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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 141

Today's Topics:
  Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ robin bussell <robin.b2@ukonline.co ]
  Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.c ]
  Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  loops in concert, NJ (fwd)            [ Henry Throop <throop@bogart.Colorad ]
  RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  RE: JamMan ROM upgrades?              [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  RE : GUITAR GOOD / KEYBOARD BAD       [ Boris.Michel@mccann.de ]
  OUCH                                  [ Boris.Michel@mccann.de ]
  RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Re: Guitar good, keyboards bad        [ Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net> ]
  Re: Eventide Harmonizer               [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Guitar good,etc,Now Jobson Solo   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: new instruments                   [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  FS: Vortex (fwd)                      [ Henry Throop <throop@bogart.Colorad ]

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:48:20 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-Id: <v01510100b01e8650c645@[128.193.5.40]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I wrote to the list saturday about distortion problems I had after
upgrading the JamBeing to 32 seconds.

So, today I called VisionSoft (800-735-2633) and double checked the part
numbers with them, and the chips they sent are the appropriate model (The
person at VS said that he'd been getting a lot of orders for these chips by
JamMan users lately, BTW). He also said that if there was a defective chip,
I shouldn't get any output at all, and recommended that I swap the chips
again and see what happens. So I did.

This time, I got a really horrible digital distortion with random crackling
and bursts of digital noise. Much worse than the original distortion I got,
in fact it made the random crackling and bursts even with nothing in the
input. Also, the level LED showed that the unit was overloading, even with
nothing plugged in. This was bad. Actually, it was rather cool, and if I
hadn't been so freaked out, I would have taped a bit, it was really nasty
stuff. Swappped the 8 second chips back in, JamSter works fine. Swapped
32-sec chips, same as above. For good measure, I swapped the 8-sec's back
in, all OK.

So I start thinking, always a dangerous phenomenon. I hadn't really paid
attention to what order I had placed the chips into the JamMan, and that
seemed to be the only difference between the earlier mild distortion and
the current mega-nasty distortion. And if the order of the chips can create
these 2 levels of distortion, then maybe there's an order that can produce
no distortion. Figuring a maximum of 16 different permutations, I thought
I'd try them all and see what happened.

On the second permutation, I got the desired effect: 32 seconds of
glorious, distortion-free looping.

So, now I'm really curious about how this can work this way. I've talked to
several other people who have upgraded their own JamMen, and no-one has
mentioned this problem. I know a bit about how computer memory, digital
delays, etc, work, at least in theory, and I'm pretty mystified at this. I
told this story to the tech at VisionSoft, and he's says there's no
rational reason for it to behave this way. So, anyone out there got a clue?
I suppose that since it's working now, I shouldn't complain, but you know
the adage about curiosity and the cat...

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:03:12 +0100
From: robin bussell <robin.b2@ukonline.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-ID: <33F78330.1C34@ukonline.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> On the second permutation, I got the desired effect: 32 seconds of
> glorious, distortion-free looping.
> 
> So, now I'm really curious about how this can work this way. I've talked to

Well it sound to me like you *have* got a duff chip there but it's now
in a position to cause distortion that's inaudible. Say you had the most
significant bit of your sixteen stuck on (or random) you'd have either a
massive DC offset on your signal (half the full swing ) or large amounts
of noise. Move this duff chip to the least significant bit and all of a 
sudden your noise of offset is only 1/65535th of the total output swing
possible... hardly noticable, in fact there are some intersting
techniques for hiding encrypted data (which looks like a random
bitstream) in digital audio this way.. simply string out all the bits in
you data bytes and use them as the least significant bit in your WAV
file or whatever... similar things are done to hide digital copyright
data in CD's etc but I digress!

All the above is rendered a bit invalid if the jamman runs a memory test
on powerup as it should spot this and complain... though it might not
spot an error knocked out  address bits, this would mean that data got
replicated inblocks throughout the RAM and in it's least noticeable form
would be like halfing the sample rate...hmmm some jamman inside knowlege
needed here! Bob?

