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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 96 : Issue 5

Today's Topics:
  Re[2]: How about a Loopers-Delight C  [ "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMas ]
  Re: Vortex                            [ "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMas ]
  Re[2]: How about a Loopers-Delight C  [ Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley. ]
  Re: Vortex                            [ Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley. ]
  Re: Vortex                            [ Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley. ]
  Re: lobbying for upgrades.            [ Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley. ]
  BRACE YOURSELVES!!!                   [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CAL ]
  Re: BRACE YOURSELVES!!!               [ Tom Attix* <attix@apple.com> ]
  re:Hello and intro                    [ "Bret Moreland" <Bret_Moreland@maxt ]
  Re: BRACE YOURSELVES!!!               [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  Re: Analog Loops                      [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  RE: Re: BRACE YOURSELVES!!!           [ KILLINFO@aol.com ]
  Concert Review                        [ KILLINFO@aol.com ]

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 14:48:05 CST
From: "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMaster.Com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ToddM@lasermaster.com
Subject: Re[2]: How about a Loopers-Delight CD?
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On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Ray Peck wrote:

> >Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my count looks
> >like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your hand!)
> 
> I'm interested, and can burn CDs, if it's a small, home-made list-only
> type thing.

> I'd also be interested in a small release list only type thing.
> Count me in for that.  The $250 CD proposal is a great idea, but I just
> don't have the money for it.
>         Doug Michael
>   http://www.ccnet.com/~dmic27

Yeah, that's where I sit too.  I'm a married guy and can do things on a
smaller scale - that's where we should start.  If that generates interest
then maybe we can go forth from there with a bigger project.

Todd Madson.



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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 15:22:36 CST
From: "Todd Madson" <Todd.Madson@LaserMaster.Com>
To: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith), ToddM@lasermaster.com,
        loopers-delight@annihilist.com, Todd.Madson@spica.LaserMaster.Com
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To:
Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com--------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
Here ya go, kids.  

I'm sending this one again since I've been inundated with requests
by newbies on the list.  This time I've re-edited for better formatting
over the net and also added the forgotton Res1 parameters and added some
commentary for ideas.

Useability: Works for me.
Caveat:      If they don't work, don't say I never gave you anything.
Warning:     Massive Processes.

The first two patches concern Atmosphere 2.  The third uses Choir 2
The "synthy echo guitar" patch also works great on synth pads - it'l
take your old synth and make it sound modern in no time.  Both the
two atmosphere patches work great on clean guitars.  The chorus patch
is great if you add a two-beat echo for volume swells - it sounds like
the massive volume-pedal swelled guitar on Holdsworth's "Road Games",
but with more of a Leslie-esque flavor that I love.


       ATMOSPHERE2          ATMOSPHERE2        CHOIR2
       Wirey Clean Guitar   Synthy Echo Guitar Burbly Volume Swell
Mix         43              64                  49
Output      64              64                  64
Mod FX Lvl  50              64                  45
EchoFX Lvl  55              64                  45
Morph       64              64                  20
Envelope    22              10                  35
Echo        08              08                  02
Echo2       08              06                  06
Feedback    40              64                  34
Feedback2   47              40                  29
Rate1       04              30                  28
Depth1      41              29                  26
Rate2       03              08                  34
Depth2      23              50                  29
Res1        28              28                  01
Res2        28              64                  14

Okay kids, this is it for now.  If the formatting went to hell, I'll 
have to find some other way of doing it, but this works for me, try 
it out.

"The Vortex Guy"

Todd Madson
PressMate Product Specialist
LaserMaster Big Color Technical Support
Corporate Web Site: http://www.lasermaster.com/
LaserMaster BBS: (612) TEK-LINE
OTIS Faxback Service: (612) 943-3737




_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Vortex
From:    patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) at Internet
Date:    10/31/96  2:55 PM

Hi Todd,

There was a post last week about a sight where you had listed some Vortex
patches you made. I'd like to see them, but joined this list after your
post.
COuld you send them to me or is it at an URL site?

