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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 33

Today's Topics:
  Re: BIO-ELECTRONIC ?                  [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr ) ]
  Re: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes  [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  Re[2]: Echoplex system version?       [ "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMas ]
  Re: Bon Reminder                      [ Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski,  ]
  Vortex features?                      [ DAVID_MITCHELL@HP-Australia-om1.om. ]
  FS: stick                             [ Dan Howarth <howarth@U.Arizona.EDU> ]
  Re: FS: stick                         [ Anton Chovit <antonc@earthlink.net> ]
  Re: Vortex features?                  [ Anton Chovit <antonc@earthlink.net> ]
  Re: Vortex features?                  [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  Digitech Whammy pedal                 [ David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton ]
  Re: Vortex features?                  [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr ) ]
  Re[2]: Vortex features?               [ "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMas ]
  Re: Vortex features?                  [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ]
  Vortex link, First post               [ John Ott <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: Vortex features?                  [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Vortex features?                      [ Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuSer ]
  Re: Digitech Whammy pedal             [ Eric Cook <ecook@conch.aa.msen.com> ]
  Re: Vortex features?                  [ KILLINFO@aol.com ]
  Re: implied rhythms                   [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  VG8 with Ebow?                        [ Neil Goldstein <ngold@teleport.com> ]
  Re: VG8 with Ebow?                    [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  Re: VG8 with Ebow?                    [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Re: VG8 with Ebow?                    [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:30:40 GMT
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr )
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: BIO-ELECTRONIC ?
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>Well, your nickname Dr     called my atention, and I not just like
>englishmen, usually,

I'm Welsh, but that's a different story!

> but especially those sincere ones and the name PYCRAFT
>sounds like someone really special 

It's my mother's maiden name, and does seem quite rare.

>and the Zen Proverb is a extremely interesting one... 

... and used as a good excuse for Zen masters to get drunk occasionally,
apparently.

>but, I'm afraid,  what really makes me risk to rob some
>of your time is:  BIO-ELECTRONIC - What the hell... ??
>I imagine you implant RS 232 into rats to monitor them... or make chips
>cross their legs and then procreate...

"Lift your leg, Ratty."
"Come on, Ratty, lift your leg!"
"Ok, if that's the way you want it..."
ZAP!!
"Good boy, Ratty!"

Naaah, I spend my day using electric fields to manipulate viruses on
microelectrode arrays.  It can be a great conversation killer, especially
when people find out that the main virus I use is Herpes.  Yes, I spend all
day looking at Herpes move down a microscope.

There's a bit more about it on my web page (http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft/)

>If anyone thinks this is off topic: shht, he is Dr., lets see whether we
>can finally find the resonance centre in the brain, you know, the
>twistplace, the ANSWER to the loop...

If we knew the answer to the loop there would be no point asking the
question anymore, and that would be a shame.

Michael

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes      Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979        University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
        "Everything in moderation, including moderation" (Zen Proverb)

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:07:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Vortex Applications Notes
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> Another possibility:  How long will it be before this Pentium 133 I'm
> using (which came with *two* MIDI sequencer programs and WAV audio
> software) shrinks to palmtop size, for a third of the price--and I can
> design my own looper, morphing FX, etc.?
> 
> John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
> Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/

With today's technology, Pat Metheny is already using his laptop (one 
of the Power Macs) as a digital 8-track recorder for demos with, I 
think, an Opcode Studio Vision/Quicktime instruments software setup.  I 
hope Opcode will produce a next-generation Max that is as powerful as
the Silicon Graphics version which has better support for real-time DSP
objects, etc.


Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 96 12:13:43 CST
From: "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMaster.Com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ToddM@lasermaster.com
Subject: Re[2]: Echoplex system version?
Message-Id: <9611108502.AA850248788@ccmailgate.LaserMaster.Com>

Travis:

Where did you buy your plex?

