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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 31

Today's Topics:
  Re: Vortex again;;;                   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Vortex / LXP-5                    [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Bon Reminder                          [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ]
  Re: Vortex / LXP-5                    [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Fripp and the Plex                    [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  Re: Fripp and the Plex                [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Bon Reminder                          [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Acoustic Loopers?                     [ "Greg & Sandee West" <gdwest@anc.ak ]
  Re: Echoplex problems -- help         [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Echoplex usability ( was Re: Vortex/  [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: Why Vortex flopped...?            [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: Acoustic Loopers?                 [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Ground Control                        [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  Bon Lozaga...Deep Purple Loops...!!?  [ andre <andre@monmouth.com> ]

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:21:00 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex again;;;
Message-Id: <v01520d02aecf461c3f2e@[200.254.32.114]>
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>GRRR! But i'm stuck with only 8 preset instead of 16....
>
>Grrrr again....
>
>Olivier Malhomme


<toc toc on the shoulder> Yes I know what it feels like to have to live
outside of US, speaking a wrong language, earning less, but paying a lot
more for the gear   -  (with 1$ i get 2 ananas or 30 oranges or 50 bananas,
though, hihi).

So what can we do to ungrrrr our good old friend?

Jon dedicated a long lament to you, in the end of october, a part of which is:

>The program select knob appears to be
>slightly problematic. Apparently there's an issue regarding this knob, the
>details of which I know nothing, but I experienced the same difficulties on my
>Vortex, JamMan and Alex (all of which use the same pot). I thought it was just
>my prototypes, but apparently not... Word is, it's an easy fix, and they
>turn it
>around pretty quickly.

Since there must be one line, which we call the highest bit or MSB, that
switches between the lower and higher half of the programs, that one line
should be possible to detect:
Probably there are 5 lines going to the switch. One is the +5V and the
others flip when switching. The lowest switches every step, the next every
second, the next after 4, ...8,    and then the one you are looking for. If
it flips too, there is a problem on the electronic side, might be more
complicated. If it stays on ground (0V) there is a short cirquit along it
or within the switch. If its always at +5V the switch does not do its
action. In both cases, a solution can be to use a separate simple switch
that pulls that very line to ground and thus lets you select between the
uper or lower half of the programs...

And you will have a "customized" Vortex!

So stopp beeing angry, get your voltmeter out, unscrew it all...

Another way:
Jon: don't you have an email adress of a person a Lex who knows that bug
and would tell me? Certainly, exchanging the part is the serious solution,
but there usually is another one (as I experience here, living in the wrong
country, too) which is not much worse and causes less trouble and waste.

Matthias

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:21:06 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex / LXP-5
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> I have a Lexicon LXP-5 I'm not having as good luck with.  Not only is it a
>pain in the ass to program, but I can't seem to get rid of the shrill
>"digital-ness" of the guitar sound through it, ...Maybe it was more
>intended for
>studio use rather than as a guitar effect?

No, its rather "too old" to be that good.

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 15:45:34 -0500
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Bon Reminder
Message-ID: <961207154533_707788456@emout04.mail.aol.com>

Bon Lazaga will be performing solo (lots of looping goin' on) this Thurs.
night Dec. 12th at the "Down to Earth Coffeehouse" in Mt. Holly, New Jersey.
 Start time 8:00pm, cover charge-$5.00.  Call (609)265-9135 for
info/directions etc.
        --------Paul

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 13:39:15 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex / LXP-5
Message-Id: <v01510100aecf9177a31d@[128.193.5.120]>
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> I have a Lexicon LXP-5 I'm not having as good luck with.  Not only is it a
>pain in the ass to program, but I can't seem to get rid of the shrill
>"digital-ness" of the guitar sound through it, and I don't want to be
>cluttering up the signal more with some post-effect EQ or such.  I do like
>the fact that it does infinite loops that you can lock in and then play over,
>as well as a pitch shifter that's in tune in all octaves without any warbling
>or slap-back, but I don't like what it does to the tone.
>Maybe I just need to figure out the internal workings a little better, but
>it's a tough nut to crack, programming-wise.  Maybe it was more intended for
>studio use rather than as a guitar effect?
>
Hmmmm, I have an LXP-5, and while I agree it's a pain in the ass to
progran, I wouldn't characterize the sound as shrill and digital. I think
it's one of the "warmest" sounding digital units in its price range. I use
it as well as a Boss SE-50 and alesis Midiverb III, and the lex sounds the
least digital sounding of all. Maybe you are sending it too hot of a
signal? It's pretty easy to distort the input, and I can hear distortion
before the clipping light goes on.