Peace,

Patrick



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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:12:35 -0800
From: Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley.ate.slb.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ToddM@lasermaster.com
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On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Ray Peck wrote:

> >Adding the people who specifically reacted to the CD proposal, my count looks
> >like this (quite possible that I missed someone - please raise your hand!)
> 
> I'm interested, and can burn CDs, if it's a small, home-made list-only
> type thing.

> I'd also be interested in a small release list only type thing.
> Count me in for that.  The $250 CD proposal is a great idea, but I just
> don't have the money for it.
>         Doug Michael
>   http://www.ccnet.com/~dmic27

Yeah, that's where I sit too.  I'm a married guy and can do things on a
smaller scale - that's where we should start.  If that generates interest
then maybe we can go forth from there with a bigger project.

Todd Madson.



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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:13:03 -0800
From: Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley.ate.slb.com>
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        loopers-delight@annihilist.com, Todd.Madson@spica.LaserMaster.Com
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>Message was resent -- Original recipients were:
To:
Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com--------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
Here ya go, kids.  

I'm sending this one again since I've been inundated with requests
by newbies on the list.  This time I've re-edited for better formatting
over the net and also added the forgotton Res1 parameters and added some
commentary for ideas.

Useability: Works for me.
Caveat:      If they don't work, don't say I never gave you anything.
Warning:     Massive Processes.

The first two patches concern Atmosphere 2.  The third uses Choir 2
The "synthy echo guitar" patch also works great on synth pads - it'l
take your old synth and make it sound modern in no time.  Both the
two atmosphere patches work great on clean guitars.  The chorus patch
is great if you add a two-beat echo for volume swells - it sounds like
the massive volume-pedal swelled guitar on Holdsworth's "Road Games",
but with more of a Leslie-esque flavor that I love.


       ATMOSPHERE2          ATMOSPHERE2        CHOIR2
       Wirey Clean Guitar   Synthy Echo Guitar Burbly Volume Swell
Mix         43              64                  49
Output      64              64                  64
Mod FX Lvl  50              64                  45
EchoFX Lvl  55              64                  45
Morph       64              64                  20
Envelope    22              10                  35
Echo        08              08                  02
Echo2       08              06                  06
Feedback    40              64                  34
Feedback2   47              40                  29
Rate1       04              30                  28
Depth1      41              29                  26
Rate2       03              08                  34
Depth2      23              50                  29
Res1        28              28                  01
Res2        28              64                  14

Okay kids, this is it for now.  If the formatting went to hell, I'll 
have to find some other way of doing it, but this works for me, try 
it out.

"The Vortex Guy"

Todd Madson
PressMate Product Specialist
LaserMaster Big Color Technical Support
Corporate Web Site: http://www.lasermaster.com/
LaserMaster BBS: (612) TEK-LINE
OTIS Faxback Service: (612) 943-3737




_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Vortex
From:    patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) at Internet
Date:    10/31/96  2:55 PM

Hi Todd,

There was a post last week about a sight where you had listed some Vortex
patches you made. I'd like to see them, but joined this list after your
post.
COuld you send them to me or is it at an URL site?

Peace,

Patrick



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To:
Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com--------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
Here ya go, kids.  

I'm sending this one again since I've been inundated with requests
by newbies on the list.  This time I've re-edited for better formatting
over the net and also added the forgotton Res1 parameters and added some
commentary for ideas.

Useability: Works for me.
Caveat:      If they don't work, don't say I never gave you anything.
Warning:     Massive Processes.

The first two patches concern Atmosphere 2.  The third uses Choir 2
The "synthy echo guitar" patch also works great on synth pads - it'l
take your old synth and make it sound modern in no time.  Both the
two atmosphere patches work great on clean guitars.  The chorus patch
is great if you add a two-beat echo for volume swells - it sounds like
the massive volume-pedal swelled guitar on Holdsworth's "Road Games",
but with more of a Leslie-esque flavor that I love.