Anyway the long and the short of it is that there are plenty of possible
explanations for a faulty chip making your unit behave as it does so I'd
say ask them for one more, swap the ram back to a noisy config, then
swap the replacement in  one at a time until you find the culprit.

Hope this helps a bit,
                    Robin.

------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:20:48 -0500
From: "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-ID: <33F8D8D0.DE1@dmans.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Dave Trenkel wrote:
> 
> This time, I got a really horrible digital distortion with random crackling
> and bursts of digital noise. Much worse than the original distortion I got,
> in fact it made the random crackling and bursts even with nothing in the
> input. Also, the level LED showed that the unit was overloading, even with
> nothing plugged in. This was bad.
> Swappped the 8 second chips back in, JamSter works fine. Swapped
> 32-sec chips, same as above. For good measure, I swapped the 8-sec's back
> in, all OK.
> 
> And if the order of the chips can create
> these 2 levels of distortion, then maybe there's an order that can produce
> no distortion. Figuring a maximum of 16 different permutations, I thought
> I'd try them all and see what happened.
> 
> On the second permutation, I got the desired effect: 32 seconds of
> glorious, distortion-free looping.

Dave,
  There is a very rational reason for this behavior: stuck bits. After
power up the bits should all be at zero yielding silence on playback,
but one or more of the memory modules has some bits stuck at 1. The
change in noise with module location probably occurs because of the
following. Each module is responsible for storing 4 bits of each 16 bit
sample. If the bad module is in the "most significant" position then it
represents a huge number and you hear a pop. If the bad module is in the
"least significant" position, then the flaw may be completely
inaudible.  In between locations for the bad module should create in
between noise levels. Because you found a very quiet positioning, I'd
say your vendor sold you only one defective module.

Motley

------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:48:00 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: mnelson@dmans.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-Id: <v01510102b01eaaee6149@[128.193.5.6]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 6:20 PM 8/18/97, Mikell D. Nelson wrote:
>Dave,
>  There is a very rational reason for this behavior: stuck bits. After
>power up the bits should all be at zero yielding silence on playback,
>but one or more of the memory modules has some bits stuck at 1. The
>change in noise with module location probably occurs because of the
>following. Each module is responsible for storing 4 bits of each 16 bit
>sample. If the bad module is in the "most significant" position then it
>represents a huge number and you hear a pop. If the bad module is in the
>"least significant" position, then the flaw may be completely
>inaudible.  In between locations for the bad module should create in
>between noise levels. Because you found a very quiet positioning, I'd
>say your vendor sold you only one defective module.
>
I thought so! I bounced this theory off of the tech at VisionSoft, and he
said it was unlikely, but what do you expect from a phone support guy
anyway. So, per Mikell and Robbin's suggestions, I'm going to try to get a
new chip out of VisionSoft, and see if this solves it for good...

Thanks for the advice!

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:36:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: Henry Throop <throop@bogart.Colorado.EDU>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: loops in concert, NJ (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970819013229.10544A-100000@bogart.Colorado.EDU>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Forwarded from the space-music list...

-henry
throop@colorado.edu

Begin forwarded message
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Really-From: chuckv@p3.net (Chuck van Zyl)

"Star Watch"
Friday, August 22, 1997 at 7:30 pm
Bill Forcier, Paul Mimlitsch and Phil Grim
Chuck Miller opening
The Gazebo in the Village of Taunton Forge Shoppiing Center
Medford, NJ (intersection of Taunton and Tuckerton Roads)
Telephone: (609) 596-7098
On the web, visit the "Events" page of The Star's End Web Site at
http://www.starsend.org

"Star Watch": "An exploratory journey through time and space". Paul
Mimlitch (Chapman Stick/Loops) Bill Forcier (Synthesizers/guitars/Loops)
and Phil Grim (Percussion) performing an extended set of loops,
improvisations, sequences, and textures.

