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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 17

Today's Topics:
  re:Oberheim support change?           [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  [Fwd: Recombinant 96 (Live Events fr  [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Eric Cook <ecook@conch.aa.msen.com> ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Stew Benedict <benedict@netcom.com> ]
  new web stuff!!                       [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Much Vaunted CD Project               [ ToddM@LaserMaster.Com ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  correction on:Oberheim support chang  [ "Bret Moreland" <Bret_Moreland@maxt ]
  Much Vaunted CD Project               [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:35:33 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: re:Oberheim support change?
Message-Id: <v02140b06aeade4ff12c4@[204.162.164.212]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Bret said:
>You echoplex users may be interested in what just occurred with me and
>Oberheim.
>

>Then today I received a call from Kevin Philbin in Nashville with Oberheim
>Sales and Service.  He says he was forwarded my Email asking what was
>going on (Subject:  Is there anybody out there?).  I had also stated my
>frustration when I got no response for 2 weeks.  He gave me his extension,
>and said that  now if you call the Oberheim for support it will ring at
>his desk.  I do have his extension:  1-800-444-2766 ext. 651.  His Email
>is k.philbin@gibson.com
>
>I don't know exactly what changed in how they are doing Oberheim customer
>support, but they are appearing more responsive than they were in my
>previous encounters.  It is nice to be able to call the guys desk, instead
>of only reaching an answering service.

I think this is a much better way to get customer support on Oberheim
products. It's the way support is set up to work at Gibson. If you call the
customer support people you get trained support professionals, who actually
care about your problem and will work with you to fix it. If you call
Oberheim, you get people concerned about whether parts are coming in on
time, or the accounting, or whether a shipment is boxed up for the ups
truck. Not only is your problem way down their list of priorities (because
its someone else's job), they probably don't know the answer anyway. Its
not that they don't care, they just don't have time for it.



>Is there a service manual for the Echoplex?

Sadly, we never made one. G-wiz was in start-up mode at the time, and
documentation was not one of our stong points....

Techs at Oberheim may have made something at some point, but I never heard
about it.


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:38:22 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v01510100aeabdfc03727@[128.193.5.66]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>>Since the CDRs are about $7 and some burn and some more costs will be
>>>involved... $10 ea? Or $15 for those who did not send in music?
>>>
>>>And who would do the compilation? Ray?
>>
>>Yes, I can do the mastering.
>
>Great!
>
>>>I vote for the later. It takes 54 CDRs. On a 4x recorder it takes 999
>>>(scary, huh?) minutes to burn them. Say 1080 minutes = 18 hours with
>>>exchange and stuff.
>>>
>>>You will have to be very friendly, Ray, or share the work with someone.
>>>I am a bit off axis, but I someone sends me a package with DATs or cassetes
>>>or CDs, I glady compile them onto a CDR or even several. But the
>>>reproduction does not make sense here because the import of the material
>>>expensive.
>
>>Well, I sure don't want to burn 54 disks.  18 is a lot.
>>
>>I can master them and make, say, 5 sets to send to other burners, who
>>can duplicate them down the line.
>
>Who can? Any hands up?

I have access to a CD-R at work, so I could do a few copies, maybe 5 to 10.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
                                     -Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:31:13 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: [Fwd: Recombinant 96 (Live Events from Asphodel Records)]
Message-Id: <v01510100aeadf71817eb@[128.193.5.8]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hey, I came across this in a newsgroup, and thought Bay Area Loopers may be
interested. If I wasn't in the middle of a work crunch right now, I'd be
pretty tempted to check this out myself...

