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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 107

Today's Topics:
  RE: Unsettling Ambiences              [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ]
  Loopness Monster                      [ sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane) ]
  NEW JERSEY LOOPERS ??? !!!!Live Loop  [ andre <andre@monmouth.com> ]
  Record stores                         [ "mmason"<mmason@faulkcomp.com> ]
  Re: Returning music                   [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ]
  re: Unsettling Ambiences              [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ]
  Re: help!? - plex thermal problem ev  [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  re: Unsettling Ambiences              [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Record stores                         [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ]
  Re: Record stores                     [ Mattias Ribbing <mattias.ribbing@ma ]
  Re: Record stores                     [ james rhodes <sharkey@texas.net> ]
  Re: help!? - plex thermal problem ev  [ dan mcmullen <dog@well.com> ]
  Re[2]: Returning music                [ miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) ]
  Let The Power Fall...                 [ "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@prim ]
  Re: Let The Power Fall...             [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ]
  Re: Let The Power Fall...             [ landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) ]

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:39:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Unsettling Ambiences
Message-ID: <970707203942_225897193@emout04.mail.aol.com>

Recently I posted an excerpt from a Jazz Theory book about audience
concentration, or lack of, when confronted with a piece of music they might
be unfamiliar with. Someone asked for suggestions on how to keep an audience
interested. This is a real good question that I thought should go out to the
list and hopefully generate some good tips/discussion. Here's a couple things
I came up:

1) Be interested yourself. Nothing turns an audience off quicker than a
performer just going through the motions, no matter how technically brilliant
the performance. Even if you're struggling trying to make something happen
(Here I'm refferring to my imrovisational approach, but it applies to all
approaches-I think, to loopage which basically starts off with the building
of a loop/loops and then morphing them over time-in effect going on a
journey-and in the process weaving in some original "tunes"-basically excuses
to "jam" in a more conventional way- along the way) The audience will hang in
there with you (long enough at least until you can, hopefully get out of
trouble) if they can tell that you're "into" what you're doing. 
2) How to get yourself interested? One way I use is to throw myself a curve
such as start building your "springboard loop" in a different key, or with a
noise, or let's say with a different loop length. As per this last one you
might, after explaining to the audience how your Looper devices work, let
someone from the audience come up and initiate loop record/length while you
noodle away, thus capturing a non - planned initial loop that you, now all of
a sudden have to do something with. Also, when one audience member becomes
involved, in effect they all are, on a number of levels. On one level they
are drawn in by becoming part of the performance and on another level they
could be drawn in by way of a competative "let's see if we can stump the
musician" kind of thing. Either way you've got their attention and hopefully
your own. :-).

Other suggestions?-Paul (Mindscape Explorer)

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Date: Mon,  7 Jul 1997 20:31:10 GMT
From: sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane)
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Loopness Monster
Message-Id: <970707163005233@tmbsbbs.com>

Can you say typographical error? Can you say Loopness Monster?
 Sure you can! And I can too, second time around.

                                          Bryan Helm
                                       (Typing Class Flunkee
                                       -17 Words Per Min)

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:30:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: andre <andre@monmouth.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: NEW JERSEY LOOPERS ??? !!!!Live Loopage....
Message-Id: <199707080430.AAA14423@shell.monmouth.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hello looping sistren & brethren.....

if you're not in NJ or are easily bored - don't read on....

but if you are nearby or enjoy a good laugh - by all means - enjoy the
following and i hope you can make the show.....

also - Jersey/ NY/ PA looping people - let's keep in touch... a few of you
have already established contact and i hope we get some shows going on -
others - please do so  !!! and let me know of yr performances..!

andre'

read on............


yo!!

happy roswell anniversary... TODAY....!!

yeah yeah, i know, you're rolling your eyes... 

Look - i don't know any more about this than you do - but on this day 50
years ago - the US ARMY THEMSELVES claimed that a "flying saucer" had
crashed and been found... Two days later - the hasty retraction was released
- - but lets' remember - THEY STARTED IT !!..

anyway... if Timothy Leary was driving along Highway 420 between Dallas TX
and Roswell, NM, guess who would be on the radio .....
____________________________________________________________
JFK's LSD-UFO !!!

featuring - Cheri Jiosne on drums, percussion, synthes, bells, looping
                Andre' Cholmondeley (of the zappa trib band & hidden agenda)
                        on guitar, synth, tapes, samples, vocals, looping

well -come hear us this THURSDAY JULY 10

at --- THE BRIGHTON BAR
        121 Brighton Ave
        Longbranch NJ
        908-222-9684
____________________________________________________________
and we really really start at 9:45 pm...

c'mon down !!!!

what do we do??

lotsa percussion, synth patches, samples, delay loops, pukey guitar
very spacey... tripping without the time investment.

this week's performance will feature " Empire Century" - a treatise on the
fact that on MAY 23 1997 - the United States reached a dubious landmark - we
now have US troops in 100 countries !!!! Yes!!!

