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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 100

Today's Topics:
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ Doug Wyatt <doug@sonosphere.com> ]
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ]
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ]
  re:Re: ?really exciting new ebow eff  [ SoundFNR@aol.com ]
  Music Descriptions                    [ verner@infinitesound.com ]
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ james rhodes <sharkey@texas.net> ]
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]
  low loop content -- sound card query  [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]
  Jamman unlimited loop memory trick    [ ZeplinSoup@aol.com ]
  Re: low loop content -- sound card q  [ Jim Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com> ]
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ Kim Corbet <kcorbet@post.cis.smu.ed ]
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@prim ]
  more plex undo questions              [ dan mcmullen <dog@well.com> ]
  Re: Music Descriptions                [ "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@prim ]
  MIDI Patch Bay                        [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  "Music for Thanksgiving"              [ "Jeffrey Weinberger" <jweinberger@h ]
  Fripp Review                          [ John Michael Beard <jbstudio@flash. ]
  Help - I want your non-loop knowledg  [ "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.c ]
  Don Preston                           [ KRosser414@aol.com ]
  FS: Vortex $225                       [ "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Tra ]
  FS: Boomerang $399                    [ "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Tra ]
  Re: Blowing our own trumpets (was: M  [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:51:40 -0400
From: Doug Wyatt <doug@sonosphere.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-Id: <v03102800afdd03b57e6a@[206.114.168.18]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 2:11 -0400 6/30/1997, future perfect wrote:
> Hi!
> 	I'd like to know how fellow loopers/experimental musicians describe
> their music to people. For instance: I'm always faced with re-vamping my
> promotional materials and looking for new ways to describe what I do.
> 	I also get a lot of questions at performances like, 'Uh, what type of
> music is that??'
> 	Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating
> around out there?
> 	Another concern is how to describe my music in a few words over the
> phone to venue owners/bookers. Launching into a rant about ambient or
> experimental music is rather esoteric and I gag on the phrase, 'new
> age', but to the unenlightened <g> that is a simple (however sickening)
> description for the masses. Most people have a hard time relating to
> music (or anything!) that doesn't fit neatly into a popular genre.
> 	Shameless plug: check out the new sound clips at my web site and the
> availability of my new CD. Yeah!

Hi Dave,

Thought I'd delurk for this one ... a fairly similar discussion is
happening on another list I'm on, right down to the pros and cons of the
"new age" label.  Like it or not, a record store consists of only so many
Really Big Categories, and New Age is often the only choice.  But of
course, within each of those really big categories are many subcategories
... some mentioned were "contemporary instrumental" and
"ambient/space/electronic" or some such.  I found the latter a reasonable
bin to put at least some of what I do into.

Make up your own three or four words if necessary :)

Nice web page; I'd like to hear the music.  How's the tour been going?

Doug


---
Doug Wyatt                      music [,] software
doug@sonosphere.com             http://www.sonosphere.com/
new streaming audio samples:    http://www.sonosphere.com/doug/music.html

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 05:40:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-ID: <970630054056_880190544@emout03.mail.aol.com>

<< Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating
around out there?>>

"Mindscape Exploration" works for me :).  -  Paul 

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Date: 30 Jun 97 07:36:57 EDT
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-ID: <970630113656_74074.1316_GHP33-1@CompuServe.COM>

RE: Dave's big query about how to describe what we do:

This is the central issue facing Alchemy Records as we're now in a distribution
situation. Where do the retailers put our CDs? The loopage/ambient/whatever CDs
(Caryn Lin, Brian Gingrich, myself) generally go in the New Age bins, because
there aren't many other options. Some retailers *do* have Ambient sections, so
we'll go in there. But in discussing the music, (ie to journalists) I try not to
categorize our work, but to explain that it borrows elements from all manner of
musics and blends them all together into a whole new musical idiom. This is what
makes it interesting/exciting to the listener, and why radio and retail hate us
so! (Actually, rumour has it that "new age radio" is responding well to the
Alchemy releases. Not having a station near me that plays any ambient music at
all, I can't verify this. But the reports that I'm receiving are very positive.
Anyone heard anything on their local new age programs?)

