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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 140

Today's Topics:
  Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #13  [ Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.co ]
  JamMan memory problems                [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  new vortex stuff on the web           [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  LOOPING PHILOSOPHY - the final word!  [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pyc ]
  Used Vortex price                     [ Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT> ]
  Re: Used Vortex price                 [ PainPete@aol.com ]
  will trade                            [ "Bruce Gerow" <bgerow@ny.tds.net> ]
  boomerang                             [ studio seventeen productions <ambie ]
  new instruments                       [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: new instruments                   [ Randy Jones <ranjones@texas.net> ]
  Re: Additional JamMan memory upgrade  [ "Siobhan Canty" <siocanty@cfpa.org> ]
  Eventide Harmonizer                   [ KRosser414@aol.com ]
  RE: Used Vortex price                 [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Live band use of loopings             [ Frank Gerace <seahorse@user1.channe ]
  JamMan ROM upgrades?                  [ John Neilson <jneil@echonyc.com> ]
  Re: Eventide Harmonizer               [ Dan Howarth <howarth@U.Arizona.EDU> ]
  Re: Used Vortex price                 [ John Pollock <johnpollock@delphi.co ]

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:53:14 -0700
From: Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #138
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I'd appreciate any more posts on getting other band members,
particularly drummers, to sync up with a loop. Personally, I've found it
to be so difficult as to be not worth trying in a conventional band
(i.e., one where looping isn't a part of the band's core "mission"). The
drummer always complains that the freaking loop isn't perfectly in sync
- that rarely is a problem for me when I'm playing alone. They're
usually close enough, but the drummers aren't used to taking the time
from an external source.

Anyway, I've given up on it and only loop solo. I'd be interested in
hearing more of other people's experiences.

--
Yours truly,
Warren Sirota
musician, programmer, writer
http://wsdesigns.com/wsirota

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:05:00 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: JamMan memory problems
Message-Id: <v01510101b01c14ddd724@[128.193.5.40]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi, I'm turning to the list to help solve a problem I'm having with the
JamNonGenderSpecificBeing.

A while ago, I bought a set of ZIP IC's from VisionSoft, recommended by
somebody on the list as a source for chips. I didn't get around to
installing the chips until about 2 weeks ago, and I didn't really check the
unit out after installing the chips. A few days later, when I finally had a
chance to thoroughly test the unit out, I noticed that the output was
really distorted, in fact it sounds to me like it's been downsampled to 8
bits. So today I finally swapped the old chips back in, and it sounds fine
again.

So I'm wondering whether I got a set of defective chips or if I just got
the wrong kind of chips. When I called VisionSoft, I read off a couple of
the part numbers from the JamManual, and the guy at VS asked me what kind
of Amiga I was using. I told him it was for a digital delay, and he checked
the numbers, and said he had the right kind of chips, I ordered 4 (about
$47 including shipping). Today, I noticed that the old 8 second chips have
a missing pin on one side in the middle, while the 32 second chips have all
the pins. Anyway, I'm going to call VisionSoft again on monday, but I'm
wondering if someone could give me info on this beforehand. Thanks in
advance.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:14:34 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: new vortex stuff on the web
Message-Id: <v03102800b01c1baa6949@[207.171.196.8]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I just added a bunch of vortex stuff to the Looper's Delight web site. The
user's manual, the formerly rare application notes, and some links to other
vortex spots. Mostly courtesy Stew Benedict and Todd Madson. Thanks for the
work guys!

enjoy:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html


Also, there's now a page with info on the mailing list, with a FAQ.
Hopefully this will be a big help for getting people who come to the web
site onto the mailing list. It used to be hard to figure out that there was
a mailing list, so a lot of interesting folk never knew. Sooner or later
I'll get links on all the pages to the mailing list page:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html


kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:43:53 +0100
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: LOOPING PHILOSOPHY - the final word!
Message-Id: <8718.199708171243@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

OK, I know this thread's winding down but I've been away for a couple of
days, and wanted to set the record straight, especially on a couple of
points.  To make this post relevant to the group aim, the word LOOPER will
appear in capital letters.

