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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 115

Today's Topics:
  RE: Re[2]: Midi looping               [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re[4]: Midi looping                   [ miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) ]
  Hard disk recording/looping           [ Squidlyguy@aol.com ]
  Re[4]: Midi looping                   [ miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) ]
  Echoplex upgrade update               [ "Bret Moreland" <Bret_Moreland@maxt ]
  RE: Hard disk recording/looping       [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS          [ PainPete@aol.com ]
  Re: A couple of Responses             [ John Pollock <johnpollock@delphi.co ]
  Recommended Listening                 [ ZeplinSoup@aol.com ]
  Re: Recommended Listening             [ miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) ]
  RE: Hard disk recording/looping       [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Recommended Listening             [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  RE: Recommended Listening             [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: Recommended Listening             [ buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barre ]
  Re: Hard disk recording/looping       [ "The Negative Eye" <juma@cyberia.ne ]
  Re: Age...?                           [ Rick Canton <rpc@cyberportal.net> ]
  Him/HerselF (Re: Recommended Listeni  [ "The Negative Eye" <juma@cyberia.ne ]
  Am I Looping ? >I think so >          [ Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> ]

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:03:00 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Midi looping
Message-Id: <9707171927.AA07795@beryllium.lexicon.com>

 ----------
From:  Hogan, Greg
Sent:  Thursday, July 17, 1997 9:09 AM
To:  Loopers-Delight
Subject:  RE: Re[2]: Midi looping

Miguel asked "How do you manage the annoying noise (sounds like a small   
glitch) that appears next to the loop boundary when the JamMan is   
receiving MIDI clock?

I tried to get rid of it with all kinds of tricks I could think of but
did not succeed."

Miguel,

There must be something wrong with your JAMMAN.  Even if a loop is not   
spliced together perfectly there should be no added noise at the splice   
point.  Certainly if the end and begining of a loop are not either silent   
or matched perfectly you will here a glitch but this is not an added   
noise it is only what you here when you jump between two different sounds   
or tones.
Either you are not matching the end and beginning loops or you have a   
broken JAMMAN.

If you record a loop of silence you should find is that at the   
end/beginning of the loop(what I would call the splice point) is actually   
more silent then the rest of the loop.  If this is not the case and there   
is noise at the splice point therte is a problem with the machine.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that   
I can do for you.


Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:59:09 +0400
From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT)
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>, 
    "Hogan; Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> 
Subject: Re[4]: Midi looping
Message-ID: <00002BBF.@poyry.com.br>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Description: cc:Mail note part

     Hi Greg,
     
     I am almost sure my JamMan is not broken (I will perform the test you 
     suggest to be sure) but the noise exists as confirmed by Bob Sellon on 
     the following mail:
     
     
     Message was resent -- Original recipients were: 
     To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
     
     Miguel,
     
     There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you 
     can   fix the other you can't.
     
     When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the end 
     of   the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the number 
     of   beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end 
     the loop   manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter 
     than it should   be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the 
     loop twice: once when   the end of the loop (time) is detected and 
     once when the correct number   of MIDI clocks has come in. The 
     solution is to let Jamman close the loop   by itself (DON'T tap a 
     second time). This will get the loops size to it's   best fit.
     
     The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks 
     and   the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a 
     loop size   to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is that 
     most MIDI clock   sources have jitter (timing variations) in the same 
     neighborhood. After   the loop time is locked in, the priority in 
     Jamman is to stay in perfect   sync with the incoming MIDI clock. The 
     problem is that the combined half   millisecond resolution of Jamman 
     and the jitter on the incoming clock   result in the actual size of 
     the loop changing very slightly every time   through. As the loop size 
     changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or   replays the very 
     beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in   potential clicks 
     and pops. With the PC itself being slaved the jitter   gets worse and 
     so do the clicks and pops.
     
     As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as 
     you   said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other 
     thing I can   suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place something 
     percussive at   the splice point which will tend to mask the noise. I 
     am looking at the   problem, however, and will let you know if I come 
     up with anything.
     
