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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 4

Today's Topics:
  Looping; Frisell content              [ andre cholmondeley <andre@monmouth. ]
  Gear Acquisition Syndrom              [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Re: lobbying for upgrades.            [ Jonathan Brainin <jbrainin@easyway. ]
  Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrom          [ jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor) ]
  Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrom          [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrom          [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Chris Chovit <cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.go ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  Gear Acquisition Syndrom              [ Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuSer ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Matthew F ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ andre cholmondeley <andre@monmouth. ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski,  ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Michael Peters <100041.247@compuser ]
  More on the CD Thingie                [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  personal profiles page                [ Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuSer ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Loopers CD                            [ "Steven R. Murrell" <smurrell@ford. ]
  Re: Analog Loops                      [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  MIDI Loops                            [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: MIDI Loops                        [ James Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com ]
  Re: MIDI Loops                        [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ Doug Michael <dmic27@ccnet.com> ]
  Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrom          [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: lobbying for upgrades.            [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 09:23:31 PST
From: andre cholmondeley <andre@monmouth.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Looping; Frisell content
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hey all

let's not forget the ever present gear source known as the used market 
- there are quite a few older units that loop from over the last 12 or 15 
years - i own 4 of 'em - a 2 sec digitech footpedal, an 8 sec digitech 
ftpdl (mentioned here as being Frisell's main stage box) , a digitech rack 
mounted "time machine 7.6 sec" which loops with modulation, 
invertable feedback, trigger & external pitch change control (these are 
a stellar find if you can), and finally a korg sdd2000 - these let you loop 
for about 3.5 sec

I know these aren't huge times - but i come up with endless stuff with 
these - and there are others  - we have to encourage people to buy 
used stuff anyway - we're generally getting screwed on new stuff. How 
come every other electronic/electric product has come down in price 
relative to other items - EXCEPT FOR musical equipment, huh. 
hmmmm. can you spell - 'captive/complacent audience...?'

BTW I saw Frisell with Vernon Reid do a duet with guitars, and lotsa 
gear in Dec 95 at Brooklyn Academy of Music (BAM) It was great - 
check out their 1985 album on RYKO... but the point was - Frisell did 
use the jam man on stage that night - i've seen him maybe 30 times in 
the last 4-5 years and it was the only time he wasn't using the little 
digitech box.

peace - andre

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:06:47 +0100 (MET)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Gear Acquisition Syndrom
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961030150331.2969A-100000@lovelace.infobiogen.fr>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Now that I think of it, after Andre's post, wouldn't it be nice/usefull
and so on that we make a little list of all the devices usable to loop. We
can imagine that not everyone of us are aware of all the good boxes
existing, and that way, we won't miss a good thing on tha second hand
market. Does it sound of any interest to you all?


Olivier Malhomme

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:12:21 -0500
From: Jonathan Brainin <jbrainin@easyway.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: lobbying for upgrades.
Message-ID: <32777055.684F@easyway.net>
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Paolo Valladolid wrote:
> 
> What is the possibility of Eventide producing a box that has _just_ the
> stereo looping functions?  Something that would sell for under $1000?
> 

>From what I understand, the likelihood of Eventide producing a 
dedicated looping box that would sell for less than $1000 is
nil.  Eventide is a small company that, by choice, makes high
end professional gear.  Given the more or less (perceived) 
failure of looping devices for the consumer market, Eventide 
will not make such a device.  I've asked more than once.  Given 
their limited resources, they've focused their efforts on the
next generation Ultra-Harmonizer.  

Jonathan

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:57:50 -0500
From: jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrom
Message-ID: <19961030165748955.AAA155@cola59.scsn.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

        yeah - i'd like to see this compendium. 