Dave:
>On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD wrote:
>> Yes, but a guitarst on his own is pretty imited.  There aren't many solo
>> electric guitar peices worth listening to.  A DJ can tale the sounds of an
>> orchestra, a funk band and NY art-scronk and come up with something
>> huge-sounding.  People playing musical instruments will always need to use
>> other players to fill out the sound - drummers, bassists, thumb-pianists...
>> which is almost what the DJ is doing.
>I don't think the point of playing with other musicians is to fill out
>MY sound.  Although I'm sure it wasn't your intent, it does come close
>to another branch of guitar arrogance... the idea that the "rhythm
>section" is there to provide a beat for the guitarist to jack off
>over. 

No, indeed, that wasn't my intention.  All I was saying is that musicians
play together to create a rich, complex sound.  A DJ produces sounds with
incredibly rich sources as a basic material.  Of course, people playing
guitars/keyboards/thumb-pianos  can use LOOPERS to create those richer
textures.

> Think about the amazing amount of attention that guitarists pay to 
> solos--why is that?  In pop music, a solo may only occupy 10% of a song.  
> 90% of the time a guitarist is playing rhythm--why so much energy spent 
> on considering solos?  
 
Reason (1) - unless you're a creative genius with an eye for texture (think
Torn, Summers, or Anyone Here), most rhythm is there to provide a tonal
setting to the singer.  Most of the time the guitarist can bang away on
chords or do something really intricate - but the attention is supposed to
be on the singer, so most don't make the effort.  During the solo, the
audience focuses on YOU and you have the entire responsibility to carry the
song.  Reason (2) ME!  ME!  LOOK AT ME!!!

Everyone said:
>At 08:20 PM 8/12/97 +0100, Michael Hughes wrote:
>> Why is it that in rock music, there's an acute shortage of "keyboard 
>> heroes", in the same sense that say, Jeff Beck is a guitar hero?  

I DID NOT SAY THAT!! i think

>Kim:
>> because I'd hate to see the rock band with John Tesh in it. 
Dan:
>whilst tesh and company traded jump-ropes, exercise bikes, and massages in
>order to "get psyched for the show". tesh himself cranked up a few enya
>discs and even enigma (he started up tubular bells II and
>then decided after about five seconds that it wasn't good enough).

TBII not good enough?  I know not who John Tesh is, but the man's a turnip!
 BTW Mike Oldfield's music is viertual LOOPage from 1973-on... all playeed
by him, layered, repetetive patterns.  It's also gorgeous.

Dave again:
>  Electric guitars just gave us fusion.

No, that was an electric trumpeter... Can you imagine Miles with a LOOPER? 
Whooo!!!

>Here's an experiment for all of you who think the guitar is such a
>be-all solo intrument... try tuning to EADGCF for a few weeks.
>Straight fourths across the fretboard.  Stick with
>it, and you'll soon learn the harmonic advantages of this tuning,
>advantages the much-maligned keyboardists have always enjoyed.

He's not wrong.  I've been using this for 4 years.  

Someone:
>> > There's no "Eruption", that I know of, in the keyboard world--a recorded
>> > moment which changed the way the instrument, and the role of the
>> > instrument would be viewed for the next decade.  

OK let's put it this way - what peice of music made you say "I wanna
keyboard?" For that matter, what made you say "I wanna LOOPER?"  For me,
Fripp's "Easter Sunday" flexidisk in GP.

>I too hope a keyboardist will speak up because none of the keyboard players
>I have met were particularly interested in soloing in a pop context.

I've met Rick Wakeman.  Listen to a RW solo album - especially a more
recent one - to hear psycho rock keyboard soloing.  Try and hear "Suicide
Shuffle" - so called because the intention was to drive his drummer to
suicide by changing time sig. every bar....

Randy:
>Wow!
>Whats happening? 
>Can we stop all this opinion B.S.  
>Who cares what instrument you play/like.
>Who cares who your favorite artists are.
>Who cares which albums you buy.
>Who cares what you think is/isn't music.
>Who cares what you think about sampler, syths, djs, music theory, music
>philosophy or someones elses opinion on the above.

Bloody hell!  Could someone set that to music???    :)

Stephen:
>> Yes, but a guitarst on his own is pretty imited.
>But I had to rebut that comment at least. 

Ah, but is a solo performer with a LOOPER a solo performer?  Debate.

Paolo responded to someone:
>> In non-fusion Jazz, the guitarist is usually denied the option of 
>> distortion, the primary method of imparting sustain upon a sustain-poor 
>I don't know how things are in Austin but from what I've seen the
>guitarist himself chooses not to use distortion; he is not barred from
>using it by the other band members.

Perhaps it's me, but as soon as a guitarist uses any significant amount of
distortion (beyond, say, some of Burrell's live stuff I've heard) it gets
called fusion.

