From ???@??? Mon Sep 01 13:25:31 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 09:52:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5Zig-0006hy-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:52:54 -0700 X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:49:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: newbie question Resent-Message-ID: <"Lmxz5.A.dFG.CIvC0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/387 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:52:54 -0700 X-UIDL: e5ce1cfc5c6768ea31b9f81f64370207 Hi, I am a guitarist and keyboard player who, while not yet skilled in the arts of looping, is always interested in new techniques and ways of making music. I have been playing with a Boss gx-700 (max 2seconds delay) but it obviously lacks the control necessary for the finer art of looping. Therefore I have been looking at the Echoplex and JamMan as possible purchases. I have found a person selling an Echoplex Digital (not the Pro) - can this machine be used in the same manner at the Pro model - what are the significant differences between the two ? I haven't been able to find this info. on the 'Net but I would bet that someone on this list has the 'skinny'. many thanks Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://www.engin.umich.edu/class/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Mon Sep 01 13:25:31 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 13:15:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5ct3-0006sG-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:15:49 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:13:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: newbie question Resent-Message-ID: <"tKHa5.A.6PG.nGyC0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/388 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:15:49 -0700 X-UIDL: c92706c2508335abffb38c8c14d06153 Welcome Darcy! >I have found a person selling an Echoplex Digital (not the Pro) does not exist, ask the person! - can this >machine be used in the same manner at the Pro model - what are the >significant differences between the two ? There only are the analog Echoplexes of the seventies and the digital pro (which seem to be rare, too right now, so grab it... :-) Matthias From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 00:58:44 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 22:31:29 1997 Received: from mail.exapps.com [209.48.133.7] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5lYl-0003yF-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:31:27 -0700 Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2092E7@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Kim Flint Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: A Looper's Delight milestone Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:33:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: aa8d879bfc6ec6da3f44b3ab4eeaffa2 Thank you for creating this nice place to be! david > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 4:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: A Looper's Delight milestone > > Sometime in the past week, the Looper's Delight website had it's > 50,000th > hit of the year. Not bad for a weird little niche! > > thanks to everyone who's helped make it a nice place to go! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 00:58:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 22:35:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5lcW-0004HO-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:35:20 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2092E7@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Kim Flint Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: A Looper's Delight milestone Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:33:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"n2flXD.A.BxD.xS6C0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/389 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:35:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 28a59a5d60ef1553651a9a144cc5f1d2 Thank you for creating this nice place to be! david > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 4:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: A Looper's Delight milestone > > Sometime in the past week, the Looper's Delight website had it's > 50,000th > hit of the year. Not bad for a weird little niche! > > thanks to everyone who's helped make it a nice place to go! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 00:58:46 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 22:37:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5leE-0004QT-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:37:06 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2092E8@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Brian.Thomson@prudential.co.uk Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Korg DL8000R Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:35:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Q3Fgf.A.D6D.TV6C0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/390 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:37:06 -0700 X-UIDL: a7c15e91f352f2d35903289f98c191e1 This sounds like a fun new toy. Anyone see a price on this in the USA? David > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian.Thomson@prudential.co.uk > [SMTP:Brian.Thomson@prudential.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 2:18 PM > To: - (052)Loopers-Delight(a)annihilist.com > Subject: More Gear Talk: Korg DL8000R > > Came across this one in my travels - haven't seen any mention of it on > this > list. Full details are at http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm but here > are some > highlights: > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:04:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD4N-0007Ss-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:03:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970901230814.007a84c0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 23:08:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: About looping technique... In-Reply-To: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F63C@mail.exapps.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"J-WOM.A.RwF.c4fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4726 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:03:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 434ee1826554342fe7214c600b832865 Wonderful suggestions! I often tell my students to "play like a child" so they don't think about what they think they should do or have to do. Wonderful!!! smiles, Corynne At 09:40 AM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >At the risk of stating the obvious, I've found that a few things can help my >looping. > >1. Be relaxed >2. Mistakes can be doors into the unexpected, go through some of them >and see what you find. >3. Try having a strategy or purpose to each moment >4. Conversely, don't evaluate or think too much, let stuff flow. You >can evaluate it all later. >5. Get familiar with your gear and what sounds you can evoke. >6. Do it regularly. One month of looping 2-hours a day will do more >for your looping than anything else. >7. When you get familiar with what you're able to do, try looping in >the context of other musicians. That's a whole other skill. >8. Try recording what you do, you'll see similarities from piece to >piece. This could be your style. Or, you could notice what you're NOT >doing. Gives you a choice to change, either way. >9. Have some fun with looping at least some of the time. Keep the >child in you alive if you can. > >Have fun. >David > > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:12 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:04:51 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD59-0007Zv-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:43 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD54-0004x9-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:38 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD4v-0007Xk-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970901231941.007c5140@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 23:19:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Phenomenon In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980324121937.276f5eba@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <19980324015048.17548.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KCy3EC.A.yyF.r4fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4728 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d2a47b89f9cc5ec485bf1ff4706de35 looping looping looping looping looping looping looping... s so sou soun sound sounds soundsc soundsca soundscap soundscapi soundscapin soundscaping... smiles, Corynne At 12:19 PM 3/24/98, you wrote: >John and Diane asked: >>Who would care to take a shot? Compare looping with soundscaping. >>Differences & similarities. > >Looping is what we all do around here. >Soundscaping is what Robert Fripp does when he's looping. >Aside from the name change, I don't percieve any major difference. > >> What's the difference technique, gear, attitude or creativity? > >Now that, my friend, is dangerous ground around here! > >>I haven't looped yet but do play space with series of delays and analog >>effects. I'm of the mind of attitude and style. What do you think? > >If you've played with a series of delays, and had that feedback knob turned >up long enough to play back over, you've looped. Looping, to me, means >using a delay to enable you to play more than one sound at once, live. >It's easy to get precious about things beyond that. As far as I'm >concerned Eric Johnson is looping on the first track of Tones, and he's >just using a 1/2 second delay pedal with a "hold" switch. > >The Reverend said: >>And does being an "experimental guitarist" mean >>that you also don't practice your double-stops >>and hammer-ons? :-) > >Yeah, but we do get to practice hitting the strings with hammers, fruit or >marital aids. > >Michael > > > > From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 06:51:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5tMS-0001Q6-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:51:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:26:45 +0400 Message-ID: <00000ABD.@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Vocoder Recordings -Zepplin? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"DdOJaC.A.WFB.6iBD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/396 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:51:16 -0700 X-UIDL: d5064d8109dac90a8478e6a730727fc0 There are samples of the PAIA vocoder at www.hyperreal.org/music/machines. I recently assembled the kit but I did not tested it extensively; the first and only time I put it to work I got a lot of RF interference (real plague in S.Paulo). Please inform your results with the unit. