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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 35

Today's Topics:
  Re: Fripp and the Plex                [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ]
  Re: Syncing to MIDI                   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Fripp and the Plex                [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Fripp and the Plex                [ "S. Patrick Hickey" <hickeysp@niels ]
  Echoplex Pedal ??                     [ David Talento <legion@voicenet.com> ]
  Re:Red                                [ Kevin Simonson <simonson@uis.edu> ]
  Echoplex power-up weirdness           [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  re: digitech whammy and Fripp         [ John Ott <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Looping vs delay effects              [ Neil Goldstein <ngold@teleport.com> ]
  Re: Looping vs delay effects          [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  RE: Looping vs delay effects          [ John Ott <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: I coulda had uh ebowed V8         [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  Re: Ridiculous Echoprice & software   [ Chris Chovit <cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.go ]
  Re: Fripp and the Plex                [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  KC video: live in japan, oct. 95      [ Dan Howarth <howarth@U.Arizona.EDU> ]
  Re: Ridiculous Echoprice & software   [ Anton Chovit <antonc@earthlink.net> ]
  Re: Echoplex power-up weirdness       [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  RE: KC video: live in japan, oct. 95  [ John Ott <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: Ridiculous Echoprice & software   [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]

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Date: 16 Dec 96 09:39:29 EST
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Fripp and the Plex
Message-ID: <961216143928_74074.1316_GHQ87-1@CompuServe.COM>

Kim writes:

>So how's this: at the time, I had only listened to one of their albums
>years before, when I had borrowed it from a friend for a week. So I could
>hardly be described as a fan. So in addition to being totally unfamiliar
>with their music, I knew practically nothing about Robert Fripp, aside >from
little tidbits I had picked up here and there from reading Guitar >Player. If
there was some magnitude to the event, it was certainly wasted >on me!

I, too had an interesting Crimson backstage experience, though I didn't meet up
with Mr. Fripp. I had a great time chatting with Tony and Bill, and later Pat
(who had gotten the passes), and when I found Adirian, he was talking with
Reeves Gabrels (with whom I had been hanging two nights previous after the PJ
Harvey concert with Joe Gore on guitar). Anyway, Adrian looks at me, and says "I
know you" and of course I re-introduce myself (for the 3rd time) as Jon Durant,
Lexicon. To which he says, rather unpleasantly, "oh yeah, right. How'd you get
back here?" Gee, Adrian, everyone in the band uses our gear (including
yourself), is it so surprising that a couple of 'em offered me tickets, etc?
What a dick.

Also re: Fripp and Frippertronics/Soundscapes. Earlier, our friend Paolo made
reference to the need to go beyond Fripp in this loopage arena, and I heartily
applaud him for his words and vision. Last year I bought "Blessing of Tears"
with some trepidation. I thought it would blow me away, and I'd feel like an
idiot trying to make loop-based music in the face of his maginitude. So I put it
on, and immediately begin to feel like I was right. Then, several things
happend: 1. the music didn't progress. It built to a level, and stayed there. 2.
There were no dynamic shifts, nor were there any moments of absolute release.
Just this (beautiful) wash of sound. 3. Then track 2 comes on, and it's the same
thing (essentially) as track 1. No textural change, same harmonic structure, no
difference from where I sat. As the record wore on, I had to turn it off. Then
someone gave me a copy of Radiophonics. It begins with some wild atonal stuff,
and I thought "yeah, OK, here we go". But it didn't go anywhere. Just a whole
CD's worth of this stuff. 

Long way of saying, Fripp has great ideas, and is doing interesting work, but
it's not enough on its own. I walked away from those two CDs thinking, "He's
left the door wide open for the rest of us". 

Anyway, my $0.02 worth. 

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:11:20 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Syncing to MIDI
Message-Id: <v01520d02aed973159ec2@[200.254.32.109]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Anton Chovit:
>>> I have also noticed that when syncing to MIDI (sync= IN), if start the
>>> MIDI (drum machine, seq, etc.) then hit record, the plex goes to 000 and
>>> waits for the MIDI "one beat" (as it should).  However, if I delete this
>>> loop or try sereral takes, eventually, the plex looses the "one beat"
>>> and jsuts starts recording as soon as I hit record.  The only way to get
>>> things working is to shut off/on the plex, stop the MIDI and start
>>> over.

The Man Himself:
>>Yeah, I've run into this problem many times as well.  It's kind of a drag
>>to have to power down, power back up, then start from scratch every time
>>you want to sync a new loop.  Perhaps this is yet another element
>>corrected in the upgrade?

