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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 142

Today's Topics:
  Re: FS: Vortex (fwd)                  [ Henry Throop <throop@bogart.Colorad ]
  Re: FS: Vortex (fwd)                  [ Sean Echevarria <sechevar@californi ]
  E-MAIL REQUEST                        [ Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT> ]
  Kit Watkins                           [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ]
  RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re: E-MAIL REQUEST                    [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Kit Watkins                       [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2    [ robin bussell <robin.b2@ukonline.co ]
  Re: new instruments                   [ Nameless to the Goddess <afn39111@a ]
  the GT-5 LOOPS!                       [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]
  Re: the GT-5 LOOPS!                   [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]
  Re: the GT-5 LOOPS!                   [ buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barre ]
  Re: Eventide Harmonizer               [ Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net> ]

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:22:20 -0600 (MDT)
From: Henry Throop <throop@bogart.Colorado.EDU>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: FS: Vortex (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970819152120.16025C-100000@bogart.Colorado.EDU>
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Oops - Rogue's e-mail is roguemus@ix.netcom.com.  I've dealt with them
in the past and had no problems.

-henry
throop@colorado.edu

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:30:48 -0700
From: Sean Echevarria <sechevar@california.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: FS: Vortex (fwd)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819143048.00976a80@global.california.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Yep - I just dealt with them to, thanks
and sorry to anyone else

Sean


At 03:22 PM 8/19/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Oops - Rogue's e-mail is roguemus@ix.netcom.com.  I've dealt with them
>in the past and had no problems.
>
>-henry
>throop@colorado.edu

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:45:51 +0200
From: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: E-MAIL REQUEST
Message-ID: <19970820094550843.AAA218@Default>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi all


In my Vortex research, shipping the unit in Italy seems to be the big obstacle.

Someone knows the e-mail address of that German guy (a bassist??)
demonstrating for Lexicon?? I remember UFO and something else....
he appeared on the list some months ago....

thanks
leo

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Date: 20 Aug 97 08:51:48 EDT
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Kit Watkins
Message-ID: <970820125148_74074.1316_GHP75-1@CompuServe.COM>

Matthias writes:
>I also loved Hammer and Patrick Moraz a lot, but the best MiniMoog players
>for me is Kit Watkins of "Happy the Man".

Alright! Someone else who got it!!! As a guitarist, there are lots of guitar
players I can point to as being big influences, but the number one influence on
my lead playing was actually Kit. His mini moog sound on "Crafty Hands" is the
greatest! Just stunning the way he was able to wrap all that emotion and beauty
into his playing, and when he added the echoplex to it, it had everything I was
looking for. 

Kit's new work is quite excelllent as well, though very different from the Happy
The Man stuff: very ambient. And he's using tons of loopage, though often using
a sequencer as a looper. And, he's an exceptional person as well. Thanks for
bringing him up, Matthias, it's nice to think of him this morning.

Jon Durant

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:50:00 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-Id: <9708201310.AA04861@beryllium.lexicon.com>

Hi Dave,

Yes, you get a + in the display when the test passes.

Dear Kim,

You are welcome to place this diagnostic anywhere you'd like.

Best regards,

Greg

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From:  Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com]
Sent:  Tuesday, August 19, 1997 10:48 AM
To:  Loopers-Delight
Cc:  Loopers-Delight; robin.b2
Subject:  RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2

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At 11:11 AM 8/19/97, Hogan, Greg wrote:
>Good explanation Robin,
>
>JAMMAN does not test the DRAM at power up.  You can run a DRAM test as
>follows:Start with the power off.  Hold down the "RESET/Bypass" and
>"Function" buttons and turn the machine on.  You should get a "d" in the
>display.  Release the buttons.  Press and release the "RESET/BYPASS"
>button.  You should know have a number between 0 and 15 which   
corresponds
>with the position of the Mode encoder.  Turn the mode encoder to "PUNCH
>IN LOOP 4."  You should now have a "6" in the display.  Press and   
release
>the "RESET/BYPASS" button to run the test.  If the test fails you will
>have a hexidecimal number between 1 and F flashing in the display which
>will indicate which DRAM is failing as follows:1=U20, 2=U21, 3=U20 &   
U21,
>4=U22, 5=U20 & U22, 6=U21 & U22, 7=U20, U21 & U22, 8=U23, 9=U20 & U23,
>A=U21 & U23, B =U20, U21 & U23, C=U22 & U23, D=U20, U22 & U23, E=U21,   
U22
>& U23, F= U20, U21, U22, & U23.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything   
that
>I can do for you.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Greg Hogan
>Lexicon Customer Service
>Phone 6172-280-0372
>FAX 617-280-0499

Greg, this is exactly the information I need, profound thanks for the   
post.
Perhaps this should go onto the JamMan page at Kim's site?