So - as even the miserable BRITISH EMPIRE comes to a halt in Hong Kong (so
the Chinese Empire can take over) we in the USA roll onwards to bizarre
dimensions. We can't afford decent school lunches, day care, BASIC health
care, safe, clean water or air, or many other basic democratic amenities -
but we can afford to put a zillion of our trained goons in every corner of
the world. Ahhhh... e pluribus unum

well - if you're read this far and haven't pressed delete in disgust, email
me if you're interested in ordering our tape - which will be out in about 3
weeks.... you're be informed against your will anyway....

peace, we gotta work for it !

andre'

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 14:57:35 -0600
From: "mmason"<mmason@faulkcomp.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Record stores
Message-Id: <9707078683.AA868306259@fsmtp.faulkcomp.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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     All the talk about record stores got me thinkin.....
     
     Down here in Austin, TX we have two or three used CD stores that go by 
     the name of CD Wharehouse. I'm prettey sure they're a chain, cus when 
     I was in Colorado last summer I remember seeing one. I don't know 
     about their return policy, but you can listen to any CD (ecept for 
     real rare ones and imports) before you buy it. And their prices are 
     pretty good too. Buying used CDs has allowed my collection to grow a 
     lot more than if I had spent $15.00 on new ones all the time. 
        You might think that they only have rather mainstream discs, but 
     they have some pretty obscure stuff sometimes. I think people read 
     about the CDs in magazines and stuff, so they buy em and then they 
     have a listen, and they really think the CDs suck. So they trade em 
     in. Ive gottten some Fripp soundscapes , some modern classical stuff,  
     and seen some Torn and other "ambient?" or "experimental" discs. I 
     also bought some great used cassetes, LPs, and CDs at Half Price 
     Books.
        BUt when I want to get DMG, CMP, or other strange CDs I am forced 
     to go to a really expensive store (like Waterloo Records, Book People, 
     Antones Records)  where I can't afford anything. I paid $20.00 for my 
     "Polytown" CD at Barnes and Nobels. It was worth it 
     but..............just too much. Also bands like Chavez, Man...or 
     Astroman? and lots of "experimental" discs I want to check out are 
     only at these stores. So I end up not making the purchase. That sucks.
        I'm sure you all cared, but I just felt like writin some email. 
     Wowsers.
     
     Jay or Boris
     mmason@faulkcomp.com  

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:37:52 +0100
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Returning music
Message-Id: <10402.199707080837@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Travis:

>What backward burgs are y'all living in?  No return policy?  Shee-yit....

I wish... Ifinally got "Let The Power Fall" t'other day and was utterly
disappointed.  I was expecting more variety of tones (ie more than one!),
as on the GP soundpage "Easter Monday" or the performances in Wimbourne
Minster for a BBC documentary.  I'd really like to take this one back - the
whole "beyond Fripp" argument seems more and more meaningless...

Michael

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes  *Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979    *University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
Fax: (+44) 141 330 4907    *"And the answers?  Sometimes the answers 
www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft*just come in the mail" -Laurie Anderson

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:43:34 +0100
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: re: Unsettling Ambiences
Message-Id: <10519.199707080843@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Kim:
>Mike:
>>Fred:
>>>- player and  "listener" are SAME person.
>>Point one is only true in you're playing for yourself; if there is an
>>audience, this statement becomes rather abstract and meaningless.
>Even I, with an engineering degree and a dim knowledge of philosophy,
>recognized point one's origins in the German Enlightenment, 

Showoff!  :(

>synthesis is more than the square wave coming out of that box in your rack.....

You've been hanging around with these... these... _arty_ types too long, Kim!
Go to your room and read nothing but S-plane based signal processing texts
'till all these nasty thoughts have gone.  Trust me, I'm a doctor...  :)

Michael

"Two conjugate poles in the right side of the plane......."  Faster, faster! 

