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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 139

Today's Topics:
  Re: help wanted -- technique tips, p  [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Can't                                 [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  Re: help wanted -- technique tips, p  [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Jack West CD                          [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: help wanted -- technique tips, p  [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]
  Re: help wanted -- technique tips, p  [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.cal ]
  WOAH!                                 [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.cal ]
  Re: WOAH!                             [ Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> ]
  MIDI drum set                         [ "alice crash" <alicecrsh@hotmail.co ]
  RE: MIDI drum set                     [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: MIDI drum set                     [ Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley. ]
  MIDI drums                            [ "alice crash" <alicecrsh@hotmail.co ]
  Re: JamMan memory upgrade $65         [ Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net> ]
  Re: MIDI drum set                     [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  MIDI drums                            [ "alice crash" <alicecrsh@hotmail.co ]
  Re: MIDI drum set                     [ John Pollock <johnpollock@delphi.co ]
  Apologies, thanks, etc.               [ gorton@umich.edu (Russell Gorton) ]
  Additional JamMan memory upgrades $6  [ Len Seligman <seligman@mitre.org> ]
  Re: Apologies, thanks, etc.           [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Jon Durant's new CD--checkitout       [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Re: Ambient effects -- something wil  [ "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.c ]
  The grand daddy of all flame wars     [ "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.c ]

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:06:11 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: help wanted -- technique tips, please
Message-Id: <v01520d0ab018fe8db12c@[200.254.32.145]>
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Russell Gorton has an interesting problem:

>I would like to sync up a repeating sampled riff (from Rhodes or
>telewanker), captured with an Echoplex DP, with the drummer.
>
>So far, I've tried playing the riff, letting it loop on a monitor near the
>drum kit, and seeing if he can follow along.  Things quickly get too loud
>and we drift.
>
>Then I tried using a momentary-switch pedal into the Beat sync jack, using
>Mute-Multiply to "trigger" the loop start with the pedal.  Let drummer work
>pedal.  This works, kinda, but there is ALWAYS a little delay between the
>pedal kick and the start of the loop.  We've tried many ways to anticipate
>this delay, record the loop differently, use a different make of pedal,
>etc.  Very frustrating.

Why dont you try to use his bass drum for syncing? Beat Sync accepts a
sound signal as a trigger, too. This way you dont just start together but
keep together afterwards.

Could it be that your pedal only triggers when let go (opening instead of
closing type) ?

Your problem maybe is not exactly a technical one. The Loop starts with
maximum 3 msec of delay after the trigger comes in, so this should not be
audible.
A possible problem is, how the (technical) loop start point is related to
the recorded riff. In other words, if you are used to press Record slighty
before the beat one for starting *and* stoping, you get a perfect loop as
long as you play alone, but the internal start point is registered somewhat
early. When the drummer hits the pedal, the loop starts at that point, not
where you played beat one.
You may check it by comparing the flash of the green dot to your sound, or
by listening to a single loop (MUTE-INSERT) to see whether your riff really
starts immediatly.

I see 4 ways move your "one beat" to the loop start point:

- correct after the recording with the StartPoint parameter (not reasonable
on stage)

- use trigger recording (parameter Threshold)

- train to hit the Record key not only in the correct rythm, but also
exactly at the one beat.

- let the drummer start and record the guitar riff synced to his trigger
pulse (set parameter Sync to "In" and press Record clearly before starting
to play). This is probably the most exact way, but maybe not how you want
to start your song.


Hope this helps. Please comuncate what you discover, I suppose its an
interesting case for many users.

Matthias


>BTW: Travis Hartnett: you are obviously some guitar choade from Texas, the
>state of sixty million guys who play Strat in crappy blues bar bands.  ...
>Please remain in Texas...

Please do not say such things on the list, its too personal and ofending.

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:06:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: w@waynesworld.ucsd.edu
Subject: Can't 
Message-Id: <199708141906.MAA29570@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
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> --Russell Gorton
> 
> BTW: Travis Hartnett: you are obviously some guitar choade from Texas, the
> state of sixty million guys who play Strat in crappy blues bar bands.  You
> are in no position to make statements about the validity of keyboards as a
> solo instrument, in rock or any other "style".  Just because Joe Bob
> Billy's Stevie Ray Tribute Band (appearing live at the Spicy Iguana)
> doesn't have some bespectacled wonk behind a stack of keyboard gear and
> MIDI rack pieces, doesn't mean that guitars are just automatically WAY
> better as solo instruments, etc.  Please remain in Texas, land of
> endlessly-recycled electric blues played by sneering white guys.  We're all
> happier that way.