Bill Forcier is a guitar and synthesizer composer from southern NJ. Through
his work as a guitarist with the bands "Andromeda" and "Treated and
Released", he gained exposure and experience in local clubs in the late
'80s. During that time, his interest in the local electronic music scene
created a new direction for his work.

Forcier's work "Ayer's Rock" appeared on the Synkronos Music sampler
"Facets" and his piece "Daguerre Type" was released on the Electronic
Dreams collection "Dreamseeds". And on February 1, 1997, Bill's "First
Night Out"  performance was featured on WXPN's Star's End.

Paul Mimlistch (also from the south Jersey area) performs on The Chapman
Stick. He uses "loops" to produce beautiful washes of sound and texture,
upon which he and his supporting musicians overlay rhythms and solos.

Mimlitsch's solo work can best be described as extended "stream of
consiousness mindscape explorations" with and in response to
textures/rythms built up using various "looping" devices; but in the group
context, responding to other player's improvisations.

Paul frequently performs solo live concerts (Star's End Gathering XI) as
well as with the groups: "Gaia Mind" (jazz improv.), "Folk Fusion" (new age
folk), "Invasion of Time" (improvisation), and "Xynolyth".

Phil Grim is a percussionist who studied for seven years under Lenny
Seidman, and has performed professionally for three years with various
artists. His music covers a variety of styles including Indian, African,
Latin, and Middle Eastern. The influence of Mystic "goes deep from 20 years
of the Philadelphia underground music scene." Through his studies and
experiences, he has emassed a varried collection of percussion instruments.

Opening the show will be guitarist Chuck Miller performing two original
pieces written for acoustic guitar and stick. Paul Mimlitch will be
accompanying on stick.

"Star Watch" will be an outdoor event. Bring a chair or blanket if you
want. In case of bad weather the concert will be moved inside to the
Celestial Cafe. Telephone: (609) 596-7098

Directions to "Star Watch":

- -Route 70 East to Hartford Road in Medford, NJ  (5 minutes past Rts70/73
traffic circle in Marlton, NJ)
- -Right on to Hartford Road
- -Turn right, at second traffic light, onto Taunton Road
- -Pass first traffic signal
- -Taunton Forge Shopping Center is on the right


For the uninitiated:

WHAT IS LOOPED MUSIC?

The sole distinguishing feature of looped music is the inclusion of
electronically-assisted repetition of audio material. Due to the
unpredictable nature of live loops, looped music is often experimental in
nature. Musicians who are attracted to this form tend to posess a highly
improvisatory leaning, always ready to respond to the electronic realities
that that may come into being. The genre encompasses a seemingly infinite
range of compositional and performance styles. Remember Robert Fripp and
Brian Eno's tape-loop albums of the late 70's? Familiar with Steve Reich's
phase pieces? Are you a fan of the current resurgence of noise-collage
compositions? This music is worth checking out!

xxx
- ----------------------------
End forwarded message

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:11:00 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>,
        robin.b2 <robin.b2@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-Id: <9708191440.AA02285@beryllium.lexicon.com>

Good explanation Robin,

JAMMAN does not test the DRAM at power up.  You can run a DRAM test as   
follows:Start with the power off.  Hold down the "RESET/Bypass" and   
"Function" buttons and turn the machine on.  You should get a "d" in the   
display.  Release the buttons.  Press and release the "RESET/BYPASS"   
button.  You should know have a number between 0 and 15 which corresponds   
with the position of the Mode encoder.  Turn the mode encoder to "PUNCH   
IN LOOP 4."  You should now have a "6" in the display.  Press and release   
the "RESET/BYPASS" button to run the test.  If the test fails you will   
have a hexidecimal number between 1 and F flashing in the display which   
will indicate which DRAM is failing as follows:1=U20, 2=U21, 3=U20 & U21,   
4=U22, 5=U20 & U22, 6=U21 & U22, 7=U20, U21 & U22, 8=U23, 9=U20 & U23,   
A=U21 & U23, B =U20, U21 & U23, C=U22 & U23, D=U20, U22 & U23, E=U21, U22   
& U23, F= U20, U21, U22, & U23.