     If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, I'd  
      love to hear it.
     
     Bob Sellon
     Lexicon/Stec
     bsellon@lexicon.com
     
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     Robert S. Carter also listens to the glitch, see his mail:
     
     Y'know I never really heard the glitch so much until I went home after 
     reading your post and listened carefully. Now it's gonna bug the hell 
     out of me. Thanks a lot :). Some loops it's not so bad but yeah it can 
     be annoying. 
     
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     
     Anyway, I thik we have to live with it until some kind of upgrade 
     happens.
     
     Regards,
     
     Miguel
     
============================================================================

     
Miguel asked "How do you manage the annoying noise (sounds like a small   
glitch) that appears next to the loop boundary when the JamMan is   
receiving MIDI clock?
     
I tried to get rid of it with all kinds of tricks I could think of but 
did not succeed."
     
Miguel,
     
There must be something wrong with your JAMMAN.  Even if a loop is not   
spliced together perfectly there should be no added noise at the splice   
point.  Certainly if the end and begining of a loop are not either silent   
or matched perfectly you will here a glitch but this is not an added   
noise it is only what you here when you jump between two different sounds   
or tones.
Either you are not matching the end and beginning loops or you have a   
broken JAMMAN.
     
If you record a loop of silence you should find is that at the   
end/beginning of the loop(what I would call the splice point) is actually   
more silent then the rest of the loop.  If this is not the case and there   
is noise at the splice point therte is a problem with the machine.
     
Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that   
I can do for you.
     
     
Best regards,
     
Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com
     
     
     
     

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:00:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Squidlyguy@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Hard disk recording/looping
Message-ID: <970717180028_-392183885@emout06.mail.aol.com>

Hey everyone - this question has to do with recording and looping onto a PC
(I believe some of you loop in this fashion).  I'm hoping to get a new PC
(200 MHz) pretty soon, and want to be able to multitrack my guitar "noises"
onto the hard drive (I don't have an ADAT or separate hard disk recorder).
 However, I'd like to be able to listen to the previously recorded tracks
while laying down the next one.  I guess I'll need full duplex capability on
whatever sound card that I get.  Any suggestions on what would be the ideal
(and/or affordable!) hardware and software to achieve this type of setup?
 Right now I'm just concerned about recording my rack system through the line
in (with power attenuator, speaker simulator, etc.), but might eventually get
into the MIDI aspect of everything.  Does the differences between Cakewalk
5.0 and Pro Audio 6.0 make much of a difference for these applications?
 Also, does any of the software offer looping capabilities?  Thanks for any
help.  


Brian

<squidlyguy@aol.com> -  Feel free to e-mail me if you have any suggestions

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:15:06 +0400
From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT)
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>, 
    "Hogan; Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> 
Subject: Re[4]: Midi looping
Message-ID: <00002BD9.@poyry.com.br>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Description: cc:Mail note part

     Hi Greg,
     
     I am almost sure my JamMan is not broken (I will perform the test you 
     suggest to be sure) but the noise exists as confirmed by Bob Sellon on 
     the following mail:
     
     
     Message was resent -- Original recipients were: 
     To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
     
     Miguel,
     
     There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you 
     can   fix the other you can't.
     
     When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the end 
     of   the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the number 
     of   beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end 
     the loop   manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter 
     than it should   be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the 
     loop twice: once when   the end of the loop (time) is detected and 
     once when the correct number   of MIDI clocks has come in. The 
     solution is to let Jamman close the loop   by itself (DON'T tap a 
     second time). This will get the loops size to it's   best fit.
     
     The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks 
     and   the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a 
     loop size   to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is that 
     most MIDI clock   sources have jitter (timing variations) in the same 
     neighborhood. After   the loop time is locked in, the priority in 
     Jamman is to stay in perfect   sync with the incoming MIDI clock. The 
     problem is that the combined half   millisecond resolution of Jamman 
     and the jitter on the incoming clock   result in the actual size of 
     the loop changing very slightly every time   through. As the loop size 
     changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or   replays the very 
     beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in   potential clicks 
     and pops. With the PC itself being slaved the jitter   gets worse and 
     so do the clicks and pops.
     