 

At 03:06 PM 10/30/96 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Now that I think of it, after Andre's post, wouldn't it be nice/usefull
>and so on that we make a little list of all the devices usable to loop. We
>can imagine that not everyone of us are aware of all the good boxes
>existing, and that way, we won't miss a good thing on tha second hand
>market. Does it sound of any interest to you all?
>
>
>Olivier Malhomme
>
>
>
>
Jay Taylor
Reporter
The State
Columbia, SC
(v) 803 771 8549
(f) 803 771 8430, 8480

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:35:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrom
Message-Id: <199610301735.JAA02222@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
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> Now that I think of it, after Andre's post, wouldn't it be nice/usefull
> and so on that we make a little list of all the devices usable to loop. We
> can imagine that not everyone of us are aware of all the good boxes
> existing, and that way, we won't miss a good thing on tha second hand
> market. Does it sound of any interest to you all?
> 
> 
> Olivier Malhomme

This is a fantastic idea!


Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:09:16 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrom
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>Now that I think of it, after Andre's post, wouldn't it be nice/usefull
>and so on that we make a little list of all the devices usable to loop. We
>can imagine that not everyone of us are aware of all the good boxes
>existing, and that way, we won't miss a good thing on tha second hand
>market. Does it sound of any interest to you all?
>
>
>Olivier Malhomme

The web page already has this started!!!

Its just waiting for more people to come along and add their favorites to it.

kim

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:58:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <199610302158.NAA05033@pure.PureAtria.COM>

>What is the problem in making 1000 CDs? Lack of investing members?
>
>So far:
>
>David
>Matthias
>Ted
>Collier
>Todd
>Ray
>Michael

I'm not in if this is done as a semi-commercial vanture like this.  I
thought it was just going to be a friendly list disk.

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:32:36 -0400
From: Chris Chovit <cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v03007808ae9d5d6a7b53@[192.150.34.253]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Count me in too!  Currently, I don't have anything to submit, but give me a
deadline and I'll have something ready!  Also I have a friend who works for
a graphic design company.  I'll ask him if he'd donate his time and/or
resources.

- Chris


>>What is the problem in making 1000 CDs? Lack of investing members?
>>
>>So far:
>>
>>David
>>Matthias
>>Ted
>>Collier
>>Todd
>>Ray
>>Michael
>
>I'm not in if this is done as a semi-commercial vanture like this.  I
>thought it was just going to be a friendly list disk.


---------------------------------------
Chris Chovit
cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov
---------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:15:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <199610302315.PAA22114@pure.PureAtria.COM>

>Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my count looks
>like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your hand!)

I'm interested, and can burn CDs, if it's a small, home-made list-only
type thing.

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Date: 30 Oct 96 18:27:55 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Gear Acquisition Syndrom
Message-ID: <961030232754_100041.247_JHB115-1@CompuServe.COM>

Olivier:
> that we make a little list of all the devices usable to loop.
> We can imagine that not everyone of us are aware of all the good boxes
> existing, and that way, we won't miss a good thing on tha second hand
> market. Does it sound of any interest to you all?
 
Yes, very much!! contributions pleaze!
(judging from, say, the 'essential looping records' page, not many
contributions will come, but who knows)
 
-Michael

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:43:48 -0800
From: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Matthew F. McCabe)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v01530501ae9d69bd955a@[132.241.248.68]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my count looks
>like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your hand!)
>
>Andre LaFosse
>Dave Trenkel
>David Kirkdorffer
>David Orton
>Doug Michael
>Jon Morris
>Louis Collier Hyams
>Matthias Grob
>Michael Hughes
>Michael Peters
>Patrick Smith
>Ray Peck
>Ted R. Killian
>Todd Madson

I'd like to ad my name (Matt McCabe) to the Loopers-Delight CD list!!!  Thanks!




------------------------------------------------------------
King Never   http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~finley/kingnever.html
------------------------------------------------------------
Matthew F. McCabe
Able Cain
King Never
Marathon Records



      

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 22:59:21 PST
From: andre cholmondeley <andre@monmouth.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.006e6472652020203445303430303139@MAPI.to.RFC822>
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add my name!! i'm the other, 'new' andre who prompted the new list 
of older devices, it seems

---> Andre Cholmondeley


>Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my 
count looks
>like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your 
hand!)
>
>Andre LaFosse
>Dave Trenkel
>David Kirkdorffer
>David Orton
>Doug Michael
>Jon Morris
>Louis Collier Hyams
>Matthias Grob
>Michael Hughes
>Michael Peters
>Patrick Smith
>Ray Peck
>Ted R. Killian
>Todd Madson

I'd like to ad my name (Matt McCabe) to the Loopers-Delight CD list!!! 
 Thanks!




