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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 14

Today's Topics:
  Re: MIDI Loops                        [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Mid-Atlantic Loop Show?           [ andre <andre@monmouth.com> ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Mid-Atlantic Loop Show?           [ jspeer@haverford.edu ]
  Re: Mid-Atlantic Loop Show?           [ RA336@aol.com ]
  Re: Mid-Atlantic Loop Show?           [ paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski,  ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Re: philsophical background           [ Michael Preston <michpres@erols.com ]
  Re: Marimba/Mbira music               [ Michael Preston <michpres@erols.com ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Wishlist Item # 971: Expand the   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Please drop DAVID KIRKDORFFER (sayaa  [ leddy@husc.harvard.edu (Norene Ledd ]
  Bon at D.T.E.                         [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ]
  Re: Bon at D.T.E.                     [ Chris Chovit <cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.go ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ KILLINFO@aol.com ]
  suggestions                           [ jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor) ]
  whoops                                [ jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor) ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Sync cable                        [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: suggestions                       [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  FAQ again                             [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 02:18:34 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MIDI Loops
Message-Id: <v01520d05aea846870efc@[200.254.32.106]>
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Olivier Malhomme
>There is no way to multiply delay while playing but you can choose the
>midi channel for the loop, and anything can be changed on the fly
>(channel, delay time, repetitions, velocity: you can even have inverse
>velocity, no velocity difference, whatever..)

Hm... not while playing, but on the fly... I maybe do not understand "on
the fly".

And why would you change channel? You mean track, maybe?

I can imagine to have a one bar delay on one track and a 4 bar on the other
and while playing (or just on the fly?) I can change the track and add to
the one that corresponds to the actual "musical velocity" I am looking for.

And the delay keeps adding notes to the sequencer while recording?
Or do you apply the same delay again for "mixing"?


Jim comes in:
>Not difficult at all.  Many are already adding inline midi fx now,
>with delays (too short though, and no feedback), and transpositions.

Olivier has feedback! And how much delay time, Olivier?

>What I'd like in particular is that Digidesign add additive-cycle-
>recording to their DAE software so one can loop while recording,
>or at least if they'd publish the interface specs to their drivers
>so others can.

Very much so. Strange that Peter Gotcher, the creator of the enterprise,
said in an interview years ago, that he is interested in looping. I wrote
him twice, no answer.

>> Jim again, full of valuable experience:
>> >One can do feedback using Max, but the "code" to do that
>> >has to manually remove notes when their volume (midi velocity) reaches
>> >zero, otherwise the delay line can end up with a large number of
>> >notes that are not played, ultimately slowing down the system.

and a bit later:
>I may be able to dig out the
>essential delay component in the next few weeks.

aha! very nice! Why let your creations be covered by virtual dust?

And the sequencer delay has this problem resolved? Olivier?

Now Paolo comes:
>Max was designed to be used by non-engineers, so there are a fair number
>of users with no engineering background at all.  ...
>I think Opcode still considers Max too esoteric to port to the Windows
>platform, though.

They probably sold 10 or even 100 times more sequencers than Max. The real
thing would be with digidesign and audio sequencers like digital performer
or logic audio. But to get there we could discover a lot with Max.

>Max offers several objects that have the capability of measuring the
>time between two successive controller messages.
>
>> Does it require additional compiling soft or licence?
>
>I have not written my own, but my requirements were relatively simple. I
>know of an entire intepretive language encoded into a single Max object
>(the Pyrite object) because someone felt he needed it.

So the Max looper should be feasable. Who... ?

Maybe we are breeding on a product? Dont worry, I am constantely, even when
I make my Maracuja/Banana or Carambola/Umbu/Banana jam (mmmm...) Anyone
wants to import exotic natural jam from Brasil? What? Off topic? Ever
looped with a spoon in a pan? Jam session!