     As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as 
     you   said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other 
     thing I can   suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place something 
     percussive at   the splice point which will tend to mask the noise. I 
     am looking at the   problem, however, and will let you know if I come 
     up with anything.
     
     If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, I'd  
      love to hear it.
     
     Bob Sellon
     Lexicon/Stec
     bsellon@lexicon.com
     
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     Robert S. Carter also listens to the glitch, see his mail:
     
     Y'know I never really heard the glitch so much until I went home after 
     reading your post and listened carefully. Now it's gonna bug the hell 
     out of me. Thanks a lot :). Some loops it's not so bad but yeah it can 
     be annoying. 
     
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     
     Anyway, I thik we have to live with it until some kind of upgrade 
     happens.
     
     Regards,
     
     Miguel
     
============================================================================

     
Miguel asked "How do you manage the annoying noise (sounds like a small   
glitch) that appears next to the loop boundary when the JamMan is   
receiving MIDI clock?
     
I tried to get rid of it with all kinds of tricks I could think of but 
did not succeed."
     
Miguel,
     
There must be something wrong with your JAMMAN.  Even if a loop is not   
spliced together perfectly there should be no added noise at the splice   
point.  Certainly if the end and begining of a loop are not either silent   
or matched perfectly you will here a glitch but this is not an added   
noise it is only what you here when you jump between two different sounds   
or tones.
Either you are not matching the end and beginning loops or you have a   
broken JAMMAN.
     
If you record a loop of silence you should find is that at the   
end/beginning of the loop(what I would call the splice point) is actually   
more silent then the rest of the loop.  If this is not the case and there   
is noise at the splice point therte is a problem with the machine.
     
Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that   
I can do for you.
     
     
Best regards,
     
Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com
     
     
     
     

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 18:08:19 MDT
From: "Bret Moreland" <Bret_Moreland@maxtor.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Echoplex upgrade update
Message-ID: <vines.PP59+nDfnnA@Longmont64.Maxtor.COM>
Content-type: text/plain;
               charset=US-ASCII

Loop folk,
Being a 40yr old, near sighted, blue eyed, long haired, Capricorn ..., I 
wrote to Dean Fouts, Kevin Philbin, and Mike Lyon regarding the EDP 
software upgrade.  They did not reply, but Pat Murphy <pmurphy@gibson.com> 
did.  Here is what I heard back from Gibson about the Echoplex upgrade:

>Bret
>From what I have heard, the cost will be $45 for the upgrade. I am not 
sure
>how it will be handled. I have also heard that it will be a few more 
weeks
>before the upgrade is available in the real world.
>thanks
>Pat Murphy

I will let you know when I hear more.  Many thanks to Kim, Matthias and 
clan for bringing this software upgrade (as well as the EDP itself) to 
fruition.  

regards,
bret

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:21:08 -0400
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Hard disk recording/looping
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_WV1-970718002108Z-4888@exchange_wv1.ATK.COM>

On the Mac side there is Deck II.  I've used it for years,
great program.  You can loop with it.  You use
it with the buit in DSP on powermacs, quadra av's
or with cards from Digidesign or Korg.  You
can check it out at the Macromedia web site

Http://www.macromedia.com/

 Mark of theUnicorn makes a program called Digital Performer 
that combines MIDI and HD recording, I
suppose you can loop with that also.  I think it is
available for PC's also.  Don't  use it myself. 
 I do use their Freesytle sequencer
and Unisynth Patch Librian software om a powermac.

web:
Http://www.motu.com/

Both have good tech support and user e-mailing lists. 