Later,
Jon Durant

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:49:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: SoundFNR@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: re:Re: ?really exciting new ebow effect!
Message-ID: <970630074901_1210136938@emout07.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 20/06/97  3:03:418:23, you write:

<< The problem with this effect is it is short lived.  Unless
 you can change at lot of almost dead batteries quickly?
  >>
Or simulate a dying battery by putting a resistor in series.
ANDY (UK)

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:50:52 -0400
From: verner@infinitesound.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Music Descriptions
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970630095052.00691b88@infinitesound.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I record for Spotted Peccary Music. We use the term 'Ambient Atmospheric.'
This feels OK with me. 

Unfortunately, retailers put music into the New Age bin when they don't
know where else to put it!

J. Arif Verner
Infinite Sound Studio
http://www.infinitesound.com/


PS - Great to find another Nico fan on the board. She is incredible!

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 10:33:57 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-Id: <199706301535.IAA26248@scv3.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Tiktok bills itself as "ambient improvised instrumentals".  "Ambient" is 
soon going to as tainted a label as "New Age", so I don't know what new 
term people will come up with.

Tiktok
(Travis Hartnett and Jon Matis)

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:36:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: james rhodes <sharkey@texas.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-Id: <199706301636.LAA11038@mail1.texas.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hi folks,

i have always thought that Robert Fripp's  "Soundscapes" was a very
appropriate name for music of this type...


my 1st looping project was a collection of pieces,,i entitled " Music to
make you leave the room by",,,that way no one could complain if they stayed....

the term "New Age" makes me physically i'll... but i've never hit anyone for
using this term to describe some of the music i do,,,havent even purged my
dinner on their shoes...

james rhodes

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:59:45 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-Id: <199706301656.JAA21516@gw1.bi-tech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> From: future perfect <artmusic@gte.net>

> 	Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating
> around out there? 

"Ambient Guitar Noise" is my phrase of choice....

Matt

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:51:39 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: "Loop" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: low loop content -- sound card query
Message-Id: <199706301748.KAA22848@gw1.bi-tech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm looking for recommendations on Mac NUBUS sound cards or NUBUS to PCI
converters (if they exist).  It seems like all the cool sound cards are
PCI-based these days. :-(

Yes, I will be recording loops using the sound card!!!!!

-----------------------------
Matt McCabe
Sales/Marketing Support

SunGard BI-TECH
890 Fortress Street
Chico, CA  95973
916.899.4348
http://www.bi-tech.com

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:51:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Jamman unlimited loop memory trick
Message-ID: <970630135129_782768944@emout05.mail.aol.com>

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    re:jamman unlimited loop memory trick
Date:    97-06-08 10:19:30 EDT
From:    ZeplinSoup
To:      kflint@annihilist.com

i didnot see anything on the site about this so here it goes....
use a midi sequencer to send a patch change at a specific tempo at the
beginning and end of your midi measures as defined on the jamman...use
phrased loops...so you know now how many measures it lasts and the
tempo..record yer loops and when you start to run out of space regarding
jamman memory then you simply record a loop that you are happy with to the
computer and then record over that loop# in the jamman for your extended loop
time....repeat add nauseum ....i use cakewalk so it is very easy(if you know
the tempo) to move the loops around in any order..you can now record as many
loops as you like for a song and not be limited to midi loop size(you can
vary the loop size while keeping the tempo the same=mixing 4 midi beat loops
with 3 beat loops at the same tempo with seemless operation if you wish or
any other combination)and you will have unlimited buse of the jamman
memory!!!

