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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 32

Today's Topics:
  Re: Ground Control                    [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: Fripp and the Plex                [ "S. Patrick Hickey" <hickeysp@niels ]
  Vortex problems...                    [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Re: Bon Lozaga...Deep Purple Loops..  [ "S. Patrick Hickey" <hickeysp@niels ]
  Re: PCM 80: to morph or not to morph  [ angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu (Emmanu ]
  Re: Why Vortex flopped...?            [ Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net> ]
  Re: Acoustic Loopers?                 [ RA336@aol.com ]
  Re: Acoustic Loopers?                 [ RA336@aol.com ]
  Re: Ground Control                    [ RA336@aol.com ]
  OFF SUBJECT - Pink Floyd              [ c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo) ]
  Re: Ground Control                    [ ejmd@erols.com (Ed Drake) ]
  Re: Ground Control                    [ James Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com ]
  Re: Ground Control                    [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ]
  Re: Echoplex problems -- help         [ Anton Chovit <antonc@earthlink.net> ]
  Syncing to MIDI                       [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  Re: Echoplex usability ( was Re: Vor  [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Re: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes  [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Re: PCM 80: to morph or not to morph  [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Fripp and the Plex                [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Acoustic Loopers?                 [ "Greg & Sandee West" <gdwest@anc.ak ]
  Re: OFF SUBJECT - Pink Floyd          [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr ) ]

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 00:53:58 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ground Control
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At 9:15 PM 12/8/96, Patrick Smith wrote:
>On Sunday 12/8/96 Kim wrote:
>
>>He also complained a lot about having too many footpedals, and the fact
>>that nobody makes a good midi foot controller. He was using a Ground
>>Control, which he was very dissatisfied with. His problems with that pedal
>>are similar to my complaints about it. It's midi implementation is
>>ridiculously limited, having only program change and a couple of cont.
>>controllers that can't be accessed from the footswitches. Worst is the lack
>>of a midi in, so you can't dump your programming to disk and reload it.
>>This made things very complicated since he needed to maintain redundant
>>gear for touring.
>
>Now I've been in communication with Ed Drake who likes this unit and I was
>preparing to buy one. Does anyone know if Mr. Fripp was using Version 2 of
>this unit? Also I'd appreciate any one else's experience with this or
>similar unit's. For now I'll keep my credit card in the wallet.
>
>Patrick

I recently bought a Digitech PMC-10 for about $100 used. It has a way
better midi implementation. Unfortunately they are out of production, so
you have to look at the used market for them.

The PMC-10 gives you 500 patches which can be organized any way you like in
100 banks. Each patch lets you set two midi strings, which can be used in
different ways. So, for instance you can have string A sent the first time
you press a footswitch, and String B the second time. Or you can have the
switch operate as a momentary, where string A is sent when you press the
switch and string b is sent when you release it. Naturally, you can send
any midi messages in the string, including notes, continous controllers,
and even sysex. So in addition to changing programs on an effect unit, you
can have a footswitch playing chords on a synth, or sending a specific
controller number to set a volume on your preamp. Or what ever.

Midi out and in, with filtering options on the in. Two continous controller
inputs, with the pedal able to control several continuous controllers at
once, with independant polarities. Also has a voltage level output for
controlling amplifier channel switching and such.

The versatility offered is pretty amazing, which is probably why they
didn't sell well and went out of production. You can even organize the
banks into 5 sets, so you can set the thing up to work differntly for
differnt gigs. I'm just starting to figure the thing out, since I haven't
had time to dig through the manual, but the more I learn the happier I am
with it.

My only complaints are that the display should be bigger, and you program
it using a handheld unit with a very wimpy cable. The handheld unit itself
is pretty rugged, but I've already had to fix the cable once.

Another good pedal is the Rocktron All Access. That's based on the Bradshaw
switching systems, I think. It's pretty expensive, though.

Another thing you should know if you own or are planning to get an
Echoplex, is that the Ground Control cannot control an echoplex. At least
not with the plexes current software. This is because the plex doesn't use
Program Change to control its functions, and that is all the Ground Control
sends. (I talked with the President of Digital Music about this, with the
idea that maybe we could work out some deal where he adds some more
functionality to his pedal and we recommend it as the preferred pedal for
our products. That's when I decided the guy was a jerk, because he had that
"guitar players are too dumb to understand anything like that, so there's
no point in changing" attitude.)