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes  *Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979    *University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
Fax: (+44) 141 330 4907    *"And the answers?  Sometimes the answers 
www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft*just come in the mail" -Laurie Anderson

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:39:11 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: help!? - plex thermal problem even with mod?
Message-Id: <v03102803afe77da9fd26@[207.171.196.46]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Dan-

you've asked about undo on the echoplex a bunch of times recently. I've
been meaning to help you out, but haven't yet had a chance to get to it. I
can get you a quick answer today:


At 8:16 PM -0700 7/7/97, dan mcmullen wrote:
>just saw the "undo == record" behavior on my new plex after having it on
>for most of today!  has anyone else seen this?
>
>the only twist to my mod was that the adc chip in my plex is socketed, so i
>just bent the pin out rather than clipping it.  this should work, yes?

two possible problems:

a) you bent up the wrong pin. check the diagram on the website to make sure
you got it right.

b) it is July and you live in the Northern Hemisphere, where it is the
middle of a hot summer, and your echoplex was on all day in a poorly
ventilated room with a high ambient temperature. If that is the case, take
the advice of our friends in equatorial climates, and use a fan. Air moving
around a metal box will do a lot to remove heat. If the adc pin is cut, the
temperature has to be quite high to cause a failure, but I've seen people
do it! The heat inside a metal box enclosed in a rack can get far greater
than the air where you are sitting. Remember, all electronics devices will
fail if the heat they generate is not somehow removed. Even if there is not
some obvious problem, excessive heat will be causing many components to
slowly deteriorate, and one day you will have a problem. Take care of your
gear, keep it cool and clean, and it will last.

>my board is rev b, w/ 3.32 firmware.

that doesn't matter for this problem.


>
>tia,
>dan
>
>ps- figured out that the undo led goes on the 2nd loop after recording if
>feedback is less than 100%: you can undo the gain reduction for each loop!
>:-)  seems like this could interfere with undoing overdubs & such when
>feedback is <100% though.  is there any way to disable this behavior?

Reducing feedback is changing the loop in exactly the same way as Overdub.
Undo takes away changes made to the loop, whether they are made by overdub
or feedback or whatever. There is no way to change that or have undo
differentiate between one kind of change and another. (boy, that would be a
complicated user interface!) Take another look at the section in the manual
that explains how memory and undo are related to get a better understanding
of this. As you are probably noticing, undoing the gain changes is pretty
useful anyway!

hope this helps,

kim


>___
>dan mcmullen                               don't worry - pay attention
>dog@well.com                                              415.681-0712
>pgp public key id  =  0A25C54D   (finger dog@well.com for current key)
>      fingerprint  =  E4 F9 24 00 8C 1F 69 48  3B 09 C4 9A 09 59 43 0E


______________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:33:16 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: re: Unsettling Ambiences
Message-Id: <v03102807afe7b893d53b@[207.171.196.54]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Kim:
>>Mike:
>>>Fred:
>>>>- player and  "listener" are SAME person.
>>>Point one is only true in you're playing for yourself; if there is an
>>>audience, this statement becomes rather abstract and meaningless.
>>Even I, with an engineering degree and a dim knowledge of philosophy,
>>recognized point one's origins in the German Enlightenment,
>
>Showoff!  :(
>
>>synthesis is more than the square wave coming out of that box in your
>>rack.....
>
>You've been hanging around with these... these... _arty_ types too long, Kim!
>Go to your room and read nothing but S-plane based signal processing texts
>'till all these nasty thoughts have gone.  Trust me, I'm a doctor...  :)

heh....I'm practicing to get into upper management. You see, the people
that sound smart but can't actually do anything get paid the really big
bucks....If you actually make the mistake of developing a useful skill,
you'll be forced to do it for your whole life....


>Michael
>
>"Two conjugate poles in the right side of the plane......."  Faster, faster!

ouch, ouch!

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: 08 Jul 97 07:32:03 EDT
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Record stores
Message-ID: <970708113203_74074.1316_GHP54-2@CompuServe.COM>

Jay wrote:

>I paid $20.00 for my "Polytown" CD at Barnes and Nobels. It was worth it 
>but..............just too much.


OK, I'll admit $20 is extreme for a CD. But did you look into buying a novel
while at Barnes & Nobles? Which you'll probably read but once? It really isn't
so bad when you look at entertainment costs across the board. 

Jon Durant

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:10:56 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Mattias Ribbing <mattias.ribbing@mailbox.swipnet.se>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Record stores
Message-Id: <199707081210.OAA16459@mailbox.swip.net>
Content-Type: text/plain

>
>>I paid $20.00 for my "Polytown" CD at Barnes and Nobels. It was worth it 
>>but..............just too much.
>
>
>OK, I'll admit $20 is extreme for a CD. But did you look into buying a novel
>while at Barnes & Nobles? Which you'll probably read but once? It really isn't
>so bad when you look at entertainment costs across the board. 
>
>Jon Durant

You guys are lucky. Here in Sweden you can«t find new cd«s for less than $19
(USD). There are some stores where you can buy used cd«s but there are only
mainstream music there.

