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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 42

Today's Topics:
  Re: (final?) JamMan stereo?           [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]
  Re: (final?) JamMan stereo?           [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  stereo, mini/hard disk looping (was   [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  vortex on the LD website              [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  RE: vortex on the LD website          [ Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuSer ]
  general Vortex info                   [ ccohen@voicenet.com (Charles Cohen) ]
  JamMan misleading                     [ "Jason N. Joseph" <73311.213@compus ]
  Re: JamMan misleading                 [ Tom Attix <attix@apple.com> ]
  Paradis Loop Delay vs. Echoplex       [ Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuSer ]
  Re: JamMan misleading                 [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ]
  Vortex Applications Notes [Redux]     [ "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMas ]
  Re: dj loopers                        [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Re: Vortex Applications Notes [Redux  [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Stereo!? Help, Please!                [ JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com ]
  tropical ambience                     [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: dj loopers                        [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  RE: tropical ambience                 [ Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuSer ]
  Re: looping /GIG!                     [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]

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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:07:40 -0500
From: Dpcoffin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: (final?) JamMan stereo?
Message-ID: <961229150740_576757924@emout17.mail.aol.com>

Hello, Loopers
A question: I'm LONGING to get into extended stereo looping, and currently
saving up fer a pair of Echoplexes with a foot pedal (is there any cheaper
path?) and possibly a litle rack-mound 6-channel mixer for my three guitar
outputs/signal chains (I've got a custom guitar, sort of a Godin synth-access
knock-off, to describe it briefly--it's really MUCH cooler than THAT!)...
Anyway, I keep thinking "Wait a minute, here. For about the same money I
could get one of these new digital multi-tracks (either hard disk or
Mini-disc), with their repeat and  instant-locate features, and trade off all
the delay-based virtues or the loopers against the editing control of a
multi-track. I could probably even trick up some MIDI functions with a pedal
and get some automation going on." 
So, folks...Am I way off here? ARE the delay things (variable feedback,etc)
and performance controls SO cool that I'm off-base? I play entirely at home,
but in a virtually all improvisational, real-time mode, and so far haven't
done much editing of tapes beyond fade-ins and outs...
Many thanks for your thoughts, on this and all the other matters that seem to
concern the list members.
Gratefully,
David

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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 13:20:37 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: (final?) JamMan stereo?
Message-Id: <v02140b01aeec907e5daf@[207.171.196.211]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 8:04 AM 12/29/96, Jon Durant wrote:
>"Let's all recognize that none of these devices are perfect. Let's all
>recoginize that we all have significant investments in these devices, both
>emotional and financial. Let's all recognize that this list can be a valuable
>source for putting our own indeas/wishes on (paper), in the hopes that someone
>with the resources and and manufacturing abilities might care to pick up on
>them. But mostly, let's all REJOICE in what we do have. Four years ago we
>didn't
>have any of this, the JamMan/Echoplex/Whatever, and now we do. Our lives are
>significantly enhanced from these (imperfect) devices, so let us give
>thanks for
>a minute rather than complain about what they can't do. And let us all revel in
>many hours of contented looping in 1997."

Splendidly said....


>Glass (pint, Boddingtons) raised and offered,
>Jon Durant

Cheers!

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:05:57 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: stereo, mini/hard disk looping (was that other thing)
Message-Id: <v02140b02aeec928fda2d@[207.171.196.51]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 3:07 PM 12/29/96, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote:
>Hello, Loopers
>A question: I'm LONGING to get into extended stereo looping, and currently
...
>Anyway, I keep thinking "Wait a minute, here. For about the same money I
>could get one of these new digital multi-tracks (either hard disk or
>Mini-disc), with their repeat and  instant-locate features, and trade off all
>the delay-based virtues or the loopers against the editing control of a
>multi-track. I could probably even trick up some MIDI functions with a pedal
>and get some automation going on."

I would guess that's not as easy to do as you might hope. Check into it
though, I'd like to know if it's possible.