As far as programming it, get an MRC, the little remote controller box, if
you can. I couldn't imagine programming the LXP from the front panel, but
it's a breeze with the MRC. If you can't find one (I don't think they're
being made anymore) a programmable MIDI fader box would work, as long as
you can program system exclusive strings. I replaced my MRC with a Peavey
PC 1600, w/16 faders and 16 buttons, and it's an essential part of my rig.
It doesn't integrate with the LXP quite as smoothly as the MRC, but is much
easier to program for other MIDI uses. If you need help with the sysex
codes for the LXP, I can get them to you.

>Ken R

________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 13:57:57 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Fripp and the Plex
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961207135531.25060A-100000@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
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On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Matthias Grob wrote:

> I maybe must say something of little respect: Its time to go way beyond
> Fripp in terms of looping! I said that to himself, too: A part of a long
> letter I wrote over a year ago was:
[snip]
> He never answered. Maybe I was not delicate enough or did not understand
> his record. Or he and his disciples stick to what has been found, just the
> same way as many stick to Strat-Marsh music as developped by Hendrix...

I heard that at one point, Fripp was using an Oberheim Echoplex.  Is that 
still a part of his rig, or has he abandoned it in favor of 12 more T.C. 
2290's?

As far as going beyond Fripp, what are you thinking of more 
specifically?  As Michael Peters has mentioned, some of the stuff he's 
doing recently is very very difficult to identify as real-time loop 
music, even though that's what it is.

--Andre

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 03:07:33 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Fripp and the Plex
Message-Id: <v02140b02aed043c1501b@[207.171.196.49]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Andre said:
>I heard that at one point, Fripp was using an Oberheim Echoplex.  Is that
>still a part of his rig, or has he abandoned it in favor of 12 more T.C.
>2290's?
>
>--Andre

Fripp was signed up as an endorser for the echoplex. So was Belew. Gibson
never did anything about it, and never really followed up on the deal as
far as I could tell. That's kind of sad, because he could have given it
some great publicity.  I'm not sure if Robert is still using the Echoplex,
but he was really quite excited about it when he got it. I never heard from
him how he was using it, so if anyone ever saw him with it, I'd be very
interested to hear the story.

I had the pleasure of demoing the echoplex for him before one of the King
Crimson shows in SF. That's one of my fonder memories from those days.
Robert was very polite, and quite friendly. He was quite enthusiastic about
the echoplex and wanted to start using it as soon as possible. From what I
understand, he did use it, but I don't know if he still has it in his rack.
He had received a jamman around the same time from lexicon, but after the
plex demo, he said the jamduder was getting sent back. :-)

I spent an hour or so talking with fripp and his guitar tech about gear and
the music industry and such. It was very interesting to hear his
perspective on gear and looping. He had nothing but praise for 2290's, and
wanted to see similar features in other loopers. Of course, the 2290 is
quite limited for looping, but it sounds great and works well for creating
precise, interlocking polyrhythmic loops. That seemed to be the important
function he used them for.

He also complained a lot about having too many footpedals, and the fact
that nobody makes a good midi foot controller. He was using a Ground
Control, which he was very dissatisfied with. His problems with that pedal
are similar to my complaints about it. It's midi implementation is
ridiculously limited, having only program change and a couple of cont.
controllers that can't be accessed from the footswitches. Worst is the lack
of a midi in, so you can't dump your programming to disk and reload it.
This made things very complicated since he needed to maintain redundant
gear for touring. We also had similar experiences with the president of
Digital Music, finding him to be a bit of an arrogant jerk, unwilling to
listen to others suggestions.

He and his tech took me up on the stage to explain his whole rack set up.
Unfortunately, the details have gotten pretty hazy, so I probably can't
describe it very well.

I got to see the sound check and everything. And if you fripp/crimson fans
aren't green enough from that, I even had dinner with Bill Bruford, who was
probably the nicest fellow of them all.

Anyway, thanks for tolerating my little nostalgia trip...

kim

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 11:18:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Bon Reminder
Message-Id: <199612081918.LAA19956@pure.PureAtria.COM>

PMimlitsch@aol.com writes:
>Bon Lazaga will be performing solo (lots of looping goin' on) this Thurs.
>night Dec. 12th at the "Down to Earth Coffeehouse" in Mt. Holly, New Jersey.
> Start time 8:00pm, cover charge-$5.00.  Call (609)265-9135 for
>info/directions etc.

If anyone tapes this, please contact me directly.