Mattias

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:28:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: james rhodes <sharkey@texas.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Record stores
Message-Id: <199707081428.JAA09174@mail2.texas.net>
Content-Type: text/plain

well if you are going to pay $20 for a CD, "Polytown" is one that is worth
it,,i have found alot of good CD deals from ordering online,,,i mean some
hard to find used and new ones, our little local world music etc CD store
went belly up due to the effects of a Blockbuster music opening about a
block away,,,Blockbuster is slack,and expensive,,,of course i dont eat at
Mcdonalds either, why pay someone to poison my body and mind with
mediocrity? i am capable of doing that myself.
james rhodes



At 02:10 PM 7/8/97 +0200, you wrote:
>>
>>>I paid $20.00 for my "Polytown" CD at Barnes and Nobels. It was worth it 
>>>but..............just too much.
>>
>>
>>OK, I'll admit $20 is extreme for a CD. But did you look into buying a novel
>>while at Barnes & Nobles? Which you'll probably read but once? It really isn't
>>so bad when you look at entertainment costs across the board. 
>>
>>Jon Durant
>
>You guys are lucky. Here in Sweden you can«t find new cd«s for less than $19
>(USD). There are some stores where you can buy used cd«s but there are only
>mainstream music there.
>
>Mattias
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 07:51:02 -0700
From: dan mcmullen <dog@well.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: help!? - plex thermal problem even with mod?
Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970708075102.005dfea0@mail.well.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 10:39 PM 7/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Dan-
>
>you've asked about undo on the echoplex a bunch of times recently. I've
>been meaning to help you out, but haven't yet had a chance to get to it. I
>can get you a quick answer today:

i appreciate it.

>At 8:16 PM -0700 7/7/97, dan mcmullen wrote:
>>just saw the "undo == record" behavior on my new plex after having it on
>>for most of today!  has anyone else seen this?
>>
>>the only twist to my mod was that the adc chip in my plex is socketed, so i
>>just bent the pin out rather than clipping it.  this should work, yes?
>
>two possible problems:
>
>a) you bent up the wrong pin. check the diagram on the website to make sure
>you got it right.
>
pretty sure on that one.

>b) it is July and you live in the Northern Hemisphere, where it is the
>middle of a hot summer, and your echoplex was on all day in a poorly
>ventilated room with a high ambient temperature. If that is the case, take
>the advice of our friends in equatorial climates, and use a fan.

as a last resort, i'll do that.  alternately, is there one component in
particular that is heat sensitive?  the adc?  i've glued heat sinks on
particular chips in the past.  this problem hasn't recurred yet, but it
wasn't all that hot in the house at the time.

>>ps- figured out that the undo led goes on the 2nd loop after recording if
>>feedback is less than 100%: you can undo the gain reduction for each loop!
>>:-)  seems like this could interfere with undoing overdubs & such when
>>feedback is <100% though.  is there any way to disable this behavior?
>
>Reducing feedback is changing the loop in exactly the same way as Overdub.
>Undo takes away changes made to the loop, whether they are made by overdub
>or feedback or whatever. There is no way to change that or have undo
>differentiate between one kind of change and another. (boy, that would be a
>complicated user interface!) Take another look at the section in the manual
>that explains how memory and undo are related to get a better understanding
>of this. As you are probably noticing, undoing the gain changes is pretty
>useful anyway!

sometimes yes.  other times it can make it hard to predict what undo will
(un)do.  also, it means that 'undo' memory gets used up rather quickly when
feedback is reduced.  i see the difficulties though.

mostly, i was surprised to see undo kick in w/ reduced feedback.  it seems
that there have been other times (after multiply?) when undo became active
without obvious reason.  is there a comprehensive list of undoable events?
are there other surprising undoables?

just what you need: more questions with too little time to answer them!  :-)

>hope this helps,

it does.  thanks.

dan

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dan mcmullen                               don't worry - pay attention
dog@well.com                                              415.681-0712
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:11:45 +0400
From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, 
    pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) 
Subject: Re[2]: Returning music
Message-ID: <000020A5.@poyry.com.br>
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     Let The Power Fall e' um disco altamente conceitual e deve ser 
     ouvido/entendido como tal.
     
     Nao menos importante que a musica e' o texto que acompanha o disco. 
     Idem para as outras obras da trilogia.
     
     Nao esqueca tambem que foi gravado com os dois Revox+Les Paul+Big 
     Muff.
     
     Toda essa epoca so'faz ver que o Fripp e'um dos caras mais 
     consistentes que ja' passaram pela "industria musical".
     