There are a few reasons for the Echoplex being that way. One is just
adhering to the midi spec. Midi program change messages are intended for
changing programs, not executing functions like Start Record. If anything,
those should fall under Midi Machine Control, but that didn't really exist
when the plex was developed. Another reason is that midi program change is
a singular event, carrying only a small amount of information. Many of the
echoplex's functions take advantage of both the pressing of the switch and
the release, which gives the musician greater control without adding dozens
of extra switches. So program change just doesn't work well for that.
Therefore, control of the echoplex is done with either note on/offs or
continuos controllers, which allow much greater degrees of control and seem
more appropriate.

That being said, in reality a lot of people use dumb midi pedals like the
Ground Control. It frankly baffles me that this pedal enjoys such a good
reputation, but then it wouldn't be the first time I had trouble
understanding why people accept mediocrity just because it's well marketed.
Anyway, in developing the not quite available yet upgrade, we caved in and
figured out ways to make midi program change messages control Echoplex
functions. It doesn't work nearly as well as note-on/offs, but at least all
the people with Ground Controls will be able to use them.

I guess I should right some sort of "pedals and the echoplex" tutorial.
Maybe I'll get to that next weekend....

kim



______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:52:52 -0500
From: "S. Patrick Hickey" <hickeysp@nielsenmedia.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Fripp and the Plex
Message-Id: <199612091352.IAA01794@nielsenmedia.com>

Kim,

So, you met Crimso.  How nice for you.
(Seething, loathing, envious, hating, jealousy abounds!!! :)
:) :)

Pat Hickey                      ***SPH
brzrkr@nielsenmedia.com

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:56:12 +0100 (MET)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex problems...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961209145040.687C-100000@lovelace.infobiogen.fr>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Thanks for the explanations. Maybe i'll have to unscrew the unit... I
could have a spare pot of the machine, only i'm not so easy with it. I
don't dare too much taking the solder into it to replace the pot. I know
that if I have statics on the bench, I may kill my unit, and i don't know
how to remove statics when running the solder thing. I don't even know if
yoy can access the thing. And yes, I step on the idea of having th emchine
for 150$ (in fact with shipping it was 234$) wich is anyway less than the
equivalent of 550 bucks of the unit here (would you believe it!). That is
the deal: half the price, half the presets.... 

Olivier

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:56:20 -0500
From: "S. Patrick Hickey" <hickeysp@nielsenmedia.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Bon Lozaga...Deep Purple Loops...!!?
Message-Id: <199612091356.IAA01965@nielsenmedia.com>

Morse...with Deep Purple???!?!??!
Talk about a fish out of water!

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 96 09:44:35 EST
From: angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu (Emmanuel Angel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: PCM 80: to morph or not to morph
Message-Id: <9612091444.AA29194@matisse.pet.upenn.edu.noname>

I'm curious about Jon's comment:

>The new MPX-1 is a Lexichip/2110 combi platter, better suited to
>Vortex-like oddness. But don't expect anyone to be doing them soon. Bring up the
>naughty M-word, and you're likely to be run out of town.

Why should the M-word not be brought up?

I'm very interested in this unit.  They had one already in a rack at
Sam Ash, Cherry Hill NJ, but I didn't get a chance to hear it.  I did
look through the manual however, and the specs and the *numerous*
algorithms (including, I seem to recall, something that looked like
Cycloid [??]) seemed very impressive.  It looks to be a *lengthy*
and *well written* manual, from what I could glean by flipping through
it for a few minutes.  They were having a store-wide sale on Saturday,
and I thought about picking one up for $950, but opted for a more-needed
DAT.  But my instincts tell me that this is a *very* nice box for
the home studio owner who wants to get great Lex reverbs and other
effects.  I like the reverbs in the LXP-15 and, at least on paper,
this unit blows it away (18-bit A/D, 24 bit [??] internal path, 20-bit D/A,
and 44.1 kHz sample rate).  Also, the interface looks well designed,
straightforward.

I'm guessing that I will add this box to my wish list.

Mickey Angel

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:57:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Why Vortex flopped...?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.961209085525.13301B-100000@icarus.icarus.net>
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Remember the Dilbert Principle... the most glaringly stupid employees
are put in the place where they can do the least harm - management.  

How true this is, I do not know.  After all, we don't have a good
reference to how much damage the morons would do if they stayed in
engineering or sales.  And of course, it's management that appoints
them to management. 