------------------------------------------------------------
King Never   http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~finley/kingnever.html
------------------------------------------------------------
Matthew F. McCabe
Able Cain
King Never
Marathon Records



      

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:24:26 -0500
From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v01520d01ae9dda5f95c8@[205.216.96.75]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my count looks
>>like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your hand!)
>>
>>Andre LaFosse
>>Dave Trenkel
>>David Kirkdorffer
>>David Orton
>>Doug Michael
>>Jon Morris
>>Louis Collier Hyams
>>Matthias Grob
>>Michael Hughes
>>Michael Peters
>>Patrick Smith
>>Ray Peck
>>Ted R. Killian
>>Todd Madson
>
>I'd like to ad my name (Matt McCabe) to the Loopers-Delight CD list!!!  Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>King Never   http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~finley/kingnever.html
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Matthew F. McCabe
>Able Cain
>King Never
>Marathon Records
>
>
>Please add my name to the list

Paul
>

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Date: 30 Oct 96 19:14:22 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@compuserve.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-ID: <961031001422_100041.247_JHB68-1@CompuServe.COM>

hi Ray,
 
> I'm not in if this is done as a semi-commercial vanture like this.
> I thought it was just going to be a friendly list disk.
 
We're still discussing several possible models of how to exchange ideas -
we haven't decided for a commercial venture, nor against it (I think).
Maybe we should first do a CD just for list members, and then see if it has
enough 'commercial potential' to produce larger quantities.
 
At any rate, I'm sure everyone would agree that the disk (or whatever will be
the outcome) should foremost remain a friendly project!
 
-Michael
 

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:20:24 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: More on the CD Thingie
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961030221546.19299A-100000@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I'm still interested *generally* in the notion of doing some sort of
compilation CD derived from the membership of the list, but I do think
that it should be done one step at a time.  In other words, first do it on
a small basis, and independently burn enough CDs to cover the interested
parties on the list.  Once we know what we've got, and are of some sort of
consensus about it, then we can start thinking about mass-production
and/or distribution. 

I do think that jumping into the notion of running off a batch of 1000 
CDs before we know exactly what we've got is rather premature.  So again, 
I'd recommend doing it on a small scale first and foremost.  

--Andre (West Coast Edition)

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Date: 31 Oct 96 03:14:41 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: personal profiles page
Message-ID: <961031081441_100041.247_JHB72-1@CompuServe.COM>

> i'm the other, 'new' andre who prompted the new list of older devices
 
welcome 'new' andre, 'the other' michael, and all the other new
participants!
 
the list seems to be growing fast, and it becomes harder to keep track of
who is who, but if you want, you can step out of anonymity and introduce
yourself to the other list members by putting your 'personal profile' on our
'worldwide index of loop artists' web page. to do this, please submit your
personal profile via private email to 100041.247@compuserve.com. (it will
take at least a week until it turns up on the page.)
 
you're also welcome to contribute reviews of your favorite looping records
for the 'essential loop recordings' loopology web page (also send to me
please), as well as listings and descriptions of looping devices.
 
-michael peters
 

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:22:05 +0100 (MET)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961031092124.22182A-100000@lovelace.infobiogen.fr>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

In regard of money involved, I'd like to be in toooo

Olivier Malhomme


On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Matthew F. McCabe wrote:

> >Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my count looks
> >like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your hand!)
> >
> >Andre LaFosse
> >Dave Trenkel
> >David Kirkdorffer
> >David Orton
> >Doug Michael
> >Jon Morris
> >Louis Collier Hyams
> >Matthias Grob
> >Michael Hughes
> >Michael Peters
> >Patrick Smith
> >Ray Peck
> >Ted R. Killian
> >Todd Madson
> 
> I'd like to ad my name (Matt McCabe) to the Loopers-Delight CD list!!!  Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> King Never   http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~finley/kingnever.html
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Matthew F. McCabe
> Able Cain
> King Never
> Marathon Records
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:33:02 -0500
From: "Steven R. Murrell" <smurrell@ford.com>
To: "'Loop'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Loopers CD
Message-Id: <199610311635.AA04452@internet-mail.ford.com>
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>>Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my count looks
>>like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your hand!)
>>
>>Andre LaFosse
>>Dave Trenkel
>>David Kirkdorffer
>>David Orton
>>Doug Michael
>>Jon Morris
>>Louis Collier Hyams
>>Matthias Grob
>>Michael Hughes
>>Michael Peters
>>Patrick Smith
>>Ray Peck
>>Ted R. Killian
>>Todd Madson
>

I am interested as well.  Of course I will be listening for additional info.......


Steve Murrell

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:23:19 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Analog Loops
Message-Id: <v01520d00ae9e88c1e52b@[200.254.32.132]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Patrik:
>So as you can see we have a good analog base to our loops, but also digital
>and FM synths. We've also used acoustic guitar and a vase filled with
>marbles and water. Whatever the music requires is what drives us.

So the music required marbles and water? How interesting.
How do you mike the vase?
Do you loop it on stage, too?

Curious Matthias

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:23:29 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: MIDI Loops
Message-Id: <v01520d02ae9e8d01e4d7@[200.254.32.132]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>About how looping synth via midi, Matthias asked how to do it?
>Quite simple. My cubase has midi delay in it. I set the thing on the
>duration I want. You can easily synced it to tempo, since it is a midi
>delay.

Oh I see, it like a digital effect for MIDI, not the sequencer itself you use.
But can you control its parameters while playing so as to "freeze" a loop
for soloing or have it fade out to renew it etc?
Is there any option to multiply the delay time while playing?

Still curious
Matthias

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:23:36 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
Message-Id: <v01520d03ae9e8dc813a8@[200.254.32.132]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Olivier:
>Well this is a quite developping thing. I'm afrais i would not be able to
>pay 250$ for such a project, nut this double CD idea might lower the price
>for everyone, and i'm quite sure we would find enough qulity things to
>fill the thing....

Yes, that makes sense.
Since you are all guitar players (and some synth and marbles :-), I suggest
that we search for some other instruments to complete.

- In France lives David Hoppkins building and playing all kinds of
percussion instruments and flutes and so on. He made three CDs so far. The
one with only bambu instruments (but full 16 channel orchestra of them!) I
recorded and we used loops. He still uses the LOOP delay a lot, I hope.

- In Switzerland Matthias Ziegler uses the LOOP delay with bass and bariton
flutes. He got famous for playing with Andreas Vollenweider and has his own
CD out. I guess he plays in US, too.

- In San Franzisco Jim Mahoney sings solo concerts with a LOOP delay. I
have seen one and have some recordings here. Amazing african high pitch
jazz voice and mouth percussion. I have no Idea why he did not join the
list.
He had a afro jazz band called Nomad and brought a beautyfull CD out (no
loops on it)

I doubt that those guys would pay to appear because they have their work
out. But it could make the LOOP CD richer.
Should I invite them?

Matthias

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:50:09 +0000
From: James Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MIDI Loops
Message-ID: <32789202.FD2@interaccess.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Matthias Grob wrote:
> 
> >About how looping synth via midi, Matthias asked how to do it?
> >Quite simple. My cubase has midi delay in it. I set the thing on the
> >duration I want. You can easily synced it to tempo, since it is a midi
> >delay.
> 
> Oh I see, it like a digital effect for MIDI, not the sequencer itself you use.
> But can you control its parameters while playing so as to "freeze" a loop
> for soloing or have it fade out to renew it etc?
> Is there any option to multiply the delay time while playing?
> 
> Still curious
> Matthias

I've achieved midi looping two ways. One was to trick
MOTU Performer into looping and doing additive recording
on the same track at the same time, the primary problem
was chasing note releases on playback.  The other is to
use Opcode MAX, with which you can do just about anything
you could want (with midi), provided you have the time
to build and debug it.  It is very easy w/ Max to do
midi delay lines w/ feedback.