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:05:14 -0900
From: "Greg & Sandee West" <gdwest@anc.ak.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Acoustic Loopers?
Message-Id: <199612090316.SAA08886@anc.ak.net>
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Hi fellow loopers,

I really enjoy all the technical experience reflected here and the wide
variety of looping done in various musical contexts.  Are there any
dedicated acoustic guitar loopers out there?  I'd like to hear your ideas.

I've been experimenting with acoustic looping for some time, but I've only
used electric guitars for live looping in my concerts.  This last weekend,
I took the plunge and showed up for a solo gig with acoustics only.  It
turned out great, and I'm considering doing it exclusively in the future. 
My acoustics are wired up with both piezo and magnetic pickups, and I was
able to switch from fingerstyle acoustic to Frippish distortion in mid song
without the howling feedback I'd anticipated.  I like the response of an
acoustic and the ability to "dig in" to the strings fingerstyle (you have
to be too gentle on an electric).

I was always primarily an acoustic fingerstyle player (like Kottke, Hedges,
Fahey, etc.) but I have enjoyed the improvisational freedom offered by
looping.  I'm excited about the success of the marriage of loops and
acoustic guitar, not to mention that I haven't had that much fun with an
acoustic guitar in months!

By the way, if you're new to the list, or new to looping, see my website
for a graphic of my live performance setup.

Greg West

//Six-String Arts/"Recording the Art of the Modern Guitar//
Websites:  
http://users.aol.com/SixStrArts/index.html
http://users.aol.com/GregWest01/index.html

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:18:04 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex problems -- help
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At 4:23 PM 12/6/96, Henry I. Bornstein wrote:
>I'm having two problems with my echoplexes. Any help would be greatly
>appreciated:
>
>1)  If I try to use Brother sync between the two machines, it works for a
>while,
>but then crashes and one or both machines lock up.  I talked to someone
>who said
>there was a hardware update available that might solve this.  Has anyone had
>this problem, and does anyone know about this hardware update?

I know a little about the hardware updates, yes. I redesigned the brother
sync circuit to make it more reliable just before I left
G-WIZ/Gibson/Oberheim. The redesign never got implemented in production
units by Oberheim. It is possible to mod existing units with the change,
but it does take a bit of effort. Its not as simple as just changing a
resistor value. You have to hack a couple of transistors in series with the
outputs of the BrotherSync jack and add a couple of resistors. With this
particular mod, the Echoplex will always power up and stay running
regardless of what happens to other units connected with BrotherSync. This
fixes problems where sometimes a unit would crash if another BrotherSynced
plex was turned off, or where the plex wouldn't power up right when other
units on the Brother chain were powered down. These problems almost never
showed up with two units, however. It is more common when you have three,
four, or more connected. Even if you do experience this particular problem,
it's not fatal. Once you have them all on, just turn the one that crashed
off and back on and things should be fine. Its irritating, and the mod
fixes it. If anyone is interested, I could probably put some documentation
about how to do this one on the web site.

Another mod that should be in the later production units, was a resistor
value change that came courtesy of Chris and Anton Chovit's troubles with
BrotherSyncing all their echoplexes together. The original design only
allowed three units to work together, but by changing resistor R62 from
2.2K to 10K, you should be able to sync 18 echoplexes or so without any
trouble. I'm pretty sure that nobody actually owns that many, so that
should be good. I suppose if you really need to BrotherSync even more units
at some future echoplex user convention, R62 could be increased even
more....

You're particular troubles sound related, but different. Do you have one of
the very first set of production units? You can tell by looking at the
serial number. I think the first unit was EDP1001, and they went up
sequentially from there. I made some value changes in the BrotherSync
circuit after the first production run, which means the first 50 units or
so probably have the oldest version of the circuit. In this case, the mods
corrected problems where plugging and unplugging a cable in the BrotherSync
jack while the power was on could cause the unit to crash. It's possible
that these changes could have fixed problems similar to yours, but I'm not
sure. If you have one of these early units, let me know, and I can tell you
what values should be in the BrotherSync circuit. I should put this on the
web page anyway.

I've never seen BrotherSynced Echoplexes crashing spontaneously after they
had powered up successfully. It was always power-up/down or
plugging/unplugging which caused it. You are using the right kind of cable,
right? A stereo/TRS type?  If that's not it, I suspect you have something
wrong with one of your units. If you have one of those early units, the
first thing I would suggest is changing the various resistors and caps to
the right values. Another idea is to get in there with a soldering iron and
fix any solder joints that look cracked or cold. (assuming you know how to
do minor electronics work. If not, find someone who can help you out.)
Something like that in the BrotherSync would definitely cause intermittant
crashes. If that doesn't do it, we can try the transistor mod. And if that
doesn't do it, we can swap components til it works. I seriously doubt it
will take that much effort, though.

