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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 29

Today's Topics:
  Why Vortex flopped...?                [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  re:Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes   [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  Re: implied rhythms                   [ Eric Cook <ecook@conch.aa.msen.com> ]
  Re[4]: Vortex Applications Notes      [ "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMas ]
  Why Vortex flopped...?                [ Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuSer ]
  Re: Why Vortex flopped...?            [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  Re: Why Vortex flopped...?            [ Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net> ]
  Vortex Applications Notes             [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Implied music                         [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Re: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes  [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Re: Vortex                            [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Re: Why Vortex flopped...?            [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Re: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes  [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr ) ]
  Re: re:Re[2]: Vortex Applications No  [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr ) ]
  Vortex again;;;                       [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Re: Vortex again;;;                   [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr ) ]
  Echoplex system version?              [ jspeer@haverford.edu ]
  Vortex / LXP-5                        [ KRosser414@aol.com ]
  Re: Echoplex system version?          [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  Echoplex problems -- help             [ "Henry I. Bornstein" <73134.1041@Co ]
  Vortex                                [ Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski,  ]

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:55:57 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Why Vortex flopped...?
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Some thoughts...

-- As has been commonly mentioned here before, the factory presets don't
do the unit any sort of justice.  Not only is the selection of basic
effects pretty tame, but the actual effects level is far too subtle to be
noticed in a guitar store environment.  Like I said, there was little if
anything in the factory sounds to suggest that the unit was capable of
some of the things it can actually do; most of the stock patches sounded
like a good chorus/delay unit with a lousy control interface.  The subtle
velocity-sensitive bits and stereo panning details will never come across
in Guitar Center, even under the best of circumstances.  And most of the
preset pairs are so similar that I didn't even know I was engaging
morphing most of the time. 

-- The interface is rather non-intuitive.  When I first tried it out, I 
must have spent about ten minutes putzing around hitting buttons and 
trying to figure out what was happening.  I finally asked for a user's 
manual, and still couldn't work my way through without trying to sit down 
and thoroughly read through the booklet from the start -- no chance in a 
crowded music store.

There are three reasons I sprang for a Vortex: the price was very cheap, 
there was a 30-day return policy on the box, and it came very highly 
recommended from this list and from the likes of David Torn.  If *any* of 
these three conditions hadn't have been in effect, I probably wouldn't 
have snatched the unit up.  Even after I did pick it up, there was still 
a definite period of time where I was thinking, "Hmmm, don't know if I'll 
be keeping *this* thing."  Only after I spent several hours sitting down 
with the manual and manually exploring the possibilities of each 
individual preset (a process I'm still far from done with) was I 
convinced that this was a great device.

I'd have to say that the main problems were/are failure to demonstrate the
depth of the unit's potential in the presets, and a user interface that
requires a unit-specific understanding and approach, which in the long run
is one of the truly great aspects of the box but in the short term is
something that most anyone (especially Joe on the Street consumer) is
going to be hard-pressed to do in a standard music store environment. 
(The inability of many music store employees to deal with a processor that
doesn't fall into the standard chorus/delay/reverb multi-fx routine does
little to help matters either). 

Too bad, since it's such a great box.  Ah well...

--Andre

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:59:15 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: re:Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes
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On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Bret Moreland wrote:

> What is the pedal?  Is this included or do I provide it?  Is there 
> anything else I should add to the Vortex to make it more useful?

There's a jack on the back of the unit that lets you plug in a controller 
pedal (not included) to regulate just about any effects parameter.

The Vortex vets on here probably won't believe this, but after having 
had the unit for a couple of months and having used it in two or three 
performances, I *still* haven't tried plugging a pedal into the thing.  
I'm sure it'll increase the possibilities exponentially -- which is maybe 
one reason why I'm holding off on it until after finals week.

--Andre

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:04:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Cook <ecook@conch.aa.msen.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: implied rhythms
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.92.961205133604.10065A-100000@conch.aa.msen.com>
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On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Sarajanes wrote:

>
>                                   Somewhere in the midst of considering
>     issues addressed in E. Cook's thoughts on drumming with loops, and
>     the more recent "implied music" post, I found myself uneasy with the
>     seeming dichotomy of these two texts as they related to the
>     description of musical events.

I'm not sure if the dichotomy is as strong as you feel it to be, but let's
continue.