>So, folks...Am I way off here? ARE the delay things (variable feedback,etc)
>and performance controls SO cool that I'm off-base? I play entirely at home,
>but in a virtually all improvisational, real-time mode, and so far haven't
>done much editing of tapes beyond fade-ins and outs...

I think what you are saying here about your playing will give you the
answer. You play in an improvisational, real-time manner, you're going to
want something that works well in that context. I don't know enough about
the latest hard/mini disk recorders to tell you that they won't work for
you, but I seriously doubt that they were designed to handle real-time
looping very well. They would probably work great for more constructed,
studio type loops, but it sounds like that wouldn't be so satisfying to
you.

I encourage you to try both ways, and let us know the result. I think that
the immediacy of the real-time controls in a jamman/echoplex looper will
have you hooked pretty quick though!

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:06:00 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: vortex on the LD website
Message-Id: <v02140b03aeec972defd5@[207.171.196.51]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi folks-

I've noticed that the collection of Vortex posts in the archive section of
the web site gets a fairly large number of hits. (36 over the past three
weeks, and rising) I think we must be one of the only places on the net
with a significant amount of info on the subject, and all the search
engines are pointing people there.

So in the interest of making these vortex-seekers even better informed,
could one of you Vortex fans collect all the recent postings about it so
that we can update this file?

The world will be grateful. So will I, since little contributions like that
have made the Looper's Delight site a billion times better than I could
have ever done by myself. And in keeping with this community service
reminder, if you have anything you think would be interesting to add to the
web site, please go ahead and send it in! If we each do a little bit, the
whole will be a lot better!

thanks,

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: 29 Dec 96 18:40:35 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>
To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: vortex on the LD website
Message-ID: <961229234035_100041.247_JHB68-3@CompuServe.COM>

> So in the interest of making these vortex-seekers even better informed,
> could one of you Vortex fans collect all the recent postings about it so
> that we can update this file?

As usual, I volunteer to do the htmlizing and webpage-finishing of the Vortex
post collection, so if anyone volunteers to do the collecting as Kim suggests,
please put the messages together into a simple Ascii file and mail them to me
(private email). Thanks!!

Michael Peters   
private:        100041.247@compuserve.com
work:   mp@harold-scholz.de
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:46:36 -0500
From: ccohen@voicenet.com (Charles Cohen)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: general Vortex info 
Message-Id: <v0153050caeeda8aef182@[207.103.15.199]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

helpful discussions can be found at:

http://www.hyperreal.com/music/machines/manufacturers/Lexicon/info/lexicon.V
ortex

plus a different one:

http://www.hyperreal.com/music/machines/manufacturers/Lexicon/info/lexicon.v
ortex


   ****      ****      What's Charles up to?      ****      ****
                  http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:47:57 -0500
From: "Jason N. Joseph" <73311.213@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: JamMan misleading
Message-ID: <199612301253_MC1-DE3-D54C@compuserve.com>

Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com
>We have a major disagreement here. Having "stereo" inputs/outputs in the
(relatively) inexpensive effects world has (almost) *never* indicated a
"stereo"
device.<

Um, WRONG here, Mr. Durant. While up until about 3-5 years ago quite a lot
of effects boxes crossed to mono SOMEWHERE in the effects chain, ALL of
them, if they had stereo outs, DID have different signals in each output.
The 
JamMan, however... Stereo outs with identical output in each (oh, except
for
the virtually useless input signal being passed through). This *IS*
misleading,
no doubt about it.

**Please don't insult my or any other consumer's intelligence by claiming
that
a) this is not misleading, and b) having "stereo" outs on the jamman when 
looped output is in mono is in any way useful.**

I apologize for being strong in my statements here but there is no defense
for
this intentional misleading or eggregious oversight. Just buck up, call a
spade
a spade, learn a lesson from this mistake and from the NON-misleading
practices of EVERY other effects manufacturer out there.