       ATMOSPHERE2          ATMOSPHERE2        CHOIR2
       Wirey Clean Guitar   Synthy Echo Guitar Burbly Volume Swell
Mix         43              64                  49
Output      64              64                  64
Mod FX Lvl  50              64                  45
EchoFX Lvl  55              64                  45
Morph       64              64                  20
Envelope    22              10                  35
Echo        08              08                  02
Echo2       08              06                  06
Feedback    40              64                  34
Feedback2   47              40                  29
Rate1       04              30                  28
Depth1      41              29                  26
Rate2       03              08                  34
Depth2      23              50                  29
Res1        28              28                  01
Res2        28              64                  14

Okay kids, this is it for now.  If the formatting went to hell, I'll 
have to find some other way of doing it, but this works for me, try 
it out.

"The Vortex Guy"

Todd Madson
PressMate Product Specialist
LaserMaster Big Color Technical Support
Corporate Web Site: http://www.lasermaster.com/
LaserMaster BBS: (612) TEK-LINE
OTIS Faxback Service: (612) 943-3737




_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Vortex
From:    patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) at Internet
Date:    10/31/96  2:55 PM

Hi Todd,

There was a post last week about a sight where you had listed some Vortex
patches you made. I'd like to see them, but joined this list after your
post.
COuld you send them to me or is it at an URL site?

Peace,

Patrick



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Subject: Vortex

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:12:24 -0800
From: Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley.ate.slb.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: lobbying for upgrades.
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>Jon Durant wrote:
>> I don't know what Eventide are dooing loop-wise. I do know tey've got a
>> rediculously priced "guitar" version of the DSP4000, but apparently it
>>doesn't
>> sound so great (from the mouth of DT), and it looks really lame.

Jonatan answered
>Also, a friend at Eventide tell me that they're working on the
>DSP/GTR4500.
>This would have four independent inputs and outputs, stereo looping
>ability
>of up to six (or was it eight) minutes using standard 72 pin simms, and
>too
>many other features to recall.

The one Eventide I repaired here (about three years old) was full of chips.
Like my own old prototypes. You can achieve a lot with this technology, but
never a decent price or a small box.
As long as the equipment is for high end application, this might be the
right way to go. But a cheap thing takes experience of the Alesis kind
really. You may kick them for some honourable reason, but they know how to
build. Like the Japanese. And musicians seem to become more and more
demanding in terms of low prices. When I started playing a LesPaul was like
$2500. And there was a lot of inflation since.

Matthias

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:56:55 -0800 (PST)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: BRACE YOURSELVES!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961031144901.1430D-100000@shoko.CALARTS.EDU>
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Peeples --

I've been thinking about this since I started compiling submissions for 
the profile list, and now I want to see what y'all think about it.

The idea is this: To try and stage some sort of live gathering of loop
artists.  Once again, I'm taking a cue from the Stick community, who
organized a "Stick Night" at the Iguana here in LA a couple of years ago. 
Seeing as there are so many loopists based in California, it seems to me
that it would be feasible to try and arrange some sort of multi-artist
gathering/performance thing.  The results could even be recorded and
distributed for posterity. 

So what do you people think?  Is there sufficient interest and ability
among those of us on the West Coast to try to arrange a regional meeting
and performance?  Who would be into it?  Where would be the best location,
both in terms of travel logistics and in terms of finding an appropriate
venue?  For that matter, what sort of venue should we consider? 

(And beyond that, is there a concentration of loopists in some other part 
of the country where a different regional performance could be staged?)

OK, your turn.  Tell me what you all think about this.  My feeling is, 
there are enough of us concentrated in a relatively local orientation 
that something like this really should be tried.

