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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 119

Today's Topics:
  Re: Gear plug: Tascam 564             [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  RE: multi-loop playback               [ David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exa ]
  Administrative Help                   [ c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo) ]
  Live looping in Austin, TX            [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Web page gig listings?                [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.cal ]
  Old Echoplex                          [ Randy Jones <ranjones@texas.net> ]
  Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator    [ ZeplinSoup@aol.com ]
  Re: Web page gig listings?            [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Web page gig listings?            [ "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@prim ]
  Akai S20                              [ hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) ]
  Re: Akai S20                          [ Jim Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com> ]
  Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator    [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator    [ ZeplinSoup@aol.com ]
  Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator    [ fred marshall <fred@fredmarshall.co ]
  Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator    [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator    [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  some new stuff on the web             [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:54:57 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Gear plug: Tascam 564
Message-Id: <v01520d04affcdfd725a8@[200.254.32.110]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Sean said:
>Much as I've suggested that MIDI looping could do lots of
>things audio looping can't, I wish digital recorders weren't
>so tied to the "tape multitrack" metaphor.

Fully lagreed. Will be a question of time to overcome the tradition adn
elaborate a different model. I wonder what the next version of DECK "using
the library extensively" brings.

>There's no reason
>in software you can't mix arbitrary numbers of tracks together,
>not in real-time, but as far as I know, all of the computer-based
>"digital multitracks" still require you to manually bounce things
>down yourself, rather than automate the process.  But this is
>getting way off topic...

Not so much, because similar questions apply for multitrack looping or the
adaption of a HD sound editor for looping. We had some of this talk last
september under the great subject "helo and such" and maybe others.

Matthias

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:50:41 -0400
From: David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exapps.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: multi-loop playback
Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F1141E4@mail.exapps.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Nameless to the Goddess [SMTP:afn39111@afn.org]
	Sent:	Tuesday, July 22, 1997 7:19 PM
	Subject:	multi-loop playback

	My first question is, is there a looper that can output more
than one loop
	at a time?  It seems sort of limiting to have only one loop,
when two
	different length loops would sound so much more interesting.  It
seems sort
	of expensive to buy two devices.

	Jus wondering.

	Dear Jus Wondering --
	 
	Remember, if you start with a 4-bar phrase, 
		you can OVERDUB two 2-bar phrases
			then you can MULTIPLY all of this to create a
16-bar loop
				and then OVERDUB another two 8-bar
phrases
					and then MULTIPLY all this by 2
(to have a 32-bar loop)
						and then OVERDUB a
16-bar phrase (starting at the 8th-bar if you want...)

		The "length" of the loop is mostly "felt" if the music
points it out.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:20:03 -0400
From: c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Administrative Help
Message-Id: <199707241420.KAA22437@goomba.ibx.com>

I really hate to send this to the list, because I hate in when I see
these messages showing up in MY email, but.... I've tried every address
and command I know of, and I cannot unsub.... can someone help?

TIA

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 11:04:35 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Live looping in Austin, TX
Message-Id: <199707241602.JAA16792@apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Tiktok will be playing at Manor Road Coffeehouse on Saturday, July 26th, 
between 7 and 9 PM.  MRC is located on Manor Road, in Austin, Texas, on 
the right a block before East Side Cafe.  There's no cover.

Tiktok
(Travis Hartnett and Jon Matis)

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.calarts.edu>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Web page gig listings?
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970724111038.10707B-100000@shoko.calarts.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hey all --

There seems to be quite a bit of live looping going on with the members 
of the list.  Would somebody be willing to help set up and maintain a 
regular page on the main web site to announce upcoming and current 
performances?  It might be a great way to spread the word, as well as 
reminding the regulars here of what's going on.

Best,

--Andre

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:37:09 -0500
From: Randy Jones <ranjones@texas.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Old Echoplex
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970724223707.007ba6d0@texas.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello,

Old tape echoplex. Someone here may want this, ran across it tonight. It'll
be gone tomorrow.