Dave:
>Besides, maybe I'm just funny this way, but I *listen* to
>musicians, and could generally give a fuck about how they look when
>playing...

We're all funny 'round here... after all, how many musicians have LOOPERS?

John:
> but my Casio VZs are capable of both very strange and very expressive sounds.
Heh, I had a VZ1 for years...

Michael

PS Van Halen was never big in Britain BTW - most guitarists over here have
never heard of Eruption... or would deny it if you asked them...

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:53:22 +0200
From: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Used Vortex price
Message-ID: <19970817155321765.AAA197@Default>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi all


I'd like to know the price of a used Vortex. $200 is too much??

thanks

leo

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:37:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: PainPete@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Used Vortex price
Message-ID: <970817143738_1553020708@emout18.mail.aol.com>

They were going new for $150 towards the end. Nose dive from 500-600 range.
Now they are all gone (?) so your best bet is to find someone who bought one
and hated it. This is easier said than done since everyone I know of who has
one loves it, and thinks the people who it to sold them for that low are
idiots (I think the rest of the world is full of idiots for not going nuts
over this thing, but that's just my bias). At worst a Vortex owner hasn't had
enough time to figure out how amazing it is yet, but are willing to give it a
chance since they tend to hear all the word-of-mouth. Actually your best bet
is to find someone who has one who is (a) starving to death and/or (b)
jonesing for smack and/or (c) stole it. (Actually this is probably
considerably more likely than finding someone who hates it).

I don't think their value is very well-defined at the moment, it probably
depends on how much the person you are buying it from paid for it, at least
for a couple years anyway. I paid $350 for mine and thought I made out like a
bandit until I heard about what the guys on this list got away with!  $200 is
probably reasonable (based on what they were finally going for plus the added
value of their posthumous reputation) but I think they will only appreciate.
I am CONVINCED that they will be very valuable (maybe close to the original
price?) hard-to-find classics in the future, even if everything else in the
world ends up sounding exactly like it anyway. It will be prove to have been
either ahead of its time, or utterly unique, or both, no matter what happens.


For getting something like it widely available again, we can only hope
someone famous champions the thing in a very visible way, but that probably
won't happen since music is so gear-drenched no one cares what gear someone
is using anymore (nor can most people afford it) by the time it gets to
things like weird rack-mounts. Though I shudder to think what Hendrix would
have done with one in the 60s, for instance (brain cells cringe in horror and
awe...) - Man, how'd he DO that????? Too bad the Vortex wasn't a 79.99 foot
pedal of his...

Pete


In a message dated 97-08-17 11:54:53 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:	Used Vortex price
 Date:	97-08-17 11:54:53 EDT
 From:	LEO@DINONET.IT (Leonardo Cavallo)
 Resent-from:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 Reply-to:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 
 
 Hi all
 
 
 I'd like to know the price of a used Vortex. $200 is too much??
 
 thanks
 
 leo
 
  >>

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:15:41 -0400
From: "Bruce Gerow" <bgerow@ny.tds.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: will trade
Message-Id: <199708172005.PAA18788@mail.tds.net>
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Hi Loopers,
	Anyone tired of their Vortex is welcome to trade it for my Boss SE50.Even
Swap.E mail me if interested.
	LooseBruce

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:12:13 -0700
From: studio seventeen productions <ambient@adnc.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: boomerang
Message-Id: <199708172112.OAA19257@barley.adnc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Would the gentleman from Boomerang please email me with the physical
dimensions of and complete specs and details of the Boomerang?

Privately to ambient@adnc.com


Thanks!


dave at studio seventeen

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:56:49 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: new instruments
Message-Id: <v01520d01b01a6d615038@[200.254.32.145]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Patrick tells us:
>Anyhow From Scratch makes there own instruments. Dadson uses PVC pipes.
>They are tuned and mounted in rows, along with other percussive sources. He
>has no heads on them. He uses a " paddle" (very similar in appearance to a
>ping pong paddle) to strike the tubes. I'm not sure where you might mount
>your MIDI trigger, but this may be worth investigating.

Do they strike the end of the tubes to create the bass sound of the
vibrating air in the tube?
UAKTI, a very amazing band from Belo Horizonte (Brazil) do that for a long
time. They lead all tubes into a box where they put a microphone - a
beautifull bass instrument: quick, percussive and melodic. They have some
CD distributed in the US or even worldwide. There are many other
instruments they created using glass, water, rubber membranes on flutes,,,
No looping. Straight compositions, fast rhythms, almost classic style,
sometimes.