Todd Madson.
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Subject: Re: Echoplex system version?
From:    Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at Internet
Date:    12/6/96  4:24 PM

>Message was resent -- Original recipients were:
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>what is the going price of the echoplex these days?
>
>paul


I just ordered one this week, and $549 for the 12.5 second configuration 
was the standard.  The footpedal runs about $100.

Travis Hartnett


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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:41:48 -0500
From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Bon Reminder
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>PMimlitsch@aol.com writes:
>>Bon Lazaga will be performing solo (lots of looping goin' on) this Thurs.
>>night Dec. 12th at the "Down to Earth Coffeehouse" in Mt. Holly, New Jersey.
>> Start time 8:00pm, cover charge-$5.00.  Call (609)265-9135 for
>>info/directions etc.
>
>If anyone tapes this, please contact me directly.


Accidents will Happen will be performing in Newark Delaware this saturday
at Jam'n Java ... a three piece improvisational group

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 15:35:41 +1100
From: DAVID_MITCHELL@HP-Australia-om1.om.hp.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex features?
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G'day everyone,

As a new arrival to the list, I've been waiting for someone to list the
Vortex features, but it hasn't happened over the last few weeks...

It sounds like what I want, the price is certainly right at the moment
and Xmas is coming up; could someone please list out the features and/or
any user experiences?

If this is in a FAQ or on a web site somewhere, just point me to the
place.

Thanks in advance

Dave Mitchell

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:24:55 -0700 (MST)
From: Dan Howarth <howarth@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: stickwire-l@netcom.com
cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: FS: stick
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hi folks,

i'm selling my stick. (still trying, i guess i should say... i've had no
replies yet). please contact me (not the list) if you're interested.

****************************************************************
**  Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson **
**  http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction)    **
****************************************************************

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 23:37:52 +0000
From: Anton Chovit <antonc@earthlink.net>
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Hey Dan, I still don't want to buy your stick.  Sorry!

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:13:21 +0000
From: Anton Chovit <antonc@earthlink.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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Hey there mate!  As one who just purchased a vortex, I will try to
describe my first impressions.  To preface, I must say that I demoed one
of these a year or so ago and was totally unimpressed.  I couldn't get
it to sound good for anything at the music store with someone else's
setup (and a guitar I didn't like).  This summer my brother bought a
unit and has been doing some really incredible things with it.  So I
finaly broke down and got one. =20

FIRST IMPRESSIONS OF A VORTEX

=95It is weird.
=95Not like other effects.
=95The presets suck without tweeking (especially the MIX parameter) and
proper stereo set-up.
=95The interface is actually simple and somewhat intuitive: Since I am
used to completely unintuitive, awkward interfaces like an R8M or a DX7
it took me a while to realize this.
=95With tweeking, it is capable of some of the coolest sounds are I have
ever created.
=95Can sound like a complete pedal effect layout gone quite crazy.  Way
more interesting than the typical DDL/reverb/multi effects I've used.
=95Then I tried morphing; Whoa!! I've never done that before!
=95Next I plugged-in an expression pedal and things got really twisted.
=95Between morphing and the real time expresion pedal control, I know of
no equal effect unit. (I've used an ART SGX2000 with the x-15 MIDI
controller w/expression control, etc., but that is apples to oranges)
=95Sounds like an orchestral mix between simultaneous envelope filters,
delays, and modulating flange & chourus effects.
=95Allows me to play the effect as much as/(and as if it were) the
instrument(s)
=95This is going to take a long time to figure out.
=95This is going to be fun to use for a long time!
=95Bottom Line #1:For $150 what do you want?  THIS THING ROCKS!!!!!
=95Bottom Line #2:I want another one.

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 03:18:54 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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Dave Mitchell wrote,

>As a new arrival to the list, I've been waiting for someone to list the
>Vortex features, but it hasn't happened over the last few weeks...