Sorry for my mountain of questions.
Matthias

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:56:46 -0500 (EST)
From: andre <andre@monmouth.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Mid-Atlantic Loop Show?
Message-Id: <199611081456.JAA15874@shell.monmouth.com>
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philly show??? you can count me in...

andre


At 02:41 PM 11/7/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Loopers,
>
>I'd like to find out how many folks would be interested in participating in
>a looped music night in Philadelphia.  I've successfully set up some shows
>on behalf of some small venues in the city in the past, and I believe I
>could do the organization and legwork for such a show.
>
>I'm not a looper myself, but I'm a big fan of looped music.  Anyone
>interested, please speak up now.  Drop me an e-mial, or post here.
>
>Later!
>Jim
>
>**********************
>My Town: Philadelphia!
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:11:45 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v01520d0baea85e1c9940@[200.254.32.106]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Somehow we lost track in this affair. I see that there will be beautyfull
spirals by Michael and Olivier, Collier and Ray - and I do not even know
yet whether you want spirals on the cover.

But the idea was to send in our best in <10minutes files and burn them in
2...3 CDRs for anyone (?) sending in x$, correct?

Since the CDRs are about $7 and some burn and some more costs will be
involved... $10 ea? Or $15 for those who did not send in music?

And who would do the compilation? Ray?

The latest participants list:
Andre LaFosse
Dave Trenkel
David Kirkdorffer
David Orton
Doug Michael
Jon Morris
Louis Collier Hyams
Matthias Grob
Michael Hughes
Michael Peters
Patrick Smith
Ray Peck
Ted R. Killian
Todd Madson
Andre Cholmondeley
Matt McCabe
Paul Poplawski

That would be 18 (including someone who makes up his mind later).
On two CDRs we have 148 minutes or 8.2 minutes each musician
On three CDRs we have 222 minutes or 12.3 minutes each musician

I vote for the later. It takes 54 CDRs. On a 4x recorder it takes 999
(scary, huh?) minutes to burn them. Say 1080 minutes = 18 hours with
exchange and stuff.

You will have to be very friendly, Ray, or share the work with someone.
I am a bit off axis, but I someone sends me a package with DATs or cassetes
or CDs, I glady compile them onto a CDR or even several. But the
reproduction does not make sense here because the import of the material
expensive.

Anyone?
Should we wait for the Californian loop shows to happen to see if we profit
from recordings there?
Or would it be a great oportunity to distribute the CDs amongst the
participants?
Or would the CDRs be a helpfull base to organize the concert, convince the
press, configure the program, prepare for the stage impros?

What are the time frames for the project?
Everyone his recording readdy? I dont, but I will "just" select and send.
Takes 10 days with quick transport included.

Another mountain of questions
Matthias

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:47:45 -0500
From: jspeer@haverford.edu
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Mid-Atlantic Loop Show?
Message-Id: <9611081549.AA01350@acc>

Looks like there's plenty interest in participation!  I'm collecting the
names of those who've expressed interest so far -- So you'll be hearing
from me, don't worry.  Looks like we should wait until after Xmas holidays
to hold the show.  I'll look into likely venues and coordinate back to you
guys within a week or so.  If you've not yet expressed your interest,
please do so and I'll slap you on the list.

Jim


>philly show??? you can count me in...
>
>andre
>
>

**********************
My Town: Philadelphia!

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:05:27 -0500
From: RA336@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Mid-Atlantic Loop Show?
Message-ID: <961108110526_346924958@emout19.mail.aol.com>

i'm interested... keep me posted, okay?
thanks,
robby aceto

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:55:11 -0500 (EST)
From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Mid-Atlantic Loop Show?
Message-Id: <v01520d00aea9093b35e2@[205.216.96.91]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Looks like there's plenty interest in participation!  I'm collecting the
>names of those who've expressed interest so far -- So you'll be hearing
>from me, don't worry.  Looks like we should wait until after Xmas holidays
>to hold the show.  I'll look into likely venues and coordinate back to you
>guys within a week or so.  If you've not yet expressed your interest,
>please do so and I'll slap you on the list.
>
>Jim
>
>
>>philly show??? you can count me in...
>>
>>andre
>>
>>
>
>**********************
>My Town: Philadelphia!


dear jspeer > maybe Haverford could hold it or what about the International
House in Philly ... they have a great space ... looking forward to working
on this with you.