Kim:
>Should be. We worked on midi syncing a lot. I'll have to revisit it to see
>that it deals with the situations you guys are talking about it.


This sound like two different problems to me:

One is, that the Plex only knows that you want to sync to some external
clock, after in Reset, the one beat passed once. It means that you have to
wait for the left green dot to flash once, before you press RECORD,
otherwhise it starts recording immediately.

The other problem is, that MIDI does not tell the Plex, when the one beat
is. So if the sequencer continues running and you stop and do another
Record, it might wait, but not for the correct one beat. This can be fixed
by stopping and restarting the MIDIclock, in other words stop and start the
sequencer.
The Plex watches the MIDIclock coming: After there was none for some time
(sequencer stopped), the very next is considered a beginning of a note.

Confusion in this talk can increase because MIDI puts out 12 clocks during
one 8th of a note. So one problem for the soft is to find the first of
these 12 clocks (the stop-start trick), and another problem, probably
rather of the user, is to get the right note as the first of the bar.

I hope this is correct (I do not use it myself and treated it some time
ago). If this does not solve the problem, please tell me and I will go
though it more seriously.

Matthias

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:11:29 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Fripp and the Plex
Message-Id: <v01520d03aed9752c1c7b@[200.254.32.109]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>So, you met Crimso.  How nice for you.
...
>I did enjoy the show enough to go out and buy a couple of albums (Thrak and
>Discipline). I like the music, but it hasn't exactly been in heavy rotation
>in the cd player....

I once had ALL the Crimson albums. When I moved here, I just kept "islands"
and "red" which I find marvelous.

Matthias

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:26:58 -0500
From: "S. Patrick Hickey" <hickeysp@nielsenmedia.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Fripp and the Plex
Message-Id: <199612161526.KAA11127@nielsenmedia.com>

Red (the song) has got to be one of my all-time favorite energizing
demonic songs.

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:11:24 -0500 (EST)
From: David Talento <legion@voicenet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Echoplex Pedal ??
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961216110727.11821B-100000@omni1>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I recently picked up an Obie echoplex without the pedal. I was messing 
around with it's midi on one of my old keyboards and figured out how to 
assign  record, overdub, reverse, etc. to individual keys. This got me 
thinking about all the cheap used mdidi foot pedal (ADA, ART X15 etc) 
that are floating around and if they could do the trick as well.

I'm considering buying the actual obie pedal for this although it's over 
$100 and if I'm gonna spend that money I'd rather get a pedal with a 
little more flexibilty that i can use on other gear.

has anyone used an off the shelf midi copntroller pedalboard to control 
their echoplex? any suggestions on one to check out or settings to use?

Forgive me if thsi is covered somewhere. Just point me to a URl or FAQ 
and I'll dig it out myself if it is.

Thanks for any/all advice.

David

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:30:00 -0700 (CST)
From: Kevin Simonson <simonson@uis.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:Red
Message-Id: <199612161630.AA110233800@eagle.uis.edu>
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> 
> Red (the song) has got to be one of my all-time favorite energizing
> demonic songs.
> 
I have a casette wedged in my car stereo that is ONLY Red...over and over
and over (off topic, but technically still a loop  :))


-- 
Kevin Simonson                      * AS/400 Application Development Team
University of Illinois-Springfield  * Norwest Mortgage, Inc.
Computer Science, et al.            * Springfield, IL    
simonson@eagle.uis.edu              *

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 10:32:40 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Echoplex power-up weirdness
Message-Id: <199612161632.IAA06346@scv2.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Kim,

I've had my Echoplex for about a week now, and just about everytime I 
turn it on, the front panel lights will flicker about in a random manner. 
 If I turn it on and off three or four times, it's fine.  Any ideas?

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:04:26 -0600
From: John Ott <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers Delight'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: re: digitech whammy and Fripp
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_MN1-961216190426Z-41163@Exchange_MN1.ATK.COM>

>>I use the Whammy II (the jprices are dropping) and it has many uses ... at
the price (less than $200) it does not do a bad job of on the fly
harmonizing and pitch shifting within preset parameters ... but with the
pedal one can get in between various setting, create some interesting
noise
... and do some other neat things ... shifting pitch one and two octaves
higher just before a good reverb unit and feeding it a good tone, makes
for
some sweet lines.

Paul>



Calling all loopers
>
>     Does anyone out there have an experience good or bad with the Whammy
>     Pedal?
>
>     It appears to be something I could use, but just a shade expensive in
>     the UK. I'm mainly concerned with sound quality. Do its harmonisations
>     `warble' (as my Zoom pedal already does!) or is it (relatively)
>     stable?
>
>     Cheers
>
>
>     David<<



I use the Digitech RP-6 multi-effects pedal  (I  got it for $319) which
has the Digitech Whammy as one of many effects.  Might be worth
the extra bucks if you don't have a lot of gear already)
I've been  very happy with this unit.   (if it only had more
delay I wouldn't have got the Jamman) It's great for
adding a fifth or third (or whatever you want) above a
note for cool ebow harmony effects.  