'Till next time,

--Andre (West Coast edition)

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 15:25:26 -0700
From: Tom Attix* <attix@apple.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELVES!!!
Message-Id: <199610312325.PAA50722@scv3.apple.com>
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Andre-
I'd be interested in that. I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area but I think 
venue is probably going to be the real issue. If somebody could come up 
with a really cool place to play, it would certainly be worth a trip and 
flights to LA are pretty cheap. Maybe halfway, looping in Big Sur 
(probably bad acoustics, but who cares)?

-Tom Attix
_______________________________________________

attix@apple.com
_______________________________________________

"Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing
through the leather straps". - Emo Phillips

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 16:00:06 MST
From: "Bret Moreland" <Bret_Moreland@maxtor.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: re:Hello and intro
Message-ID: <vines.PP59+qxGSmA@Longmont64.Maxtor.COM>
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Fellow loop minded people,

I just joined the mailing list this week.  I am so excited to find you 
folks that also have an interest in looping.  I am overwhelmed with the 
knowledge and backgrounds bundled here.  I'm not worthy :-)

I have been trying to resolve some problems with my echoplex with Mike 
Lyon at Oberheim (must I say a division of Gibson?), and he forwarded my 
Email to Kim Flint.  Kim told me about the list, and I joined immediately. 
 Thanks Kim!

I will fill out the form for personal info, but if you  don't mind I will 
tell you a little about my history and interests.

The first time I heard an echo device I was captivated.  It was in the 
60's, and was Chet Atkins playing with the Boston Pops on TV.  He used the 
original Echoplex while playing _Snowbird_, it was awesome to me.  As a 
pre teen I tried to modify my (toy) tape recorder to do loops and echo,  
with little success.  The sounds never left my head, though.

In the 70's I bought an analog delay line with about 1 second delay.  
Finally I could play what I heard, albeit only short loops.  I dreamed of 
having a few seconds to play with.  The analog delay could make some 
wonderful distortions as the regenerated signal dissolved and mutated.

When I heard about the Jamman, I ordered one.  A week or so later I found 
out about the Echoplex DP's features.  Before I received the Jamman, I 
realized I probably would prefer the Echoplex.  When I got the Jamman I 
knew I wanted the  Echoplex.  I took the Jamman on a business trip to 
Singapore, and decided to put more ram in it.  I know the city well, and 
shopped and shopped, but no Zip ram could be found.  I finally found some 
in Malaysia, but at some outrageous price like $350.  I traded in the 
Jamman for the echoplex upon returning to the states.

I play 6 string electric bass as my primary instrument.  I was a guitar 
player first, but prefer to do the bulk of my looping with electric bass 
both 4 and 6 string.  I have on occasion used small Moog analog synths 
(micro Moog, and prodigy) in loops.  I also do binaural Dat recordings of 
various sources, musical, mechanical, and environmental.  Traffic to 
Helicopters to people to frogs.  I enjoy sound and _noises_.  I'm not 
alone in this, among you, I suspect.

My first problem with the Echoplex was that static on the foot pedal would 
cause the loop contents to be deleted.  Kim has suggested some grounding 
approachs that I suspect will help this.

Lately, my problem has been the start point of the loops moving when I use 
next loop a lot.  After creating 2 loops, and enhancing them with multiply 
and overdub, I nextloop from one multiple in loop 1 to a single multiple 
in loop 2, and repeat.  Eventually the start point of these loops move, 
and I have to reset the start points manually.  

I have been waiting 1 week for a response from Mike Lyon about the 
hardware mods and new PLD's for my echoplex.  He said he would send them 
to me or do the work there, I said send them, but no response from him 
that he would or when. 

Kim, or anyone else, if you can help me know what the mods address, and if 
any of them will fix the loop start point shift problem I would be 
grateful.  My Echoplex was checked OK on 2 April 96 on the PCBA.

I have been reading the archives to catch up.  I too would like to 
participate in the loopers pool CD, if the ante is not too great.  I think 
I am the only 6 string bass looper here so far.