Dave, here's the condensed version:

The Lexicon Vortex is a stereo-capable signal processor which includes a
pair of delays, a pair of modulators, and an envelope follower,
which can be configured in a variety of ways.  It stores 16 pairs
of factory patches and 16 user-programmable patch pairs.  What makes
it totally different from most other processors is its capacity
to "morph" between the two patches in each pair, either with an
expression pedal or by programming a morph duration (which can be
up to ten seconds) and using a footswitch.  Some seriously twisted
things can happen during the morph, and the envelope follower can
make things even stranger.  The two delays can be cascaded for a total
maximum delay time of 1.846 seconds; tempo can be tapped in with a
footswitch; and it can be configured as a looping sampler.  It can
also be used more conventionally, with flanger, chorus, tremolo, and
rotary speaker effects combined with delays in various ways. 

Since I've had mine for only a short time, I'm certainly no authority.
You can read the same user reports that seduced me into buying mine at
http://www.annihilist.com/loop/archive/filtered/Vortex.html
along with some cautionary tales from Vortex purchasers outside the USA.

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/
 

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:31:02 +0000
From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton)
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Digitech Whammy pedal
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     Calling all loopers
     
     Does anyone out there have an experience good or bad with the Whammy 
     Pedal?
     
     It appears to be something I could use, but just a shade expensive in 
     the UK. I'm mainly concerned with sound quality. Do its harmonisations 
     `warble' (as my Zoom pedal already does!) or is it (relatively) 
     stable?
     
     Cheers
     
     
     David

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:23:24 GMT
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr )
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex features?
Message-Id: <8467.199612111323@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
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I've asked this before. About 3 times.  Please, _someone_ answer!  

How do you change patches on the Vortex if it doesn't have MIDI?  If it's
supposedly a performance-based processor how do you change patches during
performance? Is it just by up/down pedals, or what???

Michael 

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes      Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979        University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
        "Everything in moderation, including moderation" (Zen Proverb)

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 09:39:37 CST
From: "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMaster.Com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ToddM@lasermaster.com
Subject: Re[2]: Vortex features?
Message-Id: <9611118503.AA850325900@ccmailgate.LaserMaster.Com>

Hey:


> I've asked this before. About 3 times.  Please, _someone_ answer!  

Really?  I don't remember.  Sorry.

> How do you change patches on the Vortex if it doesn't have MIDI?  If it's
> supposedly a performance-based processor how do you change patches during
> performance? Is it just by up/down pedals, or what???

The unit has jacks for momentary footswitches.  One footswitch comes with
the unit.  The one I have set-up has the A footswitch set to morph from A
to B on a given patch.  The B footswitch is set to be the tap tempo delay
footswitch.

The other jack allows for another two button footswitch.  One allows for
advancing upwards in patches (i.e. from 0 to 16).  The other allows for
bypass of the unit altogether.

How do you play it in a performance situation?  Well, I have a patch for
effect #2 on the unit so that A and B are two different sounds - I use the
A patch for clean rhythm sounds and solo sounds, and the B patch I use with
various delay times for clean drone or synth type sounds for guitar.

If I need chorus (10) or doubling (8) I walk over to my rack between tunes
and set it there - kind of unweildy so far.

I do not yet have a second footswitch for advancing through the presets,
although that will come since, as I said, it is unweildy.

There's also a way-cool jack that allows you to control the channel 
switching of your amplifier (or preamp or whatever) just by moving from
A to B - that's very cool.  I can press one footswitch and have my
pre-amp move from rhythm to lead and simultaneously set the vortex to
move to a sound appropriate for it.

I also need an expression pedal - I'm looking at the rolls as being the
most economical.

I'd also love a second vortex before they vanish from the face of the earth
since my ART SGE is now pretty much defunct (all the digital stuff blew up
when my lil' studio got a lightning hit, everything else was fine - but it
makes a horrid 60hz sound now).

Todd Madson.






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Date: 11 Dec 96 11:04:20 EST
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Vortex features?
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Michael pleads:

>How do you change patches on the Vortex if it doesn't have MIDI?  If it's
>supposedly a performance-based processor how do you change patches during
>performance? Is it just by up/down pedals, or what???