Now now... I know Travis made some pretty provocative statements, but
please, let's not sink to this level.

Let's follow Kim's wishes for us to RESPECT each other.

BTW, on the topic of Ambient Effects, the review of the tc electronics 
G-Force appears in the latest Digital Guitar Digest.

Cheers,
Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 14:11:57 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: help wanted -- technique tips, please
Message-Id: <199708141909.MAA09544@apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

>>The question is: without MIDI clicks, how can a loop be synced into music
>>with live drums?  I'm looking for new APPROACHES to this problem
>>here...anyone?

Even drummer who are used to playing with some sort of click track can 
have problems hearing a loop clearly enough in a performance situation.  
We've found it helpful for the drummer to heavily eq the loop to insure 
that some sonic reference point comes through loud and clear.  If you 
were to listen to the monitor by itself, after this eq, it usually sounds 
undesirable, but for practical sync purposes it works pretty well.  It's 
amazing what a parametric eq can do when deployed in the mid-range 
frequencies.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:10:14 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Jack West CD
Message-Id: <v01520d0bb01907aed664@[200.254.32.145]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

oh, I forgot to say that Jacks CD has a nice cover with a fine spiral on
it. It particularely moved me, because on my "Musica AguArianA para
pensar-se" I used a spiral, too and there had been some talk amongst
loopers about spirals before. Just his spiral has pointers that show
inward, whereas I understood my spiral to go outward...

too philosophical?
Matthias

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:30:08 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: help wanted -- technique tips, please
Message-Id: <199708141932.MAA06039@gw1.bi-tech.com>
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> From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org>
> We don't specifically use a click, I program a simple percussion part
that
> fits into the material, and after a few weeks practice everything came
> together quite well. It's a great way to expand the sound without adding
> more people to the band...

Great suggestion.   That way if the "click" works it's way into the house
mix it adds something musical instead of just annoying stick clicks.  It's
amazing how a simple programmed percussion part can add a lot of character
and depth to a song.

Matt

P.S.  I should mention that in my old band I used a lot of delay to
supplement my rhythm guitar work and as long as the drummer could hear my
guitar clearly he was able to lock onto the tempo.  As with Dave's drummer,
it helped that he had excellent meter.  (I mention this because playing
with a fixed delay time is similar to playing with a looped phrase --
although you have a little more room for error.)

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.calarts.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: help wanted -- technique tips, please
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970814140930.6654A-100000@shoko.calarts.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Russell Gorton wrote:

> I would like to sync up a repeating sampled riff (from Rhodes or
> telewanker), captured with an Echoplex DP, with the drummer.
> The question is: without MIDI clicks, how can a loop be synced into music
> with live drums?  I'm looking for new APPROACHES to this problem
> here...anyone?

I seem to remember Matthias saying that the BeatSync jack in the back of
the Echoplex could generate a pulse which could be piped out of the jack
into a mixer, etc.  You could run that into a mixer for the drummer. 

You could also try slaving a drum machine to the Echoplex, so that the 
Echoplex actually controls the tempo.  Depending on how the 8ths/Beat 
control is set up, you could have the drummer play in a number of 
different ways.

I know this still pretty much winds up as a MIDI click type of option, 
but it seems to me to be the best way around it.  

You could also try deliberately constructing highly rhythmic loops, built
off of short-duration cycles with highly percussive content, so that the
loops themselves are easier to hear as rhythmic elements.  Still, it seem
to me that if you're trying to get anyone (especially a drummer) to sync
up to an electronically looped source, some sort of click is really the
only way to go.  Unless you've got the luxury of a consistently fine-tuned
monitor mix and consistently easy-to-follow loops, it's probably going to
be a perpetually uphill battle otherwise. 

There's an article on Zac Alford (current drummer for David Bowie in his
jungle phase) in the current issue of _Modern Drummer_ magazine, which
deals in great depth about the technicalities of playing to loops and
sequences in a live performance context. 

--Andre

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.calarts.edu>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: WOAH!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970814141717.6654B-100000@shoko.calarts.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Is there something in the air around here?  Are the planets aligned in a 
particularly nefarious way?  

There's been more outright flaming and off-topic posting on this list over
the last three or four days than in the entire one-year history of the
list *combined*.  Please, people, try to be respectful of one another.  
This list has always struck me as being significantly better-behaved than 
a lot of others, and I'd hate to see it degenerate into a morass of 
unrelated hostility.  