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=ool1291

Cheers,
Randy Jones

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:56:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator 
Message-ID: <970725115532_-1608947394@emout03.mail.aol.com>

Hello dere boyz an gurlz...I have read about MAX,but I think it was in "music
and computers" mag...Is my recollection correct that it is a MAC program?If
so does anyone know if the current MAC EMULATORS for PCs support sound
Yet?The
 Peace Out
Reeve

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:34:46 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Web page gig listings?
Message-Id: <v01520d03affe93ad481e@[200.254.32.137]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Hey all --
>
>There seems to be quite a bit of live looping going on with the members
>of the list.  Would somebody be willing to help set up and maintain a
>regular page on the main web site to announce upcoming and current
>performances?  It might be a great way to spread the word, as well as
>reminding the regulars here of what's going on.
>
>Best,
>
>--Andre

Oh yes, I play tomorrow here in the Salvador, Brasil... :-)

Seriously, thats a brilliant idea!
It may turn into a history file, too.

Matthias

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:31:44 -0700
From: "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@primenet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Web page gig listings?
Message-Id: <199707251833.LAA27784@usr02.primenet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Andre proposed:

> There seems to be quite a bit of live looping going on with the members 
> of the list.  Would somebody be willing to help set up and maintain a 
> regular page on the main web site to announce upcoming and current 
> performances?  It might be a great way to spread the word, as well as 
> reminding the regulars here of what's going on.

I agree!  I suspect a lot of folks think someone else will keep track of
us...  Lord knows we don't want to end up on the wrong section of a
'musical family tree' constructed in 2106 or so, perhaps the kind that
would list one of us adjacent to the New Kids On The Block (or their 90s
version, the Spice Girls)!

It would also be a great way to keep track of the growth or non-growth of
'our kind of music', whatever that is this week.

* Stephen Goodman            It's the Loop Of The Week!  And it's free!
* EarthLight Productions      http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:04:59 -0400
From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Akai S20
Message-Id: <v01510100630bd66f2430@[130.101.6.139]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

Does anyone know of the looping cababilities of this phrase sampler?

I picked this up from another mailing:

"Akai has a new phrase sampler coming soon: The S20 16-bit Stereo Phrase
Sampler is designed to provide everything you need to sample audio, then slice
it, dice, it, and stitch it back together again. Up to 17 Mb of memory,
onboard disk drive, easy user interface, RCA outs for easy connection to DJ
mixers....."

I cant remember if this device has been discussed here before.

Later,

Hayden Porter
hporter@uakron.edu

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 12:02:49 -0700
From: Jim Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Akai S20
Message-ID: <33DA49D8.EB5C5DBF@interaccess.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I just read a  review in Sound on Sound, looks like it would work well
for looping, one push to
set record mode, another to select the "bank" to record into and to
trigger recording, then
another push to stop recoding & start looping.  That does require a free
hand, but you get
16 banks to store samples/loops in  & it has reversing & a beat matching
facility.  No
layering like an echoplex though, its designed mostly for DJ's.

There was also a review in the June issue about the Notron hardware
sequencer, which
looked really wild, sort of an apeggiator on steriods.

Jim

Hayden Porter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know of the looping cababilities of this phrase sampler?
>
> I picked this up from another mailing:
>
> "Akai has a new phrase sampler coming soon: The S20 16-bit Stereo
> Phrase
> Sampler is designed to provide everything you need to sample audio,
> then slice
> it, dice, it, and stitch it back together again. Up to 17 Mb of
> memory,
> onboard disk drive, easy user interface, RCA outs for easy connection
> to DJ
> mixers....."
>
> I cant remember if this device has been discussed here before.
>
> Later,
>
> Hayden Porter
> hporter@uakron.edu

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 12:03:30 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator
Message-Id: <v03102803affff84ced03@[207.171.197.18]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 11:56 AM -0400 7/25/97, ZeplinSoup@aol.com wrote:
>Hello dere boyz an gurlz...I have read about MAX,but I think it was in "music
>and computers" mag...Is my recollection correct that it is a MAC program?If
>so does anyone know if the current MAC EMULATORS for PCs support sound
>Yet?The
> Peace Out
>Reeve

Max is a mac program, from Opcode. I have no idea if it works on a mac
emulator. It isn't really audio, though. It allows you to easily write
programs for controlling midi data. (althought there are some max objects
for audio, quicktime, etc.)