I thought someone *had* answered, but maybe I dreamt it. Anyway, there are
up/down pedals for changing programs. You have the ability to store your sounds
in any register you want, and you can "clear" a register, so that you set up a
chain of effects (1-2-3; 5-6-7-8; etc.--thus avoiding having to scroll though
all 16 registers in a given bank). Also the A/B (bank/morph) switch also has the
added bonus of sending a relay off to a channel switching amp. This, I know, has
been commented on earlier.

Also: I don't know the final status of this, but at one point Digital Music Corp
(Ground Control MIDI foot controller) and Lex had discussed a special set of
software for the Ground Control that would have specific JamMan commands, and
also sent analog switching off to the Vortex. I don't know if it ever evolved,
but someone out there might have heard. 

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:29:39 -0600
From: John Ott <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers Delight'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Vortex link, First post
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_MN1-961211162939Z-33087@Exchange_MN1.ATK.COM>

Hello Loopers

Just joined the list.   Got my Jamman and an Ebow delivered from
Musicians Friend last night.
(stayed up way too late)

Here is a Vortex link I came accross while researching the Jamman:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/Vortex-spec.html

Jamman link is:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/JamMan-spec.html

Later
John

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 23:35:03 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Vortex features?
Message-Id: <199612111734.JAA13648@scv2.apple.com>
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>I've asked this before. About 3 times.  Please, _someone_ answer!  
>
>How do you change patches on the Vortex if it doesn't have MIDI?  If it's
>supposedly a performance-based processor how do you change patches during
>performance? Is it just by up/down pedals, or what???


There are two ways to change patches on the Vortex, either by turning the 
knob on the front panel, or connecting a momentary-contact switch to the 
back panel.  With the momentary switch (Lexicon includes a flimsy one 
with the Vortex, which can also be used to switch between the A and B 
presets in each patch), you can increment up the patch number, once with 
each press of the switch.  It rolls over at 16, going back to 1.  There's 
no way to increment down.

For performance purposes, I prefer to keep an expression pedal connected, 
which allows me to morph between the A and B presets dynamically.  If I 
want to switch patches, I use my hand.  

Travis Hartnett

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Date: 11 Dec 96 12:33:14 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Vortex features?
Message-ID: <961211173314_100041.247_JHB106-2@CompuServe.COM>

hi Dave,
 
> could someone please list out the features and/or any user experiences?
> If this is in a FAQ or on a web site somewhere, just point me to the
> place.
 
check out the Looper's Delight website - there are collections of previous
posts, one collection containing nothing but Vortex related messages (up to
end of October I think).
 
-Michael
 
 

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:03:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Cook <ecook@conch.aa.msen.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Digitech Whammy pedal
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On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, David Orton wrote:

>      Calling all loopers
>
>      Does anyone out there have an experience good or bad with the Whammy
>      Pedal?
>
>      It appears to be something I could use, but just a shade expensive in
>      the UK. I'm mainly concerned with sound quality. Do its harmonisations
>      `warble' (as my Zoom pedal already does!) or is it (relatively)
>      stable?


David --

I don't use one, but the guitarist that I play with does.  It's been
useful for us.  Some of the higher range of pitchshifting (say, from
a little above 1 octave, up to 2 octaves) is a bit warbly, but not
digustingly so (and once you get up to 2 octaves, pretty much anything you
play sounds silly anyway :)
Pitchshifting down, and the harmonization effects are cleaner.  Oh, and
the Whammy II does seem to have a cleaner sound than the original model.
That, and an input gain control make it the better choice of the two.
(Not sure if you can even find the 1st version anymore, in any case.)

Haven't heard the Zoom pedal, so I can't make a relative comparison
between the two.