>
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>                  Asphodel Records Presents
>
>                       RECOMBINANT '96
>
>           A Convergence of Audio/Visual Mixology
>
>     --->                                   VISIT
><----
>     ---> http://www.sombient.com/stc/recombinant/ <----
>     --->                       FOR MORE INFO              <----
>
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>        RECOMBINANT is an unusual live exploration of audio/visual
>resynthesis and abstrakt mood sculpture illustrating the next
>step in mixology through a "summit-style" DJ convergence.
>Central to RECOMBINANT's aesthetic is the 3-D spatialization
>of SOUND TRAFFIC CONTROL. RECOMBINANT will be presented on the
>west coast this fall, with more North American shows to follow
>next year. In addition, the offspring event RECON will emerge
>in future months, bringing distilled sub-particles from the
>RECOMBINANT organism to a basement or speakeasy near you.
>
>                                   ------===------
>                                      SHOW DATES
>                                   ------===------
>
>                         ****** LOS ANGELES, CA ******
>
>                                 Saturday, November 9, 1996
>                   American Legion Hall, 2035 N. Highland
>                                    Hollywood CA
>                     Info: 213.486.4536
>            All ages - $15 - 7:30 p.m. to 2 a.m.
>
>                                         Featuring:
>                 The ILLbient Abstrakt wave posse from NYC:
>                   DJ Spooky that subliminal kid, Sub Dub
>                     We (DJ Olive, Loop, Once11),  Byzar
>            futuresteppin' visualistics - from Austria
>                                     Granular Synthesis
>                performing Motion Control MODELL5
>           (a radical subsonic hypermass media monument)
>                             Battle of the Turntables with
>                   The Invisible Scratch Pickles (SF)
>                  Q-Bert, Shortkut, & Mixmaster Mike
>                                                        vs.
>                           The X-Men (Brooklyn)
>                        Rob Swift,  Roc Raider,  & Mr. Sinister
>                                                   plus
>                        the Beat Junkies - Babu & Symphony (LA)
>  (Plus loads of special guests - Call for specific details)
>
>
>
>
>                 ****** SAN FRANCISCO, CA ******
>
>                  Monday _THRU_ Friday November 11-15, 1996
>        Club Townsend and King Street Garage, San Francisco
>                     Info: 415.522.7380
>                   All Shows 21+ with ID
>
>                         MONDAY 11/11
>             The Gardening Club/XLR8R/Black Diamond
>                   DJ DARKHORSE-FELIX THE DOG
>                CHARLES EDWARDS-PROFESSOR SMITH
>                             plus
>              JONAH SHARP of Spacetime Continuum
>            in an electronic hydroponic environment
>                        $5  -- 9:30 p.m.
>
>                                   TUESDAY 11/12
>                Fathom Records presents Dark Tribal Ambient from
>                             Kenneth Newby, Halcyon Days,
>                             Robert Rich and Steve Roach
>      plus: from the radical abstract to coctail concrete
>                      the premiere of RECON
>    SOMBIENT's Storm of Drones -- introducingThe Undertaker
>             rare live appearance by Insect Funeral
>       plus Hans Christian (cello) and  gothic symphonics
>                          $8 -- 7:30 pm
>
>                         WEDNESDAY 11/13
>                The Invisible Scratch Pickles (SF)
>                Q-Bert, Shortkut, & Mixmaster Mike
>                               vs.
>                      The X-Men (Brooklyn)
>               Rob Swift, Roc Raider, & Mr. Sinister
>             plus the Beat Junkies Babu & Symphony(LA)
>           special appearance by Stretch Armstrong (NYC)
>                  And in the STC 3-D Galactic:
>                Cultural Alchemy's SoundLab (NY)
>                  QUANTYK-AKOUSTYK-DJ M.SINGE
>              THE BEDOUIN-DJ SPOOKY-ARTO LINDSAY
>                     MULTIPOLYOMNI-MC VERB
>                    Plus special guests TBA
>                         $8  -- 9:30 pm
>
>                   THURSDAY/FRIDAY 11/14-11/15
>          from the Illbient Abstrakt wave crew in New York:
>       DJ Spooky, Sub Dub, We (DJ Olive & Lloop, etc),  Byzar
>            and one step beyond the usual - from Austria:
>                       Granular Synthesis
>          who will perform the Motion Control MODELL5 Show
>           (a radical subsonic hypermass media monument)
>               the ultimate live audio-visual organism.
>               Live turntable music exhibition with
>                The Invisible Scratch Pickles (SF)
>                             vs.
>                      The X-Men (Brooklyn)
>                                         plus
>                              STEVE ROACH (Thursday)
>                             CHEB i SABBAH (Thursday)
>                 NAUT HUMON conducts the ISO ORCHESTRA (Friday)
>                                       $15 -- 8:30 pm
>
>
>
>           >>> MORE SHOW DETAILS AVAILABLE ON WEBSITE <<<
>
>               http://www.sombient.com/stc/recombinant
>               http://www.sombient.com/stc/recombinant
>               http://www.sombient.com/stc/recombinant
>               http://www.sombient.com/stc/recombinant
>               http://www.sombient.com/stc/recombinant
>               http://www.sombient.com/stc/recombinant
>
>           >>> MORE SHOW DETAILS AVAILABLE ON WEBSITE <<<
>
>----------------------------------
>Posted for Asphodel by
>VOID ENGINEERING
>http://www.voidengine.com/
>info@voidengine.com
>