(I'm understanding you to mean a dichotomy between
"accidental"/"implied" and "premeditated"/"explicitly conceieved"
composition, yes?)

> The "linguistics & semantics" game
>     has always annoyed me as a person who plays music by ear, and who
>     could not stomach the scholasticism that musical instruction and
>     theory always seem to be anchored in.


This is a problem, yes ("language and semantics"), especially in areas,
like, say, looping material, where some of the standard rules of notation,
rhythm, and such forth are bent, or just plain inapplicable.
Yet, if you want to talk about the music, you have to at least passively
confront this issue, as it's bound to come up sooner or later.

>     "play along" as it where, but for me at least the notions expressed
>     in "drumming with loops" seem far less viable than the plan of
>     attack presented in "implied music".

And here's where I think the dichotomy is pointed out to not be so large.
What I was presenting was just a collection of "rules of thumb" that have
worked for me, in a practical sense, over the years as a largely
self-taught musician.  That whole discussion, in some tangential fashion,
came out of a prior discussion on the role of asynchronous loops and the
importance of accepting the "happy accident".  The more recent thread on
"implied music", to me, continued the asynch/happy accident train of
thought, and I agreed with it to the point that I felt no need to add
anything.

The mistake, I think, is taking the suggestions that I presented on
drumming w/loops as a set of rules, an ideology, whereas it was just a few
tips, and perhaps places to start for a conceptually blocked percussionist
to start thinking about ways to approach their musical partner's looping.



>     I know "different strokes for
>     different folks" and all

Less this, I think (as that sort of winds up trivializing what any and all
of us do, if it's all "equally good for someone, somewhere"), than
"different approaches for different pieces".  A piece of music with one
set of goals can and should be set up differently than a piece with a
differing set of goals.  The form of the piece should be determined by
it's content, I think. [And you can read "form" in the broadest sense,
from choices of instrumentation, to approaches of composition, from
completely intuitive, to completely scored/organized].


>     I'm still just looking for music, and I have
>     always believed that along with rhythm, it will present itself.
>

I agree, with this, and many of the other points you've raised.  There's
just more than one way that it will present itself, and more than one way
to deal with it once it does.


Good comments, Bryan, thanks.


--Eric Cook                 ecook@mail.msen.com
  Gravitar-Guy              http://www.msen.com/~ecook/gravitar.html

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 14:03:54 CST
From: "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMaster.Com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ToddM@lasermaster.com
Subject: Re[4]: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-Id: <9611058498.AA849823511@ccmailgate.LaserMaster.Com>

Vortex Pedals?

What's that?  Just kidding.  I also have not plugged one in - I'm hoping
for a Christmas pedal excursion.  More news as it develops.

Todd.

P.S. I have actually used the A-B channel switching capabilities to
switch channels on my Mesa Boogie preamp.  It's the slickest thing
I've ever seen in my life.  One footswitch now controls dozens of
parameters on my rig.  To quote guitar player: my rig can now "make
theoretical mathemeticians have option anxiety" (yes, they were 
talking about Torn's rig, but mine is getting there.


> The Vortex vets on here probably won't believe this, but after having 
> had the unit for a couple of months and having used it in two or three 
> performances, I *still* haven't tried plugging a pedal into the thing.  
> I'm sure it'll increase the possibilities exponentially -- which is maybe 
> one reason why I'm holding off on it until after finals week.

> --Andre


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Date: 05 Dec 96 15:12:06 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Why Vortex flopped...?
Message-ID: <961205201205_100041.247_JHB66-1@CompuServe.COM>

> Only after I spent several hours sitting down with the manual and manually
> exploring the possibilities of each individual preset (a process I'm still
> far from done with) was I convinced that this was a great device.
 
Ok, now, Vortex-users-who-have-managed-to-find-interesting-sounds, *please*
do us beginners a favor and upload your favorite *wild* patches! I've listed
the parameter names below, you just need to fill in the numbers!
 
If enough patches are submitted, I'll make a web page for Vortex patches,
or at least collect them on the Vortex thread page.
 
-Michael
 
- ----------------------------
Patch name ..
Preset # ....
 
Mix .........
Output ......
 
Mod FX Lvl ..
Echo FX Lvl .
Morph A/B ...
Envelope ....
 
Echo 1 ......
Echo 2 ......
Feedback 1 ..
Feedback 2 ..
 
