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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 27

Today's Topics:
  Re: Vortex Alert and formal delurk    [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  Re: Jam Man Odd Time / Plexs MIDI     [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Steve Reich & Musicians           [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Vortex Alert and formal delurk    [ erik simpson <eriks@on-ramp.ior.com ]
  Re: Vortex Alert and formal delurk    [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Re: Vortex Alert and formal delurk    [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Vortex Applications Notes             [ "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMas ]
  Implied music                         [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Re: Vortex Applications Notes         [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Vortex Applications Notes             [ Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuSer ]
  Re: Vortex Applications Notes         [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  Re: Vortex Applications Notes         [ Stew Benedict <benedict@netcom.com> ]
  Re: Implied music                     [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Vortex Applications Notes         [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ]
  Re: Implied music                     [ James Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com ]
  Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes      [ "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMas ]
  Re: Implied music                     [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 21:28:25 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Alert and formal delurk
Message-Id: <v01520d02aec63b138222@[205.177.25.43]>
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>Hello,
>
>Just in case someone still wants one, the Guitar Center "December Deal
>Days" catalog announces a "Last Chance On Lexicon Price Breakthrough!"
>on the Vortex at $149.99.

Hi John,

Can you give me a phone number for them. I already have one Vortex, but at
this price I'm tempted to buy another.....

Patrick

BTW I'm 40.......

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 01:54:46 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Jam Man Odd Time / Plexs MIDI
Message-Id: <v01520d00aec65dca2756@[200.254.32.115]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Ed asked
>>>( Cue Loops,etc.)
>Let's say you've recorded 4 loops in the Jam Man and are playing them back
>for soloing over them or to use as different sections of a piece , if you
>wanted to jump from loop 1 straight to loop 4 , you can just send the
>proper MIDI program change number and it will happen, whereas if you were
>using the footswitches, you would have to tap and scroll in order from loop
>1 thru loops 2 and 3  to get to loop 4. It's very distracting to have to do
>this and it's very easy to overshoot and go past where you wanted to stop ,
>in which case you'd have to scroll thru again and stop on loop 4. Also, any
>recent news about the 'Plex upgrade ?

Yes, sure, I should have sent you this plan right away. It shows you the 4
states of the ControlSource parameters and the possibilities to control
through MIDI.

ControlSource = OFF:
        Notes                       ignored
        Controllers             ignored
        ProgramCh               parameter sets

ControlSource = not:
        Notes                     functions and switch loops
        Controllers             volume / feedback
        ProgramCh               parameter sets, switch loops

ControlSource = Cnt.:
        Notes                      switch loops
        Controllers             functions / volume / feedback
        ProgramCh               parameter sets, switch loops

ControlSource = Pro:
        Notes                    switch loops
        Controllers           volume / feedback
        ProgramCh            functions, parameter sets, switch loops

The present soft is without ProgramCh. In the update its working.
"switch loops" it what you called "cue", which might be a better name... Kim?

The functions are in a fixed sequence, but you can control the start of
this sequence with  the Source # parameter.
Parameter sets are allways ProgramCh 1...4
Volume and Feedback controller # can be chosen independently.


>Digital Music's Ground Control has inputs for 2 expression pedals and can
>send continuous controller messages programmable per patch , is this what
>you are talking about ?

Yes. So far the keys need to be programmable to send ControlChanges which
only the more sophisticated ones are.


>Matthias, what switching system/footswitches etc., do you use for your 'Plex ?

For the LOOP delay we used italian footswitches: Square aluminum base,
connectable, plastic lever. Roland has similar ones. Instead of the
original switches we built short throw keys into them and modified the
lever for a short action, too. So it perfect for taping. I connect those
switches to a pedal board. It ends up more expensive and a bit bigger and a
lot better.