One thing I don't recommend doing is sending it to Oberheim, since they are
a bit short staffed these days. It may be a while before you get it
back.....



>2) I've been unsuccessful in attempting to archive loops by sending them via
>Midi Sample Dump Standard to a MAC computer running Alchemy software.  I
>am able
>to send the sample to the computer successfully, but when I attempt to download
>it to the Echoplex, I get an error message that says "insufficient memory."
>I"ve got plenty of memory in the computer, and this has happened for the
>shortest loops when the echoplex had 120 secs of free memory. From what I can
>tell, the Alchemy error message is the one that comes up if the sampler is out
>of memory, as I have been able to reproduce the message when I attempt to send
>to another sampler that is  fully loaded.    Has anyone been able to download
>from a computer using SDS?  It would be great if I could get this to work.

SampleDump is another can of worms. The problem here is with the Sample
Dump "standard" rather than the echoplex. No one seems to follow it in
quite the same way. If Eric is reading this, he can tell you more about
whether there is a problem with Alchemy. During development, we found all
sorts of different variations among different manufacturers, not to mention
some that had bugs. We did our best in the first soft version to work
around the ones we found, but we definitely didn't get to everything. The
update, which is creeping ever closer to the light of day at glacial
speeds, has a much more sophisticated SampleDump implementation which
should handle everything (I hope!). I know for a fact that the shipping
software works fine with Sound Designer and Studio Vision. Try those if you
can't get Alchemy to work.

hope this helps.

kim

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:18:11 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Echoplex usability ( was Re: Vortex/Jamman)
Message-Id: <v02140b05aed11f929328@[207.171.196.49]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 7:30 PM 12/6/96, PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote:
>O.K. -- I'm convinced.-- Could someone re-post the phone # of the place
>that's selling the Vortex unit for $150.00?  Also, I'm thinking about adding
>another Jamman to my setup but have also been thinking about the Echoplex.
> However I'm a little worried that the Echoplex might not be as intuitive to
>use as the Jamman. Any thoughts or suggestions?

I'm obviously biased on this issue, but here's my thoughts anyway.

The Echoplex offers a lot more functionality than the Jamman, so in that
regard it might have a somewhat longer learning curve. But it was designed
to be intuitive and usable in live performance situations. If anything, the
display on the plex is a lot more informative and the footpedal is
certainly more useful than those offered for the Jamman. What you see in
the Echoplex is the result of 5-6 years of development by people who spent
a lot of time trying out all the ideas in real situations and making it as
musically useful as possible. And that development was based on previous
experiences with delays and loop units going all the way back to tape stuff
in the 70's. Find one and spend enough time with it to appreciate some of
the subtleties in the interface.

The Echoplex does offer a lot of depth, some of which you may never get to.
You can do a lot with just the three most basic functions - Record,
Overdub, and Multiply. Even if you never get passed those, you can open up
a whole new world in your music and have a great time with it.

If you see an Echoplex in a music store and ask for a demo, you will almost
certainly come away thinking it is confusing and hard to use. Its the same
sort of problem that Jon was talking about with the Vortex. Your average
music store retard just doesn't get it, and hasn't taken the time to figure
it out. A looper is really an instrument unto itself, and doesn't just sit
there passively like a reverb or something. You have to interact with it,
and it does take some effort to learn to do that well. Its like if I were
to try and demonstrate trumpets, being a guitar player. My demo would suck,
because I don't know how to play a trumpet!

In the hands of competent loopers, jammans and echoplexes both become
obviously useful and exciting items. You should check them both out and see
what works for you. The echoplex does cost more, so it may be an economic
decision.

Some other things to consider are that the echoplex uses its own internal
power supply, rather than a wall wart, it can have much longer loop times,
its memory can be updated with cheap and easily obtainable simms rather
than hard to find zip memory, it uses higher quality sampling than the
jamman, and it just does more stuff.

And if I just reopened the jamman vs echoplex / hardware geek debates,
sorry. You knew it had to come up again sooner or later, right?

kim


______________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:18:08 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Why Vortex flopped...?
Message-Id: <v02140b03aed119391527@[207.171.196.49]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 9:02 AM 12/7/96, Jon Durant wrote:
>In a lot of ways, there were people who made it impossible for the marketing
>team to really have any say over what would end up in the box. This is what we
>often referred to as "sales prevention". An ugly situation, which as near as I
>can tell, continues to worsen since my departure. Sad, really. Some really
>great
>ideas are simply being throuwn away, and very good people are getting fed
>up and
>leaving.
>
>Do I sound bitter?