As for the recent review of "Blessing of Tears" posted here,
 I would say maybe it doesn't progress or resolve alot but I think
it works as atmosphere and for emotional content.  I really like
"Midnight Blue"  I also have Radiophonics but I've 
not listend to it as much.  I prefer the textures of "Blessing"
(also Fripp/Eno's "Evening star " lie in a dark room with
this on to cure bad headaches. works for me) 

I saw Fripp solo looping at Georgetown University last fall.  
He played some pieces similar  to "Blessing " and 
some like "Radiophonics".  One piece sounded like
angels singing harmony.  What a player

peace
John

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:54:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Neil Goldstein <ngold@teleport.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Looping vs delay effects
Message-Id: <v03007801aedae6a576e5@[206.163.123.50]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

This may have been discussed before, but I hear people mentioning things
like "if it had more delay, I wouldn't need a JamMan". IMHO, there is no
comparison between the delay you get on an effects unit, no matter how much
delay, and a dedicated looping device like JamMan or EchoPlex wherein the
player controls the loop start and stop point and *the material* that is
looped. There may be looping  occuring in the delay effect but it doesn't
have the flexibility for defining the *exact* loop one wants, esp regards
what should be recorded and what should pass the delay line. This can be
set up in patches or using real time control, but at some cost to
spontaneity, as each tempo or phrase length would demand a different tweak.

Though with that said, I love the happy "accidents" that happen playing
with crossfading delays in the Vortex and using midi controllers to change
feedback and delay time etc. in (my case) the Quadraverb 2.

This is said to hear what others have to say on this, more than my having a
strong opinion on the matter :-)





Neil
ngold@teleport.com
Portland, OR USA

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 14:22:56 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Looping vs delay effects
Message-Id: <199612162022.MAA09390@scv2.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I'm surprised at the number of people who want to control their Echoplex 
via a MIDI foot controller.  I prefer to have one foot controller for 
governing my sound options, and one for the loop.  I want to be be able 
to change sounds and control the loop without worrying about what bank 
I'm in.  Having two controllers allows me to potentially have access to 
all my presets, without having to reprogram my controller.  I haven't 
seen a midi controller that was flexible enough to handle all this, since 
you can't have multiple switches "active" (pressing a button delivers a 
preset, you can't have two switches "down" at the same time).  A hundred 
dollars is a hundred dollars, but I think that if you've got an 
Echoplex/Jamman and a rackmount preamp (or two) and a stereo setup, 
you're already in for a pile of green.  If someone knows of a robust (no 
skimpy MIDI/external AC adaptor connectors) and flexible (multiple 
switches on concurrently, namable patches, etc) for under $500, please 
let me know.  

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:23:18 -0600
From: John Ott <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Looping vs delay effects
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_MN1-961216202318Z-41504@Exchange_MN1.ATK.COM>

>----------
>>From:         Neil Goldstein
>This may have been discussed before, but I hear people mentioning things
>like "if it had more delay, I wouldn't need a JamMan". IMHO, there is no
>comparison between the delay you get on an effects unit, no matter how much
>delay, and a dedicated looping device like JamMan or EchoPlex wherein the
>player controls the loop start and stop point and *the material* that is
>looped. There may be looping  occuring in the delay effect but it doesn't
>have the flexibility for defining the *exact* loop one wants, esp regards
>what should be recorded and what should pass the delay line. This can be
>set up in patches or using real time control, but at some cost to
>spontaneity, as each tempo or phrase length would demand a different tweak.
>
>Though with that said, I love the happy "accidents" that happen playing
>with crossfading delays in the Vortex and using midi controllers to change
>feedback and delay time etc. in (my case) the Quadraverb 2.
>
>This is said to hear what others have to say on this, more than my having a
>strong opinion on the matter :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>Neil
>ngold@teleport.com
>Portland, OR USA<
>
>
Having more control is nice but my main reason to get the Jamman was
for longer Delay/Loop times.   The RP-6 has 5 different Loop modes
(changing
source and delay between two channels) It's main limitation is 800 msec
of
maximum delay per channel.  I've heard of people hacking more memory
to the RP-6, but I'd rather not do that myself.  I don't find that
control of 
the Jamman that much easier than the RP,  but I've only had the Jamman
for about a week.  I guess the main advantage is control of layering. 
Don't like the footswitch much ( need more controls)  Can anyone
recommend a MIDI-pedal they like for looping with the Jamman? 
(or the with echoplex for you more affluent  folks)   8-}  

peace
John
 
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:58:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: I coulda had uh ebowed V8
Message-Id: <199612162058.MAA26263@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
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> about the e-bow and the roland device.
> it's physics dude. basically what yer dealing with is a midi pick-up designed
> to respond to specific types of percussive vibration. If you were able to
> make this hexiphonic pickup more sensitive(by a huge amount) then you might