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: Vocoder Recordings -Zepplin? Autor: PainPete@aol.com na INTERNET Data: 02/09/1900 09:02 There's a mometary use of an effect on Robert Plant's voice on the song "No Quarter" from the "Houses of the Holy" album, at the end of the line "The Winds of Thor are Blowing Cold" right where we says "Cold". Sound like a vocoder with delay. I've never been sure. Comparisons to Spinal Tap aside, what do the rest of you think? Is this a vocoder or something else? (I remain undecided myself). In a message dated 97-09-02 07:47:03 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Vocoder Recordings Date: 97-09-02 07:47:03 EDT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mark: >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? It's all over Mike Oldfield's "QE2" album, and Laurie Anderson's "Big Science". But of course, you should have these albums anyway... :) Michael /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes | Tel:0141 330 5979 | Fax: 0141 330 4907 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |Bioelectronics, Rankine Bldg, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/groups/bio/Electrokinetics/main.html | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/ >> From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:14 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:05:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD5K-0007bv-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970902000018.007ae9b0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 00:00:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0z9X0B.A.C0F.y4fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4729 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 5fb193c578130fd423b0a0e051caa898 I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but since we're decideing to take issue with statements, here goes... As an instructor, I would say that it's not necessarily true that a player of limited skills will most'likely sound worse than one who is "proficient"... smiles, Corynne At 01:44 PM 3/25/98 +1000, you wrote: >I am often suspicious of statements like the one below. > >Kim Flint wrote: > judgement criteria > > are. > > the weekend warrior > disposable income to buy > and no particular > <"guy-with-small-penis-and-really-fast-sports-car" >syndrome. > > skills seem quite able to > ones that usually end > time I saw Max Roach > auditorium full of > half. > > gear. > > <(although I still think you should buy two echoplexes >:-) ) > >I don't understand the purpose of such generalised public statements. >Almost everybody, through life experience, has an intuitive >understanding of the stereotypes outlined, >and most on this list have heard the arguments for "gear" vs "purist" >approaches. > >Perhaps it is a pattern, that you are referring too, Kim, that you >observe. > >My response to your judgement criteria is this: > >Anything that produces sonic energy is a musical instrument. >Some are more "complicated" than others. >All have characteristics which are open to interpretation and >exploitation. >Some are more expensive than others, often in proportion with their >"complexity" >Complicated instruments necessarily take longer to master than simple >ones. >Anyone who has only a base level of mastery on an instrument is more >likely to sound "worse" >than someone who has a high mastery. >Additionally, what the musician visualizes or wishes to play, how they >vitalize that, >and how the audient translates it, all influence sounding "worse" in >relation to something else. >And for there to be a "worse" there has to be something "better". > > >And it's OK if you're intent, Kim, was nothing more than an exercise in >flippancy. >Because that is entertaining as well. > >So, now that I have said nothing, I will say something: > >Music toys should not be prejudiced for the reason that someone else >uses them badly. >In, fact, you would think it is the motivation for doing it well. > >It is so easy to "just get along" with all musical instruments of all >race, colour, material and delay memory if you just break down the >walls. (Sob) > > >AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ELSE > >Does any other loopers out there feel that the arrival of more >expressive control devices is overdue? >If you think about it, the volume pedal is a very simple thing. >Can't we do better? > >Instead of being able to control one parameter with one appendage, we >should be able to achieve a higher resolution. >Like, the flexion of each joint, say? >Or maybe contraction of muscles. > >The most promising thing I have seen to date is the Ribbon controllers >and scratch pads, or the Korg wavedrum. > >The "mastery" of these complicated electronic toys will be assisted, I >think, through better means of control. > >So, let's hear some weird ideas, eh? > >Jamie the designer >jlack@auran.com > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:11 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:04:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD4Z-0007UJ-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970902002459.007dd4f0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 00:24:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Ambient loops? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980325190326.006fd0f0@mail.txdirect.net> References: <19980325234827899.AAA185@modem16.dinonet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yZFAuB.A.xxF.l4fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4727 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:07 -0800 X-UIDL: a29630dc2d956a534de0c15fcb72d085 I'm primarily a guitarist and I love and perform ambient loops... smiles, Corynne At 07:03 PM 3/25/98 -0600, you wrote: >I know this is a rather sily question, as a lot of the people here are into >(seemingly anyway) more guitar-based loopage, but how many fans/creators of >more ambient-style loops (or even Throbbing Gristle style material) are >lurking out there? Very curious..... > >DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: >http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ > > > > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:13 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:04:57 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD5E-0007aw-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:48 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD5C-0004xN-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD50-0007YU-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970902005157.007b8dc0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 00:51:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Birds in our trees In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980328123008.006a75cc@mail.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1o3mR.A.s1F.74fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4730 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 47744e23ae24a85597409b0c2f92df17 Great msg, I was attending a Music Craft seminar a while back and while we were playing some music, I and a few others of us heard a few crickets who were quite definately chirping in time with us! Go figure... smiles and chirps, Corynne At 12:30 PM 3/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >I woke up this scintillatin' morning out of terms with my stomach and >cranium, due to the once happy embrace of last night's shindig. I grabbed >a grapefruit and went out to our back patio which overlooks trees, and >terraces leading down to a creek (amusingly we own the river bed). > >I sat, started eating and then I noticed the birds were looping. There >were about four of them doing it. One bird had a particular blu blu blu >and then there would be a quarter note rest, then other birds came in for >an answering measure, sometimes two. Then some birds would just come in on >top of the first, but the basic rhythm was maintained. It was strikingly >like a dance and it sounded fantastic(; > >By course, I thought I'd better tape this, so I finished my grapefruit, ran >inside, got my portable tape recorder, and went ran back outside. They had >stopped. ): On the other side of our property the neighbors had once again >started arguing in loud voices. This noise I also contemplated taping, but >I don't think they'd be too happy to see me. > >Really it was all about the birds. Has anyone else had this experience to >such a degree where the birds were interacting in this way? I mean these >birds actually had it down. I was almost convinced that Dead Can Dance or >Loop Guru was around. (; > >Do birds loop without knowing? Can it be said a human loops as a human's >heart beats? Or is the heart, moreover, really the mind interpretating >what we desire to hear, the heart just being a direct symbol of pulsing >life? How does one relate to these physiological/mental needs? I can see >I'm going to have to get books on bird social structures. (; > >One last question or two, does anybody here know of someone who has done >something completely with birds, animals, samples environmental that was >percussive as these birds were, and last has here anybody used bird calls >and why? Was it for a particualar mood, for example. > >kick some skillet > says I makin eggs & 'jacks > (grapefruit weren't enough (; ) >Mjh > > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 03:01:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5pmF-0004MM-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 03:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCB765.7E5F83A0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Vocoder Recordings Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:00:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pbDOSC.A.E9D.bN-C0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/391 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 03:01:39 -0700 X-UIDL: baa2421f87458a2a537b2a6af42880dd I've wanted to incorporate a vocoder in my looping rig for a long time. Several years ago, I bought a Paia Vocoder Kit, but never had the time to assemble it. Recently, I contacted the local high school electronics teacher about having a student build it for me. I described a vocoder as an electronic device that lets an instrument "talk," but I'd like to provide him with a few sample recordings that feature a vocoder. So far, I've only been able to find Wendy Carlos' "Analog and Digital Synthesis" CD that she put out about 10 years ago. She demonstrates a vocoder with several examples of classical music. Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 04:47:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5rQY-0006wB-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:47:22 -0700 Message-Id: <2942.199709021144@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:44:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"D3-Y2.A.XYG.Vx_C0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/392 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:47:22 -0700 X-UIDL: c12eb3f64a527dc5d6d24ce2f4458bfe Mark: >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? It's all over Mike Oldfield's "QE2" album, and Laurie Anderson's "Big Science". But of course, you should have these albums anyway... :) Michael /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes | Tel:0141 330 5979 | Fax: 0141 330 4907 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |Bioelectronics, Rankine Bldg, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/groups/bio/Electrokinetics/main.html | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/ From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 05:13:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5rpW-0007ij-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCB777.ED59AE40@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:12:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VhEI6.A.TGH.BJAD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/393 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:13:10 -0700 X-UIDL: cda23b38101d234fba11f45639502fa9 Thanks, Michael. I'd forgotten about these. I have Big Science. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD[SMTP:pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 7:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings Mark: >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? It's all over Mike Oldfield's "QE2" album, and Laurie Anderson's "Big Science". But of course, you should have these albums anyway... :) Michael /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes | Tel:0141 330 5979 | Fax: 0141 330 4907 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |Bioelectronics, Rankine Bldg, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/groups/bio/Electrokinetics/main.html | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/ From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:44 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 05:26:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5s2i-0000ae-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:26:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:23:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Effects Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"g61WWC.A.0Y.tVAD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/394 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:26:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 3004cef505ca3d29008227b7e9ae1006 I just need a little advice... Can someone just explain me the all differences between all the version of the H3000 eventide, and of the H4000 (or GTR4000, or anything...) Thank you for your concern... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:45 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 06:09:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5sha-0001ts-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:09:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:02:55 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <970902090255_1682788559@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings -Zepplin? Resent-Message-ID: <"7BgbKD.A.uiB.86AD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/395 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:09:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 57fa4cd1b441e6f8ca4cbc723ac8675d There's a mometary use of an effect on Robert Plant's voice on the song "No Quarter" from the "Houses of the Holy" album, at the end of the line "The Winds of Thor are Blowing Cold" right where we says "Cold". Sound like a vocoder with delay. I've never been sure. Comparisons to Spinal Tap aside, what do the rest of you think? Is this a vocoder or something else? (I remain undecided myself). In a message dated 97-09-02 07:47:03 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Vocoder Recordings Date: 97-09-02 07:47:03 EDT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mark: >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? It's all over Mike Oldfield's "QE2" album, and Laurie Anderson's "Big Science". But of course, you should have these albums anyway... :) Michael /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes | Tel:0141 330 5979 | Fax: 0141 330 4907 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |Bioelectronics, Rankine Bldg, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/groups/bio/Electrokinetics/main.html | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/ >> From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 07:47:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5uFC-0004Fv-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: <340C1D57.BAA7033C@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:06:15 +0200 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCB765.7E5F83A0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3EoUW.A.NvD.jYCD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/398 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:47:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 95c922be63d63988091964a19ad98051 Beatiful vocoder lines can be found in a lot of recordings by Joe Zawinul I just scanned "The Immigrants" by The Zawinul Syndicate (CBS) and theres vocoder almost in all tunes from very subtle backgrounds to lead melodies Beatiful music Claude From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 08:13:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5udi-0005f8-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <340C2AE9.FEC@interactive.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:04:09 -0400 From: Jonathan Brainin Reply-To: see@onyx.interactive.net, my@onyx.interactive.net, signature@onyx.interactive.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Effects References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1G3gNB.A.54E.juCD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/399 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:13:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 71cdc895dd64d7115e021e889f49144c Olivier Malhomme wrote: > > I just need a little advice... > Can someone just explain me the all differences between all the version of > the H3000 eventide, and of the H4000 (or GTR4000, or anything...) > Thank you for your concern... > > Olivier Malhomme The Eventide web site, http://www.eventide.com/profaud/harm.htm, will provide all the info you could possibly want. If you need to know more after checking out the website, email me privately and I'll be happy to try and help. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 07:09:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5tdx-0002Jg-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:09:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9709021409.AA09480@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:05:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: Jamman Upgrade To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"pgh7gB.A.Z8B.30BD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/397 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:09:21 -0700 X-UIDL: d02f50cdc18336345e70150099a989c2 I submitted a proposal to Lexicon management about a month ago for licensing the code but have not gotten a response. I just got back from vacation and intend to push the issue with them pretty hard. Sorry about the lack of information but I didn't want to clog Loopers-Delight with vapor. When I get any solid info (which should be soon), I'll post it. Bob Sellon Stec/Lexicon ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Jamman Upgrade ---------------------------------------------------- Has anybody heard the latest on the Jamman EPROM upgrade? Is it still happening? Mike From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 23:00:10 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 20:04:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x65kA-0006o9-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:04:34 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:22:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Jam man @ Rogue auction Resent-Message-ID: <"JSf-a.A.NCG.9JND0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/400 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:04:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 6c1bcfc274da64b20ae1e2e41135eb36 This month's on line auction at Rogue Music in NY City has a Jam Man up for grabs. Now don't go crazy boys and girls. You can access the auction at: >This month the auction starts on Wednesday, September >3 and runs until 4 PM Friday, September 12. You can keep up on the action >by checking our web site at http://www.roguemusic.com Have fun! Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 23:00:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 22:58:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x68S9-0002KU-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:58:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:53:54 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709030154_MC2-1EF2-3236@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"FAG2M.A.DAC.CvPD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/401 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:58:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 0d88397df53b7ed5fc84e880c64adc4e Mark writes, >I've wanted to incorporate a vocoder in my looping rig for a long time. Several years ago, I bought a Paia Vocoder Kit, but never had the time to assemble it.< My Boss SE-70 has a vocoder preset. I haven't used it much but it works fine. The SE-70 is a wonderful machine, the central part of my gear together with the loop. >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? Brian Eno sings through a vocoder on a very nice piece on the Passengers CD. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Wed Sep 03 09:56:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 23:57:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x69Nh-00057J-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:57:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:52:50 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings In-Reply-To: <199709030154_MC2-1EF2-3236@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pLL2AC.A.kmE.JmQD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/402 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:57:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 2f37b4a6a8347480cc28f64bb6d413e0 it seems that ALL hiphop songs on the radio these days incorporate a vocoder harmony vocal in the background - or at least some heavy samples of it. anybody used the new digitech talker? it's on their wwwsite and seems pretty nifty. ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth ** From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 05:50:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJexg-0004m6-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:50:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970903062500.007b3960@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 06:25:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Victor Wooten loops In-Reply-To: <19980329233937.12359.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"X60qn.A.6GE.1J6H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4753 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:50:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 955c0d18031ed1828afa64574f9a58c5 Hey there, Figures, I work at a music store and never know who's in the area until they've already played... Can ya tell me more about the shows by e-mailing me personally? Have a wonderful day... smiles, Corynne At 03:39 PM 3/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >I just saw Victor Wooten (bassist with Bela Fleck and Flecktones) >playing solo at a record store in Boulder. He mentioned that he does >loops now. I asked what he used and he said he has a Jamman and an >Echoplex DP. I mentioned this mailing list and he asked that I let >the Gibson and Lexicon folks here know that he uses their loopers. > >Today he played solo with no loop machine. Tomorrow, he will play at >the Fox Theater in Boulder using loops, and a drummer. I recorded his >solo playing today, and plan to record the duo at the Fox tomorrow. > >Victor was very friendly, and upbeat, encouraging the small crowd to >ask questions. His playing today involved playing bass lines, topped >with fretted melodies or chords, both played with either harmonics or >finger tapping using his right hand. Often the bass lines were done >with hammering on, so his right hand was free to play the melody or >chords. Touches of percussive popping were interspersed as well. > >Victor spoke about technique vs. musicality, stressing the importance >of listening, while playing, rather than playing using certain >technique "just because you can". >He said that this listening applies both in groups and when playing >solo, to listen to himself as the music is created. >Victor said that music is like cake. The icing is nice, when thinly >put on top, but by itself it gets old fast. The cake underneath is >the substance of the music, and can be enjoyed with or without the >icing. The playing can be simple, and still have musical value that >endures the test of time. The fanciest technique, without underlying >substance, grows tiresome quickly. >While playing he obviously took chances, occasionally making a mistake >at the extremes, then recovering with grace and sometimes humor. He >made his basses sing. > >bret >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 06:26:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJfWE-00011o-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:26:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970903072446.007b58d0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 07:24:46 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: looping and improv... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mpJfMD.A.db.dq6H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4755 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:26:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 0aefdbf2049c2a6f62add97f65e14cfb Laurie, I really liked your last post concerning looping and improv. I may not be completely clear on the question you were answering as I was suffering from really annoying insomnia when I read it, but I loved your answer... I feel the same way about doing what's called for at the time in the context of where the focus of a particular piece of music is going at the time. Yawn!, let's try that again... I view my equiptment as instruments like my guitar or my voice I think the gear can be as much an improvisational tool as my other instruments or my heart or my mind... etc. So I guess the "gear" could be as much a focus as the "music" if it needed to be. As far as I understand the question about looping vs. improv, I would have to say that I think looping runs the gambit of expression and style as much as any other type of music does. Some types are more regemented while others are more free-form. When I loop, it's like what ever is comming out as the music and myself can two separate entities. I give the music an idea where to go and in turn, it gives me back a bunch of ideas where to go and on and on. Even when I establish a basic idea, form or "soundscape" in my head first, this can still happen. The only times I find this happening considerably less, is when an idea hits me and says "this is the one, this is what you play..." Even at these times though, life has the final words, whatever happens, happens... That's the fun of it! Oh, I also love the idea of the "one-chick band", way cool!!! it's way fun and gets ya noticed when ya make all these wierd sounds that noone's heard before... One other cool thing is that creative differences are not allowed! ha ha ha Anyway, I hope this whole thing has made sense, as I'm pretty tired... Probably not the best time to send e-mails... smiles, Corynne From ???