If more people are interested, we could order 100 in italy, someone could
mount them with my support and sell them to the interested. Selling them
for 30, you can earn something. For those who need all 7 switches, this
might be too expensive.
Another option would be to buy only the plastic parts (really cheap!) and
form a one piece board to install 7 of them.
Another option is to order them at PARADIS, but I am not shure whether Rolf
has parts and energy to still make them. Fax=phone=011 41 52 233 34 43

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 01:56:00 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Steve Reich & Musicians
Message-Id: <v01520d08aec6bc2f54e9@[200.254.32.115]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>>Especially the dissing Glass bit.  Let's be a little more openminded here,
>>>folks!!
>>
>>As the Glass-disser, let me just say that I liked him a lot about 10
>>years ago.
>>
>>"It is good to be open minded, but not so open minded that your brain
>> falls out of your head." - Carl Sagan
>
>grow up ray

Hahaha, you guys are too much.
I do not listen to Glass music, because I do not feel it does any good to me
 - but lets not mesure mindopenness with it, please.

Any music makes sense in the right context, no music in every.

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 23:05:50 -0800 (PST)
From: erik simpson <eriks@on-ramp.ior.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Alert and formal delurk
Message-Id: <m0vU5yI-001K46C@on-ramp.ior.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 05:09 AM 11/30/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Just in case someone still wants one, the Guitar Center "December Deal
>Days" catalog announces a "Last Chance On Lexicon Price Breakthrough!"
>on the Vortex at $149.99.  Presumably, they have enough left to warrant
>the catalog space.  They also advertise the DOD DFX94 4-second
>sampler/delay stompbox for $120-- can anyone give a real-world review
>of this unit?  Is it worth the money?

As a newly de-lurking reader, could someone kindly fill me in on the Vortex.
I have been using a JamMan w/32 sec upgrade since spring and would like to
know how the Vortex compares, differs, etc. I almost got the Vortex instead
of the JamMan but my income tax return only allowed for one or the other,
and a sudden price shift in the Musicians Friend catalog decided it for me,
but I have often wondered what I missed out on. I am assuming, due to their
absence from recent catalogs and remarks made on this list, that the Vortex
is an endangered species. Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,
-----
erik reid simpson 
eriks@on-ramp.ior.com
http://www.ior.com/~eriks

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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 05:41:49 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Alert and formal delurk
Message-id: <01ICHGORLR5U970NTO@delphi.com>
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
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I wrote,

>>Just in case someone still wants one, the Guitar Center "December Deal
>>Days" catalog announces a "Last Chance On Lexicon Price Breakthrough!"
>>on the Vortex at $149.99.

Patrick Smith wrote,

>Can you give me a phone number for them. I already have one Vortex, but at
>this price I'm tempted to buy another.....

And several others made similar inquiries, by private email as well as
the list.

Guitar Center apparently has no central 800 number except for their
"MIDI by mail" music software sales.  However, the addresses and phone
numbers of each of their 28 stores are available at their Web site,

http://www.musician.com

They also allow both ordering online and asking online for a telephone
callback.

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/

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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 05:42:04 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Alert and formal delurk
Message-id: <01ICHGOZP8ZS970NTO@delphi.com>
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Erik Simpson wrote, in part,

>As a newly de-lurking reader, could someone kindly fill me in on the
>Vortex.

Erik,

Here's the short answer:

The Vortex is a stereo-capable signal processor which includes a
pair of delays, a pair of modulators, and an envelope follower,
which can be configured in a variety of ways.  It stores 16 pairs
of factory patches and 16 user-programmable patch pairs.  What makes
it totally different from most other processors is its capacity
to "morph" between the two patches in each pair, either with an
expression pedal or by programming a morph duration (which can be
up to ten seconds) and using a footswitch.  Some seriously twisted
things can happen during the morph, and the envelope follower can
make things even stranger.  The two delays can be cascaded for a total
maximum delay time of 1.846 seconds; tempo can be tapped in with a
footswitch; and it can be configured as a looping sampler.  It can
also be used more conventionally, as flanger, chorus, tremelo, and in
combinations. 

List price was $478; steep, IMO, for a non-MIDI controllable processor.
Apparently it was poorly marketed to boot, in that Lexicon failed to
make its capabilities clear.  My impression (after only three weeks)
is that it may take years to find the bottom of this box.

Since I've had mine for such a short time, I'm certainly no authority.
You can read the same user reports that seduced me into buying mine at

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/archive/filtered/Vortex.html

including exerpts from Lexicon's Vortex Application Notes, kindly posted
by Todd Madson (who apparently has the Only Known Copy In The World).