So, I ran the above diagnostic, and I get a "+" in the lower left corner   
of
the display. I presume this means that the DRAM checks out, right?

Still mystified and running on 15 bits...

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:30:53 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: E-MAIL REQUEST
Message-Id: <v01520d02b020c7146173@[200.254.32.112]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Someone knows the e-mail address of that German guy (a bassist??)
>demonstrating for Lexicon?? I remember UFO and something else....
>he appeared on the list some months ago....

UFO WALTER <ufowalter@compuserve.com>

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:31:05 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Kit Watkins
Message-Id: <v01520d04b020c975f0aa@[200.254.32.112]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Matthias writes:
>>I also loved Hammer and Patrick Moraz a lot, but the best MiniMoog player
>>for me is Kit Watkins of "Happy the Man".

Jon Durant reacted firmly:
>... Just stunning the way he was able to wrap all that emotion and beauty
>into his playing, and when he added the echoplex to it, it had everything I was
>looking for.

the tape one? I was not aware...

>Kit's new work is quite excelllent as well, though very different from the
>Happy
>The Man stuff: very ambient. And he's using tons of loopage, though often using
>a sequencer as a looper. And, he's an exceptional person as well.

Wow, I was not aware he got into this, too! Give us some directions.
I would really love to listen to this!

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:12:20 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-Id: <v03102802b020d574523b@[207.171.196.155]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 9:50 AM -0400 8/20/97, Hogan, Greg wrote:
>Dear Kim,
>
>You are welcome to place this diagnostic anywhere you'd like.

Well, that's a dangerous request......

presumably the jamman has a more complete diagnostics test. Could we get
the whole thing for the web site?

thanks,

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:31:49 +0100
From: robin bussell <robin.b2@ukonline.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: JamMan memory problems, Part 2
Message-ID: <33FA10C5.635B@ukonline.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> 
> presumably the jamman has a more complete diagnostics test. Could we get
> the whole thing for the web site?
>

While You're about it I found a similar mode on the vortex the other day
though I think it might only be entered when it detects a problem with
the RAM (I was attempting to expand it at the time... sorry guys, no
success before you all scream :-) ) any further details available?  

  Cheers,
       Robin.

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:13:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nameless to the Goddess <afn39111@afn.org>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: new instruments
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.970822121252.181775B-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Matthias, sounds really neat.  But where in the hell did you buy such a
nifty clay pot (just any pot wouldn't do).

DANGER: HIGHLY INEFFABLE! <*> afn39111@afn.org <*> Why am I such a dork?
The Church of Perelandra: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111
B5 (passing beyond the Rim) list: babylon5-request@gatekey.com

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:30:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dpcoffin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: the GT-5 LOOPS!
Message-ID: <970822132946_1817529699@emout07.mail.aol.com>

I just discovered an amazing looping application on the Boss GT-5, which has
only 1800ms of delay. BUT, it has a delay spill-over function such that if
you write the same delay patch to several presets then change the other
non-delay perameters, when you select the different patches with a loop
running, the held delay contents carry over to run thru whatever new fx are
set up the different presets (still on Hold, even tho the control pedal--set
to activate hold--now is OFF; hit it twice to fade away the loop, in any of
the presets). Each one can be completely different except in the delay
settings--i just chose max delay and set up the hold thing--including what
kind of basic voice you'll have in that preset: acoustic, ring mod, synth,
pitch-shifted, whatever. So, with a bank of five such presets, you can create
a loop with any of the five different voices, and send that loop to five
different post-processing configurations. I've got auto wah set up after the
delay in each, so I have five different frequency sweeps to choose to send my
loop thru, with the expression pedal set to master level. Sending thru a
synth or ring mod voice, with slowly shifting auto wah, on which the
frequency rate is being swept by the internal triangle wave, is amazing, plus
I've got 4 other fx chains I can send it thru, and on each one there's a
different guitar voice I can play over it, let alone the other outputs on my
three-output guitar. This technique has kept the same little synth figure
entertaining thru the entire course of writing this post...it's always
changing as the wah brings things in and out. I've only just discovered this,
so I'm sure there are many variations...there's also a sound-on-sound
function that will probably work the same way. whew! this is a serious box!
dpc
Anybody know if there's a GT-5 user group/web-ftp site?

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:50:21 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: the GT-5 LOOPS!
Message-Id: <199708221755.KAA11843@gw1.bi-tech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> From: Dpcoffin@aol.com

> I just discovered an amazing looping application on the Boss GT-5, which
has

I'm not familiar with the GT-5.  Is it an effects processor or what?  The
synth and ring mod modes sound interesting.  How much do they run?