@??? Wed Sep 03 21:46:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 3 11:10:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6Jsp-0002q2-00; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:10:27 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199709030154_MC2-1EF2-3236@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:43:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"gpFz1C.A.-GC.jZaD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/403 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:10:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 72c638024f890c139ee3cd00ce946ba3 At 11:52 PM -0700 9/2/97, Dan Howarth wrote: >it seems that ALL hiphop songs on the radio these days incorporate a >vocoder harmony vocal in the background - or at least some heavy samples >of it. Yeah, I was going to say, this whole thing was about trying to help some high school students know what a vocoder is by pointing out examples in music they are familiar with. That probably wouldn't include Joe Zawinul and Brian Eno! Or Led Zeppelin. You'd have better luck picking some Dr. Dre influenced tune off of MTV. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 03 21:46:21 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 3 11:18:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6K0g-0003Vh-00; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:18:34 -0700 Message-ID: <04A62A6EE022D111B10700805FE24D9D04BB60@SERVER1> From: "Lambert, Georges" To: 'Loopers-Delight' Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:13:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"c7TLAC.A.8-C.nkaD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/404 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:18:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 0b80fc10614c730e84d510127a992d35 For Vocoder used in songs you can listen to: Alan Parson Project's song "The raven". Styx's song Mr Roboto, Kraftwerk's Autobahn and Men Machine album. Also of interest is Peter Frampton's song "Do you feel like we do", with the "Mouth-Box" effect where the mouth is used to modulate the envelope and the tone (like a wah-wah) of the guitar, old but pretty cool. From ???@??? Wed Sep 03 21:46:23 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 3 18:18:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6QYy-0002vk-00; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:18:24 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970904011412.0066e1d4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:14:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"G0JhyC.A.SaC.ysgD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/405 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:18:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 395680c6dabb2f3cb9fc6135aeaaaa36 I'm a looper neonate (I have heard-but do not own or use looping technology). I'm looking into using a looping tool to spice up my solo gigs (restaurants, primarily, playing acoustic fingerstyle/vocal with spasmodic coughs of sequencer and MIDI guitar). Thanks for sharing all the information I've seen so far! Questions: 1. Is PC looping technology feasible for live work yet? Including foot controllers? 2. If yes, how does it compare with the Boomerang, Echoplex, and JamMan? I've looked at the comparisons of Echoplex and JamMan, visited the Boomerang site, but the only looping device I've heard live is a Boss GT-5. I'm leaning toward the Boomerang because of the cost and the length of sampling, but I'm still trying to gather information about its' sound quality, given the lower sampling rate. 3. Any recommended vendors for finding an Echoplex (or other good looper) with foot controller at least cost? Thanks for any suggestions, and again for providing the forum for information sharing! Grover From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 19:17:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 11:30:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6gft-0007QW-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:30:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199709041744.KAA30090@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 12:47:11 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"FCI8jB.A.FeG.k0vD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/410 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:30:37 -0700 X-UIDL: a45a0683066ac7f802604623a8171437 >"the diary of Horace Wimp" by ELO (on "out of the blue " I think )has a >nice prominent vocoded rhythm to it as well. Actually on "Discovery", although "Mr. Blue Sky" does have a vocoder and is on "Out of the Blue". There's also an instrumental track on OOTB, called "The Whale" (I think) which has vocoder. Now that I think of it, I think "Sweet Talking Woman" also has the magic effect. Travis From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 10:10:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 06:13:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6bj4-0001u9-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:13:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:09:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gorton@g.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: gorton@umich.edu (Russell Gorton) Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings Cc: rhayader@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: <"mx3kzD.A.SjB.rLrD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/406 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:13:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 5119adabce0ae70fffa3dff1e3701918 A popular dance/club/DJ tune right now features the LOOPED sample of a heavily-vocoded (<--is this a word?) voice chanting "around the world around the world around the world around the world" over some thumpy back beat and what sounds like a sample of the (classic late-1970's) funk bass riff to Michael Jackson's "Can't Stop Till You Get Enough". The vocoder loop is itself quite hypnotic, being the same approx. 3.5 seconds of noise again and again, no feedback, no modulation, just drilling right into your skull. Truly a "sample and hold." Concur with M. Peters: The Boss SE-70 (and the SE-50, both 1/2-rack multi-effects units out of production now) featured a Vocoder preset that is REALLY cool. Other vocoder instances (that this guitar-player-dominant list may be familiar with)... -the "prayer" part of "Sheep" from Pink Floyd's _Animals_ album. -Phil Collins' "In The Air Tonight": "Well I REMEMBER..." -The comedy sketch character "Pimp Bot" on NBC TV's "Late Night With Conan O'Brien" here in the U.S. is an actor dressed as a 1950's-style Lost In Space robot wearing 1970's blaxploitation-film hustler clothing, speaking in jive cadences through a thick vocoder effect. --Russell "attention all robots...report to the dance floor" From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 10:10:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 07:36:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6d1k-0004SU-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:36:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:32:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: rhayader@juno.com Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nVCx6D.A.c2D.5ZsD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/407 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:36:56 -0700 X-UIDL: b90ab6b14b7361069e4b635234b58341 On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Russell Gorton wrote: > A popular dance/club/DJ tune right now features the LOOPED sample of a > heavily-vocoded (<--is this a word?) voice chanting > "around the world around the world around the world around the world" The band is Daft Punk You can hear some of the best vocoding on Neil Young's Trans album, entire songs are done through a vocoder. I use the SE50, it's an okay vocoder but not nearly as cool as the Paia that I used to use, if the Paia also did reverb, delay, pitch shifting, etc., I would've kept it:) Does anyone on the list use a Korg SDD-2000 for looping fun? I'm anxiously awaiting delivery on one. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 10:10:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 08:06:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6dTl-0006cE-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:05:53 -0700 Message-ID: <340ECD38.5513@lucent.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:01:12 +0100 From: any authorised user Reply-To: robin.bussell@lucent.com Organization: lucent technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p95RRB.A.Y3F.90sD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/408 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:05:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 7b6bf4a7956e3e37dbb94a1a269876e7 > -the "prayer" part of "Sheep" from Pink Floyd's _Animals_ album. That album also has a nice instance of the use of a sample and hold function on the analyser outputs to merge a vocal syllable at the end of a line into a saxaphone solo wish I could remember the line, think the word was "screeeeaaaaaaaammmmmmmm....." There's also a dog barking into a vocoder in the background of one track as well, hmmm.. time to have another listen methinks.. it's been too long, thanks for the reminder :-) "the diary of Horace Wimp" by ELO (on "out of the blue " I think )has a nice prominent vocoded rhythm to it as well. Cheers, Robin From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 10:53:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 10:42:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6fux-0003ZE-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:42:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings In-Reply-To: <340ECD38.5513@lucent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qvt0Y.A.DwC.IGvD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/409 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:42:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 662549c8348417ff9579e21926e4fcf6 The new Genesis album (which is quite good) has one on the track "Alien Afternoon". There's also the Tangerine Dream album _Cyclone_ -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Sep 05 09:47:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 21:03:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6pcb-0007m6-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:03:49 -0700 From: "Claude Lassonde" To: Subject: I want to buy an Echoplex... Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:57:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1338704705-28299897@psbgm.qc.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <"4awQDC.A.88G.vN4D0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/411 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:03:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 3e0a0cecea57d7a5ee3c612debb96839 I want to buy an Echoplex... Any resellers around? Here in Canada in the middle of nowhere there is no such device. I would buy new or used. All suggestions welcomed. send E-Mail to : isagil@cam.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 05 09:47:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 5 02:41:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6ut3-0006EN-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:41:09 -0700 X-From_:PMimlitsch@aol.com Fri Sep 05 02:41:07 1997 Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com [198.81.11.38] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6ut0-0006Bu-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:41:06 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA20909; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 05:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Old-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 05:39:36 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970905053934_-566510964@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: stickwire-l@netcom.