I fully accept responsibility for not "digging deep enough" in researching
the
JamMan to figure out that in fact it was NOT a stereo unit. However my
entire
point is that this should not be the struggling musician's job. If someone
at
Lexicon had bothered to be thorough in their a) advertising, b) unit
labeling,
and c) manual, then none of this crap would have occurred.

Case in point: both Guitar Center and Musician's Friend, being major 
mailorder retailers of Lexicon products, *both* indicated, both in their
printed advertising *and* in numerous conversations with supposedly
knowledgeable sales people over the phone, that one of the major 
selling points of the JamMan was that it would loop in stereo. Now, if
Lexicon
WASN'T being misleading, why the hell did its retailers disseminate such
supposedly obvious misinformation? And yet it's my fault for not figuring
out that it was a mono unit before I bought it?

Sorry to rant. Any flames in private please.

jj

jj

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 10:41:12 -0000
From: Tom Attix <attix@apple.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: JamMan misleading
Message-Id: <199612301844.KAA09248@scv1.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

>**Please don't insult my or any other consumer's intelligence by claiming
>that
>a) this is not misleading, and b) having "stereo" outs on the jamman when 
>looped output is in mono is in any way useful.**

Speaking only for myself, I *DO* find the stereo outs useful, as i have 2 
(other) stereo effects units in my effects chain. While I'm willing to 
admit that I'd love a true stereo JamMan, a really hate overly broad and 
incorrect generalizations.  

-Tom Attix
___________________________________________________________________________


attix@apple.com
___________________________________________________________________________


"If you play something different from the other robots, the
other robots get mad. Robot shit."

-Miles Davis

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Date: 30 Dec 96 15:12:25 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>
To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Paradis Loop Delay vs. Echoplex
Message-ID: <961230201224_100041.247_JHB45-1@CompuServe.COM>

hi Matthias,

A friend of mine has managed to dig up a couple of Echoplexes - they're very
hard to find here in Germany (the supply has stopped because they don't have one
of these "CE" stamps on them which are required in the European union).

I can't afford to buy one at the moment but I have one here to test for a couple
of days. I played with it for an hour or two and at first glance, there are few
Echoplex features which weren't in the old Paradis Loop Delay - the great
reverse effect, of course, and the multiple loops are new. Probably also a
number of MIDI and sync improvements which I don't need as long as I use it for
real-time improvisation loops.

What do you think are the most important differences between the two boxes?

I own two Paradis Loop Delays now and I'm quite happy with them. Should I bother
trying to sell them (which won't be easy, and I won't get a lot of money for
them because nobody knows them) and buy an Echoplex instead? I'm not sure if
reverse and multiple loops are reason enough.

Also, I noticed that sometimes the reverse effect introduced clicks, but I'm not
sure when. I seem to remember that this was mentioned on the list earlier but I
don't remember what the answer was.

Michael Peters   
private:        100041.247@compuserve.com
work:   mp@harold-scholz.de
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters

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Date: 30 Dec 96 16:09:22 EST
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: JamMan misleading
Message-ID: <961230210922_74074.1316_GHQ105-1@CompuServe.COM>

JJ rants:

>Um, WRONG here, Mr. Durant. While up until about 3-5 years ago quite a lot
>of effects boxes crossed to mono SOMEWHERE in the effects chain, ALL of
>them, if they had stereo outs, DID have different signals in each output.
>The 
>JamMan, however... Stereo outs with identical output in each (oh, except
>for
>the virtually useless input signal being passed through). This *IS*
>misleading,
>no doubt about it. 

Having different signals in each output is not stereo. If you were to make a
loop of a stereo source in any of these devices, the original stereo input would
be summed to mono, thus destroying the original stereo image. In the reverb
programs of these devices, the reverbs did not maintain stereo image. Now,
Digitech did come out with their TSR series (true stereo reverb) named
specifically to point out that they are actually stero. Unless you want multiple
effects, at which point memory gets shared, and processing power is limited, and
you're back to pseudo stereo land. 