Rate 1 ......
Depth 1 .....
Resonance 1 .
 
Rate 2 ......
Depth 2 .....
Resonance 2 .
- ----------------------------
 

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:10:54 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Why Vortex flopped...?
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On 5 Dec 1996, Michael Peters wrote:

> Ok, now, Vortex-users-who-have-managed-to-find-interesting-sounds, *please*
> do us beginners a favor and upload your favorite *wild* patches! I've listed
> the parameter names below, you just need to fill in the numbers!

OK, I can submit at least one or two.  But it'll have to wait until I've 
got time to set the hardware up and take down the approrpiate notes; 
probably not until around this time next week.  (Finals and all).

'Till then,

--Andre

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:30:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Why Vortex flopped...?
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I wonder if the Vortex would have been better marketed as a "Try it
for 30 days" bit instead.  And I'll agree, it was priced too high,
considering it was competing with some very full-featured (if
mind-bogglingly dull and generic) multi-effects from other companies. 

I dunno about the EH16 of the 90s, though.  After all, I got to the
bottom of my EH16 pretty quickly.  Sometimes I don't feel I've even
scratched the surface of the Vortex.  

Unfortunately, I've had little time to work with the Vortex since I
got good pickups installed in my acoustic guitar.  Using it with the
acoustic is a whole new ball game.  The sharp, percussive attack and
wide dynamic range of the acoustic guitar feels very different from
the electric, especially distorted electric.  I do miss wrapping
clouds of ambience around sustaining notes, though.   Maybe I'll
figure out some way to get good distortion again... 

-dave

By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete.
Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. 
Venus De Milo.
To a child she is ugly.       /* dstagner@icarus.net */
   -Charles Fort              

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:57:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-Id: <199612060657.WAA19829@pure.PureAtria.COM>

"Todd Madson" writes:
>Hi kids - I've been very busy lately so no time to correspond, much less to get
>my "ghosts" track ready for the compilation CD.  I've probably missed out on the
>chance to get it submitted I'll wager.

Nope.  I don't have enough stuff to fill the disk yet.  Keep those
contributions coming!

Ray Peck
24653 Summerhill Ave
Los Altos, CA 94024

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:23:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Implied music
Message-Id: <199612060723.XAA20944@pure.PureAtria.COM>

>After a while, I'd go sit out on the porch and listen to it mixed in 
>with the sounds of cars going by, enjoying the worried looks of 
>passers-by.  I found that turning the amp in a different direction also 
>had an effect on what happened, probably because the room I was in had 
>high ceilings, no carpet and was decently sized.
>
>Maybe this is a little off-subject for the group, but I thought I'd 
>delurk.
>
>Travis Hartnett

Not at all: it was one of my favorite posts ever sent to the list.

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:50:51 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes
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Jon Durant wrote:

[a fascinating history of the Vortex]

Jon, thanks very much for taking the time to lay it out.

>As you can see, this box has so much it's hard to imagine people not
>getting it.

For me, even the small percentage of its unique features that I've used
so far warrant my purchase. :-)

>BTW: The GC blow-out deal makes Lexicon $0 per unit. GC bought them at
>Lex's cost to remove them from inventory. GC makes about $20/unit. Good
>profit, huh?

This strongly suggests to me that if the list price had been $350-390,
and the street price $269-299, the box might have sold and everyone
in the chain would have made some bucks.

>(I can still hear the dirisive laughter from my friends at
Digidreck.)

You touch a nerve here, my friend.  When I first saw the first ad for
the JamAccomplice, my heart leapt in my bosom--here was everything I
wanted in a delay unit ('cept that chromatic tuner :-> ).  Then, that
selfsame pump sank like a stone as I read, down at the very bottom,
those dread words:  "A Harman International Company."

I had just been through a very bitter year attempting (unsuccessfully)
to have a birth defect in my GFX-1 preamp repaired under warranty--
a unit which I was enticed to buy by advertising and an owners manual
that were full of misstatements, untruths, prevarications, falsehoods,
lies, damned lies, and (just possibly) one or two mistakes (details
available upon request).  Much as I ached (and still do) for a
JamCompadre, I resolved never to buy from that company again, and I
would not have bought the Vortex if GC hadn't practically shoved it
into my hands.

If the Vortex holds up, or if any problems I have with it are properly
repaired, then maybe I'll be able to let myself think about getting
a JamHomme.