 --Eric Cook                ecook@mail.msen.com
  Gravitar-Guy              http://www.msen.com/~ecook/gravitar.html

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:27:10 -0500
From: KILLINFO@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex features?
Message-ID: <961211153840_1388477009@emout07.mail.aol.com>

Michael,

You wrote

>  How do you change patches on the Vortex if it doesn't 
>  have MIDI?  If it's supposedly a performance-based 
>  processor how do you change patches during performance? 
>  Is it just by up/down pedals, or what???

Yes, that's essentially it (other than an EV-5 or some 
such pedal that allows for "morphing" between effects
pairs). That and the front panel knob are al you've got
on a Vortex.

Ted

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:43:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: implied rhythms
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> I maybe must say something of little respect: Its time to go way beyond
> Fripp in terms of looping! I said that to himself, too: A part of a long
> letter I wrote over a year ago was:
> 
> ...until I found the Soundscapes CD at the beginning of this year.
> Listening to it, I felt the desire to contact you: I learned so much about
> guitar playing and music from you, mainly in the 70's, and I am still a
> rather limited musician. But now, I have developed the looping way of
> playing to a degree, where I could teach you something, too - about the
> technology of the machine and its musical applications.
> 
> He never answered. Maybe I was not delicate enough or did not understand
> his record. Or he and his disciples stick to what has been found, just the
> same way as many stick to Strat-Marsh music as developped by Hendrix...

He was probably offended by the "I could teach you something" part. I've
seen this happen in the taijiquan (martial art) community with instructors
who think they know everything there is to know and greet any notion
that there is still a thing or two to learn with affrontery and denial.

I'm hardly a bigshot but you folks on this list have really opened my
eyes about making music with loops.


Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:52:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Neil Goldstein <ngold@teleport.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: VG8 with Ebow?
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Anybody use an Ebow on a VG8? Wonder how it works since the pickup is the
piezo hex one rather than magnetic.

I just joined the list 2 weeks ago and couldn't resist getting a Vortex and
am very happy with it. Thanks to all for the "references". Wide timbral
range with the VG8, should provide enough to explore through the millenium!



Neil
ngold@teleport.com
Portland, OR USA

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:29:26 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: VG8 with Ebow?
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>Anybody use an Ebow on a VG8? Wonder how it works since the pickup is the
>piezo hex one rather than magnetic.
>


Well I don't know about the VG-8 , buut the e-bow works fine on the piezo's
on my Ovation 1867. Not as responsive nor as much fun as magnetic pickups,
but it does drives the string.

Patrick

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 06:29:33 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: VG8 with Ebow?
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>>Anybody use an Ebow on a VG8? Wonder how it works since the pickup is the
>>piezo hex one rather than magnetic.
>>
>
>
>Well I don't know about the VG-8 , buut the e-bow works fine on the piezo's
>on my Ovation 1867. Not as responsive nor as much fun as magnetic pickups,
>but it does drives the string.

I don't think it's the type of pickup that determines the responsiveness, 
but rather the type of string.  Regular acoustic strings have a lower 
magnetic content, and aren't as agitated by the Ebow.  If you put a set 
of regular eletric guitar strings on your acoustic, it'd be as responsive 
as your electric.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:31:38 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: VG8 with Ebow?
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>>>Anybody use an Ebow on a VG8? Wonder how it works since the pickup is the
>>>piezo hex one rather than magnetic.

>>Well I don't know about the VG-8 , buut the e-bow works fine on the piezo's
>>on my Ovation 1867. Not as responsive nor as much fun as magnetic pickups,
>>but it does drives the string.

>I don't think it's the type of pickup that determines the responsiveness, 
>but rather the type of string.  Regular acoustic strings have a lower 
>magnetic content, and aren't as agitated by the Ebow.  If you put a set 
>of regular eletric guitar strings on your acoustic, it'd be as responsive 
>as your electric.

I agree with Travis, but suggest stainless steel strings rather than
regular nickel or monel electric strings.  Stainless steel is much
brighter, lasts a lot longer, and yields an acoustic sound that
is much more acceptable to my ear.  YMMV...

John                              Email:  johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/

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