     Como sugestao (to brincando): toca o cd atraves de um Vortex ou 
     qualquer outro multieffect que os sons devem mudar...
     
     Miguel


___________________________ Separador de Resposta ________________________
Assunto: Re: Returning music
Autor:  pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) na INTERNET
Data:    08/07/1900 9:37


Travis:

>What backward burgs are y'all living in?  No return policy?  Shee-yit....

I wish... Ifinally got "Let The Power Fall" t'other day and was utterly 
disappointed.  I was expecting more variety of tones (ie more than one!), 
as on the GP soundpage "Easter Monday" or the performances in Wimbourne 
Minster for a BBC documentary.  I'd really like to take this one back - the 
whole "beyond Fripp" argument seems more and more meaningless...
     
Michael
     
Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes  *Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, 
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979    *University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. 
Fax: (+44) 141 330 4907    *"And the answers?  Sometimes the answers 
www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft*just come in the mail" -Laurie Anderson
     
     
     

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:26:01 -0700
From: "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@primenet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Let The Power Fall...
Message-Id: <199707081627.JAA00193@usr07.primenet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Dr. Hughes wrote:

> I wish... Ifinally got "Let The Power Fall" t'other day and was utterly
> disappointed.  I was expecting more variety of tones (ie more than one!),
> as on the GP soundpage "Easter Monday" or the performances in Wimbourne
> Minster for a BBC documentary.  I'd really like to take this one back -
the
> whole "beyond Fripp" argument seems more and more meaningless...

Might I remind you that the Let The Power Fall material is quite a bit
older than the current Soundscapes material, and also more than minimalist
in comparison.  As a rough outline/example of looping guitar, if not also
an introduction to such work, I think it excels.  There is no levels of
complexity to plow through to figure out "how it's done", frankly; and, as
minimalist tone poems, I've always liked LTPF myself.

What exactly were you looking for in this album, to be so disappointed?

* Stephen Goodman            It's the Loop Of The Week!  And it's free!
* EarthLight Productions      http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:49:02 +0100
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Let The Power Fall...
Message-Id: <17707.199707081649@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Stephen Goodman:
>Dr. Hughes wrote:

Not so formal, please!  :)

>> I wish... Ifinally got "Let The Power Fall" t'other day and was utterly
>> disappointed.  I was expecting more variety of tones (ie more than one!),
>> as on the GP soundpage "Easter Monday" or the performances in Wimbourne
>> Minster for a BBC documentary.  I'd really like to take this one back -
>the
>> whole "beyond Fripp" argument seems more and more meaningless...
>
>Might I remind you that the Let The Power Fall material is quite a bit
>older than the current Soundscapes material, and also more than minimalist
>in comparison.  As a rough outline/example of looping guitar, if not also
>an introduction to such work, I think it excels.  There is no levels of
>complexity to plow through to figure out "how it's done", frankly; and, as
>minimalist tone poems, I've always liked LTPF myself.
>What exactly were you looking for in this album, to be so disappointed?

Well, both the documentary and soundpage featured much richer textures,
which I was expecting - though both were a _bit_ later than LTPF, maybe
'84.  Certainly pre-Soundscapes!  He was using a Roland Gtr synth, but also
electric and acoustic guitars.  As an example of looping, agreed, it's
great; as a peice of music I wasn't impressed.  Your point on "minimalist
tone poems" is a good one, though;  perhaps I'm listening to the work with
the wrong ears (so to speak).
I'll give it another go.  To those who know the peices I'm talking about -
mid-80's Frippertronics - has he released anything with wider varieties of
tones?

Michael

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes  *Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979    *University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
Fax: (+44) 141 330 4907    *"And the answers?  Sometimes the answers 
www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft*just come in the mail" -Laurie Anderson

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:07:54 -0700
From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Let The Power Fall...
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>Dr. Hughes wrote:
>
>> I wish... Ifinally got "Let The Power Fall" t'other day and was utterly
>> disappointed.  I was expecting more variety of tones (ie more than one!),
>> as on the GP soundpage "Easter Monday" or the performances in Wimbourne
>> Minster for a BBC documentary.  I'd really like to take this one back -
>the
>> whole "beyond Fripp" argument seems more and more meaningless...
>

Remeber besides the age of this recording (1979), that we're only hearing
the recorded loop material, NOT the soloing that was an integral part of
the process.

It's a testament to quality of the material that you could remove "half" of
it and have it still function as a musical piece.

I saw Fripp at Mabuhay (July 29th show, the "1989" track), and it was marvelousÉ

Mark

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