later
John


>----------
>From: 	Squidlyguy@aol.com
>Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Sent: 	Thursday, July 17, 1997 6:00 PM
>To: 	John_Ott@ATK.COM
>Subject: 	Hard disk recording/looping
>
>Hey everyone - this question has to do with recording and looping onto a PC
>(I believe some of you loop in this fashion).  I'm hoping to get a new PC
>(200 MHz) pretty soon, and want to be able to multitrack my guitar "noises"
>onto the hard drive (I don't have an ADAT or separate hard disk recorder).
> However, I'd like to be able to listen to the previously recorded tracks
>while laying down the next one.  I guess I'll need full duplex capability on
>whatever sound card that I get.  Any suggestions on what would be the ideal
>(and/or affordable!) hardware and software to achieve this type of setup?
> Right now I'm just concerned about recording my rack system through the line
>in (with power attenuator, speaker simulator, etc.), but might eventually get
>into the MIDI aspect of everything.  Does the differences between Cakewalk
>5.0 and Pro Audio 6.0 make much of a difference for these applications?
> Also, does any of the software offer looping capabilities?  Thanks for any
>help.  
>
>
>Brian
>
><squidlyguy@aol.com> -  Feel free to e-mail me if you have any suggestions
>
>

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:48:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: PainPete@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS
Message-ID: <970717204850_592813264@emout05.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-07-13 23:05:23 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:	Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS
 Date:	97-07-13 23:05:23 EDT
 From:	PainPete@aol.com
 Resent-from:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 Reply-to:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 
 
 Funny, I always thought SSOSFAGTIACAGWAP was largely sped-up spliced tape
 loops of Roger Waters acting like small jungle mammals. Could we both be
 right perhaps? 
 
 In a message dated 97-07-13 15:35:54 EDT, you write:
 
 << Subj:	Re: RE: Let The Power Fall - EMS
  Date:	97-07-13 15:35:54 EDT
  From:	BlkSwan03@aol.com
  Resent-from:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  Reply-to:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  
  
  In a message dated 7/13/97 5:23:32 PM, you wrote:
  
  <<My copy of Pink Floyd "Live Pompeii" which includes film of the 
  "Dark Side of the Moon" Sessions show Roger Waters playing
  the Track.  
  >>
  
  With not one but two AKS's.   Sorry I left them out.  Didn't mean to.  I
  think they had been messing with EMS stuff for a bit before "Dark Side".
    Roger's  "Several Species of
  Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With A Pict"
  (which I assume everyone on this list is familiar with-off of "Ummagumma".)
   is done with vocals but I think it was set up with the AKS and the vocal
  parts were added on top.  The reason I think that is because I once got the
  very same type of rythymic chant kind of sound off the AKS.  It was very
  weird and another example of the unique qualities of this synth.
  
                               Jim  (Portland, OR)
   >>
 
  >>

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 01:52:58 -0500
From: John Pollock <johnpollock@delphi.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: A couple of Responses
Message-id: <33CF12CA.DBD@delphi.com>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

Randy Jones wrote:

> Hey I was 15 thirty three years ago. No one is older than me here!!!

Hey, I was 15 thirty-seven years ago...
-- 
John Pollock
mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com
http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech)

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:17:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Recommended Listening
Message-ID: <970718141654_-725789418@emout19.mail.aol.com>

I have heard Fripp with King Crimson and Bowie but am unfamilair with other
works.David Torn have heard of but not heard...

Who Do You Recommend the aspiring Looper
listen to?

Reeve

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:42:47 +0400
From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ZeplinSoup@aol.com 
Subject: Re: Recommended Listening
Message-ID: <00002C61.@poyry.com.br>
Content-Type: text/plain
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     Terry Riley => A rainbow over curved air;
     David Sylvian => Gone to earth
     Matthias Grob => Musica aguariana para viajar-se
     David Sylvian => Seecrets from the beehive
     Fripp/Eno => Evening Star
     Robert Fripp => Easter Sunday
     
     Have fun!!!
     
     Miguel


___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________
Assunto: Recommended Listening
Autor:  ZeplinSoup@aol.com na INTERNET
Data:    18/07/1900 14:17


I have heard Fripp with King Crimson and Bowie but am unfamilair with other 
works.David Torn have heard of but not heard...
     