I would say the hex pickup is actually _more_ sensitive than most 
electric guitar pickups; it seems to be able to detect low-volume string
vibrations more easily.  That's why if you run a Roland guitar synth
signal and an electric guitar pickup signal in parallel as you sustain 
a note (without Ebows or other string drivers) the electric guitar signal
drops off much sooner than the synth.
 
> be able to use it in this way. in most ways the vg is a synth more than a
> effect.
> from my experience with both the vg-8/gr-1/etc and the gk-2/2a pickup it is
> not very practical to try to use the instrument in such a way.
> furthermore, the vg-8 is designed to replicate(as in replicant) complete
> guitar/amp/pickup and almost, even, technique ... if you could get the e-bow

Actually, it can be made to generate sounds that are not imitative of
the guitar at all. 

Using teh Ebow to sustain a VG8 violin sound, for example, is a very
reasonable application.

> to generate enough response from mr. V then more than likely you would not
> get any of the qualities that make the e-bow what it is.
> in my mind the vg-8 is an interesting piece that does away with much of the
> physicallity of electric quitar.

Since teh VG8 uses the strings of the guitar as the sound source rather
than oscillators, I find that a _lot_ of the expressive moves that can be
done with normal guitar also work very well on the VG8. Unlike MIDI
guitar or guitar synths, the VG8 responds very well to things like pinched
harmonics and notes being plucked at different points of the strings 
(plucked close to bridge vs. plucked closer to or on top of the fretboard).
A middle C note fretted at one part of the fretboard definitely sounds
different in comparison to a middle C fretted at another part of the
fretboard with the VG8; impossible for MIDI guitar/guitar synth.


Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:59:34 -0700
From: Chris Chovit <cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Echoprice & software upgrade
Message-Id: <v03007803aedb5949720a@[137.79.95.51]>
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James E. Williamson wrote:

>    I just wanted to annouce that the marketing geniuses at GMI, the
>parent company of Gibson and Oberheim, have decided once again, in
>their infinite wisdom, to raise the price of the Echoplex yet again, to
>a list price of 1000 US dollars, effective jan 1.  So, all of you iffy
>jamman people should jump ship immediately while the list price is only
>:) $700.

Oh man....this is unfortunate.  Kim, Matthias.....or anyone else with some
intuition in this area:

WHEN IS THE SOFTWARE UPGRADE GOING TO COME OUT??!!??

The frustration I'm feeling is probably what motivated Matthias to design
the 'plex in the first place....

- Chris





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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:15:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Fripp and the Plex
Message-Id: <199612162115.NAA26489@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
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> years before, when I had borrowed it from a friend for a week. So I could
> hardly be described as a fan. So in addition to being totally unfamiliar
> with their music, I knew practically nothing about Robert Fripp, aside from
> little tidbits I had picked up here and there from reading Guitar Player.
> If there was some magnitude to the event, it was certainly wasted on me!
> 
> I did enjoy the show enough to go out and buy a couple of albums (Thrak and
> Discipline). I like the music, but it hasn't exactly been in heavy rotation
> in the cd player....
> 
> kim

I think King Crimson's music serves as a useful bridge between "normal"
rock music and the wild n' woolly world of experimental and free-improvised
music for people who are used to more accessible rock, are willing to
be a little daring, but aren't quite ready yet for, say, Fred Frith,
Hans Reichel, Derek Bailey, Jim O' Rourke, Dr. Nerve,etc.
 
Kind of like Frank Zappa, except that while he used humor and sendups of
popular music forms to lure people into listening to adventurous music,
King Crimson relies on heavy riffs and rhythmic effects.  And both
excelled at creating public personalities to draw attention to themselves.


Just my opinion, of course.


Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:43:27 -0700 (MST)
From: Dan Howarth <howarth@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: stickwire-l@netcom.com
cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: KC video: live in japan, oct. 95
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.961216183311.55444B-100000@tortola.u.arizona.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

anybody else have this yet? i've watched it twice in the last 20 hours...
i'm sorry that i missed them on the tour, but this seems to make up for
it. there's great footage of everyone (except TG, in my opinion not
enough) and it's very well patched together - except for very annoying
camera shaking and panning (i think it was an attempt to be weird. just
kinda shook up my stomach a little - and being the worldest evil-est
band and slightly drunk... well, the camera didn't need to shake that
much - they're hard enough to follow as it is).
there's some neat footage of fripp dialing his effects during B'Boom, too.
very prominent TC 2290s and Eventide equipment in his main rack.

there's not much of a comparison between the stick and the warr guitar (of
which TG plays only the 8 string model) in the video. there is an
interesting version of the stick improv/duet from the live album, but the
processing of each was unclear for comparison value.

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**  Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson **
**  http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction)    **
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:45:41 +0000
From: Anton Chovit <antonc@earthlink.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Echoprice & software upgrade
Message-ID: <32B5C2F3.582E@earthlink.net>
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Pass me the vasoline; if I have to get screwed, at least LET IT FEEL
GOOD!

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:29:05 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex power-up weirdness
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>Kim,
>
>I've had my Echoplex for about a week now, and just about everytime I
>turn it on, the front panel lights will flicker about in a random manner.
> If I turn it on and off three or four times, it's fine.  Any ideas?
>
>Travis Hartnett

I don't know, it sounds a bit sick.

kim

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 09:58:45 -0600
From: John Ott <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: KC video: live in japan, oct. 95
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>From:  Dan Howarth
>Sent:  Tuesday, December 17, 1996 1:43 AM
>To:    John_Ott@ATK.COM
>Cc:    loopers-delight@annihilist.com
>Subject:       KC video: live in japan, oct. 95
>
>anybody else have this yet? i've watched it twice in the last 20 hours...
>i'm sorry that i missed them on the tour, but this seems to make up for
>it. there's great footage of everyone (except TG, in my opinion not
>enough) and it's very well patched together - except for very annoying
>camera shaking and panning (i think it was an attempt to be weird. just
>kinda shook up my stomach a little - and being the worldest evil-est
>band and slightly drunk... well, the camera didn't need to shake that
>much - they're hard enough to follow as it is).
>there's some neat footage of fripp dialing his effects during B'Boom, too.
>very prominent TC 2290s and Eventide equipment in his main rack.
>
>there's not much of a comparison between the stick and the warr guitar (of
>which TG plays only the 8 string model) in the video. there is an
>interesting version of the stick improv/duet from the live album, but the
>processing of each was unclear for comparison value.
<

Got this a few weeks ago myself (also the Fripp/Sylvian laserdisc) from
Possible Productions.   The video was originally shot for a Japanese
TV show.   Wierd video is from Director of the TV Show.   

What struck me as weird was Belew's guitars.  Saw KC twice 
(Warner june 95 DC as last summer at merriweather Post MD)
and Adrian had three Fender Custom Shop Strats both shows.
Yet in the Video he has just the one Strat and Plays a Les Paul
(one of Fripp's Tokai Les Paul copys?) and a Parker Fly.  He mentioned
in Guitar Player (June 95 KC feature) that he really likes the Fly
but would be using the Custom Shop Strats on Tour.  
Did some get lost or damaged in shipping?

>I'll have to post to ET to see if anyone knows the story behind this.
 
    The Fripp Sylvian disc is much better.  The director was very good
    at getting the soloist on film.   Cool interplay between Micheal
Brook and
    Fripp at one point.   I had the Damage CD (same tour different
shows)
    and had a some Ideas as to who played what.  The video straighted
that
    out.  (I was right about 80% but was dead wrong on one solo that
    I was sure was Trey Gunn (just like something on the Third Star)
only
    to find Fripp playing it in the Video, oh well they both use
Eventides)

    peace
    John

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:18:28 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Echoprice & software upgrade
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>Pass me the vasoline; if I have to get screwed, at least LET IT FEEL
>GOOD!

Yeah, this price increase pretty much excludes me from getting a plex, and
there's just no way I can get one in the next month, Damn. The worst part
of this is that a friend is loaning me his 'plex for a couple of weeks to
try it out, now I'll get hooked on it, and do something stupid with my
credit card...

on another subject, does anyone have any experience with the cheapo
samplers that Roland, Yamaha, and (I think) Akai are coming out with? I'm
putting together a portable MIDI/looping rig for touring, based around a
Roland mc-303 drum machine/sequencer, an SCI 6-trak analog synth, and the
Jamman. LXP-5 and an ancient ADA 2-second delay. I have 1 more input
available, and these tiny samplers sound like they'd fit in the gig-bag,
and my currently constrained budget.

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