Paul

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:34:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <199611082134.NAA18814@pure.PureAtria.COM>

>Since the CDRs are about $7 and some burn and some more costs will be
>involved... $10 ea? Or $15 for those who did not send in music?
>
>And who would do the compilation? Ray?

Yes, I can do the mastering.

>I vote for the later. It takes 54 CDRs. On a 4x recorder it takes 999
>(scary, huh?) minutes to burn them. Say 1080 minutes = 18 hours with
>exchange and stuff.
>
>You will have to be very friendly, Ray, or share the work with someone.
>I am a bit off axis, but I someone sends me a package with DATs or cassetes
>or CDs, I glady compile them onto a CDR or even several. But the
>reproduction does not make sense here because the import of the material
>expensive.
>

Well, I sure don't want to burn 54 disks.  18 is a lot.

I can master them and make, say, 5 sets to send to other burners, who
can duplicate them down the line.

If we're happy with nice 300x300 graphics, I can also print 18
inserts.  If we're really getting fun, I can also print CD-R labels.
Those cost a bit more, of course (I think the blank labels are around
$0.50 each). 


>Anyone?
>Should we wait for the Californian loop shows to happen to see if we profit
>from recordings there?
>Or would it be a great oportunity to distribute the CDs amongst the
>participants?
>Or would the CDRs be a helpfull base to organize the concert, convince the
>press, configure the program, prepare for the stage impros?

This is a good question.  I'd say let's do one round, hopefully a 2
disk set, and then think about another if the shows actually
materialize.

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 10:30:20 +0000
From: Michael Preston <michpres@erols.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: philsophical background
Message-ID: <3285AEBC.4E7@erols.com>
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Matthias,

Okay, Preston it is. I rather like your observation that

> "prestar" in port. means that something works, has fundament.

I'm glad you liked the "demo" bits, and that you see no need for hurry. 
I agree that simplicity and brevity are important. The sooner the 
better. In this project, I will do my best to live up to the port. 
etymon for my name.

> That's it!

Whole lotta shakin' goin on.

Preston

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:29:36 +0000
From: Michael Preston <michpres@erols.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Marimba/Mbira music
Message-ID: <3285BCA0.1920@erols.com>
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Matthias,

You wrote:

> We sure have a lot of really heavy woods down here (Salvador/Brazil).
> And my partner Bira builds Kalimbas (=Mbira?) and all sorts of instruments.
> He has some reasonable (under used) wood working machines.
> For a resonator he has gourds (is that the big vegetable with the hard,
> thin shell?). He uses them even for Kalimbas! And of course for the
> Berimbaos.


My interest is turned up to 11! Brazil has MANY fine woods. Would Bira 
take a small custom order for some cut wood? Does Bira also sell any of 
the instruments he makes? I don't know what the US or Brazilian laws are 
on such matters. Perhaps it's legally possible?

Yes, gourds! I've grown them, and I've used them to make shekere (large 
African rattle with external woven beadwork). I'd like to make a 
berimbao one day. Gourd marimba resonators are beautiful. The marimba 
plans I've seen recommend the use of PVC tubing. Not as pretty, but 
perhaps more precisely tunable.

> Hoppi recorded a Bamboo Balaphon.

I will look for this. I'm a big fan of the rhizomes! On the 
Philooposophy page I will attempt to describe the book "A Thousand 
Plateaus" by Gilles DeLeuze and Felix Guattari. The book pays homage to 
the grass, and may be important for loopists.