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tosmos@voicenet.com Subject: Tagfest X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:41:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 838aefe346bf6fa7701d6ff6a36b7f1a "Invasion of Time", the improvisational Stick duo of Paul Mimlitsch and Jim Speer, will be appearing at Tagfest (Trenton Avant Garde festival of the arts) on Sat, Sept. 5. at Mill Hill Park, Trenton N.J. We're scheduled for 6.30 in the amphitheatre. From ???@??? Fri Sep 05 09:47:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 5 04:50:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6wuc-0002Eh-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 04:50:54 -0700 Message-ID: <19970905124546.10374@d1-2517d.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:45:46 +0100 From: babs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings References: <340ECD38.5513@lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61e In-Reply-To: ; from Adam Levin on Sep 09, 1997 at 01:35:18PM Resent-Message-ID: <"JQrDnC.A.08B.2F_D0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/412 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 04:50:54 -0700 X-UIDL: e7d227e95b070f7cdbd238990860027c The Zoom Studio 1204 and the new Studio 1201 have Vocoding programs , the review I read seemed to have a few grumbles but waved them due to the unit's cost. Has anyone tried the effect on either? Babs There is no sin except stupidity - Oscar Wilde From ???@??? Fri Sep 05 09:47:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 5 09:45:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x71W1-0004rg-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:45:49 -0700 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:45:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Echoplex 4 sale! Resent-Message-ID: <"kf_Z4C.A.cIE.dXDE0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/413 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:45:49 -0700 X-UIDL: ca49ca43aeaea547e122a2c1be71b3b0 DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME! DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Date: 4 Sep 1997 23:29:23 GMT From: neumann58@aol.com (Neumann58) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth Perfect Condition, hardly ever used; includes remote footswitch. $300 From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:11 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 18:29:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7seK-0001VP-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:29:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199709080126.UAA28185@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: F.S. SE-50&Vortex Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:08:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NS4On.A.TMB.rQ1E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/417 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:29:56 -0700 X-UIDL: adee58396aa325770c2dc8597ed8e5f0 Lexicon Vortex: mint condition,little use.Manual,footswitch,cord,wall wart.All as new,original packing. $250 +shipping. Price FIRM. Boss SE-50:excellent condition,manual,wall wart. $200 Price FIRM LooseBruce From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:08 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 16:12:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7qVU-0003MG-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:12:40 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970907160435.009ad490@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:04:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Broken LD Web Link In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NYhH8C.A.04C.DQzE0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/414 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:12:40 -0700 X-UIDL: ac9fdd23f724e355fca63964b87eafdb Anybody know what the new address for Andy Butler's Vortex Page is? http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm comes back as unknown. Also, http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html has a link to "Todd Madson's Vortex Page." That one comes back with no data. From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:09 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 16:34:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7qqy-0004R8-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3413332A.768310F2@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 01:05:14 +0200 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Who's this looper on Swiss TV ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WefMR.A.E9D.ulzE0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/415 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:34:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 1a8722a2d40721f4add34c76c047f6bb I just saw a 15 minute clip in on the SF1 Channel about a Swiss Dble Bass looper who's name is Mitch Gerber. beside the interwiew where he explained the tools and inspiration he played two pieces out of his very soon to be released CD.Beatiful... Has anybody some more info's, is he online with us , I'd like to contact him. Yo de ly ho de lo Claude From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:09 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 17:02:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7rHI-0005YL-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:02:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:58:04 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970907195627_1556040548@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: TAGfest Resent-Message-ID: <"sEUuqC.A.GCF.L_zE0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/416 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:02:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 0c587438ca0c56bd83de590d0b7c0078 Had a real enjoyable time at TAGfest (Trenton Avant Garde Festival), both as a performer (in the duo "Invasion of Time" w/fellow Stick player/Loopist Jim Speer) and listener. A couple of observations: 1) Not one of the 5 (there may have been others that I missed in my wanderings) other musicians utilizing a looping device had heard of "Looper's Delight" or the mail list-a situation I corrected which should result in some more "signers on". 2) Of the 5 other loopers there, one (synthesist Mike Hopkins) was using a Mac 6400 running MOTU's Digital Performer to control sequences and loops. The others ("Ram Umbus"'s tuba player/vocalist and their guitarist, "N.C.17"'s guitarist and one other bands'-name forgotten- guitarist) all utilized the Diditech PDS 8000 pedal. Experimental guitarist Edward Chang (who w/partner Mokoto Shimizu make up "N.C.17") ran his PDS 8000 into a DODfx94 then into a Boss reverb/delay (2 sec.) pedal. Results? Real nice, both from a sonic standpoint as well as from an educational standpoint. I recently purchased a used PDS8000, mainly for nostalgic reasons-I got rid of mine in the upgrade (Jman) trail, and am inspired to try new things with this supposed "old technology". For the record Jim and I both used Jammen (I also used a DigiRDS8000) for our loopage. - Paul From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:12 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 19:34:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7ter-0004bY-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:34:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199709080230.TAA24075@usr09.primenet.com> Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: An Invitation to Listen and Perhaps Reflect Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:30:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XZH1wB.A.TEE.wM2E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/418 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:34:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 820c8db2959f45d12a54b0472b4b2b08 Greetings.. On the heels of the past week, we've had quite a lot of looking back over several peoples' lives and how they may have affected us. In this way, but with a more future tense, I've composed an ambient piece dedicated to Princess Diana, entitled "4D", and posted it at my EarthLight Studios site. It will be made available at no charge to sanctioned charity events and compilations, if I am contacted by those interested. I composed it after the Minute of Silence, and was more concerned with her legacy to us in public service to our fellow man, than the grief following her more-than-untimely passing. I hope you get the same from the song, but one never knows... Also, I have two other RealAudio songs online there, as well as The Loop Of The Week, an ambient loop for on- and off-line listening on your computer (or sound system, if so connected). Do drop in and let me know what you think. Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:14 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 20:03:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7u7K-0006CV-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:03:58 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:58:05 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex for Sale? To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199709072258_MC2-1F83-EE9B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"zfWnnD.A.zgF.Po2E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/419 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:03:58 -0700 X-UIDL: e7dc810e890d7714c6dcada33b277f73 Loopers: I'm new to this list, (though not to pre digital looping). I'm searching hard for a couple of Oberheim Echoplexs. Anyone there know of any for sale? Thanks in Advance, Paul Dresher From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:14 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 20:09:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7uCd-0006fm-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:09:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:04:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <970907230155_-333002841@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: F.S. SE-50&Vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"P7gX3.A.b5F.ot2E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/420 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:09:27 -0700 X-UIDL: a7bf97cb1e2f53612515b4c52c11ae72 i will buy the vortex..how do you want to do it.....?have you heard of that internet escrow account thing ...or...suggestion/? later>>>>>Reeve From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:39:59 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 21:27:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7vQY-0002Vs-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:27:54 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970907160435.009ad490@global.california.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:23:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Broken LD Web Link Resent-Message-ID: <"bEBdID.A.GIC.r33E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/421 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:27:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 4fb8a748c705094219ca11d457d1757d >Anybody know what the new address for Andy Butler's Vortex Page is? > >http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm comes back as unknown. > >Also, http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html has a link to >"Todd Madson's Vortex Page." That one comes back with no data. Andy, Todd, care to explain what the heck happened to your web pages? I'll fix the links as soon as I know what they properly are. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 08 22:35:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 8 15:30:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8CKf-0007jU-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:30:57 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:48:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Vortexs Galore Resent-Message-ID: <"62Bls.A.bsG.EtHF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/423 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:30:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 5f95679fb10e00e66faabe7a32c76b20 For anyone interested in A Vortex, there are three of them for sale at Harmony Central today. All are priced at $250 each. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Sep 08 09:34:40 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 8 08:15:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x85XR-00066w-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:15:41 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:10:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Who's this looper on Swiss TV ? Resent-Message-ID: <"xNxp4.A.cTF.qUBF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/422 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:15:41 -0700 X-UIDL: c454ebca257a3663dd7ac5d3c7ac8f29 >I just saw a 15 minute clip in on the SF1 Channel about a Swiss Dble >Bass looper who's name is Mitch Gerber. >beside the interwiew where he explained the tools and inspiration he >played two pieces out of his very soon to be released CD.Beatiful... >Has anybody some more info's, is he online with us , I'd like to contact >him. If I remember right, he is an old LOOP delay client from Bern. But I never heard his music, thought it was rather chaotic, by the person who made the contact to him... ;-) Matthias From ???@??? Mon Sep 08 22:35:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 8 17:30:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8ECi-0001AS-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:30:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970908202029_1920293127@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: TAGfest Resent-Message-ID: <"EH2xB.A.rR.nbJF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/424 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:30:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 2603fe543e18240454fe9a478136214a Had a real enjoyable time at TAGfest (Trenton Avant Garde Festival), both as a performer (in the duo "Invasion of Time" w/fellow Stick player/Loopist Jim Speer) and listener. A couple of observations: 1) Not one of the 5 (there may have been others that I missed in my wanderings) other musicians utilizing a looping device had heard of "Looper's Delight" or the mail list-a situation I corrected which should result in some more "signers on". 2) Of the 5 other loopers there, one (synthesist Mike Hopkins) was using a Mac 6400 running MOTU's Digital Performer to control sequences and loops. The others ("Ram Umbus"'s tuba player/vocalist and their guitarist, "N.C.17"'s guitarist and one other bands'-name forgotten- guitarist) all utilized the Diditech PDS 8000 pedal. Experimental guitarist Edward Chang (who w/partner Mokoto Shimizu make up "N.C.17") ran his PDS 8000 into a DODfx94 then into a Boss reverb/delay (2 sec.) pedal. Results? Real nice, both from a sonic standpoint as well as from an educational standpoint. I recently purchased a used PDS8000, mainly for nostalgic reasons-I got rid of mine in the upgrade (Jman) trail, and am inspired to try new things with this supposed "old technology". For the record Jim and I both used Jammen (I also used a DigiRDS8000) for our loopage. - Paul From ???@??? Mon Sep 08 23:54:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 8 23:20:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8JfA-0006To-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:20:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 02:15:18 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex for Sale? To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709090215_MC2-1FA9-C87A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"8bGuvC.A.yzF.SnOF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/425 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:20:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 79501b3ebbad3f3f22d992704c4521c1 Paul Dresher wrote, >I'm searching hard for a couple of Oberheim Echoplexs. Welcome Paul. I don't have Echoplexes for you, but I'm very excited to have you here - I love your records a lot. I'd be delighted to add your personal profile to our 'loopers of the world' webpage. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 07:17:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8R6T-0003Ll-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:17:17 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCBD09.A0DE2680@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Modular Looping Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:17:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RE8SiD.A.P3C.AmVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/427 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:17:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c3fd62623a5ccf76d2612c36fce588f Hi David, Tell us how you use your VCS3. Also, which pitch to voltage convertor do you use? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Julia & Dave[SMTP:jndk@colba.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 1:00 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Modular Looping Hi, I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was just wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a controller. To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. Seeking kindred folk, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which shall be in my rack tomorrow night. From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 07:24:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8RDI-000413-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:24:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Modular Looping In-Reply-To: <199709091401.KAA09204@mail.colba.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RTVhuD.A.pVD.9rVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/428 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:24:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 1b52bef2c0596248b57101bd1dde3749 > > I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was > just > wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. For years my looping setup was primarily a Kork MonoPoly and two reel to reels. The decks are gone as is the Korg but synths are my primary instuments. I recently got a CS1x that has an abundance of realtime control and am awaiting the arrival, hopefully today, of a 4 second Korg Delay. An expressive synth is a must, knobs and realtime control and such. > I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a > Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my > sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come > to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a > controller. > > To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. As far as instumental loops go Bobby Boy is and Eno are it for me as well. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 07:29:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8RI6-0004aQ-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:29:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:24:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: FS: Dorkoder 7500 In-Reply-To: <199709091401.KAA09204@mail.colba.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aJs8h.A.dyD.ewVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/429 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:29:18 -0700 X-UIDL: a9240e1326df842afab643d91a67150c Speaking of reel to reel....would anyone be interested in buying a Dokorder 7500? It's in perfect condition (lie). Sounds great (needs work). Portable (lie). The capstan seems to be frozen but maybe someone could use this as a fixer-upper. I'd take just about any offer for it. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 23:54:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 14:23:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8Xl5-0006K6-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:23:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199709092104.OAA16152@scv1.apple.com> Subject: MIDI "mute"? Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 16:07:37 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"nPKsfD.A.EXF.3zbF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/433 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:23:39 -0700 X-UIDL: a9e75ad4c6975720581e8c2ea364dc28 I'm looking for a way to mute the output of my drum machine (an Alesis SR-16) via MIDI. Currently my Echoplex is slaved to the SR-16. Sometimes I want to mute the drum machine without decoupling it from the Echoplex, so that when I bring the drums back in, everything's still in sync. My audio mixer doesn't have channel mute, and I'm looking for a way to do this with a footswitch. Anyone have any suggestions? Travis From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 08:35:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8SKI-0001Nj-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:35:38 -0700 Message-Id: <34157972.5175@GroupZ.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:29:55 -0500 From: Richard Menger Reply-To: rmenger@groupz.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PCM 42 upgrade? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-gmQID.A.mw.EuWF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/430 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:35:38 -0700 X-UIDL: cc3f3c15378df4d3ee7ed4dae11592e3 Anyone know how to expand the memory in a Lexicon pcm42? I have 4.8 seconds now and would like as much as I can get of course...:) thanks in advance, Rich From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 07:04:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8Qu0-0002aS-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:04:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199709091401.KAA09204@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Modular Looping Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:00:45 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YFn9d.A.7HC.kYVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/426 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:04:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 570e6c051f61d9f3e0ca504c29be05b0 Hi, I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was just wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a controller. To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. Seeking kindred folk, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which shall be in my rack tomorrow night. From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 10:19:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8Tx9-0001Ys-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:51 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Modular Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"X14KV.A.8DB.SQYF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/431 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 7a8baff05d4acb4df603d553b1f557d0 >Hi, > >I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was >just >wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. > >I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a >Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my >sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come >to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a >controller. > I loop 6-string bass, a couple of ARP's, an Oberheim SEM, a yamaha VL-70 (triggered from a wind controller, I don't play it very well but it sure is fun) and various other synths through a JamMan, a Vortex and an LXP-5. Can you give me more info on the pitch-to-voltage converter you use? Is it a commercial product or custom made. I'd love to have something like that to trigger the SEM from my bass. I've tried a few pitch to MIDI converters with not a l;ot of success. >P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which >shall be in my >rack tomorrow night. You will love it. It's one of those boxes that gets deeper every time I try to figure it out. It produces sounds that I've never heard from any other FX box in 20 years of messing with this stuff. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:33:00 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 10:27:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8U4J-0002MG-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:27:15 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:25:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: TAGfest Resent-Message-ID: <"paufuB.A.MpB.pWYF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/432 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:27:15 -0700 X-UIDL: e23768e8070aa4c86be32fea7b8d50fc At 8:22 PM 9/8/97, PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: >"N.C.17"'s guitarist and one other bands'-name forgotten- guitarist) all >utilized the Diditech PDS 8000 pedal. Experimental guitarist Edward Chang >(who w/partner Mokoto Shimizu make up "N.C.17") ran his PDS 8000 into a >DODfx94 then into a Boss reverb/delay (2 sec.) pedal. Results? Real nice, >both from a sonic standpoint as well as from an educational standpoint. I I played with Ed Chang quite a bit last year when he was living in Portland, and he'll appear on our upcoming CD, currently awaiting funds and free time to finish mastering and press. He was taking a sabbatical from guitar at the time and learning clarinet, and was a pretty interesting player in a John Zorn/Evan Parker frame. We recorded a few duets with me processing/looping his clarinet that may make it onto the CD, he's a very interesting player and thinker. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 23:54:14 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 14:37:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8XyZ-00005C-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:37:35 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970909214024.0098ef64@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:40:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: MIDI "mute"? Resent-Message-ID: <"Aww7s.A.hzG.PBcF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/434 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:37:35 -0700 X-UIDL: e25f14e5fb123342439e8fc943ab5a79 How about setting up another pattern in the SR-16 with nothing in it? Switch to that pattern when you want to mute (it'll wait till the end of the current pattern if it's like the HR16.) The new pattern will play in the same tempo and still generate midi clock, even though there's nothing to actually play. Otherwise, does it respond to continuous controller volume? I never checked that on my old hr16, but it would be useful. Then you would just set a pedal to send CC 7, value 0 and it should shut up. kim At 04:07 PM 9/9/97 -0000, you wrote: >I'm looking for a way to mute the output of my drum machine (an Alesis >SR-16) via MIDI. >Currently my Echoplex is slaved to the SR-16. Sometimes I want to mute >the drum machine without decoupling it from the Echoplex, so that when I >bring the drums back in, everything's still in sync. My audio mixer >doesn't have channel mute, and I'm looking for a way to do this with a >footswitch. >Anyone have any suggestions? > >Travis > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 00:39:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8hNW-0000OU-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:39:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:34:24 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Echoplexs have been found, thanks To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709100334_MC2-1FD6-7014@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"3VjiHB.A.1J.c3kF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/435 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:39:58 -0700 X-UIDL: e7e71e8d7addbc9fc8ccd9ecf29a1c3f Dear Friends: Thanks for all the welcome notes from many of you. And because of that last post searching for Echoplexs, I've now got two! (And am already thinking about more). Michael Peters: I've not had a chance to check out the Webpage with the profiles so I'm not sure what would be involved in helping you add my profile to this list. But I really appreciate your offer and let me know what needs to happen next. Is there some informal way people introduce themselves to this list? Thanks again, Paul Dresher From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 06:42:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8n2A-0001z2-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:42:18 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 09:42:27 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"01omFB.A.NZB.9KqF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/440 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:42:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 2ca4770b0d760e340753ef1fc4c0c28c Hi Paul, welcome to the list! Would you mind elaborating a little bit more on the results of your search for Echoplexs - where you found them, cost? There seem to be a few people on the list who are also searching for plexs (and jammen, vortexs, ect.) and for a variety of reasons, these units are difficult to come by. I'd hate to see this list become an equipment trading post, there's too many good ideas and other info being tossed around here, but succinct posts re: sources for equipment may stave off a lot of individual queries to the list. I, at least, have appreciated the recent posts about stuff for sale. Maybe others disagree? ;-) phil digital loop technology is better than...peanut butter...drugs...sex, nah From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 10:22:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8qSm-0003Wd-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101649.JAA33972@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for looping Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 11:52:51 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"qJVS9C.A.kqC.yWtF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/446 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 7df43ce88c052b1100f89e9dcb675643 >While I am tempted to shell out the big-$$ on an echoplex or jamman, and >given the relative scarcity of both, and also given my neophyte status, I >am wondering whether a Digitech PDS pedal or something similar might >suffice for the moment. I understand these pedals to have the capability of >sampling and holding and they can have up to 8 seconds delay - that would >be plenty for me at the moment. Do these pedals have any other capabilities >that are useful ? Which is the most ideal for the purposes of looping ? I've got one of the 8-second pedals, and it's great. You can find them used, if you're patient, for under $150. A great starting place for looping. All the features of the JamMan and Echoplex are wonderful (I've got an echoplex and an assortment of other long delay lines), but you can easily get into serious looping without shelling out the big bucks. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 06:27:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8mnZ-0000cK-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:27:13 -0700 From: John Neilson Message-Id: <199709101320.JAA02390@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:20:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199709100334_MC2-1FD6-7014@compuserve.com> from "Paul J. Dresher" at Sep 10, 97 03:34:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XYW9xC.A.5F.T8pF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/439 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:27:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 8d88b9a38bcdeb490e5e2dcb8cbb3243 > > Dear Friends: > > Thanks for all the welcome notes from many of you. And because of that > last post searching for Echoplexs, I've now got two! (And am already > thinking about more). > Wow, I've been keeping an eye out for a little while without that kind of luck. So I guess I should be a little more upfront and announce that I, TOO, AM LOOKING FOR AN OBERHEIM ECHOPLEX, ANY LEADS APPRECIATED before Paul gets them all (insert smiley face here). Thanks, all. ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson www.mixup.com jneil@mixup.com "a site for sore ears" From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 06:59:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8nIX-000333-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:59:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 or 7.6 In-Reply-To: <199709101320.JAA02390@echonyc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"K_Pe-C.A.ZlC.mbqF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/441 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:59:13 -0700 X-UIDL: e86af8a264ae8649881588fc5c0c6641 Since it seems that this is a good place for finding stuff I thought I'd take a shot. I'm looking for a Digitech RDS8000, 7.6 or even the 6400( i think that's the number). I could pay cash or maybe trade my Korg SDD-2000 Midi Sampling Delay, goes to 4.3 seconds, I'd just like to have a bit more time, I'm so greedy. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 04:11:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8kgP-0007Dp-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:11:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101110.HAA23059@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Modular Looping Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:10:19 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f3UywD.A.snG.5-nF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/436 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:11:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 0aa44890082f0c2196b98fa0b1b1bc25 Re: Fripp & Eno, be sure to also listen to Alvin Lucier's work. He may not always use loops, but I he's right up there as well. -David K. ---------- > From: Steven Dubofsky > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: Re: Modular Looping > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 7:19 AM > > > > > I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was > > just > > wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. > > For years my looping setup was primarily a Kork MonoPoly and two reel to > reels. The decks are gone as is the Korg but synths are my primary > instuments. I recently got a CS1x that has an abundance of realtime > control and am awaiting the arrival, hopefully today, of a 4 second > Korg Delay. An expressive synth is a must, knobs and realtime control and > such. > > > > I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a > > Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my > > sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come > > to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a > > controller. > > > > To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. > > As far as instumental loops go Bobby Boy is and Eno are it for me as well. > > steve d > > > skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain > > http://www.gti.net/skullsaw > From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 04:30:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8kyt-0000VF-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:30:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101130.HAA23755@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Modular Looping Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:30:06 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vW6nXB.A.oS.URoF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/437 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:30:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 849137bbf34ff7f1ed67764e104a6b1f > >P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which > >shall be in my > >rack tomorrow night. > > You will love it. It's one of those boxes that gets deeper every time I try > to figure it out. It produces sounds that I've never heard from any other > FX box in 20 years of messing with this stuff. Hey, I originaly wanted one, but the people at Steve's Music Store had told me it did little more than delay and modulation effects. I usually never listen to salespeople's advice, but I found it odd that they weren't pushing this product on me, knowing that all I ever look for is freaky stuff. A shame that Lexicon gave up on this and the JamMan, two great devices that are sure to gain the same type of cult status as Electro- Harmonix and Mu-Tron boxes did. ( ( ( ( ( ( ) ) ) ) ) ) D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) ________________________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > > "...there will come a day when you won't have to use > gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in > your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper > type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em > together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em > together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra > ________________________________________________________ > > From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 04:43:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8lBY-0001NU-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:43:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101143.HAA24222@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Modular Looping Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:42:52 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lOJFmB.A.nEB.VdoF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/438 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:43:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c6ce4be973c2f65ac85e9cc76f309dc > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 7:17 AM > Mark Kata wrote: > Hi David, > > Tell us how you use your VCS3. Also, which pitch to voltage convertor do you use? ______________________________________________ Here goes, I currently do not own any keyboard instruments, and I sold the "Cricklewood" which I got with my VCS-3. So I rely on several sources for control. 