Since it is very real-time oriented, with 1ms resolution, it probably does
a lot of low level stuff that an emulator might not be able to handle. I
don't know for sure. You definitely don't want anything else running on the
computer that might interfere with max's ability to keep it's timing
accurate. It would probably be better to buy an old 68040 mac for a couple
hundred $ and use it just for max. I knew one guy with an old MacSE that
just served the purpose of generating a master midi clock with max.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:06:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator
Message-ID: <970726170611_-55570937@emout04.mail.aol.com>

Is max that cool?enough to warrant the Mac(better computer,but when it comes
to marketing Apple made the biggest mistak in Marketing History when It did
not allow clones...oh well..
Reeve

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:50:44 -0800
From: fred marshall <fred@fredmarshall.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator
Message-ID: <33DA7F43.7BC2@fredmarshall.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

ZeplinSoup@AOL.COM wrote:
> 
> Is max that cool?enough to warrant the Mac(better computer,but when it comes
> to marketing Apple made the biggest mistak in Marketing History when It did
> not allow clones...oh well..
> Reeve

- yup.

- the Mac SE-30* (w/8megs ram, b/w, probably w/printer incl) is
available all over town for about $200, probably less. This was about a
$3k machine just a few years ago - however that was B.C. (before clones)
- maybe the clones, though already inexpensive, will lose their value
more gracefully.

* when run w/out dragging colors along for the ride, you probably won't
even grow too many grey hairs during re-draws . . .

mmmmmmm

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:24:31 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator
Message-Id: <v01510100b000432b8155@[128.193.5.40]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 5:06 PM 7/26/97, ZeplinSoup@aol.com wrote:
>Is max that cool?enough to warrant the Mac(better computer,but when it comes
>to marketing Apple made the biggest mistak in Marketing History when It did
>not allow clones...oh well..
>Reeve

MAX is one of the better reasons to own a mac, IMHO, I mean, I'm a total
mac bigot, but to be honest, MAX is just about the only thing that I use
regularly that doesn't have a windows equivalent. And it will run great on
a lesser mac, I have it running on a IIsi w/5 megs of RAM, runs great.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:20:27 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MAX/ MIDI Looping+Mac Emulator
Message-Id: <v03102802b000435690d0@[207.171.197.18]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 5:06 PM -0400 7/26/97, ZeplinSoup@aol.com wrote:
>Is max that cool?enough to warrant the Mac(better computer,but when it comes
>to marketing Apple made the biggest mistak in Marketing History when It did
>not allow clones...oh well..
>Reeve

I think it's that cool. You don't need an amazingly powerful machine to run
it. A used centris 650 or something would be fine and probably cost a lot
less than Max.

In keeping with the recycled-computer-as-dedicated-music-tool theme, I've
also heard of people buying old nubus based macs (like the IIci) and
getting a lexicon nuverb card for it. Apparently much cheaper than getting
a high end lex reverb and almost as good.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:30:29 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: some new stuff on the web
Message-Id: <v03102800b001919e0ef3@[207.171.196.249]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hey loop surfers-

I just added some new stuff to the web site.

Michael Peters has been steadily improving upon the Looper profile pages,
and it's looking great. It's now in a more organized format with a cross
referencing to everyone's band names. There's a few new names in there as
well. Thanks for your help, Michael!  see it here:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/profiles/Profiles.html


Ed Drake sent me a new version of the JamMan page quite a while ago, that's
finally up. It includes a compilation of discussions about the rumored
JamDuder upgrade. Thanks, Ed! Jam on here:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/jamman/jamman.html


Also, even longer ago Travis Hartnett scanned the entire JamMan manual for
us. That is now available on the web site. Thanks Trav! Light a candle,
make some tea, sit back and enjoy the subtle details in the jammanual:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/jamman/jammanual/jamman_manual.html


And we've got more goodies coming soon, I hope! A search engine should be
appearing soon, as well as other little bits and pieces here and there. No
word from the big boys yet on whether we can get permission to post the
reviews of our favorite loop byproducts that have appeared in major mags,
but my fingers are crossed. they're lookin into it.....

And as always, Looper's Delight needs your help! The site exists through
the voluntary efforts of the loop community. The more people working on it,
the better it gets. Contributions are always welcome! Many areas of the web
site are quite barren, just waiting for an enthused soul to sponser them.
If you've got a good idea, or see an idea talked about on the list, jump
right in and take it on. We'll all appreciate it!

thanks,

kim

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