By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete.
Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. 
Venus De Milo.
To a child she is ugly.       /* dstagner@icarus.net */
   -Charles Fort              

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:26:20 -0500
From: RA336@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Acoustic Loopers?
Message-ID: <961209102619_708035398@emout07.mail.aol.com>

for you acoustic plug-in people,
check out the elctro-acoustic instruments designed and built by Ithaca
Stringed Instruments..

hands-down the best!... absolutely amazing stuff for delivering acoustic
sounds through ampage or foldback... and incredible to use with
electronics!!!
they make:
guitars
basses
violins (4, 5, & 6 string)
cellos
violas
also:
mandolins
mandocellos
- and will make weird one-off playable objects for people with their own
ideas...

I have an "Oneida" nylon-string guitar and a steel-string, which I just had
out  on tour for the first time... flawless!

contact them for info at:
1-607-387-3544 (phone & fax)
or mail to:
ISI
6115 Mount Road
Trumansburg, NY 14886

- they have a real nice catalogue; ask to see 'em all! tell them Rob sent
ya...

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:28:31 -0500
From: RA336@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Acoustic Loopers?
Message-ID: <961209102831_907094218@emout17.mail.aol.com>

oops; in mentioning the Ithaca Stringed Instruments stuff, I should have
mentioned I am a devout looper of the guitar...

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:31:53 -0500
From: RA336@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ground Control
Message-ID: <961209103152_1719116368@emout02.mail.aol.com>

>Also I'd appreciate any one else's experience with this or
>similar unit's.

-check out the Lake-Butler Midi Midigator... highly functional, any message,
any midi channel simultaneously... one (only) controller port... memory is
downloadable and uploadable via sys-ex.. nice... fairly cheap too.

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 96 10:48:15 EST
From: c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: OFF SUBJECT - Pink Floyd
Message-Id: <9612091548.AA07663@ibx.com>

Hello all.  Although Floyd did some looping in the early years, I will still 
consider this off-topic.  I am looking for a Floydian Internet mailing list, but
I have mail only access so I cannot search the web.  Does anyone know of a list?

Thank you.

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:45:40 -0400
From: ejmd@erols.com (Ed Drake)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ground Control
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Kim said:

>Another thing you should know if you own or are planning to get an
>Echoplex, is that the Ground Control cannot control an echoplex. At least
>not with the plexes current software. This is because the plex doesn't use
>Program Change to control its functions, and that is all the Ground Control
>sends. (I talked with the President of Digital Music about this, with the
>idea that maybe we could work out some deal where he adds some more
>functionality to his pedal and we recommend it as the preferred pedal for
>our products. That's when I decided the guy was a jerk, because he had that
>"guitar players are too dumb to understand anything like that, so there's
>no point in changing" attitude.)

Kim , you may be right about the Pres. of Digital Music being a jerk, I
don't know, I've never spoken to him, but he may have listened to you and
Fripp just a little bit because with the version 2 software the Ground
Control can be set up to send Control change on/off messages as well as the
program change and continuous controller messages. There is a mode which
allows you to set up your banks of 10 in a configuration where footswitches
1-4 are presets (Program changes) and Switches 5-0 are control change
messages. Whether this will allow people to use The Plex with the GC now ,
I don't know. What do you think? There is another pedal called the Ground
Link
( List $160) which can be linked with the GC and it can be configured to
have all 8 of its' footswitches be used as Control Changes .

>There are a few reasons for the Echoplex being that way. One is just
>adhering to the midi spec. Midi program change messages are intended for
>changing programs, not executing functions like Start Record.

I don't understand a lot of the technical business of MIDI but I wonder how
Lexicon got the Jam Man to use Program Change messages to control Recording
, Layering, Cueing Loops, etc.

>That being said, in reality a lot of people use dumb midi pedals like the
>Ground Control.

I hope that doesn't mean you think the people that use the Ground Control
are dumb  ;-)
Seriously, I got a GC recently because I needed more MIDI control than I
had with an old ADA MC-1 ( which is for sale, email and make me an offer).
Sure the GC is not perfect but it sounds like there is no perfect MIDI foot
controller out there at the moment anyway, that doesn't cost an arm and a
leg. The only things in my price range were the Ground Control , MIDI
Midigator, and the ART Ultrafoot X-15 . I have friends that have the ART
and the Midigator and I was not impressed by either of those ( The
Midigator and Rocktron All Access being too expensive anyway). I paid $220
for the GC which suits my budget as a married musician with a wife, child
and a house. True the GC doesn't have a MIDI in and it sounds like it
doesn't have anywhere near the MIDI control the Digitech PMC-10 has, it has
enough for what I need and if I need more in the future I'll just sell it
and get something else, isn't this what musicians do all the time anyway?
Kim, it sounds like the Digitech isn't perfect in your mind either so why
don't you design a MIDI controller with everything we'd need ? :-)
Also, I think it would be a great idea for you to put a tutorial together
on footpedals and the Plex.