There's a little more about it on the newborn Delays & Loops page at my
Website, and the sordid and shameless tale of my acquisition of a
Vortex is told on my Gear Acquisition Syndrome page. ;-/

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/
 

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Date: Mon, 02 Dec 96 12:32:59 CST
From: "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMaster.Com>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, Todd.Madson@spica.LaserMaster.Com
Subject: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-Id: <9611028495.AA849558907@ccmailgate.LaserMaster.Com>

Hi kids - I've been very busy lately so no time to correspond, much less to get
my "ghosts" track ready for the compilation CD.  I've probably missed out on the
chance to get it submitted I'll wager.

Regarding the Vortex - the more that I play with it the more that I determine
it's one of the better pieces of gear I've ever bought.

I'm looking towards selling a bunch of lame stompboxes I have and buying another
since Vortexing a Vortex could be truly amazing.

As far as Vortex Applications Notes - 
I now have a computer at home.  I'm very tempted to convert this document to
HTML and then submit it here (or at my web site) so all of you with Vortex
units can try the things that Lexicon suggests is possible.  If interested,
let me know.

Tardily yours,
Todd Madson

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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 04:46:20 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Implied music
Message-Id: <199612022246.OAA57350@scv1.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Last night I'd been working on some loops, using a DOD 3.6sec delay and 
my Vortex.  Typically I build a simple loop, lock that in, and then play 
on top until something else suggests itself, add that in, etc.  After an 
hour or so, I wandered into the living room to see what my housemates 
were doing, and I left the loop cycling away in the next room.  There 
were watching a movie on TV, and as I sat there, I could still hear the 
loop.  It sounded as if the loop was changing, violins, voices, all sorts 
of things coming out of it.  At times, it reminded me of north African 
singing, even though I knew what the loop "really" sounded like.  There 
wasn't any music in the background of the movie, but it seemed to me that 
this aural "mirage" was the result of interferance between dialog, people 
in the room talking, and the loop.  It was quite beautiful.  

I've found the same sort of thing when I listen to Lou Reed's "Metal 
Machine Music", a record frequently described as one of the most 
unlistenable collections of sonic information ever assembled.  I believe 
Lester Bangs said that it could clear any party out in under three 
minutes.  Naturally, when I heard that I said "Whoa! Gotta get me one of 
those!"  It is very harsh, and seems to be the result of overloading a 
bunch of amplifiers and guitars and every chain of the recording process, 
and then multitracking it.  It just starts, and goes on for 16 minutes a 
side (did I mention it's a double record), with no form or apparent 
planning.  I think I read that he wasn't in the room--just turned 
everything on, ran tape for an hour, and chopped it into four pieces.  
When I listened to that, I heard the same sort of 
violiny-Lygetti-transmissions-from-space sort of sound.  Of course, 
everyone else looked at me as if I was crazy, which I suppose we can't 
discount.

After I bought that record (I'd also purchased My Bloody Valentine's 
second album around the same time), I wanted to explore regenerative 
music systems, so I loaded up my guitar into two or three distortion 
boxes, a chorus, a flanger, whatever else I had sitting around, and then 
into a two-second delay (the great Digitech big blue box), and then into 
a recently acquired Boss Delay/Pitch Shift box (the half-rack model from 
the microstudio series).  The Boss unit does around 800ms of delay, but 
the most interesting part is the Reverse setting (not very common at the 
time), which can also be combined with pitchshifting.  I found that if I 
set it an octave up, reversed, and then turned up the amp moderately 
loud, the whole system would burble on in a self-directed manner.  I'd 
just sit the guitar on it's stand, turn everything on, and let it start 
feeding back.  Every now and then I'd tap the body or flick the strings 
behind the nut to introduce some random information into the loop/system. 
 The pickups were also fairly microphonic at that point, due to the huge 
amount of gain, and so loud sounds could also be picked up--such as 
handclaps, loud music from my stereo, me yelling into the pickups, and so 
on.  After a while, I'd go sit out on the porch and listen to it mixed in 
with the sounds of cars going by, enjoying the worried looks of 
passers-by.  I found that turning the amp in a different direction also 
had an effect on what happened, probably because the room I was in had 
high ceilings, no carpet and was decently sized.