Who Do You Recommend the aspiring Looper 
listen to?
     
Reeve
     

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:44:38 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Hard disk recording/looping
Message-Id: <v01520d0daff55b2c3e3f@[200.254.32.154]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

John Ott said:
>On the Mac side there is Deck II.  I've used it for years,
>great program.  You can loop with it.

I am using DECK for years, too, but never for looping, just for editing loops.

Could you explain how DECK helps you for looping in praxis... not so much
the handling, but in the musical sense?

Thank you
Matthias

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:51:15 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Recommended Listening
Message-Id: <v01520d11aff587369710@[200.254.32.154]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>I have heard Fripp with King Crimson and Bowie but am unfamilair with other
>works.David Torn have heard of but not heard...
>
>Who Do You Recommend the aspiring Looper
>listen to?

sure...

...so many suggestions came in the last two months.
Could someone offer an hour to collect them so we can put them on the page
for anyone to access easily?

Matthias

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:46:16 -0400
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Recommended Listening
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_WV1-970718214616Z-5418@exchange_wv1.ATK.COM>

>---quote---
>     Terry Riley => A rainbow over curved air;
>     David Sylvian => Gone to earth
>     Matthias Grob => Musica aguariana para viajar-se
>     David Sylvian => Seecrets from the beehive
>     Fripp/Eno => Evening Star
>     Robert Fripp => Easter Sunday
>     
>     Have fun!!!
>     
>     Miguel
>
----end quote--

Good choices,  "Evening Star" is a favorite of mine.

Some recent good loopy stuff:

Michael Brook "Albino Alligator" soundtrack
Daniel Lanois "Sling Blade" soundtrack  

      I've never been disappointed by anything from Brook, Fripp, Torn,
Lanois.

      later
      John

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:54:13 -0400
From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Recommended Listening
Message-Id: <199707182154.AA05536@world.std.com>

To add a minor historical note, I noticed that there's a looped
saxophone solo on the first Roxy Music album.  (I think it's saxophone,
although Andrew Mackay is also credited with playing the oboe, and
I'm not familiar enough reed instrument tonalities in that dense a mix.)
Presumably Eno had something to do with it; the album is copyright 1972;
I don't know how that fits in with Eno&Fripp's stuff.

Album: "Roxy Music"
Track 5: "2 H.B."
Solo starts at 1:34, the loop is about 4 seconds long, he plays for
about 30 seconds, then it fades out over 20 seconds.  (And then another
loop (or the same one?) fades back in.)

I've never noticed anything else that was clearly a loop on
the album, although there might be.

Sean Barrett

------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:42:39 -0300
From: "The Negative Eye" <juma@cyberia.net.ar>
To: Squidlyguy@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Hard disk recording/looping
Message-Id: <m0wpgct-000QDdC@server1.cyberia.net.ar>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

On 17 Jul 97 at 18:00, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.co wrote:

> Hey everyone - this question has to do with recording and looping onto a PC
> (I believe some of you loop in this fashion).  I'm hoping to get a new PC
> (200 MHz) pretty soon, and want to be able to multitrack my guitar "noises"
> onto the hard drive (I don't have an ADAT or separate hard disk recorder).
>  However, I'd like to be able to listen to the previously recorded tracks
> while laying down the next one.  I guess I'll need full duplex capability on
> whatever sound card that I get. 
Hello Brian,
I have a card called Sountrack 97 PCI. It can play 8 stereo waves
at the time. (Not from software, but from hardware. It's full duplex.
It has some nice delays, reberbs, chorus, and EQ to "shape" the output.
32 to 48 MIDI channels. etc...
It's a beauty.