> One of my dreams is to build such instruments "solid body" with piezo pick up's.
> To make the pickups is easy for me. The position of it is easy in case of
> Kalimba, and a bit more difficult in case of marimba, but still possible.

I'd be very interested to know what comes of this good dream. I've used 
a DiMarzio "Hot Dot" pickup into a feedback notch/preamp called "The 
Notch" to amp my hollow body kalimbas. It works, but the solid body idea 
is one I'd like to try. In July I was surfing the net, with Alta Vista, 
and I found, in a "Marimba" search, a page of pickups for marimba. I 
wish I had bookmarked it. Perhaps the page would offer some desinger's 
insights?

> We could install instrument builders courses down here:
> Beach in the morning, sawing in the afternoon and 'Plex syncing at night!
> Wana teach?

This sounds VERY good to me! Perhaps building, with some other 
coursework in Brazilian percussion and guitar playing? With plenty of 
beachwork and loop studies! I'd rather be a student; some of my best 
teachers have been my fellow students.

Preston

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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 18:22:27 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v01520d03aeaa73b7262b@[200.254.32.102]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>Since the CDRs are about $7 and some burn and some more costs will be
>>involved... $10 ea? Or $15 for those who did not send in music?
>>
>>And who would do the compilation? Ray?
>
>Yes, I can do the mastering.

Great!

>>I vote for the later. It takes 54 CDRs. On a 4x recorder it takes 999
>>(scary, huh?) minutes to burn them. Say 1080 minutes = 18 hours with
>>exchange and stuff.
>>
>>You will have to be very friendly, Ray, or share the work with someone.
>>I am a bit off axis, but I someone sends me a package with DATs or cassetes
>>or CDs, I glady compile them onto a CDR or even several. But the
>>reproduction does not make sense here because the import of the material
>>expensive.

>Well, I sure don't want to burn 54 disks.  18 is a lot.
>
>I can master them and make, say, 5 sets to send to other burners, who
>can duplicate them down the line.

Who can? Any hands up?

>If we're happy with nice 300x300 graphics, I can also print 18
>inserts.  If we're really getting fun, I can also print CD-R labels.
>Those cost a bit more, of course (I think the blank labels are around
>$0.50 each).

Great for me.

>>Anyone?
>>Should we wait for the Californian loop shows to happen to see if we profit
>>from recordings there?
>>Or would it be a great oportunity to distribute the CDs amongst the
>>participants?
>>Or would the CDRs be a helpfull base to organize the concert, convince the
>>press, configure the program, prepare for the stage impros?
>
>This is a good question.  I'd say let's do one round, hopefully a 2
>disk set, and then think about another if the shows actually
>materialize.

Reasonable. So the first that send in get on the disc?
If I send you a DAT (with two 10min. sound bits to select from) and a check
of $20, is that ok?

I love this proposual. Thank you a lot!
Matthias

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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 18:22:34 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: deckusers-errors@lists.best.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Wishlist Item # 971: Expand the Library 
Message-Id: <v01520d04aeaa792f6f14@[200.254.32.102]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Josh anounced:

>The Library window becomes DECK's main window, and allows the tracking of
>all kinds of different data types.  We will allow multiple libraries to be
>open at once, with many sort functions.


This is a good step toards my old wish of "modular recording":

- The clock from a looping unit or sequencer could automatically snip the
library into "slices" of some rythmical unit (8 bars for example). Those
could then be rearranged easily.

- The library could have a "clone" function that alows to automatically
repeat a library item onto a track - the easyest way to lay down a
background over a longer, defined period.

The combination of these two features allows to quickly "compose", using
ideas of a free recording or selecting the best of several takes:
The musician keeps playing the same bit until he reaches one perfect
turnaround. This is cloned, maybe with other parts inserted, to form the
background.
To create a solo for example, the background slice is looped until the
musician feels fine with a version, which then can be placed anywhere in
the library and will fit rythmically.

The "slice" and "clone" features also will simplify the rearanging of loop
music a lot.