As for the "virtually useless input signal being passed through", I'll refer you
to several people who have chimed in with their gratitude for this feature.

>Case in point: both Guitar Center and Musician's Friend, being major 
>mailorder retailers of Lexicon products, *both* indicated, both in their
>printed advertising *and* in numerous conversations with supposedly
>knowledgeable sales people over the phone, that one of the major 
>selling points of the JamMan was that it would loop in stereo. Now, if
>Lexicon
>WASN'T being misleading, why the hell did its retailers disseminate such
>supposedly obvious misinformation? And yet it's my fault for not figuring
>out that it was a mono unit before I bought it?

I'll refer you to several posts from the past year to give you my thoughts about
the retailers. However: Lexicon neither writes nor has an opportunity to edit
copy in Musician's Friend. (or any other mail order house) It is a constant
source of frustration, but no one (either their local rep or Lex's sales
managers) seems to be able to cure the problem. They do what they want (which is
often wrong). As for GC, they have historically had the most turnover in sales
staff, which leads to poor training, and bad information. Every manufacturer
tears their hair out over this problem: they're the number one dealer in the
country, and nobody gets decent information put across. Not Lexicon, not
Oberheim, not Digitech, not Paul Reed Smith, not Korg,not anyone. So as a
manufacturer, what can you do? Drop them and watch your sales drop by 30%? Try
explaining that to the shareholders.

You're quite correct: it's not your fault that you were given incorrect
information from these retailers. And I'm personally very sorry if you feel that
you were mislead. However: if you can find a piece of advertising material from
Lexicon (not from a retailer) that indactes that it is a stereo looper, (or any
other kind of stereo anything) than I'll accept that Lexicon is guilty of
putting forth misleading information.  What was always said was that it was a 32
second (w/optional memory upgarde, 8 sec standard) looper/echo/sampler. Which is
what it is. Mono or stereo was never discussed. No review ever errantly claimed
it was stereo. (Or whined that it wasn't.) So at worst they're guity by
omission. Just like every other manufacturer in the MI world. BTW, when anyone
called MY office and asked the mono/stereo question, they were told in no
uncertain terms that it loops in mono, but passes through stereo. Can't vouch
for anything post February 96 since I've been gone since, but I never heard
anyone call it stereo while I was there.

Jon Durant

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 16:07:49 CST
From: "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMaster.Com>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex Applications Notes [Redux]
Message-Id: <9611308519.AA851990962@ccmailgate.LaserMaster.Com>

Hi all:

Sorry I've been so tardy and awful about getting the Vortex App notes up.  I
promise to soon, however, I've been swayed by a most wonderful applications
program called Deck II by Macromedia (multi-channel hard disk recording for
the PowerMac) and it's EXCELLENT.  

In other words, multi-track, CD quality, digital hard disk recording with
NO ADDITIONAL HARDWARE.

My looping overfloweth.  In fact, Deck II is so amazing that it actually means I
can do real, stereo, multi-tracking instead of my usual 4-track "some tracks are
mono, some are stereo" demos.

I can even take a phrase I like and loop it indefinetely.  It's superb.

I'm also aware of Cubase VST, but it has a hungrier appetite for RAM
memory than my home machine is able to provide at present.

If you want info on this, let me know - I've found rather cool web-sites
discussing it.  Any Mac owners MUST pick-up the January issue of MacAddict
as the included CD-ROM includes a fully functional (except you can't save
your work) version of Deck II and SoundEdit 16 (among other expensive cool 
sound type apps).

Now, I will be entering the much desired notes on the net here soon - I just
need to take the time and DO it.

Please be patient.

Vortices to you all.

Todd Madson.