Keep up the good work ,  Ed

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 12:44:48 +0000
From: James Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ground Control
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BTW: thanks for the fripp story, he always has an interesting collection
of gear.  I don't know if he uses an echoplex, but I do know
theres an Eventide box (probably 4000 by now), a GSP2101 (likes the
"crunchy tubes" i hear), a SansAmp, the TC delays, a GR1 and 
recently a VG8.

I've had pretty good luck controlling the echoplex w/ my GSP2101
foot controller (now called Control One).  I've set two buttons
to send MIDI CC messages (one at 0, the other at 64) to control
overdub and multiply.  One click sets one of the echopex buttons
on, then a second click turns them off. Fortunately, the "hold"
functionality of these two buttons is very close to their normal
behavior when pushed from the front panel.  I was also able to 
set up the record button, but the 2101fc buttons didn't respond as
well as the sustain pedal I use for that.

jim

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:17:19 -0500
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ground Control
Message-ID: <961209201718_1488164360@emout02.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 12/9/96 2:48:20 PM, Jim wrote:

<<I've had pretty good luck controlling the echoplex w/ my GSP2101
foot controller (now called Control One).  I've set two buttons
to send MIDI CC messages (one at 0, the other at 64) to control
overdub and multiply.  One click sets one of the echopex buttons
on, then a second click turns them off. Fortunately, the "hold"
functionality of these two buttons is very close to their normal
behavior when pushed from the front panel.  I was also able to 
set up the record button, but the 2101fc buttons didn't respond as
well as the sustain pedal I use for that.
>>

I also use the 2101 w/ foot controller to control not an echoplex (which I'm
still up in the air about getting) but to control some of the functions of
the Jamman.  However the one thing it doesn't initiate well is the tap
(record) function.  There is a noticeable delay between the actual foot tap
and the response of the Jamman that does not occur w/the stock Jamman
footswitch. This, obviously, is unexceptable when your trying to initiate
recording  mid-stream of particular rythmic cycle. So for this I still use
the stock footswitch to capture the initial loop length and then the 2101fc
for any layering,fading,mute/restarts etc.   
                   ----Paul

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 17:28:11 +0000
From: Anton Chovit <antonc@earthlink.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex problems -- help
Message-ID: <32AC4C1F.4CB7@earthlink.net>
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Kim Flint wrote:
>... 
Kim wrote,
> You're particular troubles sound related, but different. Do you have one of
> the very first set of production units? ...

My brother Chris and I have 5 plex's between us.  We had oh soo many
problems, but we sent them back to Oberheim and months and months later
they came back (hooray!!) working much better.  We still have glitches
when running brother sync for all five, but these seem to be of the
power up/down type.  We still have lots of irregularity when syncing w/
MIDI and brother sync.  I've can sample a CD loop into plex1 (sync=IN). 
This loop will stay insync w/ the MIDI for a short period of time (5-15
min), although the loop and orig. signal will flange somewhat (slightly
out of phase, but no short-term drift) .  With Plex's 2-5 set to
sync=OUT, #'s 2-5 can be looped synced w/1.  

Now this is where the fun starts! plex2 will stay in sync w/ MIDI and
plex1 about as well as plex 1.  If a loop is thrown to plex3, plex 2 & 3
will stay in sync but they will drift from plex 1(MIDI)  OR 1 & 2 will
sync but 3 will drift.  Adding plex's 3-5 just adds more randomness or
not (Yous takes your chances).  This can be interesting but does not
allow for the 5 plex's tight synced w/ MIDI that we were hoping for.
A work around for this that is OK for some purposes is to dedicate one
plex to MIDI seqs (196 sec or less).  Sample the MIDI (drums patterns,
progressions, etc.) into plex1 (sync = IN).  Switch sync = OUT and now
play loops into the rest of the plex's (sync = OUT) and shut the
sequencer off.  This untilizes brother sync for all units and this seems
to work fine.

I have also noticed that when syncing to MIDI (sync= IN), if start the
MIDI (drum machine, seq, etc.) then hit record, the plex goes to 000 and
waits for the MIDI "one beat" (as it should).  However, if I delete this
loop or try sereral takes, eventually, the plex looses the "one beat"
and jsuts starts recording as soon as I hit record.  The only way to get
things working is to shut off/on the plex, stop the MIDI and start
over.  I have also been unable to get Roland or Boss MIDI gear to get
the plex to start on the "one beat" (Roland PMA-5, Dr 550)  these units
send MIDI clock as evident by the flashing green light on the plex, but
when you hit record, it starts on the very next beat, not the "one",
similar to the way JamMans tap into sync w/ MIDI.