And there is a lot more in this direction!

Thanks for listening
Matthias

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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 17:06:19 -0500
From: leddy@husc.harvard.edu (Norene Leddy)
To: kflint@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Please drop DAVID KIRKDORFFER (sayaaahh@aol.com) from Loopers-Delight List
Message-Id: <v02140b00aeaaad04ae11@[140.247.84.247]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Kim and Other Loopers!

This is David Kirkdorffer (SayAaahh@aol.com)  writing to you from his
girlfriend's work account.

The overwhelming volume of e-mail from the Loopers-Delight list forces me
to request that I be dropped from the list.  If a DIGEST version exists,
please add me to that and I'll see if that format is easier to keep up
with.

I just can't keep up with all these individual notes/e-mailings.
It's a pitty too, it's been a great source of information.

Thanks,

David Kirkdorffer

P.S.   Without meaning to offend anyone, in parting let me mention some
ideas to keep the list volume down.

1.   Make sure the SUBJECT line on your posts accurately reflects what
you're post is actually about.  That may mean changing it!

2.  Be careful of re-including great gobs of text if you only add a
one-line comment.

3.  Use e-mail to individuals instead of generally mailing to the list if
you can.

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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 18:27:57 -0500
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Bon at D.T.E.
Message-ID: <961109182756_1584332109@emout10.mail.aol.com>

Learned from the fine folks at the Down to Earth Coffeehouse in Mt. Holly,
N.J. that Bon Lazaga will be performing solo(?) Thurs. evening December 12.
 Call 1-609-265-9135 for info.
          -----Paul (Stick player)

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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 16:41:48 -0700
From: Chris Chovit <cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Bon at D.T.E.
Message-Id: <v03007800aeaac6e5c281@[137.79.95.51]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Learned from the fine folks at the Down to Earth Coffeehouse in Mt. Holly,
>N.J. that Bon Lazaga will be performing solo(?) Thurs. evening December 12.
> Call 1-609-265-9135 for info.
>          -----Paul (Stick player)

I'm on the wrong coast, but I'm interested...I haven't heard of Bon.  Could
you describe his music?

- chris


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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 21:21:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <199611100521.VAA29607@pure.PureAtria.COM>

>Reasonable. So the first that send in get on the disc?
>If I send you a DAT (with two 10min. sound bits to select from) and a check
>of $20, is that ok?
>
>I love this proposual. Thank you a lot!
>Matthias

Um, sounds ok to me, but let's finish discussing this before we start
sending money, OK?

And it's going to take me quite a while to do this.  If performers pay
$12 each, I'll make about half the minimum wage for my labor.  ;-)

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:08:27 -0500
From: KILLINFO@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-ID: <961110120825_347711350@emout15.mail.aol.com>

Dear Loopists,

Regarding the Loop-d CD project. I now think that I'm a 
bit too "swamped" (with pre-NAMM stuff) to contribute 
anything newly recorded. And, since what I already have 
"in the can" is with older technology (EH 16-Sec. delays 
and such). I would like to wait until I've "mastered" my 
newly acquired Obie EDPs before I contribute any tracks 
to the CD project. Perhaps after the West Coast Summit 
Concert I will have done so (enough to confidently roll 
some tape at least). I'm still "woodshedding" with the new 
box. I hope y'all can understand.

Catch you on the next "go-round" of CDs...

Ted Killian

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:33:05 -0500
From: jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: suggestions
Message-ID: <19961110203304705.AAA73@cola87.scsn.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

i'm a bock and blues guitarist who's been watching this list for a few
weeks. i want to check out a few of the loop CD's considered excellent, the
electric ladylands or sgt. peppers of looping, if you will. no big deal - i
just need a few titles and names. thanks, jay

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:39:13 -0500
From: jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: whoops
Message-ID: <19961110203912604.AAA179@cola87.scsn.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

uh - that's rock and blues, not "bock and blues"! 
Jay Taylor
P.O. Box 1333
The State
Columbia, S.C. 29201
(803) 771-8549
fax: (803) 771-8430, 8480
jtaylor@scsn.net

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:01:45 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v01520d05aeabe31b688b@[200.254.32.106]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>Reasonable. So the first that send in get on the disc?
>>If I send you a DAT (with two 10min. sound bits to select from) and a check
>>of $20, is that ok?
>
>Um, sounds ok to me, but let's finish discussing this before we start
>sending money, OK?