Like the phrase says: "Mean people SUCK!"   So please don't. 

--Andre

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:44:23 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: WOAH!
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970814214423.006c41b0@pop.chromatic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 02:23 PM 8/14/97 -0700, The Man Himself wrote:
>There's been more outright flaming and off-topic posting on this list over
>the last three or four days than in the entire one-year history of the
>list *combined*.  Please, people, try to be respectful of one another.  
>This list has always struck me as being significantly better-behaved than 
>a lot of others, and I'd hate to see it degenerate into a morass of 
>unrelated hostility.  
>
>Like the phrase says: "Mean people SUCK!"   So please don't. 


Mean people also cause mass unsubscriptions to the list. A whole bunch of
people left over the past few days. Sadly, at least one of them is a dj.
Probably he could have answered some questions that people have, had he been
asked politely rather than being challenged to defend his existence. 

kim
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:08:31 PDT
From: "alice crash" <alicecrsh@hotmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: MIDI drum set
Message-ID: <19970814230831.12988.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

im playing drums with a homemade drum set. the frame is made of pvc pipe 
and the heads are plexiglass. ive glued pieso buzzers directly to the 
bottom side of the plastic heads. these i run through the ext. trigger 
system of an alesis d4. the triggers work great and im happy with the 
sounds. the only problem im having is the cracking of heads. has anyone 
ever used a system like this and if so are there any suggestions on the 
head problem? i would like to stay away from conventional triggers and 
heads. i would also like to save as much money as possible.. thank you
alice

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:17:21 -0400
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: MIDI drum set
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_WV1-970814231721Z-7397@exchange_wv1.ATK.COM>

Plexiglas will split with impact.  I put
a piece on a door to keep a dog from
chewing. She head butted the Plexiglas
and shattered it.

What about the plastic buckets that street drummers
use?

>----------
>From: 	alice crash
>Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Sent: 	Thursday, August 14, 1997 7:08 PM
>To: 	John_Ott@ATK.COM
>Subject: 	MIDI drum set
>
>im playing drums with a homemade drum set. the frame is made of pvc pipe 
>and the heads are plexiglass. ive glued pieso buzzers directly to the 
>bottom side of the plastic heads. these i run through the ext. trigger 
>system of an alesis d4. the triggers work great and im happy with the 
>sounds. the only problem im having is the cracking of heads. has anyone 
>ever used a system like this and if so are there any suggestions on the 
>head problem? i would like to stay away from conventional triggers and 
>heads. i would also like to save as much money as possible.. thank you
>alice
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:00:28 -0700
From: Joe Cavaleri <cavaleri@simi-valley.ate.slb.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MIDI drum set
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970815000028.0069f178@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

        You might try to affix some sort of rubber or rubber-like substance
to the plex. (automotive gasket?) This should also relieve stress on you wrists.

                
                                joe



At 04:08 PM 8/14/97 PDT, you wrote:
>im playing drums with a homemade drum set. the frame is made of pvc pipe 
>and the heads are plexiglass. ive glued pieso buzzers directly to the 
>bottom side of the plastic heads. these i run through the ext. trigger 
>system of an alesis d4. the triggers work great and im happy with the 
>sounds. the only problem im having is the cracking of heads. has anyone 
>ever used a system like this and if so are there any suggestions on the 
>head problem? i would like to stay away from conventional triggers and 
>heads. i would also like to save as much money as possible.. thank you
>alice
>
>______________________________________________________
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>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:32:16 PDT
From: "alice crash" <alicecrsh@hotmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: MIDI drums
Message-ID: <19970815003216.11550.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Thanks for the input on the midi drums. i failed to mention that i have 
1/8 inch rubber gasket material on the heads of the drums. the reason i 
havent used a plastic bucket situation is that im trying to minimize the 
acoustic sound involved. im looking for a low noise preferably easy to 
move head. the set is desined to break down for transportation. thanks 
again.
alice

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:34:32 +0100
From: Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: JamMan memory upgrade $65
Message-Id: <v03007800b018f211794a@[1.1.1.9]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Still have it?  I'm interested.  Le me know if you do.

- Chris



>I have an extra set of Motorola memory ICs for the JamMan which upgrade it
>from 8 to 32 seconds of looping. I installed a set without any problem,
>following the instructions in the JamMan manual.
>
>Lexicon charges around $175 a set, but I found these at a chip graveyard;
>the only hitch was I had to buy a bunch of chips.
>
>I only have one set left, however, if multiple people respond and are
>interested, I could make another buy.
>
>Please respond directly to me and not to the whole list.
>
>Thanks and happy looping,
>Len Seligman

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:29:09 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MIDI drum set
Message-Id: <v01520d03b018fbe6a347@[205.177.25.43]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Ok guys....it's not looping but it is gear related. You should investigate
the work of a man from New Zealand named Philip Dadson. He has a group with
a couple/three CD's out. The group is called From Scratch. I attented a
rhythm workshop with him years ago.