I hope this helps.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that   
I can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 6172-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499

 ----------
From:  robin.b2[SMTP:robin.b2@ukonline.co.uk]
Sent:  Monday, August 18, 1997 12:03 AM
To:  Loopers-Delight
Subject:  Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2

 ----------------------------------------------------
> On the second permutation, I got the desired effect: 32 seconds of
> glorious, distortion-free looping.
>
> So, now I'm really curious about how this can work this way. I've   
talked to

Well it sound to me like you *have* got a duff chip there but it's now
in a position to cause distortion that's inaudible. Say you had the most
significant bit of your sixteen stuck on (or random) you'd have either a
massive DC offset on your signal (half the full swing ) or large amounts
of noise. Move this duff chip to the least significant bit and all of a
sudden your noise of offset is only 1/65535th of the total output swing
possible... hardly noticable, in fact there are some intersting
techniques for hiding encrypted data (which looks like a random
bitstream) in digital audio this way.. simply string out all the bits in
you data bytes and use them as the least significant bit in your WAV
file or whatever... similar things are done to hide digital copyright
data in CD's etc but I digress!

All the above is rendered a bit invalid if the jamman runs a memory test
on powerup as it should spot this and complain... though it might not
spot an error knocked out  address bits, this would mean that data got
replicated inblocks throughout the RAM and in it's least noticeable form
would be like halfing the sample rate...hmmm some jamman inside knowlege
needed here! Bob?

Anyway the long and the short of it is that there are plenty of possible
explanations for a faulty chip making your unit behave as it does so I'd
say ask them for one more, swap the ram back to a noisy config, then
swap the replacement in  one at a time until you find the culprit.

Hope this helps a bit,
                    Robin.

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:19:00 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: JamMan ROM upgrades?
Message-Id: <9708191515.AA02448@beryllium.lexicon.com>

Hi John,

The latest software for JAMMAN is V1.01.  I am not aware of it addressing   
the problem that you have described.  If you open the machine up the ROM   
with the part # 350-09278 will either read V1.00 or V1.01.  If you have a   
V1.00 ROM a new ROM can be purchased for US$18.53 plus shipping and   
handling.

Some MIDI products use numbers 1-128 and some use 0-127. These are the   
same messages with the numbers offset by 1.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that   
I can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email:ghogan@lexicon.com


 ----------
From:  Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com]
Sent:  Monday, August 18, 1997 1:06 PM
To:  Loopers-Delight
Subject:  JamMan ROM upgrades?

 ----------------------------------------------------

I recently picked up a used JamMan, and I find that the triggering is
very 'spongey' from both the footpedal or from MIDI (the Tap button
doesn't seem to have this problem).

A friend who does studio engineering says he remembers getting a ROM
upgrade that took care of this problem, but I didn't see any reference
to the on Loopers Delight pages.  Can anyone confirm this?

Also, the MIDI program change numbers seem to be off by one from what
the manual says ('Tap' seems to respond to Program 0, not 1, and so
forth).  Is this a JamMan glitch or a Vision error or what?