lemme know whacha think,
Reeve

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:21:16 -0700
From: Jim Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: low loop content -- sound card query
Message-ID: <33B8234C.70992BC6@interaccess.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There should be plenty of Nu-bus Audiomedia II cards around, try
Sweetwater Sound, they
seem to be collecting Nu-bus Digidesign stuff. (new and used)

Jim

Matt McCabe wrote:

> I'm looking for recommendations on Mac NUBUS sound cards or NUBUS to
> PCI
> converters (if they exist).  It seems like all the cool sound cards
> are
> PCI-based these days. :-(
>
> Yes, I will be recording loops using the sound card!!!!!
>
> -----------------------------
> Matt McCabe
> Sales/Marketing Support
>
> SunGard BI-TECH
> 890 Fortress Street
> Chico, CA  95973
> 916.899.4348
> http://www.bi-tech.com

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:31:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kim Corbet <kcorbet@post.cis.smu.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9706301309.A13196-0100000@post.cis.smu.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I think this question of categorization and stylistic identification is 
interesting only in so much as we're forced to deal with it by the 
recording and retail industry.  Which, ofcourse, infects all of us.

I personally have no problem with "new age" or even the classical genre 
"new music" and, certainly, the beauty of the concept and tradition of 
"ambient"...but the public and musician stigma associated with these
labels can be difficult (especially in conservative areas like Dallas). 
With a background in and love of classical, blues, rock and jazz, the 
first time my girlfriend called my solo act "New Age", I cringed...
is THAT what people are hearing???  Oh, jeez.

I think that's why I often use some adjective plus "jazz"...like 
"punkjazz" or "ambient jazz" or "bubba jazz" or "____ jazz" depending 
on the venue and energy.  The jazz process of continuously stirring in 
one juxtaposed style after another reminds me of the old adage, "How can 
you have a revolution when the last revolution said 'anything goes'?"

spare kim

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:51:05 -0700
From: "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@primenet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-Id: <199706301952.MAA22567@usr01.primenet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Having bristled at the idea of "new age" being applied to Eno's music - or
mine, for that matter - I had to learn to understand the motivations of the
marketers behind the term.  "Electronic" doesn't apply to all of it, nor
does "Space", "Experimental", "Trance", "Rave", "Psychedelic", or any of
the other terms we've all see rotate through our favorite section of the
record store over the past 25 years or so.

I prefer "Ambient" myself, though most folks still don't know what
'ambient' means, which usually thrusts me right into the mode of having to
explain the term to someone.  In such a situation I end up using words and
phrases like "atmospheric", "soundtrack music", "space music"; and, failing
that, return to explain what Eno put forth as some of the essential
definitions of the genre (paraphrased as a result of memory):

"...It must be as ignorable as it is listenable..."

"...It seeks to enhance its environment, as opposed to Musak, which
blankets it..."

And, in my own words:

Ambient Music is at times best defined by what it is NOT.  It is not like
an ignored child, prodding you to pay attention to their newest 'trick',
jumping up and down and yelling "listen to THIS!".  It is therefore not
something that distracts you from your current tasks-at-hand, whether
pleasurable or otherwise.

The best definition, requiring the least explanation, is still the
listening itself.  For me, it's enough that people say, "Oh!", and suddenly
understand.  And, hopefully that entertains them too.

* Stephen Goodman            It's the Loop Of The Week!  And it's free!
* EarthLight Productions      http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:31:52 -0700
From: dan mcmullen <dog@well.com>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: more plex undo questions
Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970630133152.00602100@mail.well.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hello again,

no replies to my last, somewhat vague query about plex undo behavior, so
here are a few more specific questions:

- why does the undo led go on at the second repeat of a loop that has just
been recorded for the first time?

- it seems that loops just less than 1/3 of the available time can still
fail to undo an overdub that crosses the start point.  what is the actual
percent of total loop time that can always support the two full undos
necessary to eliminate overdubs that cross over the start point?