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
                                     -Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:48:19 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v01520d02aead03f6c761@[200.254.32.120]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thanks, Ray, you defined it all now I think.

We just need your snail adress.

I suggest that everyone sends in recordings he has *now*, otherwhise we
might demotivate.
Improvements are allways possible and usually seam much bigger for the
player than for the listener.

Your work will be highly apreciated!
Matthias

PS. what do we do, if noone helps to make the CDR copies?
There are services, but expensive, probably.

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:57:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Cook <ecook@conch.aa.msen.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.92.961112115410.4733A-100000@conch.aa.msen.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Having just joined the list last night, I apparently walked in on the end
of this conversation.  I'd be interested in participating, or at least
buying a copy..  Could you summarize the details for a late-comer?
Private mail is fine if the list doesn't need to hear it again.

Thanks much!
--Eric Cook                 ecook@mail.msen.com
  Gravitar-Guy              http://www.msen.com/~ecook/gravitar.html

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:19:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Stew Benedict <benedict@netcom.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9611120924.A17041-0100000@netcom14>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

(delurking)

I've got access to a CD burner, but don't have software for audio CD's.
I'd be running on a DOS/Win 3.11 platform if it makes a difference.

Hey, btw, although I haven't said much, but I've really enjoyed this list - 
it prompted me to pickup a Vortex, and also a Roland GR-09, and I'm
getting back into making my own imitation of "music", which I kind of
set aside 13 years ago when my daughter was born, and I realized I had
to buckle down and make a living.  Now she's developed an interest in the
guitar, and I've brought all my "stuff" out of the attic for both of us.