Maybe this is a little off-subject for the group, but I thought I'd 
delurk.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 17:59:26 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-id: <01ICJKQNETJC987PFQ@delphi.com>
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Todd Madson wrote, in part,

>As far as Vortex Applications Notes - 
>I now have a computer at home.  I'm very tempted to convert this document to
>HTML and then submit it here (or at my web site) so all of you with Vortex
>units can try the things that Lexicon suggests is possible.  If interested,
>let me know.

Oh, yes, please!  The excerpts you've already posted gave me a huge
jumpstart. :-)

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/

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Date: 02 Dec 96 17:59:04 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-ID: <961202225903_100041.247_JHB105-1@CompuServe.COM>

> I now have a computer at home.  I'm very tempted to convert this document
> to HTML and then submit it here (or at my web site) so all of you with
> Vortex units can try the things that Lexicon suggests is possible.
> If interested, let me know.
 
are you kidding? of *course* we're interested!! :-)
(I hope submitting it here won't raise any difficult copyright questions.)
 
I still have problems with the Vortex - the few really interesting and
useful sounds I got out of it I found by blind trial and error, which is a
very tiresome method because most of the time the sounds aren't very
interesting (they sound to me like just another chorus/echo combination).
I still don't *understand* how it works. (This is largely due to lack time
plus my laziness which keep me from wading through the algorithm
descriptions.)
 
Getting a few more concrete ideas might help to really get a grip on it.
I still believe there is much more in there than it seems.
 
-Michael
 

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:44:46 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961202173723.6153A-100000@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On 2 Dec 1996, Michael Peters wrote:

> I still have problems with the Vortex - the few really interesting and
> useful sounds I got out of it I found by blind trial and error, which is a
> very tiresome method because most of the time the sounds aren't very
> interesting (they sound to me like just another chorus/echo combination).

That's funny -- practically all of my user registers are filled with some 
of the most bizarre, brain-bending, stomach-turning things I've ever heard.

> I still don't *understand* how it works. (This is largely due to lack time
> plus my laziness which keep me from wading through the algorithm
> descriptions.)

I don't *understand* it that much either, to tell you the truth.  There 
are a couple of very bizarre patches that seem to have minds of their 
own, and behave in unpredictable ways.  My approach is usually along the 
lines of, "HMMM, let's see what this thing does if I turn X control to Y 
settings..." and then behold the onslaught.

The big problem (and the great thing about the box, as well) is that since
every single effect responds differently to the same general family of
settings, memorizing what a certain control setting does is only good for
that particular patch.  So turning up depth 2 has a very different result
on the escalator-over-the-seesaw pitch-shift thingie than it does on the
robot-gargling-salt-water jobbie. 

I'm reluctant to post too many patches, partially because of time and
partically because they're so wierd that I'm hesitant to give them away. 
Besides, there's no great secret; all you have to do is sit down with each
effect and tweek parameters 'till the cows come home.  You might be 
surprised -- I still can't believe this is the same box I demoed at 
Guitar Center.

--Andre

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:57:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Stew Benedict <benedict@netcom.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.961202175602.3142A-100000@moe.aysnet.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

HTML'ing it would be great Todd!  If you have access to a scanner or
copier and need/want any help, I'd be willing to pitch in.

Stew Benedict

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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:48:15 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Implied music
Message-Id: <v01520d00aec962dc46e1@[200.254.32.102]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Loved your arrival, Travis!

I read your fascinating storry and heared the sounds of the looped feed
back guitar and the fed back loop guitar and when I managed to get up I
went to my guitar to play some such sound. But the Plex had its Feedback
LED orange all the time (which fits into your story) but did not work at
all.
Since I know from long years that such errors should be fixed on the spot
but have to be understood similar to a hurting back that should not be
fixed by surgery but through a change in live - I played without loop.
I played the oposit of what I had heared: A never repeating combination of
strange clean chords, mostly unknown to me. And I felt like creating most
intelligent music, finally liberated from the cave of the limiting
repetitions...

:-)

Then I switched the plex on again and it still had the same orange LED. So
I disconnected it totaly and switched it on again - and it worked normal
again.
I knew I had "fixed" it and plugged all in again and it still worked normal.
Anyone ever seen that bug?



Seriously: Does anyone know of any composed or similar sounding harmonic
music that has no repetition in it, not even variations of a theme, just a
development in certain mood, softly changing?
Is that worthless or revolutionary or just a diletantic lack of aim and
structure?
Isn't the lack of structure a concept which has the same value as a structure?