- the following sequence seems to confuse undo:

  - record a loop
  - 'accidentally' record over it, but end with undo to cancel the record
    and return to the first loop
  - overdub

a long-press undo does not work at this point to remove the overdub.
short-press undos can remove some of it, depending on where it is.  anyone
know what's going on here?

thanks much in advance,
dan
___
dan mcmullen                               don't worry - pay attention
dog@well.com                                              415.681-0712
pgp public key id  =  0A25C54D   (finger dog@well.com for current key)
      fingerprint  =  E4 F9 24 00 8C 1F 69 48  3B 09 C4 9A 09 59 43 0E

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:09:11 -0700
From: "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@primenet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Music Descriptions
Message-Id: <199706302210.PAA06194@usr07.primenet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Kim Corbet commented about the use of the word 'jazz' as a label for
ambient material, and I thought I'd add in some marketing/radio history
that coincides.  In the Los Angeles area, the radio station playing soft
rock/etc., KTWV ("The Wave") started out in '86-7 billing itself as a kind
of ambient station, playing pieces from Steve Reich, Brian Eno, Philip
Glass, and even on occasion King Crimson pieces in the vein of "Matte
Kudasai"; concurrently I began seeing the Music Plus's and Wherehouse's in
the area sporting a "New Age" section in the places formerly occupied by
labels like "Electronic" and "Experimental".

For the past year or so, The Wave - perhaps it's called the same thing in
'your' town - has been sporting the term 'soft jazz', which caused me to
think again of this term.  Perhaps the term 'jazz' is ethereal and
undefined enough to get away with as an umbrella, but isn't it just a
label, after all?  I wonder what true jazz enthusiasts and musicians would
think.  Anyone?

* Stephen Goodman            It's the Loop Of The Week!  And it's free!
* EarthLight Productions      http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:32:32 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: MIDI Patch Bay
Message-Id: <v01520d05afdd8f4a7edb@[205.177.25.43]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I'm beginning to investigate picking up one of these. Any personal
favorites out there in loop land. I think I need at least 5 in's and
6(probably more) outs. So at least a 6x8.

Recently there was a thread regarding music. I recently picked up Aurora by
KK Null and James Plotkin. VEry dark, I suspect they use loop boxes, but
I'm not sure. Not for the New Age crowd......

Patrick


 ***  ***    ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html  ***  **

  

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:45:23 PDT
From: "Jeffrey Weinberger" <jweinberger@hotmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: "Music for Thanksgiving"
Message-Id: <199707010145.SAA07194@f37.hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Several months ago I initiated a Fripp and Eno tribute entitled
"Music for Thaksgiving" in the Elephant Talk newsletter.  
    A web site for the project has been established at:

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/9984

    If any musicians are interested in submitting material for
the tribute, submission information can be obtained from the
web site.  We are also offering the option of having excerpts
of submissions posted at the site as audio files.  We are
currently encoding with the Real Audio format, but may soon
switch to a system offering greater fidelity.  The person
who is in charge of audio has offered to encode music from tapes
for those who do not have their own encoding system.   
 .

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:07:27 -0500
From: John Michael Beard <jbstudio@flash.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Fripp Review 
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970701030727.0068e254@flash.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Reposted from Elephant Talk:

From: "Mascarini, Rick (CORP)" <Rick.Mascarini@Corporate.ge.com>
Subject: G3 Review: Hartford CT., 19th of June, 1997
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:18:40 -0400

Firstly, let me warn folks to get to the shows as early as possible if you
wish to experience Robert's Soundscape performance.  I suggest as the gates
open to whatever performance space you're attending.

Secondly, if you don't want to spoil your experience, read no further.

Thirdly, the review:

We (my wife and I) traveled from Saratoga NY to Hartford CT during the
afternoon thinking (no, knowing) that we could miss Robert's performance.
We arrived at 4:30PM with plenty of time to spare.  Our tickets stated the
show was to start at 7PM - I asked a parking attendant what time the gates
opened - 5:30PM he told us.  Enough time for a quick ride through Hartford
to find a coffee shop.  A bonus, Coffee and Bagels (with our favorite Humus
topping) fit the bill.