Try : www.hoontech.co.kr   OR   st.cyso.net
If you are in the US, perhaps you wish to contact it's national distributor
Mr Peter Larson < petel@foothills.eznet.com >

> Any suggestions on what would be the ideal (and/or affordable!) hardware
This card costs "around nothing" considering it's capabilities (220 U$S +/ -)

>  Also, does any of the software offer looping capabilities?
Father of loops were the "Analog Sequencers" (I'd love to have one).
For MIDI, I found a software sequencer with "analog feel", SEQ 303. 
Try it here:
http://www.technotoys.com/seq303.htm

Also, Cakewalk 3 has a loop option but it cannot handle audio.

Hope It Helps
Good Luck,

Juan Manuel Aguirre
aka
->thE negativE eyE
-->negativE visioN
--->negativE imagE

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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:45:46 -0700
From: Rick Canton <rpc@cyberportal.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Age...?
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The Man Himself wrote:
> 
> >      Warren Sirota Wrote
> >
> >      >  is anyone on this list under 25?
> 
> 23 as of this past Thursday...
> 
> --Andre

30 as of the 16th....
Rick

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:32:11 -0300
From: "The Negative Eye" <juma@cyberia.net.ar>
To: ZeplinSoup@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Him/HerselF (Re: Recommended Listening)
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Hello Reeve and Loopers,

On 18 Jul 97 at 14:17, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.co wrote:

> Who Do You Recommend the aspiring Looper listen to?
(Beware of too much listening!)
If you want YOUR music to develop as you do,

Listen to yourself!

Find yourself in your OWN expression. Understand yourself!

"Second parts never were good!"

   ....If you understan me

Hope It Helps

Juan Manuel Aguirre
aka
->thE negativE eyE
-->negativE visioN
--->negativE imagE

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 04:33:53 +0200
From: Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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Subject: Am I Looping ? >I think so >
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Hello loopers

I was reading you for a while so thats my first attempt to describe the
completely other way's I'm trying to master with my guitar .

1- The accoustic looping: With just one accoustic guitar playing
fingerpicking drones, sequences, loops, played alway exactly the same
until they produce the caption of the sequence by the listener. He has
understood the motif. 
He is hypnotized  8-]
Then you modify : add or delete a note make playing location shifts
orxwawes, harmonize, bass line, 
accents on some three or four notes of the drone creates a melody etc...
all real guitar no effects .

Playing with the metronome gets you to the groove in allowing you to
control dragging or rushing certain beats you produce .
As you play your loop you think at the overall architecture (where am I
where do I go ) and at the next add or incident (finger problems or
glitches bring some beatiful creativity when you allow them to exist)

I normally play very very soft with a lot of amp power (and a taste of
compression) to play the most with the dynamic of the music; 
another interesting thing with this dynamic thing is by revelating all
the finger, fretting  noizes you are obliged to use them, control them
as an entire part of interest and variations. Suddenly you hear the
harmonic's of the hand locations  you begin to use it .....
I'm mostly improvising those pieces ( from 34 sec to 10'37" ) and I
sometimes get lost but the danger is creative 

2- The techno looping: for that I create midi events sequences that
trigger the fantastic Waldorf 4 pole filter 
mainly the vcf vca and pan section of an analog synth all parameter
accesible and modulated via midi (notes,velocity,controllers afertouch p
bend etc...)or input envellope follower, trigger.

Those midi events sequences shape, filter, pan, chop the music I'm
playing to it like a programable tremolo/autopan/wha/delay going groowy
wild in sync with the music  It can also produce very subtle  pan and
filter everchanging sweeps for more calm or dreamy music.
On stage I plan to use a sequencer that would, by program change, switch
from loop to loop as the music goes by (playing with a clic will be
unavoidable for the drummer )
BTW does anybody use or know a midifile or hardware sequencer that could
be completely slaved by remote control (midi footswitch)

Finally I think the pianist had to go keyboard then sequenced then
techno some of us guitar players specially loopers can go the same way
too 

Where is the record bin for     *The new gamelan ambiant experimental
hardcore sequenced guitar hero* 

Ciao 

Claude

Email:c.voit@vtx.ch

I'll send a copy to the waldorf forum wich is a little too much on the
beach those days .-)
user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de    http://www.Waldorf-gmbh.de/
Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com  
http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html

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