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:04:52 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: dj loopers
Message-Id: <v01510100aeee2c0bae82@[128.193.5.35]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thanks for the info, re: DJ-oriented samplers/loopers, I''' try to check
some out next time I'm in a city

Kim Flint wrote:
>
>The MC-303 definitly has me intrigued. I think it was reviewed in keyboard
>recently, and it looked very cool. It looked like a great way to integrate
>a lot of techno/dance sounds and approaches into my music without spending
>a fortune on samplers and funky old analog synths.
>
It's an interesting box, definitely try to spend some time with one before
commiting to it, it's got a very quirky interface, I love it, but some
people get frustrated very quickly with it. It won't replace the funky old
analog synths, at least not to my ears, but it does complement analog
synths well, and it's the only sample playback synth I've ever gotten
excited about. The filters sound great, some of the best digital filters
I've ever heard. While there are tons of techno/dance/jungle/whatever
preprogrammed patterns in the box, some of them almost frighteningly hip,
it lends itself to other kinds of music as well, especially Germanic
synth/space/prog ala kraftwerk/T-dream/Pete Namlook. (that last sentence
has to win some kind of award for the most /'s without quoting a web
address). However, if you plan to integrate it into a computer midi system,
it's got some wierd quirks that make it less desirable. My normal use is to
develop interesting sounds/loops/beats on it and record the audio to hard
disk instead of controlling it via midi.

>
>>>And since the dj subject has tentatively resurfaced, does anyone know any
>>>dj types that would be interested in joining the list? There is a whole
>>>world of looping in that genre, with an assortment of well developed
>>>techniques not found in the soundscape/guitar-loop variety that tends to
>>>get focused on here. I think some articulate dj types could give us a real
>>>interesting (and probably needed) perspective.
>>>
>>The liner-notes to DJ Spooky's records have some pretty interesting
>>thoughts on the african influence on the sampling/looping/manipulating
>>esthetic. Would it be a breach of copyright for me to quote some here?
>
>I think its ok to quote it, although probably iffy to reproduce the whole
>thing. I'd love to see it. He doesn't happen to list an email address or
>anything, does he? Maybe we could just ask him. Even better, maybe we could
>get him to join the list....
>
no e-mail on his records. His label (Asphodel) is at
http://www.wilder.net/stc/asphodel/index.html

I'm especially thinking of some material from the 40-some page book that
accompanies his "Death in the Light of the Phonograph" disc. I'll type up
the quotes when I get some time, next week probably.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
                                     -Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:05:04 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex Applications Notes [Redux]
Message-Id: <v01510102aeee3174f3e8@[128.193.5.35]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Hi all:
>
>Sorry I've been so tardy and awful about getting the Vortex App notes up.  I
>promise to soon, however, I've been swayed by a most wonderful applications
>program called Deck II by Macromedia (multi-channel hard disk recording for
>the PowerMac) and it's EXCELLENT.
>
>In other words, multi-track, CD quality, digital hard disk recording with
>NO ADDITIONAL HARDWARE.
>
>My looping overfloweth.  In fact, Deck II is so amazing that it actually
>means I
>can do real, stereo, multi-tracking instead of my usual 4-track "some
>tracks are
>mono, some are stereo" demos.
>
>I can even take a phrase I like and loop it indefinetely.  It's superb.
>
I remember that first flush of joy at using Deck well, suddenly it seems
that you have incredible power. Deck is a great piece of software, not
without quirks and even a few bugs, but very powerful. I edited and
mastered our first CD on it 18 momths ago, and now we're working on the
2nd.

>If you want info on this, let me know - I've found rather cool web-sites
>discussing it.  Any Mac owners MUST pick-up the January issue of MacAddict
>as the included CD-ROM includes a fully functional (except you can't save
>your work) version of Deck II and SoundEdit 16 (among other expensive cool
>sound type apps).
>
Do you know about the deck-users list? It's very handy.

>Now, I will be entering the much desired notes on the net here soon - I just
>need to take the time and DO it.
>
Great, I expect my Vortex to arrive any day now...