1. EMS Pitch To Voltage Converter, driven from the insanely detuned strings of my Fender (Squier) "Precision" Bass. 2. EMS Random Voltage Generator, two staircase oscillators which give results simillar to those achieved with sample & hold, but even more random and smoother sounding. Very Sci-Fi. 3. Custom made devices such as the IC1 Electronics Velvet Touch Oscillator bank, which outputs the three basic waveforms either at LFO or audio range. this has a CV in, I use it mostly as an FM source or carrier for the Ring Mod on the VCS-3. 4. I do not currently have my JaMMan, which was upgraded to 32 secs., but I'm in the process of getting it back. 5. The Delta Lab Effectron III is used mostly for looping selected segments from the VCS, with the Random Voltage Gen. riding the CV in. Nice and Grainy. 6. Time to go, I'm giving away too many secrets, and wasting bandwidth. ;) D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:19 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 12:57:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8ssw-0001yt-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:57:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101944.MAA14094@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Vortex question Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 14:47:19 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"-MP5UD.A.LVB.epvF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/456 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:57:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 2ab08655f88e4d9d39ef0609e30d370a > >How long of a delay does the Vortex have? > > About 1.8 seconds. Travis From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 07:01:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8nKM-0003E9-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:01:06 -0700 X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:57:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for looping Resent-Message-ID: <"SYR4J.A.FtC.GdqF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/442 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:01:06 -0700 X-UIDL: aa7493ab33e1018df5d3c74d0d2054a7 While I am tempted to shell out the big-$$ on an echoplex or jamman, and given the relative scarcity of both, and also given my neophyte status, I am wondering whether a Digitech PDS pedal or something similar might suffice for the moment. I understand these pedals to have the capability of sampling and holding and they can have up to 8 seconds delay - that would be plenty for me at the moment. Do these pedals have any other capabilities that are useful ? Which is the most ideal for the purposes of looping ? thanks for any help, Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:14 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 08:07:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8oMX-0007Mo-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:07:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:01:39 -0400 (EDT) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <970910110015_792819111@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex for Sale? Resent-Message-ID: <"dSrrwC.A.hfG.QarF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/443 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:07:25 -0700 X-UIDL: b8abd03a7c7ee41fe7b4ae64a072d950 Greeting Loopersons, I've must be a little slow on the uptake here or something. A few days ago an SOS for EDP assistance was put on the list by a fellow named Paul Dresher. Paul is a former analog tape looper of some renown. I, in fact saw him perform years ago in an art museum show in Southern California that was absolutely stunning! That performance (and the few of his recordings I've been able to find) have been a great insiration to me ever since. As I remember (at that particular time) he was using a multitrack reel-to-reel system (not altogether unlike Fripp's) but with the additional feature of a bank of footpedals to operate as volume faders for each track. But, more impressive than the rig was the music itself (for which it would be an injustice for me to even begin to describe). You owe it to youselves to check this guy out. He's got a disc or two out out on the New Albion label and a few others elsewhere I believe. He's a composer who has pretty thouroughly plummed the depths of looping as a musical concept and now he's joining the ranks of us digital loopers...hmmmm. Ciao, Ted Killian From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 08:28:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8ogf-0001Qh-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:28:13 -0700 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 10:43:00 EST Encoding: 30 Text Message-Id: <9708108739.AA873915752@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech PDS8000 Resent-Message-ID: <"6x8PcD.A.Uv.FtrF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/444 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:28:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 488760aa9abf126e4103325abdae8448 I just joined this list a couple days ago and I'm finding it refreshing that there are so many interesting ideas floating around here. I wish I could hear some of the results of these discussions. Anyways, thanks to Dave T for the kind comments, too. Anyway the PDS8000, tho primitive and 'old school' is one of the most amazing units I've ever heard - it can be both organic and warm or cold and elektronik. I've dubbed it the "improv-pedal" (as opposed to the "grunge pedal") because every electronic improvisor seems to have one or at least had one, including Elliot Sharp, Zeena Parkins, No Neck Blues band, Doug Theriault, etc... My main complaint with it is that if you change the delay parameter (2/4/8 secs) or the mode(normal/trigger/sample) it takes 8 seconds for it to reset itself and basically doesn't work for that amount of time. That's why I use a DFX-94 as second unit, since it can switch from mode to mode instantaneously (tho it,too has problems, such as when you try to loop a sample, it sometimes goes into input/record mode, erasing the sample). Nonetheless, the above setup has enabled me to get just about every perverted sound my mind can come up with. Also it looks cool to be twisting knobs and slapping pedals like an animal (or so I've heard). A final note - I thought this could only have come from a fantasy dream sequence, but no it was true. I was in Baltimore and met John Berndt, electro-acoustic uber-composer, and when he saw my PDS8000, he took out this box and showed me HIS PDS8000, which looked like an evil twin. It had several additional buttons and toggle switches that he had installed himself and it was like a HOTROD from HELL. I've never heard anything like it. He tried explaining to me what they all did, but my feeble mind couldn't take it all in. Truly amazing. That guy is nuts. ed chang From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 10:01:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8q96-0001ll-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:01:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:38:43 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Echoplexs have been found, thanks To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709101238_MC2-1FED-91C4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"jYr88B.A.xDB.VDtF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/445 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:01:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 6c6a233d3ae6d60bd3954402505ceb25 Paul, >Is there some informal way people introduce themselves to this list? Write whatever you want. Do you have a homepage which covers your work and techniques? One way to really let everyone know about one's work is to add one's profile to the profile page. Check out the profile webpage and you'll see - everything's explained there. Just write something about yourself, your work, gear, bands, email address, homepage address, whatever you find important, and email it to me. You may or may not use the tabular form that many people use. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:22 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 13:48:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8tgJ-0005xG-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:48:11 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 16:45:22 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"HLpwx.A.24E.VXwF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/458 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:48:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 174c93834183bcb28e22b1a889da2355 Kim Flint replied: >One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer >with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to >meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any >given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be >getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this >is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them. >kim Thanks for the suggestion Kim. Problem is I've already tried this approach, which ultimately resulted in my meeting with the District Sales Manager, Jerry Lambert a couple of weeks back. He says that they're way behind in production and wasn't very hopeful or helpfull in regards to instant gratification. I'm actually quite happy with my jamthings for now, but I have friends who would buy jam or plex if they could find them. It's REALLY too bad that these are so hard to get as everybody who hooks up to one seems to create something different. They are really expressive toys! Phil From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 11:30:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 10:54:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8qy6-0006nI-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:54:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:44:31 -0700 Message-ID: <00015166.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Hello and Vortex query? To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"yCJGeB.A.e4F.A2tF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/447 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:54:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 5919bf535960cd5e7ee044b6944c449f Hello All, I'm greatly enjoying the web site and list! I'm probably the 59th person to ask where I might find a new or used Vortex, but I'd much appreciate a lead. I delayed buying one until they went out of production. (of course!) After hearing you all wax poetic about them I think I'd better get one soon. Kind Regards, -Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions." mike.biffle@wj.com 408.439.4622 From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 11:30:30 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 11:15:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8rIV-0000tS-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:15:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: MIvanBerk@aol.com Message-ID: <970910140428_1627553235@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 or 7.6 Resent-Message-ID: <"-jyxw