Forgive the long Email, I am just so thrilled to find you people.  

regards,
bret

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:15:11 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELVES!!!
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I'm interested how many members are local to the DC area or the East Coast
in general. A very good idea.

Patrick

>Peeples --
>
>I've been thinking about this since I started compiling submissions for
>the profile list, and now I want to see what y'all think about it.
>
>The idea is this: To try and stage some sort of live gathering of loop
>artists.  Once again, I'm taking a cue from the Stick community, who
>organized a "Stick Night" at the Iguana here in LA a couple of years ago.
>Seeing as there are so many loopists based in California, it seems to me
>that it would be feasible to try and arrange some sort of multi-artist
>gathering/performance thing.  The results could even be recorded and
>distributed for posterity.
>
>So what do you people think?  Is there sufficient interest and ability
>among those of us on the West Coast to try to arrange a regional meeting
>and performance?  Who would be into it?  Where would be the best location,
>both in terms of travel logistics and in terms of finding an appropriate
>venue?  For that matter, what sort of venue should we consider?
>
>(And beyond that, is there a concentration of loopists in some other part
>of the country where a different regional performance could be staged?)
>
>OK, your turn.  Tell me what you all think about this.  My feeling is,
>there are enough of us concentrated in a relatively local orientation
>that something like this really should be tried.
>
>'Till next time,
>
>--Andre (West Coast edition)

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:18:34 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Analog Loops
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>Patrik:
>>So as you can see we have a good analog base to our loops, but also digital
>>and FM synths. We've also used acoustic guitar and a vase filled with
>>marbles and water. Whatever the music requires is what drives us.
>

On 10/31/96 Matthias asked:
>So the music required marbles and water? How interesting.
>How do you mike the vase?
>Do you loop it on stage, too?
>
>Curious Matthias


Well the vase was sort of a goblet shape, had aproximately twenty marbles
in it and was 1/3 filled with water. I swished it around in my bathroom,
picke dit up with a stereo mic that was feeding a Jam Man. A complex very
cool sound, at least to Steev and I. We've not done this live, at least not
yet!

Patrick

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:58:12 -0500
From: KILLINFO@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Re: BRACE YOURSELVES!!!
Message-ID: <961031215811_134811901@emout10.mail.aol.com>

Reply to Andre:

Count me in fer sure dude.

Ted (the central coast edition)

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:46:39 -0500
From: KILLINFO@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Concert Review
Message-ID: <961031224637_134825669@emout15.mail.aol.com>

Hi y'all!

Last evening Joe Cavaleri and I made the trek down to 
the L.A. area to check out Andre LaFosse's mid-residency recital at Cal Arts.
And, to be sure, we left after an hour 
or so vvvvveeeerrrryyyy impressed. 

With a fairly modest rack setup, a red strat, and a Mesa 
Boogie he presented quite an enthralling stew of sounds. 
His thing seems to be a rather cinematic, textural, rockish, "artmusik" with
teeth (and the ocassional familiar "Tornish" and "Frippish" nod here and
there).

There was his fine playing of course, and a really "happening" guitar tone
(recent Torn/Fripp, with a smattering of Gilmour and Knoffler come to mind)
and some truly wicked sound designing and creative processing.

Those who have read Andre's many posts to this list know 
that he uses both the Oberheim EDP and the Lexicon Vortex 
for his loops and textures. And man... he uses both thouroughly and
creatively. (As a new Obie convert/owner I was definitely taking mental notes
on everything he did).

All of this was fed into a quadrophonic sound system that 
made everything sound way HUGE and all-enveloping.

While I am not sure if any of the material was the same as 
his recent(?) tape(?) submission to Guitar Player Magazine's Spotlight
Column, I am certain that we heard was indicative 
of why his demo of the month (in the December issue) was a standout.

Congratulations Andre, and thanks for a great concert.

Ted

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