Ok, go ahead.

>And it's going to take me quite a while to do this.  If performers pay
>$12 each, I'll make about half the minimum wage for my labor.  ;-)

Ah, now you come out of the bushes ;-).
Sure you deserve 12, no problem for me. Really ok for you? Since there is
no way we make some earnings back with this work, its really a comunity
thing and we depend on contributions like yours.
But we have to honour it - at least.

Actually there is a chance that the compilation one day turns into a
product, and if its just for demo purposes. Maybe we could fix a real
remuneration for participants for this case. But its complicated, heavy
some how. And most probably such a next step will be made with new music,
all new, all better.

Matthias

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:21:06 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Sync cable
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>>An interesting by-product could be the possibility of a surround-sound group
>>"jam" to finish off each series of
>>4 players.
>
>got me thinking:
>
>For those of us with Echoplex DP's, if we all had brother sync "Y" cables
>with 1 male  (3 conductor) connector on one end and 1 male and 1 female on
>the other ends of the "Y", then it'd be quite easy to sync many of them
>together, for events such as this.  Plus, headphone extension cables would
>work for long distance patching.
>
>Kim, did Oberheim modify the units they shipped, after you discovered the
>design flaw [which prevents 4 or more units from brother syncing together]?
>(or is that wishful thinking....?)

I requested that change, and I'm pretty sure they incorporated it, but its
a bit hard to know for sure. If you feel motivated about checking or
correcting it yourself, the mod is:

change R62 from 2.2k to 10k ohm, 5% resistor

>It would be wonderful to have folks in 4 corners of the room synced
>together, co-creating loops!  If we each brought the Y cable (for each of
>our EDP's), a headphone extension cable, and made sure we had the resistor
>swap, it would be easy.
>
>- chris

That would be really fun. Definitely an interesting experience, since not a
whole lot of people have tried to do that sort of thing! The BrotherSync is
there just waiting for you all to explore it and discover what can be done.

kim

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Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
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http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:40:37 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: suggestions
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On Sun, 10 Nov 1996, Jay Taylor wrote:

> i'm a bock and blues guitarist who's been watching this list for a few
> weeks. i want to check out a few of the loop CD's considered excellent, the
> electric ladylands or sgt. peppers of looping, if you will. no big deal - i
> just need a few titles and names. thanks, jay

Try these on for size --

"No Pussyfooting" by Fripp and Eno (also available on "The Essential 
Fripp and Eno," which includes all of "No Pussyfooting" plus several 
other outtakes.)

"What Means Solid, Traveller?" and "Tripping Over God" by David Torn 
(Good luck trying to find the first one).

Any of the solo Soundscape CDs by Fripp; I recommend "1999" or 
"Radiophonics."  I'm not so enamored with "A Blessig of Tears" -- too 
redundantly syrupy for my tastes.

These are all pretty "stock" examples, but these are probably the best 
candidates for the loop counterparts to the aforementioned classics.

There are some other recomended recordings which were largely posted in 
the first week of the list's existence; check the archive at the web site 
for that.

Happy listening,

--Andre

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:42:39 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: FAQ again
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Hey --
I've recieved many useful contributions for the developing Echoplex FAQ, 
and some new info from Kim regarding some answers to previously untouched 
questions and even one or two equipment mods.  (Thanks Kim!)

I'll compile these sometime in the next two or three days and forward 
them off to the list.  Thanks for all the contributions,

--Andre

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