jim

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:08:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MIDI Loops
Message-Id: <199610311808.KAA13020@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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> >About how looping synth via midi, Matthias asked how to do it?
> >Quite simple. My cubase has midi delay in it. I set the thing on the
> >duration I want. You can easily synced it to tempo, since it is a midi
> >delay.
> 
> Oh I see, it like a digital effect for MIDI, not the sequencer itself you use.
> But can you control its parameters while playing so as to "freeze" a loop
> for soloing or have it fade out to renew it etc?
> Is there any option to multiply the delay time while playing?
> 
> Still curious
> Matthias

I used an Opcode Max patch that had eight delay lines, each of which
pitch-shifted to a different interval and each of which had it's own 
"seed" number to multiply with the input MIDI velocity value to produce
a delay time.  In addition, my patch would, at random, record a phrase
and play it back. I could have easily set it up to loop the recorded
phrase indefinitely.  I used my GR700 MIDI guitar setup for input.

I really enjoyed the flexibility of Max combined with the portability of
my Powerbook.  About the only drawback was that the resultant sounds 
lacked the complexity of "real" strings.  

I had to stop when my GR700 broke down, but if I had been able to continue
I would have liked to explore a different direction than looping devices
such as the Echoplex, JamDude, etc. Opcode Max and MIDI, as wonderful as
they are, cannot really compete in the same arena since they don't deal
with real acoustic sound sources; to try to imitate something like an
Echoplex seems pointless.  Instead, I would have liked to try things that
can't be done with an acoustically-based looper, like the things described
in the book _Interactive Music_.


Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:18:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Michael <dmic27@ccnet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
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On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Ray Peck wrote:

> >Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my count looks
> >like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your hand!)
> 
> I'm interested, and can burn CDs, if it's a small, home-made list-only
> type thing.

I'd also be interested in a small release list only type thing.
Count me in for that.  The $250 CD proposal is a great idea, but I just
don't have the money for it.
        Doug Michael
  http://www.ccnet.com/~dmic27

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:40:00 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrom
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Olivier Malhomme
>Now that I think of it, after Andre's post, wouldn't it be nice/usefull
>and so on that we make a little list of all the devices usable to loop. We
>can imagine that not everyone of us are aware of all the good boxes
>existing, and that way, we won't miss a good thing on tha second hand
>market. Does it sound of any interest to you all?

Perfect! Go ahead!

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:40:13 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
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>>What is the problem in making 1000 CDs? Lack of investing members?
>>

Ray:
>I'm not in if this is done as a semi-commercial vanture like this.  I
>thought it was just going to be a friendly list disk.

I feel unfriendly now :-)

Maybe you are right. A way would be to do the friendly CD and distribute it
on CDR as you suggested and then later (when the money comes :-) I can do
the LOOP POOL project and maybe include stuff from the friendly CD.

friendly
Matthias

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:41:13 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: lobbying for upgrades.
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>Jon Durant wrote:
>> I don't know what Eventide are dooing loop-wise. I do know tey've got a
>> rediculously priced "guitar" version of the DSP4000, but apparently it
>>doesn't
>> sound so great (from the mouth of DT), and it looks really lame.

Jonatan answered
>Also, a friend at Eventide tell me that they're working on the
>DSP/GTR4500.
>This would have four independent inputs and outputs, stereo looping
>ability
>of up to six (or was it eight) minutes using standard 72 pin simms, and
>too
>many other features to recall.

The one Eventide I repaired here (about three years old) was full of chips.
Like my own old prototypes. You can achieve a lot with this technology, but
never a decent price or a small box.
As long as the equipment is for high end application, this might be the
right way to go. But a cheap thing takes experience of the Alesis kind
really. You may kick them for some honourable reason, but they know how to
build. Like the Japanese. And musicians seem to become more and more
demanding in terms of low prices. When I started playing a LesPaul was like
$2500. And there was a lot of inflation since.

Matthias

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