________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
                                     -Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:44:58 -0500 (EST)
From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Stereo!?  Help, Please!
Message-id: <01IDMWRXIO8Y8Y7WWO@delphi.com>
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

The recent, enlightening discussion of stereo has rekindled my desire
for something better than my basic beerjoint-mono sound system.  So
I'm in a pawnshop today, and what to my wondering eyes should appear
but an Akai MB76 MIDI-controlled, 7in-6out mixing bay-- at an amazingly
low price.  About 30 seconds of skull sweat later, I realized it would
be perfect for my purposes.

Problem:  There's no manual, the user interface is minimal, and I'm
hesitant to gamble without knowing enough about it to verify that
it works. 

Does anyone have any direct knowledge of this unit?  Alternatively,
can you point me to a Web site, Usenet group, or mailing list where
I might find out more?    

TIA,

John                               mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com
Troubador Tech on the Web-- http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock
           

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 03:14:10 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: tropical ambience
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Michael was listening to:
>Michel Redolfi's "Sonic Waters"
>underwater music which makes a nice tropical ambience ...

Sounds very interesting (I guess I say that a lot...)
Matthias

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:10:11 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: dj loopers
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At 7:04 PM 12/30/96, Dave Trenkel wrote:
>>
>>>>And since the dj subject has tentatively resurfaced, does anyone know any
>>>>dj types that would be interested in joining the list? There is a whole
>>>>world of looping in that genre, with an assortment of well developed
>>>>techniques not found in the soundscape/guitar-loop variety that tends to
>>>>get focused on here. I think some articulate dj types could give us a real
>>>>interesting (and probably needed) perspective.
>>>>
>>>The liner-notes to DJ Spooky's records have some pretty interesting
>>>thoughts on the african influence on the sampling/looping/manipulating
>>>esthetic. Would it be a breach of copyright for me to quote some here?
>>
>>I think its ok to quote it, although probably iffy to reproduce the whole
>>thing. I'd love to see it. He doesn't happen to list an email address or
>>anything, does he? Maybe we could just ask him. Even better, maybe we could
>>get him to join the list....
>>
>no e-mail on his records. His label (Asphodel) is at
>http://www.wilder.net/stc/asphodel/index.html
>
>I'm especially thinking of some material from the 40-some page book that
>accompanies his "Death in the Light of the Phonograph" disc. I'll type up
>the quotes when I get some time, next week probably.

Also on that site is a text by Paul Miller (DJ Spooky). I can't tell you
anything about it yet, because I'm just starting to read it, but you can
see it yourself at:

http://www.wilder.net/stc/asphodel/milledi.html


kim

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Date: 31 Dec 96 07:19:14 EST
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>
To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: tropical ambience
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>   Michael was listening to:
>> Michel Redolfi's "Sonic Waters" underwater music which makes a nice tropical
ambience ...
> Sounds very interesting (I guess I say that a lot...)

hi Matthias, 

now *you're* about the last person of us who needs tropical ambience from a CD
!! <g>

Michel Redolfi makes music in electronic studios using high-end synclaviers and
such stuff. His music is very abstract and beautiful. He also uses loops
sometimes! If I should name a favorite composer, Redolfi might be the one for
me. If anyone's interested, check out

http://www.imaginet.fr/manca/cirm/english/bio/mr_bio/index.html

Michael Peters   
private:        100041.247@compuserve.com
work:   mp@harold-scholz.de
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 04:16:06 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping /GIG!
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>Torn is on his way to Japan to work with Ryuichi Sakamoto... he will
>improvise (and loop) alongside djSpooky (scratching and looping what-not) and
>Ryuichi (piano) ...
>there's also (i understand) a plan to send RS's piano performance out live
>over the internet as midi information for people to mess with...
>sounds fabulous, na?

Thanks, Robby

I hope they also send DTs Plex MIDI data so we can sync up and learn!  :-)

Matthias

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