5:25PM back the Meadows Music Center and standing at the entrance we could
hear Robert starting a 'Scape' up.  Gates opened and onward to our seats.
About 12 rows back, dead center from the stage. Robert is off to our left
standing next to his guitar rig talking to a guitar tech for one of the
other bands, who is tuning/repairing someone's instrument. People are now
starting to mill in - not many, everyone thinks the show is starting at
7PM.  Every now and then, Robert picks up one of two guitars and adds more
to the loop or morphs it a bit more. There appeared to be some technical
problem whenever Robert tried to use certain effects like panning w/Delay:
the sound system would overload the soundscape causing tremendous
distortion - it was to plague the performance throughout the day.

Robert would play for short periods of time then put the guitar down and
walk off to the side of the stage to take the sound in, talk with stage
personnel, have a drink and survey the audience (what there was of one.)
There probably wasn't more than one hundred people there. At one point I
believe he was talking w/ Bill Forth (Ten Seconds fame) as he is acting a
tour manager for Robert during the G3 tour of the US.

One amusing item (at least from our point of view - probably not from
Robert's) was during a part where a new guitar part was being added to the
loop, Robert stopped and moved toward the front of the stage to kindly ask
two maybe three security guards who were talking up a storm to move their
discussions elsewhere. This appeared to have put them off guard and they
did stop for a short period of time.  But they persisted and moments later,
Bill Forth walks out in front of the first row of seats and again, asks if
they would take it somewhere else. After what appeared to be some very
interesting discussions/looks between the guards, Robert and Bill Forth,
they finally moved and went their own ways.  Robert then sat back down and
applied more sound to the 'scape'.  Now this went on until about 7:25PM
until finally Robert picked up his personal belongings, a guitar and left
the stage to a small round of applause. By this time the crowd had grown to
7-8 hundred and most were unaware of what just took place during the
preceding two hours.

Fourthly, the music:

Such splendor hearing these soundscapes live !!  They take on a form all
their own.  We put our feet up on the seats in front of us and just let our
thoughts take us. So peaceful at times, so terrifying at others and
everything between.  During parts of the performance we'd walked around to
gauge the sound and effect from different points in the
amphitheater. Robert would build up walls of sound from chords played in
rapid picking fashion across his guitar then allow the delay to transform
them into washes of voice-like whispers. Similar, yet different to various
soundscapes that are available through DGM. Overall, minus the one
technical problem I mentioned earlier (and the interesting
Security/Performer interlude) an outstanding two hours of guitaring !

During each of the G3 performances (Sheppard, Vai and Satch) Robert could
be seem standing in the wings bopping along to a song or two from each
performer's set. Joe Satriani's set being the most interesting of the three
(main G3) performances given was quick to introduce the main principles,
including Robert, for the encore - a romp through blues based guitar club
band mainstays: "Goin' Down", "You Really Got Me" "Red House" and "My
Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama."  Robert coped the good 'ol Hammond B3
organ parts, quite tastefully I might add - throwing the audience for a
'loop' (no pun intended!) - and adding a few surprises in as well.  At
times a bit difficult to hear in the mix, but still fun and all seemed to
be having a grand time.

Finally, a conclusion.  See the soundscape performance for yourself - a
personal moving experience and one I wouldn't have missed. Be sure to
arrive early enough as we did, like I said, I knew (a feeling) we had to
get there early. I will make a point to see future performances of
Robert's, whatever the setting.  It's a matter of trust.
"Politics is the entertainment branch of industry." Frank Zappa
John Michael Beard
http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:55:49 -0500
From: "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Help - I want your non-loop knowledge
Message-ID: <33E01AD5.2A5D@dmans.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Seems this group has a diverse range of technical knowledge. Well I'm
having a slight problem my amp and thought I'd mine that vein. I hope
someone can give me a clue. My Crate VC3112 all tube amp (probably not
the rectifier) resonates with certain bass notes, making a raspy,
rattling kind of noise. The noise comes through the speaker and is not a
mechanical phenomenon (handle rattle, etc.) The $64,000 question is
this: is this the result of a microphonic tube? If so, how do I tell
which one. There are 4 12AX7's and 4 EL84's and none of them seem to be
glowing in a funny way. Any other ideas as to the cause?
  Thanks for your help.
Motley