I think I can relate Jon....

G-WIZ had similar problems, of engineering managers thinking they knew
everything and ignoring marketing advice. Ignoring engineer's advice too.
That has a lot to do with the flaws that are in the Echoplex.

It seems to me that there is an exodus happening all over the music
industry. There's no one left at G-WIZ. I now work at Chromatic Reseach,
firmly in the multimedia arena. I have coworkers there that used to be
engineers at places like Emu, Korg, Euphonix, and others. Even Tom Oberheim
works there. As pc's integrate more audio and musical instrument
capabilities, our expertise becomes increasingly valuable to computer
companies. And these companies can offer way better salaries and benefits
than the MI industry can. Not to mention extremely competent mangement
teams that don't behave in some of the moronic ways people I've encountered
in the music industry behave. And the work itself is pretty interesting. I
used to think that working in the computer industry would bore me to death,
but that's changed a lot over the past few years. I miss working directly
with musical instruments, but the things I do now aren't too far behind
that. Even more interesting in other ways. I mean, the synth architecture
being built into Chromatic's software for pc's running Win95 is as good or
better than that in any professional synth.

I took a lot of good ideas with me when I left the music industry, which I
hope to someday do something with, but not anywhere near as quickly as I
might have. I'm sure the same is true for others. We may be in for quite a
drought in electronic musical instrument innovations in coming years. Time
will tell I guess, but I sure haven't seen many interesting products
lately.

kim

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:25:09 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Acoustic Loopers?
Message-Id: <v02140b01aed12863a573@[207.171.197.18]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 3:05 PM 12/8/96, Greg & Sandee West wrote:
>Hi fellow loopers,
>
>I really enjoy all the technical experience reflected here and the wide
>variety of looping done in various musical contexts.  Are there any
>dedicated acoustic guitar loopers out there?  I'd like to hear your ideas.

I'm not, but when I've talked to a lot of Echoplex users who were acoustic
guitar soloists. Looping seems to be a great fit for that. I know there are
a few acoustic loopers on the list, I'm sure they'll speak up. I was
actually quite surprised by how many acoustic players got into it. I would
say they made up one of the largest categories of echoplex owners.

kim

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Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:15:54 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Ground Control
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On Sunday 12/8/96 Kim wrote:

>He also complained a lot about having too many footpedals, and the fact
>that nobody makes a good midi foot controller. He was using a Ground
>Control, which he was very dissatisfied with. His problems with that pedal
>are similar to my complaints about it. It's midi implementation is
>ridiculously limited, having only program change and a couple of cont.
>controllers that can't be accessed from the footswitches. Worst is the lack
>of a midi in, so you can't dump your programming to disk and reload it.
>This made things very complicated since he needed to maintain redundant
>gear for touring.

Now I've been in communication with Ed Drake who likes this unit and I was
preparing to buy one. Does anyone know if Mr. Fripp was using Version 2 of
this unit? Also I'd appreciate any one else's experience with this or
similar unit's. For now I'll keep my credit card in the wallet.

Patrick

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 01:58:06 -0500 (EST)
From: andre <andre@monmouth.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Bon Lozaga...Deep Purple Loops...!!?
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At 11:18 AM 12/8/96 -0800, you wrote:
>PMimlitsch@aol.com writes:
>>Bon Lazaga will be performing solo (lots of looping goin' on) this Thurs.
>>night Dec. 12th at the "Down to Earth Coffeehouse" in Mt. Holly, New Jersey.
>> Start time 8:00pm, cover charge-$5.00.  Call (609)265-9135 for
>>info/directions etc.
>
>If anyone tapes this, please contact me directly.
>
>
>I saw it last friday evening , and it was a great show. make the drive if
ya can - you'll hear some gorgeous tones and thick layered space guitar
textures. Very interesting stuff.

Also - I saw Deep Purple tonight... with Steve Morse. All in all a good show
- they of course did all the classics ( Hush, woman fr Tokyo, Smoke on-,
etc) but mid-set Morse had a great 10 min spotlight, which included several
minutes of him creating two loops and soaring over them..at one point the
drummer Ian Paice came in and play to the loop-groove. It added a nice
spontaneity to the gig (which was generally spontaneous and fun, in fact.
Morse is simply incredible. And he played the older material faithfully to
Blackmore's style. Well, enough about Purple, but it was loop-related....

andre (east)
>
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