>From Scratch is a group/concept derived from Cornelius Cardew's Scratch
Orchestra in England. ( Cardew was a heavy influence on Brian Eno, whom if
we know our loop history showed Robert Fripp the tape loop system with two
revoxes.And yes please don't flame me, I know that Terry Riley also
discovered this. Not the first time in history that two people continents
apart discovered similar concepts......hmmmm how many people cooked with
fire, etc....)

Anyhow From Scratch makes there own instruments. Dadson uses PVC pipes.
They are tuned and mounted in rows, along with other percussive sources. He
has no heads on them. He uses a " paddle" (very similar in appearance to a
ping pong paddle) to strike the tubes. I'm not sure where you might mount
your MIDI trigger, but this may be worth investigating.

Dadson was written up many years ago in a wonderful journal called The
Journal of Experimental Musical Instruments. They acheived some fame this
year with the publication of a book and CD combo. I've subscribed for years
after the University of Maryland Music Library stopped there subscription.
They also have a web site. Good luck.

Patrick


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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:49:54 PDT
From: "alice crash" <alicecrsh@hotmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: MIDI drums
Message-Id: <199708150449.VAA04604@f37.hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Thanks again for the input on the drum set. i found alot of the 
suggestions usefull. i have another question involving the alesis d4.
with the drum set were using we have the ability to set up a different  
"set" for each song, with some overlapping. is there a way to set the  
gain, v-curve, crosstalk, ect for each song? we are using midi 
sequencers that already load the wave samples for individual songs.
the "sets we have programed seem to need variablity in each head. am i 
doing something wrong? is there some sort of dump i can generate for 
each song?
alice

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:09:22 -0500
From: John Pollock <johnpollock@delphi.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MIDI drum set
Message-id: <33F41CC2.4C1C@delphi.com>
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Patrick Smith wrote, in part:
> 
> Ok guys....it's not looping but it is gear related. You should investigate
> the work of a man from New Zealand named Philip Dadson.

[interesting stuff snipped, regretfully]

> Anyhow From Scratch makes there own instruments. Dadson uses PVC pipes.
> They are tuned and mounted in rows, along with other percussive sources. He
> has no heads on them. He uses a " paddle" (very similar in appearance to a
> ping pong paddle) to strike the tubes. I'm not sure where you might mount
> your MIDI trigger, but this may be worth investigating.
> 
> Dadson was written up many years ago in a wonderful journal called The
> Journal of Experimental Musical Instruments.  [snip]
> They also have a web site. Good luck.

I've been toying with the idea of PVC pipe for instruments myself, so
this really tickled me.  I went looking for the Web site, and didn't
find it (got the URL handy?).  What I did find tickled me just as much--
the Web site for the I-Cube system.  I quote the introductory blurb:

"Expand your horizons with the I-Cube, the ultimate Midi controller for
musicians, DJs, dancers and interactive artists. The I-Cube lets you
control your Midi set-up using almost any surface, space or movement.
Capture body heat, distance, illumination, even G-Force and have that
signal translated into Midi!"

There's a lotta detail, and prices seem  reasonable (i.e., a _lot_ less
than I would have expected, though still beyond my means).  Site is at
http://www.infusionsystems.com/icube.htm
-- 
John Pollock
mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com
http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech)

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:26:58 -0400
From: gorton@umich.edu (Russell Gorton)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Apologies, thanks, etc.
Message-Id: <v01530500b01a0e76f19c@[198.110.68.216]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I would like to apologize for my petulant provocation of Texas guitar
subculture.  No excuse, really.

It is unfortunate that lists go through "flurry" phases like that where a
lot of hot air is blown around to no avail.  I, too, find it rather
difficult to explain ANY of my musical philosophy and feeling via ASCII
text.  All we can do is keep trying to share and learn and grow and play
nice.  Yes, personal irritants will surface in postings....this isn't an
ideal way to confer...would be MUCH more fun and enjoyable to have a
"loopers' summit" and hang out for a day in a space where we could show
each other our music, not just words.