Thanks,
John

 ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line -----------------------
John Neilson                                             www.mixup.com
jneil@mixup.com                                  "a site for sore ears"

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:35:53 +0200
From: Boris.Michel@mccann.de
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE : GUITAR GOOD / KEYBOARD BAD
Message-ID: <C12564F8.005A5F6E.00@mail.mccann.de>
Content-type: text/plain

ON Tue, 12 Aug 1997 The Man Himself said :

> However, for me (the bassist & tightly budding guitarist), I'm sorry, but
> PLAYING the keyboard is boring to watch and not that exciting to DO
> compared to those beautifully vibrating strings over a wonderfully
> sculpted, smooth wood neck.  It's a whole lot more fun than sitting
> behind what amounts to a big hunk of furniture or, worse, a heavy chunk
> of plastic and cheap metal parts.
> I love my Nord keyboard, but for sheer playing pleasure, I'd much rather
> PLAY my strat or P-bass or Modulus 5-string.  It just feeeels good, man.

Well, that is another reason why i still get up every morning and thank god
for not being a guitar player.
Hey OK, FRIPP is great on stage but so is Richard Barbieri. It's a
different thing altogether but what the? you're not really there to see
them but rather hear them. Ask Robert about this?

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:52:11 +0200
From: Boris.Michel@mccann.de
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: OUCH
Message-ID: <C12564F8.005C3D84.00@mail.mccann.de>
Content-type: text/plain

On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Andre, The man himself said :

> Is there something in the air around here?  Are the planets aligned in a
> particularly nefarious way?
> There's been more outright flaming and off-topic posting on this list
over
> the last three or four days than in the entire one-year history of the
> list *combined*.  Please, people, try to be respectful of one another .> This list has always struck me as being significantly better-behaved than
> a lot of others, and I'd hate to see it degenerate into a morass of
> unrelated hostility.
> Like the phrase says: "Mean people SUCK!"   So please don't.
And then i realized that i had quoted Kim Corbet in my last mail (re:guitar
good - keyboard bad) and said that Andre had said this. Sorry Andre? (loop
this).

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:48:56 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>,
        "robin.b2" <robin.b2@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-Id: <v01510103b01f9305eb8d@[128.193.5.6]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 11:11 AM 8/19/97, Hogan, Greg wrote:
>Good explanation Robin,
>
>JAMMAN does not test the DRAM at power up.  You can run a DRAM test as
>follows:Start with the power off.  Hold down the "RESET/Bypass" and
>"Function" buttons and turn the machine on.  You should get a "d" in the
>display.  Release the buttons.  Press and release the "RESET/BYPASS"
>button.  You should know have a number between 0 and 15 which corresponds
>with the position of the Mode encoder.  Turn the mode encoder to "PUNCH
>IN LOOP 4."  You should now have a "6" in the display.  Press and release
>the "RESET/BYPASS" button to run the test.  If the test fails you will
>have a hexidecimal number between 1 and F flashing in the display which
>will indicate which DRAM is failing as follows:1=U20, 2=U21, 3=U20 & U21,
>4=U22, 5=U20 & U22, 6=U21 & U22, 7=U20, U21 & U22, 8=U23, 9=U20 & U23,
>A=U21 & U23, B =U20, U21 & U23, C=U22 & U23, D=U20, U22 & U23, E=U21, U22
>& U23, F= U20, U21, U22, & U23.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that
>I can do for you.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Greg Hogan
>Lexicon Customer Service
>Phone 6172-280-0372
>FAX 617-280-0499

Greg, this is exactly the information I need, profound thanks for the post.
Perhaps this should go onto the JamMan page at Kim's site?

So, I ran the above diagnostic, and I get a "+" in the lower left corner of
the display. I presume this means that the DRAM checks out, right?

Still mystified and running on 15 bits...

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:34:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Guitar good, keyboards bad
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970819143257.29868C-100000@ari.ari.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Kim Corbet wrote:

> However, for me (the bassist & tightly budding guitarist), I'm sorry, but 
> PLAYING the keyboard is boring to watch and not that exciting to DO 
> compared to those beautifully vibrating strings over a wonderfully 
> sculpted, smooth wood neck.  It's a whole lot more fun than sitting 
> behind what amounts to a big hunk of furniture or, worse, a heavy chunk 
> of plastic and cheap metal parts.  