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:51:04 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex
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Mickey Angel and Dave Stagner raised questions about expression pedals
for the Vortex.

Not owning one or having the money for one, I converted a mono volume
pedal for the purpose by inserting the mono plugs of a stereo Y-cord
into the pedal, and the stereo plug into the Vortex.  Works fine. :-)
If it doesn't work at first (it didn't for me), swap the mono plugs.

Dave wrote, in part:

>If you find a good expression pedal, let us know, okay?  I'm currently
>using a modified ADA expression pedal, but I can't get it to sweep
>completely from 1-64.  Generally, it doesn't go below 12-13 at the low
>end, which is irritating.

That would drive me crazy-- my current favorite Vortexture is a strong,
simple rhythmic loop in Deja Vu B with Envelope set (by pedal) to 3 or 4,
letting a wash of sound build up gradually.

You might be able to fix your ADA pedal just by opening it up, loosening
the pot's retaining nut and rotating the pot so that it cuts off
completely.

Since the low end of the control range is so important to me, I'm
contemplating adding a fixed resistor in series with the top end of
the pot, along with a bypass switch so I can have it both ways.  As
it is now, I have much more accurate control over the top end.

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:51:15 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Why Vortex flopped...?
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Dave Stagner wrote, regarding use of the Vortex with acoustic guitar:

>I do miss wrapping clouds of ambience around sustaining notes, though.
>Maybe I'll figure out some way to get good distortion again...

My very first exploration of the Vortex was with an acoustic, equipped
with both piezo and magnetic pickups.  I ran the piezo into the Vortex,
and the magnetic into a distortion stompbox; outputs to a mixer.  It
was glorious!

I use stainless steel strings on everything, including acoustic guitar;
they last much longer, are much better balanced through a magnetic
pickup than bronze, and are much brighter than regular nickel electric
guitar strings.  They definitely sound different than bronze; only you
can decide whether the difference is acceptable to you.

For heavy distortion, I suggest the worst soundhole pickup you can find--
something that's all midrange honk (like most electric guitar humbuckers
sound to me!)  My original Lawrence FT-145s are too good; for my next
round of acoustic experiments, I'll use a really crappy George L's with
no highs at all, and fairly high output.  It gave me wonderful distortion
last time I tried it, before I had the Vortex.

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:10:57 GMT
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr )
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-Id: <5323.199612061110@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>I had just been through a very bitter year attempting (unsuccessfully)
>to have a birth defect in my GFX-1 preamp repaired under warranty--
>a unit which I was enticed to buy by advertising and an owners manual
>that were full of misstatements, untruths, prevarications, falsehoods,
>lies, damned lies, and (just possibly) one or two mistakes (details
>available upon request).

Isn't that the "Twin Tube" model?  I'm curious.  Consider this a request!

Michael

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes      Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979        University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
        "Everything in moderation, including moderation" (Zen Proverb)

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:13:09 GMT
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr )
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: re:Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-Id: <5452.199612061113@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Andre,
      Finally (yes, it takes this long to get to the UK) saw the GP article.
Pretty damned impressive!  Congratulations!

Michael,
pretty damned jealous!  :)

 

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes      Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979        University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
        "Everything in moderation, including moderation" (Zen Proverb)

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:13:56 +0100 (MET)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex again;;;
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961206150900.21192A-100000@lovelace.infobiogen.fr>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

GRRR! it happens reading you all enthusiast Vortex user i'm the only one
that bought one on faith reading looping delight, and having from GC a
unit that is dead, and won't be covered by warranty because I live outside
the US. I wish I could have a bleen effect you all talked about, I wish
"orbits" would exist on mine... I wish I could have register parts to keep
in memory my stuff.... But i'm stuck with only 8 preset instead of 16....

Grrrr again....

Olivier Malhomme

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:31:07 GMT
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr )
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex again;;;
Message-Id: <12977.199612061531@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
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>GRRR! it happens reading you all enthusiast Vortex user i'm the=
 only one
>that bought one on faith reading looping delight, and having from=
 GC a
>unit that is dead, and won't be covered by warranty because I live=
 outside
>the US. I wish I could have a bleen effect you all talked about,=
 I wish
>"orbits" would exist on mine... I wish I could have register parts=
 to keep
>in memory my stuff.... But i'm stuck with only 8 preset instead=
 of 16....