Matt

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:53:20 -0400
From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: the GT-5 LOOPS!
Message-Id: <199708221853.AA27628@world.std.com>

>I'm not familiar with the GT-5.  Is it an effects processor or what?  The
>synth and ring mod modes sound interesting.  How much do they run?

For lots of info, check out American Musical Supply's page on it:

  http://www.webcom.com/promusic/aams/products/bogt5.html
  (root http://www.americanmusical.com/)

There's also Roland's shorter page:

  http://www.rolandus.com/products/MI/MIboss_GME.html#GT-5

AMS's page implies that the other contemporary Boss FX units
should support the same mode.  The GT-5 is $800 from AMS;
the GX-700 is a rackmount that sounds similar, $550 from AMS;
the ME-8 is another pedalFX, sounds similar but without COSM,
$400 from AMS who say it has "up to 2000 ms" delay; they say
the same for the GX-700.  They don't report a time for the
GT-5's delay, but it seems odd that it would be shorter than
the other two.


While we're mentioning FX processors, I'm just looking into getting
some FX that I can use with looping.  Im thinking there are a lot of
places I'd like to be able to put FX:

  before the looper (e.g. traditional guitar FX)
  after the looper (postprocessing)
  in the feedback loop

I figure the last one can be done externally, and the reduction
in sound quality is liveable, although it might be nice
to find a looper+FX pair that could communicate digitally,
but probably not worth worrying about--loops are going to
deteriorate this way no matter what.

For postprocessing the loop, it would be really nice to have
a single box with several knobs that can be turned simultaneously;
are there any midpriced FX boxes with that ability?  I'm thinking
the best thing for it may just be a bunch of stomp boxes, so
all of the knobs are simultaneously accessible.

The other big question is, if I don't want to buy several FX units,
I'll want some way to route different things to the FX unit.
A mixer's fx-loop isn't really the right thing, since it's
a series thing:

   instrument -> FX1 -> looper -> FX2 -> output

Of course, if I have two source instruments (e.g. guitar and vocals),
then I really want the option to send the vocals or the guitar to the
looper, while the other bypasses it.

All of this seems to call for some kind of routing technology, like
a very souped up a/b box, but it doesn't really need mixing (except
for externally feeding back the looper).  Some sort of a
digitally-controlled mini-patchbay, or something.  (Ideally MIDIfied.)

I don't know of anything like that--I imagine there must be something
like it but it's probably very expensive.  Rather than spend many
hundred dollars on such a thing, I'm probably just better off buying
more mid-priced FX boxes.

So my current guess is to just get a stereo FX box which has 
two independent FX processors, get some kind of cheap mixer to
allow for external looping, and one or two a/b boxes...  but
it seems like kindof a pain.

So any of you want to comment on how you deal with this stuff,
specifically the "want to tweak lots of knobs" and the
"how to route it all" issues?

Sean Barrett

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:51:07 +0100
From: Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Eventide Harmonizer
Message-Id: <v03007800b02370355f24@[1.1.1.9]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>So, I'm poking around in a pawn shop the other day and see a two-space rack
>unit with no model #, just "Eventide Harmonizer" on the front.  Looking at
>the controls, it appears to have harmonizing, delay, flange and possibly
>looping capabilities.  It was in a stack behind the counter, so I didn't get
>to see what sort of controls it had on the back.  They were asking $695 for
>it.

Perhaps the model you refer to is the H-910.  It is an older unit, analog,
I suppose.  I picked one up in a used gear shop in Spokane, WA for $150 a
couple years ago.  I really like, although it is not for looping.  In case
this is the unit  you are talking about, here's the scoop:

It's got 1 input, 2 outputs (all-balanced, with screw-terminals, rather
than jacks).  For each output, you can select one (or more) of 4 delay
times: 7.5, 15, 30, and 60 ms.  (So, unless you are planning to use 60 ms
loops, this is not for looping).   The pitch of each successive delay can
be adjusted using one of 4 modes:
1. Manual control.  Here you set the pitch ratio.  A ratio of 1.0 will act
just like a delay. Pitch > 1 will cause the pitch to increase.... < 1
causes it to decrease.  The pitch range is 0.5 to 2.0.
2. Anti-feedback control.  Not exactly sure how this works, but I think the
pitch is proportional to the strength of the input signal.  (anybody have
more info about this??)
3. Keyboard input
4. CV input

There is also a input level and feedback control.

I find that this unit is especially good for real-time performance on
percussive sounds.  Tweaking the feedback and manual controls real-time
creates some real mind-bending sounds.  I like getting a druim rhythm
playing into it, then tweak the knobs, like it was instrument itself.   I
don't use it for much else.  It certainly isn't worth $700 to me, although
I;ve seen them go for $500.

Cheers,
Chris

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