Matthias

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:02:11 -0500
From: Randy Jones <ranjones@texas.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: new instruments
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970817220209.008c3c10@texas.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello,

There are some African instruments that use a padded type of Ping Pong
paddle (cloth wrapped over some thin foam, all, over the wooden paddle?)
slapped across the top of some clay pots. The padding seals the strike
against the sometimes uneven surface of the pot rim. The trapped air makes
a very full, low sound. I had thought that these were air tight except for
the top, but maybe they had a hole in them. Anyway, the PVC tubing may
create the same effect. The softness of the paddle would prevent the harsh
sound of another hard object striking the open rim of the plastic. Think
I'll give it a go. Let everyone know. 

At 11:56 PM 8/17/97 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote:
>Patrick tells us:
>>Anyhow From Scratch makes there own instruments. Dadson uses PVC pipes.
>>They are tuned and mounted in rows, along with other percussive sources. He
>>has no heads on them. He uses a " paddle" (very similar in appearance to a
>>ping pong paddle) to strike the tubes. I'm not sure where you might mount
>>your MIDI trigger, but this may be worth investigating.
>
>Do they strike the end of the tubes to create the bass sound of the
>vibrating air in the tube?
>UAKTI, a very amazing band from Belo Horizonte (Brazil) do that for a long
>time. They lead all tubes into a box where they put a microphone - a
>beautifull bass instrument: quick, percussive and melodic. They have some
>CD distributed in the US or even worldwide. There are many other
>instruments they created using glass, water, rubber membranes on flutes,,,
>No looping. Straight compositions, fast rhythms, almost classic style,
>sometimes.
>
>Matthias
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:32:10 -0400
From: "Siobhan Canty" <siocanty@cfpa.org>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Additional JamMan memory upgrades $65
Message-Id: <14324584806947@cfpa.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

FYI - I spoke with someone at VisionSoft in Carmel California about chips
for the memory upgrade.  Each chip is $4.95 each plus $7 in shipping per
order.  
You need four of them so the total would be only about $27.00.  The price
difference is a little strange (??)  But the guy was familiar with the
JamMan...So people wanting memory upgrades might want to call them at (800)
735-2633.


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> From: Len Seligman <seligman@mitre.org>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Additional JamMan memory upgrades $65
> Date: Friday, August 15, 1997 11:51 AM
> 
> No one should have to suffer with only 8 seconds of loop time anymore!
> 
> Since a few people responded, I decided to go ahead and buy some more. I
> should receive them late next week. So, if anybody else wants JamMan
> memory, please let me know and send along your surface mail address.
> (Please respond directly to me at seligman@mitre.org and not to the whole
> Loopers-Delight list. Thanks.)
> 
> For those wanting technical details, these come in sets of four 1M x 4
bit
> Motorola ZIP ICs, part number MCM54400AZ (70 nanoseconds). 
> 
> Happy looping,
> Len Seligman
> 
> >>I have an extra set of Motorola memory ICs for the JamMan which upgrade
it
> >>from 8 to 32 seconds of looping. I installed a set without any problem,
> >>following the instructions in the JamMan manual.
> >>
> >>Lexicon charges around $175 a set, but I found these at a chip
graveyard;
> >>the only hitch was I had to buy a bunch of chips.
> >>
> >>I only have one set left, however, if multiple people respond and are
> >>interested, I could make another buy.
> >>
> >>Please respond directly to me and not to the whole list.
> >>
> >>Len Seligman
> >
> >

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:46:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: KRosser414@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Eventide Harmonizer
Message-ID: <970818104425_210880588@emout07.mail.aol.com>

So, I'm poking around in a pawn shop the other day and see a two-space rack
unit with no model #, just "Eventide Harmonizer" on the front.  Looking at
the controls, it appears to have harmonizing, delay, flange and possibly
looping capabilities.  It was in a stack behind the counter, so I didn't get
to see what sort of controls it had on the back.  They were asking $695 for
it.

Since the guy there didn't seem to be too keen on dragging it out and hooking
it up unless I was flashing a wad of cash I didn't get to listen to it
myself.  So, I'm wondering:  Is anyone familiar with this piece of gear?  If
so, what are some of it's capabilities?  I've always understood Eventide to
be a front-runner in the high-end harmonizer business, but is this thing
possibly sub-standard compared to current standards?  What might some of it's
delay and/or looping functions be?  Is it potentially worth $695 if it's
working?  