Stew


~~ Stew Benedict  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    AYS Enterprises ~~
benedict@netcom.com        http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8608
~~~~~~      "It's not just shy sluggin' gorms neemer!"          ~~~~~~
~~~ Proud sponsor of the plotbot - plots by email!  Send email to  ~~~
~~~~~ benedict@netcom.com, subject "plotbot help" for more info  ~~~~~

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:20:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: new web stuff!!
Message-Id: <199611122220.OAA28221@pure.PureAtria.COM>

Kim Flint writes:
>Despite having far more than my usual amount of fun this weekend, I managed
>to put a bunch o' new stuff up on the web page. Huge thanks to Michael
>Peters, Andre LaFosse, Matthias, and Tom Attix for their contributions and
>energy!!!
>
>First off, we have a cool logo now!!!! This comes courtesy of Tom Attix,
>thanks Tom!!!!!  You can check it out on the main page:
>
>http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html

Pretty nice graphic.  If Tom can make a CD-insert-sized version of it,
I'll print them up for the CD.  CD bookets are 120mm x 242 mm.  My
printer is 300 x 300, so probably a 75 x 75 or 150 x 150 dpi graphic
would work best (I haven't tried, since the printer is new and I
haven't had time to mess with Painter or Photoshop yet).

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Date:     12 Nov 1996 17:19:04CST6CDT
From: ToddM@LaserMaster.Com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject:  Much Vaunted CD Project
Message-ID: <348BF555DE@laserm.lmt.com>

I suppose I'm the 40th person to ask:

I have an appropriate tune - how should I send it?  I don't have DAT.
Who do I send it to and what form is preferred (i.e. cassette with DBX, dolby C, B)
What kind of cash is being asked for to have my tune included?
Will I receive a CD-R in return with the tunes on it or what?

What if the CD-R burner being used for the project explodes in an unforeseen
technical mishap?  What if Roy explodes in an unforeseen mishap?

Todd, the Vortex Guy.



Todd Madson
PressMate Product Specialist
LaserMaster Big Color Technical Support
Corporate Web Site: http://www.lasermaster.com/
LaserMaster BBS: (612) TEK-LINE
OTIS Faxback Service: (612) 943-3737

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:43:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <199611122343.PAA07805@pure.PureAtria.COM>

Matthias Grob writes:
>Thanks, Ray, you defined it all now I think.
>
>We just need your snail adress.

OK, since everyone seems to be deferring to me. . .

Send DATs and cassettes to:

Ray Peck
24653 Summerhill Ave
Los Altos, CA 94024

Please follow the directions I posted earlier.  This is going to get
hectic enough without unlabelled tapes, or tapes with 20 minute pices
and no editing directions!

>PS. what do we do, if noone helps to make the CDR copies?
>There are services, but expensive, probably.

Let's see.  I don't think it will come to that.  If it does, I'll make
more, but I'm going to charge more for machine wear and tear.

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:26:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <199611130026.QAA13556@pure.PureAtria.COM>

Stew Benedict writes:
>
>(delurking)
>
>I've got access to a CD burner, but don't have software for audio CD's.
>I'd be running on a DOS/Win 3.11 platform if it makes a difference.

See www.mainstream.com/~jarnold/cdrom  He sells it for $65.  It's
actually more powerful than what I use, in that it can do continuous
tracks with changing track numbers (i.e., you don't need gaps between
songs).  In fact, this feature is why I need to spend $400 on
Masterlist for the Mac.

I'd burn on my PC, but I don't have SCSI for it, and it's just a
general pain in the ass for me.  All my music tools are on the Mac,
and it would be a pain for me to have to ftp everything over to the PC
to burn CDs all the time.

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 17:33:01 MST
From: "Bret Moreland" <Bret_Moreland@maxtor.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: correction on:Oberheim support change?
Message-ID: <vines.PP59+cKdUmA@Longmont64.Maxtor.COM>

I mistakinly put an extra . in Kevin Philbin's Email address at Gibson 
Customer Support for Oberheim.  It should have been:

kphilbin@gibson.com

my apologies for the error.

b.ret

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:51:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Much Vaunted CD Project
Message-Id: <199611130151.RAA22721@pure.PureAtria.COM>

ToddM@LaserMaster.Com writes:
>I suppose I'm the 40th person to ask:
>
>I have an appropriate tune - how should I send it?  I don't have DAT.
>Who do I send it to and what form is preferred (i.e. cassette with DBX, dolby C, B)
>What kind of cash is being asked for to have my tune included?
>Will I receive a CD-R in return with the tunes on it or what?

OK, once again.  Send by mail to me.  DAT and $12 or cassette and $15,
plus $12 for each additional CD, limit, um, 1.  Address is:

Ray Peck
24653 Summerhill Ave
Los Altos, CA 94024

On cassettes I can handle dolby S, C, B or none.  Somewhere in a box I
have dbx, but the liklihood of my finding it is slim.  You can also
send me quarter track 7 1/2" IPS 7" reel if you want.  Hell, at the
radio station I can do half track, so if you've got nothing else,
contact me.  This is really pushing it, though.

>What if the CD-R burner being used for the project explodes in an unforeseen
>technical mishap?  What if Roy explodes in an unforeseen mishap?

Then I will be very upset, just having paid $1600 for it a few months
ago.  If I (*not* Roy, please) explode, your DATs will be the least of
my worries.

Send the thing with a SASE that will hold your CD(s) and tape, so I
can just drop the thing in the mail.  Clearly label the tape and the
SASE.  If you've got special editing or other needs (e.g.,
single-ended noise reduction or eq), contact me directly by email and
we'll work something out.

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