THANKS as well for the tips on how to sync up loops with a live drummer.  I
really appreciate the variety of responses to my question...certainly the
kind of thing that makes this list WORK.  BTW, my next bet is headphones,
big over-the-ear jobbers, with the loop pounding away in the drummer's
ears.  He'll catch on.

Kim, listmom, wrote:
>
>Mean people also cause mass unsubscriptions to the list. A whole bunch of
>people left over the past few days. Sadly, at least one of them is a dj.
>Probably he could have answered some questions that people have, had he been
>asked politely rather than being challenged to defend his existence.
>

That was probably what provoked me in the first place...the sense that the
GuitarMajority was on some sort of cleansing mission, to purge the list of
non-believers.  Sure, I'll admit that EVH's Eruption changed the way many
view the electric guitar.  But, partly as a result of that, electric rock
guitar is now essentially a commodity item in the music world.  Thankfully,
there are guys out there (many of them on this list) trying to push the
envelope.

--Russell Gorton

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:51:54 -0400
From: Len Seligman <seligman@mitre.org>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Additional JamMan memory upgrades $65
Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970815115154.00716654@dharma.mitre.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

No one should have to suffer with only 8 seconds of loop time anymore!

Since a few people responded, I decided to go ahead and buy some more. I
should receive them late next week. So, if anybody else wants JamMan
memory, please let me know and send along your surface mail address.
(Please respond directly to me at seligman@mitre.org and not to the whole
Loopers-Delight list. Thanks.)

For those wanting technical details, these come in sets of four 1M x 4 bit
Motorola ZIP ICs, part number MCM54400AZ (70 nanoseconds). 

Happy looping,
Len Seligman

>>I have an extra set of Motorola memory ICs for the JamMan which upgrade it
>>from 8 to 32 seconds of looping. I installed a set without any problem,
>>following the instructions in the JamMan manual.
>>
>>Lexicon charges around $175 a set, but I found these at a chip graveyard;
>>the only hitch was I had to buy a bunch of chips.
>>
>>I only have one set left, however, if multiple people respond and are
>>interested, I could make another buy.
>>
>>Please respond directly to me and not to the whole list.
>>
>>Len Seligman
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 11:50:28 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Apologies, thanks, etc.
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>THANKS as well for the tips on how to sync up loops with a live drummer.  I
>really appreciate the variety of responses to my question...certainly the
>kind of thing that makes this list WORK.  BTW, my next bet is headphones,
>big over-the-ear jobbers, with the loop pounding away in the drummer's
>ears.  He'll catch on.

There's a thing called Drumphones, which look similiar to shooter's 
muffs, in that they seal out almost all noise from the outside.  
Drumphones have headphone speakers mounted inside, so that you can get a 
headphone mix with very little bleed from the outside.  I use them in the 
studio so that I can stand in front of a loud amp without having to crank 
the headphones so loud that they distort, make me deaf, or blow.  I've 
seen them advertised in Modern Drummer.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 11:57:25 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Jon Durant's new CD--checkitout
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I bought the new CD by Jon Durant and I was very impressed.  A great 
example of looping incorporated with live instruments.  Gorgeous 
textures, grooves, tones and playing all around.  I'd recommend it to 
anyone.

Travis

P.S. Had to look in Pop, New Age, and Jazz to find it.  I think it was 
finally in New Age, but I found the Robbie Aceto (also quite good) in 
Pop.  Tower Records is a strange store.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:59:55 -0500
From: "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Ambient effects -- something wild and crazy, please!
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David Kirkdorffer wrote:
> I don't need the standards: chorus, flange, delay, pitch-shift.  I'm
> looking for DRASTIC effects rendering a guitar very UN-guitar-like.  I
> have a Vortex already -- now I quest for something more wild.

Dave,
  Look into the Roland GR30 guitar synth. You get completely
unguitar-like sounds. It also has a programmable apeggio feature with
many different modes. You can set it up so a short loop or segment plays
when triggered by a note. It goes well beyond the basic idea of an
arpeggio.

Motley

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 04:17:21 -0500
From: "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: The grand daddy of all flame wars
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It's nice to be noticed. :-} I only check my messages once or twice a
week, and when I logged on to find 142 new posts I thought there was a
server problem or maybe I'd been discovered by the antichrist of net
marketing. I was relieved to find it was only people expressing their
opinions and feelings.
  The ensuing flood contained some bile but also a little humor and I
thought, now this is only one skinny man's opinion, some of the most
interesting posts in awhile. My head was stretched. Thanks to all.
  Now... don't you agree that rap music is an oxymoron?

I remain....well...uh..I remain Motley

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