This is worrying... I've been considering buying a GC Vortex if I=
 can raise
the capital (it's =A390 rather than best-UK price of =A3250), but=
 I don't know
if they'll just figure out "it's outside the warranty area" and ship=
 me a
dud.  Any ideas?

Just as a repost, how do you seect patches on a Vortex during performance?=
=20
I have heard repeated mentions that it's not MIDI.  If so, are you=
 stuck
with using up/down pedals?  Please help me with this one.

Michael

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes      Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine=
 Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979        University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12=
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:08:10 -0500
From: jspeer@haverford.edu
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Echoplex system version?
Message-Id: <9612061606.AA02565@acc>

Can anyone help me with Echoplex?  I am considering buying one, but I would
like to be sure that I am buying the latest version of the system.  What
are the distinuishing marks or phrases or insignia that I should look for? 
Thanks!
Jim

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My Town: Philadelphia!

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:48:07 -0500
From: KRosser414@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex / LXP-5
Message-ID: <961206134806_940213546@emout17.mail.aol.com>

I've been following the recent Vortex discussion with some curiosity - I got
mine about a year ago thinking I'd be able to tweeze a lot of really weird
custom sounds out of it (which I have done), but much to my surprise I liked
the chorus/delay/vibrato/flanging/leslie/etc. stuff on it so much it ended up
replacing about four floor pedals dedicated to that stuff.  Pretty amazing
little box.  I also love how warm it sounds with the guitar signal.

 I have a Lexicon LXP-5 I'm not having as good luck with.  Not only is it a
pain in the ass to program, but I can't seem to get rid of the shrill
"digital-ness" of the guitar sound through it, and I don't want to be
cluttering up the signal more with some post-effect EQ or such.  I do like
the fact that it does infinite loops that you can lock in and then play over,
as well as a pitch shifter that's in tune in all octaves without any warbling
or slap-back, but I don't like what it does to the tone.
Maybe I just need to figure out the internal workings a little better, but
it's a tough nut to crack, programming-wise.  Maybe it was more intended for
studio use rather than as a guitar effect?

Ken R

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:47:05 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex system version?
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961206114443.18403B-100000@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Fri, 6 Dec 1996 jspeer@haverford.edu wrote:

> Can anyone help me with Echoplex?  I am considering buying one, but I would
> like to be sure that I am buying the latest version of the system.  What
> are the distinuishing marks or phrases or insignia that I should look for? 
> Thanks!
> Jim

There's only one version of the Plex currently on the market (unless you
find one of the first 100 or so manufactured.  If the LED indicator reads
"3.0" on power-up, it's one of the very first.  If it reads "3.2", it's
after that.  Get the 3.2 edition.)  The software upgrade is still tied up
in contractual limbo at Gibson/Oberheim. 

--Andre

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Date: 06 Dec 96 16:23:47 EST
From: "Henry I. Bornstein" <73134.1041@CompuServe.COM>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Echoplex problems -- help
Message-ID: <961206212347_73134.1041_EHJ130-1@CompuServe.COM>

I'm having two problems with my echoplexes. Any help would be greatly
appreciated:

1)  If I try to use Brother sync between the two machines, it works for a while,
but then crashes and one or both machines lock up.  I talked to someone who said
there was a hardware update available that might solve this.  Has anyone had
this problem, and does anyone know about this hardware update?

2) I've been unsuccessful in attempting to archive loops by sending them via
Midi Sample Dump Standard to a MAC computer running Alchemy software.  I am able
to send the sample to the computer successfully, but when I attempt to download
it to the Echoplex, I get an error message that says "insufficient memory."
I"ve got plenty of memory in the computer, and this has happened for the
shortest loops when the echoplex had 120 secs of free memory. From what I can
tell, the Alchemy error message is the one that comes up if the sampler is out
of memory, as I have been able to reproduce the message when I attempt to send
to another sampler that is  fully loaded.    Has anyone been able to download
from a computer using SDS?  It would be great if I could get this to work.

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:10:33 -0500
From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex
Message-Id: <v01520d01aece4a02689b@[205.216.96.77]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Just got a Vortex and am wondering if there is a way to bypass it other
than using a footswitch ... in other words if it is in my rig and always
has signal going thru it, how might I turn it off, while maintaining signal
going thru

paul

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