I've seen postings indicating that the echoplex can be synced to MIDI
with little-to-no drift (sometimes a little is way too much!!), but I
have never acomplished this for more than a short period.  We are really
interested in having the ability to use MIDI as the master clock, but
the drift jst doesn't allow this.  Does anyone have any suggestions? or
success stories?

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:59:02 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Syncing to MIDI
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961209175834.4334C-100000@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Anton Chovit wrote:

> I have also noticed that when syncing to MIDI (sync= IN), if start the
> MIDI (drum machine, seq, etc.) then hit record, the plex goes to 000 and
> waits for the MIDI "one beat" (as it should).  However, if I delete this
> loop or try sereral takes, eventually, the plex looses the "one beat"
> and jsuts starts recording as soon as I hit record.  The only way to get
> things working is to shut off/on the plex, stop the MIDI and start
> over. 

Yeah, I've run into this problem many times as well.  It's kind of a drag 
to have to power down, power back up, then start from scratch every time 
you want to sync a new loop.  Perhaps this is yet another element 
corrected in the upgrade?

--Andre

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 23:23:48 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex usability ( was Re: Vortex/
Message-id: <01ICTO486PPU972WC7@delphi.com>
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Kim wrote,

>And if I just reopened the jamman vs echoplex / hardware geek debates,
>sorry. You knew it had to come up again sooner or later, right? 

To the benefit of everyone!  I'm very interested in both, can't afford
either, and want to know all I can about both units.

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 23:24:18 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes
Message-id: <01ICTO4S0PNY972WC7@delphi.com>
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I wrote, in part,

>>selfsame pump sank like a stone as I read, down at the very bottom,
>>those dread words:  "A Harman International Company."

To which Matthias responded,

>As fusions go on, soon you will read "Made by Mankind Inc." and after the
>first error (which you will certainly discover after 5 minutes, in the
>future) you are forced to buy only from other planets...

Very likely, and a possibility I've considered--especially given the
trend toward decreasing corporate/government liability, at least in the
USA. :-(

There's a happier possibility, though:  Looking at trends in CAD, CAM,
the growth of the Internet, etc., I can imagine in the not too distant
future a Kim Flint, Jon Durant or Matthias Grob being able to design,
manufacture, and sell a musical device working largely alone, using
off-the-shelf multipurpose chips, software, and even PCBs, and marketing
on the Web.

Another possibility:  How long will it be before this Pentium 133 I'm
using (which came with *two* MIDI sequencer programs and WAV audio
software) shrinks to palmtop size, for a third of the price--and I can
design my own looper, morphing FX, etc.?

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:23:00 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: PCM 80: to morph or not to morph
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Jon
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>The PCM 80 is designed very differently, and for a number of reasons, I'm not
>convinced it would work the same way. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be
>cool, but
>it would be different. And, besides, as I mentioned earlier, no one's going to
>go there.

I see. Thanks for information. More so I want the "last m... unit" of this
part of the universe :-)
Matthias

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:24:26 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Fripp and the Plex
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Andre said
>As far as going beyond Fripp, what are you thinking of more
>specifically?  As Michael Peters has mentioned, some of the stuff he's
>doing recently is very very difficult to identify as real-time loop
>music, even though that's what it is.

I must admit that I do not know what he did after the soundscape CD.
All I heard so far was very slow build ups and fades. Old technology did
not permit much more. But Feedback was always available on pedal and lets
build music much more dynamic that he does. Plex functions another
somewhat...

Well, I cannot say that using a feedback pedal is going beyond Fripp, but
you may know what I mean...
Matthias

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:59:01 -0900
From: "Greg & Sandee West" <gdwest@anc.ak.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Acoustic Loopers?
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Thanks for the info.  I'll check out the Ithaca stuff.  I've never used a
Vortex before...haven't seen one in any of the stores up here in Alaska. 
Sounds intriguing.

Cheers,

Greg

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:29:15 GMT
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr )
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: OFF SUBJECT - Pink Floyd
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>Hello all.  Although Floyd did some looping in the early years, I will still 
>consider this off-topic.  I am looking for a Floydian Internet mailing list,
>but
>I have mail only access so I cannot search the web.  Does anyone know of a
>list?
>
>Thank you.

Echoes-request@tcsi.com

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes      Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979        University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
        "Everything in moderation, including moderation" (Zen Proverb)

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