So that was the effect your story had on me, Travis. Disapointed?

Thank you
Matthias

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Date: 03 Dec 96 11:56:31 EST
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-ID: <961203165631_74074.1316_GHQ121-2@CompuServe.COM>

>> I now have a computer at home.  I'm very tempted to convert this document
>> to HTML and then submit it here (or at my web site) so all of you with
>> Vortex units can try the things that Lexicon suggests is possible.
>> If interested, let me know.
 
>are you kidding? of *course* we're interested!! :-)
>(I hope submitting it here won't raise any difficult copyright questions.)

Don't get concerned about the copyright area--they're not concerned so you
shouldn't be. It was never a big deal, and frankly somebody ought to put them on
a website since Lex's management seem to be convinced that a website is a *bad*
thing. (No kidding).

There are a few decent notes in there, some of them I did myself. Todd: I'm
going to do some digging to see if I have the original text files here (I wrote
them at home, but final assembly was at the office, so....) Anyway, this may be
a big time saver for you if I can score the files.

Cheers!
Jon Durant

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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 11:31:36 +0000
From: James Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Implied music
Message-ID: <32A40F93.4198@interaccess.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Seriously: Does anyone know of any composed or similar sounding harmoni=
c
> music that has no repetition in it, not even variations of a theme, jus=
t a
> development in certain mood, softly changing?

Scoenberg, Farben (Colors) in his 5 Orchesterst=FCcke (Orchestral
pieces). It's only 3:20 long, but very nice.  Its a single=20
somewhat dissonant chord that goes through an unrepeating series
of slow timbral shifts. The rest of the CD I have it on (Deutsche
Grammophon 419 781-2) is very different, but very good also.


Jim

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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 96 14:17:00 CST
From: "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMaster.Com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ToddM@lasermaster.com
Subject: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-Id: <9611038496.AA849651639@ccmailgate.LaserMaster.Com>

Jon:

Sounds cool to me - you can e-mail them to me at crash@waste.org or
todd.madson@lasermaster.com.  

Also, if you have other ideas that didn't make it to the applications
notes (i.e. - "this setting is too twisted for customers, we can't 
possibly publish this!") by all means send them on.

I've already got some great stuff not in the manual (already passed
to this list of course) and have messed with the box quite a bit to
get it to do bizzarre things to good effect.

Take it easy.
Todd Madson.


>Message was resent -- Original recipients were:
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com"
<Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
>> I now have a computer at home.  I'm very tempted to convert this document
>> to HTML and then submit it here (or at my web site) so all of you with
>> Vortex units can try the things that Lexicon suggests is possible.
>> If interested, let me know.
 
>are you kidding? of *course* we're interested!! :-)
>(I hope submitting it here won't raise any difficult copyright questions.)

Don't get concerned about the copyright area--they're not concerned so you
shouldn't be. It was never a big deal, and frankly somebody ought to put them on
a website since Lex's management seem to be convinced that a website is a *bad*
thing. (No kidding).

There are a few decent notes in there, some of them I did myself. Todd: I'm
going to do some digging to see if I have the original text files here (I wrote
them at home, but final assembly was at the office, so....) Anyway, this may be
a big time saver for you if I can score the files.

Cheers!
Jon Durant



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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:11:57 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Implied music
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Me:
>> Seriously: Does anyone know of any composed or similar sounding harmonic
>> music that has no repetition in it, not even variations of a theme, just =
a
>> development in certain mood, softly changing?

Jim:
>Scoenberg, Farben (Colors) in his 5 Orchesterst=FCcke (Orchestral
>pieces). It's only 3:20 long, but very nice.  Its a single
>somewhat dissonant chord that goes through an unrepeating series
>of slow timbral shifts. The rest of the CD I have it on (Deutsche
>Grammophon 419 781-2) is very different, but very good also.

That sounds *also* very interesting!
What I meant is apparently not "experimental" at all. Imagine for example a
Bossa Nova or a Jazz piano piece with usual sound and harmonies, just that
they never return to a similar sequence, maybe not even to the base tone
(if such exists). A linear composition, somehow.
Since this is the oposite of what we usually talk about, it might not even
be off topic :-)

Matthias

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