Thanks,
Ken

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:29:31 -0400
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Used Vortex price
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_WV1-970818152931Z-8381@exchange_wv1.ATK.COM>

I was at Vennemans (Rockville MD) clearance sale a few months
ago and they had them for under $200 new. (~$190)

I don't know if they sold them all or not. 

you can check online at 

http://www.musicemporium.com/

good luck

john

>----------
>From: 	Leonardo Cavallo
>Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Sent: 	Sunday, August 17, 1997 11:53 AM
>To: 	John_Ott@ATK.COM
>Subject: 	Used Vortex price
>
>
>Hi all
>
>
>I'd like to know the price of a used Vortex. $200 is too much??
>
>thanks
>
>leo
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:23:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Gerace <seahorse@user1.channel1.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Live band use of loopings
Message-Id: <199708181623.MAA17560@user1.channel1.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

In one of the pieces we do  (Dreamchild) Cheryl, our
bassist/vocalist/wire-strung-harpist, will loop her voice on her jamman over
a loop I created with the guitar.  The nature of this piece is such that a
little drift doesn't hurt the piece.  
        On another one, I loop the entire verse while she accompanies on
bass.  When she starts singing (the second verse) I switch pathes on VG8 and
add some fills and harmonies, a solo, etc.  The thing there is the decay of
the last chord and the rest in between measures.  If I was a little sloppy
puching in I can wind up with a fraction of beat more or less and since she
plays a pickup line for each verse, she has to figure out the space
requirements and adjust her lines accordingly.  
        We don't use drummers so we don't have that problem.  Our time is
pretty good, so we don't have problems that way very often either.  Our
synching problems, when they happen at all, seem to be from not having the
technology dance of the record buttons down as well as we should.  She also
uses her jamman to sample lines from a verse that she'll harmonize in the
next verse while replaying the sample.  Again, the key is foot pedal accuracy.
        Dreamchild isn't a totally loop oriented entity so all our stuff
doesn't utilize looping technology.  We are hoping to incorporate more of
it, including looping the harp as well.  I use the loops for texture
(ambient variants) in some songs and build some trancy patterns that are
sung over in others.  By working with the capabilities of the equipment in
composing pieces and wrking with someone else with a looping device, we
manage to deal nicely with issue of time drift.  
        At one point I tried looping sections of a song written prior to
acquiring my jamman to see if I could play all the parts I overdubbed in the
studio at home.  This would have required looping a few different patterns
of fingerpicking of the same bar length, but I ran into trouble with the
arrangement of the song not having the 'right' number of bars of the same
length so I couldn't come back in with the right pattern at the right time.
As that was a few years back, I don't remember exactly what the arrangement
was, but it was the middle section that threw the time off.  Nowadays, I
write with capabilities of the device in mind.

Frank Gerace
Dreamchild

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:06:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Neilson <jneil@echonyc.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: JamMan ROM upgrades?
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I recently picked up a used JamMan, and I find that the triggering is 
very 'spongey' from both the footpedal or from MIDI (the Tap button
doesn't seem to have this problem).

A friend who does studio engineering says he remembers getting a ROM
upgrade that took care of this problem, but I didn't see any reference
to the on Loopers Delight pages.  Can anyone confirm this?

Also, the MIDI program change numbers seem to be off by one from what
the manual says ('Tap' seems to respond to Program 0, not 1, and so
forth).  Is this a JamMan glitch or a Vision error or what?

Thanks,
John

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John Neilson                                             www.mixup.com 
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:10:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Dan Howarth <howarth@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Eventide Harmonizer
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i think this is an older unit... probably not amazing per say, but still a
worthy piece of gear (if it's what you're looking for, of course).
check out eventide's www site for better info on this thing.
i think it's www.eventide.com but maybe a search would be better.

**  Dan Howarth <howarth@u.arizona.edu>                       **
**  Classics-History-Music.  University of Arizona, Tucson    **
**  http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth 		              **

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:10:10 -0500
From: John Pollock <johnpollock@delphi.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Used Vortex price
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Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I'd like to know the price of a used Vortex. $200 is too much??

A Vortex is priceless.  If you have a chance at one for $200, by all
means grab it.
-- 
John Pollock
mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com
http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech)

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