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:48:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: KRosser414@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Don Preston
Message-ID: <970701094857_241320557@emout09.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-06-30 02:22:16 EDT, you write:

>Attention folks!  My friends, Oil Junkys, use an array of equipment,
>including an ancient Echoplex, to produce their music, which could be
>classified as electronic in some circles.
>
>Tuesday, July 1, 8pm, they're playing with Don Preston (one of the original
>Mothers, also played with Coltrane) at Lumpy Gravy here in LA.

Don played with Coltrane?  I know back when he was growing up in Detroit he
played bass with Elvin Jones for awhile.  Some of his more significant gigs
since leaving Zappa are Carla Bley, Gil Evans, John Carter/Bobby Bradford,
Jack Bruce and Mike Mantler.

I am playing duo with Don at Lumpy Gravy on Tuesday July 15.  We will be
doing some of the more out-jazz Mothers tunes (such as The Eric Dolphy
Memorial Barbeque), some Carla Bley, Bobby Bradford, as well as many Don
originals.  Don't know how much looping will be involved, but I'm toting
along the Vortex amongst other goodies and we usually do some free playing
that's more textural than jazz per se.

>The club is located at 7311 Beverly Boulevard in Los Angeles.  It is right
>next door to the Art Store and across the street from El Coyote.  There is
>valet parking in back (or at least there was last time I went).  Call (213)
>934-9400 for more information.  The bistro has dinner service and now has a
>liquor license.  (Pretty fine too!)  

There is still valet parking available.

Ken R

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Date: 1 Jul 1997 10:53:03 -0700
From: "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Travis@msgate.apple.com>
To: "Loopers Delight postings" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: FS: Vortex $225
Message-ID: <n1344375382.72960@msgate.apple.com>

from Harmony Central:  
Lexicon, Yamaha, Morley

Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

       Lexicon Vortex like new in box $225.00. Yamaha guitar multi-effects processor, mint in box
       $175.00. Morley wah/volume
       $55.00

Seller: Bill Beck, 
E-mail: hotgitr@adnc.com
Location: ESCONDIDO, CA
Post Date: 6/27/97

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Date: 1 Jul 1997 10:58:45 -0700
From: "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Travis@msgate.apple.com>
To: "Loopers Delight postings" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: FS: Boomerang $399
Message-ID: <n1344374900.99066@msgate.apple.com>

from Harmony Central:

FS: Boomerang Looping unit

Asking Price: US$399
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

       Brand new in the box (never used) , 1 meg memory (1 minute of loop time). The most user
       friendly loop unit ever. $399

Seller: Eric Welsh, 
E-mail: eswelsh@aol.com
Post Date: 6/25/97

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:51:10 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed)
Message-Id: <v01520d09afded0cf59e1@[200.254.32.102]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

First I want to thank for the nice words of Michael and Jon!

Then someone made the good question:
>So where do we get these albums?

Dave at Studio 17 actually had offered to do the distribution and me
blockhead was too lazy (busy?) to send him some material.
I am selling/trading just tapes, nicely produced, two years ago.
There are a lot more recordings, about half of it with many different
partners. Part of it is ready edited on about 10 CDRs here. How should I
distribute it?
A selection of it I sent on a CDR to Ray, to do our Loopers CD. What happened?

Maybe there could be a label with LOOP CDs out there? The page might be a
strong start for distribution!
Jon?

Matthias

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