Obviously you've never seen Jerry Lee Lewis or Little Richard play piano.

-Adam

---
       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 
                           becomes a Hearer."
                           - Chandrakirti

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:37:08 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Eventide Harmonizer
Message-Id: <v01520d00b01f8e87d98f@[200.254.32.156]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>i think this is an older unit... probably not amazing per say, but still a
>worthy piece of gear (if it's what you're looking for, of course).
>check out eventide's www site for better info on this thing.
>i think it's www.eventide.com but maybe a search would be better.

If its the one I know, its has a 10 bit converter and only contains some
old pitch shift algorythm. Id say its to big and heavy for what it can do.

------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:37:18 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Guitar good,etc,Now Jobson Solo
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Oh yes, I fell in love with this guy when he joined Curved Air in "73,
almost a kid, for their "Metamorphosis" album.

I also loved Hammer and Patrick Moraz a lot, but the best MiniMoog players
for me is Kit Watkins of "Happy the Man".

Why is it we are talking about this old stuff? :-)

Matthias


><<>There is also Eddie Jobson's "Presto Vivace" from his UK days.
>>An amazing piece.
>>    Doug Michael
>>
> Also his solo on Zappa's "I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth" from Live
>In New York [the title track of Lather is the same]. A beautiful song.>>
>
>You can also add his Minimoog solo on the track "Rondevous 6:02" from the
>live "Night After Night" album, and the semi-solo synth piece, "Alaska" from
>the original UK album.....
>
>Jobson was in the position to grasp the torch of keyboard playing from the
>failing hands of Emerson and Wakeman, but the demise of the popularity of
>"progressive rock" caused him to go into writing commercial jingles after
>1985. No one else has even come close to his abilities and musicality (IMHO).
>Well, he did win some Clio awards....but I can't help feeling disappointed by
>the seemingly massive waste of an enourmous talent.
>
>Marshall (out of lurk mode, keyboardist for 20-some years, guitarist for 3)

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:37:02 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
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Subject: Re: new instruments
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>There are some African instruments that use a padded type of Ping Pong
>paddle (cloth wrapped over some thin foam, all, over the wooden paddle?)

Old beach type foam shoes are used, too.

>slapped across the top of some clay pots. The padding seals the strike
>against the sometimes uneven surface of the pot rim. The trapped air makes
>a very full, low sound. I had thought that these were air tight except for
>the top, but maybe they had a hole in them. Anyway, the PVC tubing may
>create the same effect. The softness of the paddle would prevent the harsh
>sound of another hard object striking the open rim of the plastic. Think
>I'll give it a go. Let everyone know.

Thats it! Bira gave me a clay pot similar to the ones used in Africa. It
turned into my favourite instrument. I play it just by hands, though. There
is a second hole on the side of the pot which is smaller than my palm, so I
can hiting and releasing it creates one bass sound, hitting and keeping it
closed another. There are more bass sounds by closing one hole partially
while hitting the other. If you close one whole totaly, the vibration
happens one octave below in the pot (or tube, in your case) but it hardly
does not radiate.

There are plenty treble sounds by hiting or caressing the clay in various
parts.
I glued in a piezo which captures perfectly the treble sounds. Now I need
to place a mic in the right spot to get the bass without feedbacking. It
will also capture the sound with one hole closed.

I am also fascinated by the fact that the instrument only costs $ 3.

It fascinates me to have the range of a whole drum set in a little suit
case to lay down some rhythm in the loop (I just have to learn to play it
better ;-)

Matthias

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:19:32 -0600 (MDT)
From: Henry Throop <throop@bogart.Colorado.EDU>
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I got this today from Rogue -- I've already got one so someone else can
scoop it up.

-henry
throop@colorado.edu

>
> We have one in good shape with manual and three month warranty for $119
> plus shipping, COD or credit card.
> -- 
> Dick Michaels
> Rogue Music, NYC
> http://www.roguemusic.com

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