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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 149

Today's Topics:
  Digitech PDS8000                      [ Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com ]
  RE: Echoplexs have been found, thank  [ Michael Peters <MPeters@compuserve. ]
  Re: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for loo  [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Hello and Vortex query?               [ Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) ]
  Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 or 7.6      [ MIvanBerk@aol.com ]
  subscriber                            [ alan s cohen <i000371@disch3.disc.d ]
  Re: Echoplexs have been found, thank  [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  finding Echoplexes                    [ Len Seligman <seligman@mitre.org> ]
  Vortices FS                           [ "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Tra ]
  Vortex question                       [ Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net> ]
  RE: Vortex question                   [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ]
  Re: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for loo  [ MIvanBerk@aol.com ]
  Re: Vortex question                   [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Vortex question has been answered -   [ Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net> ]
  Re: Echoplexs have been found, thank  [ Phil Diem <pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.e ]
  How I got mine.                       [ Randy Jones <ranjones@texas.net> ]
  Vortex flaw?                          [ "Julia & Dave" <jndk@colba.net> ]
  Re: Vortex flaw?                      [ vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps) ]
  Friday gig                            [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ]
  Re: Looping Synth                     [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Re: Echoplex                          [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Re: Echoplexs have been found, thank  [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Digitech RDS/PDS Series               [ Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net> ]
  New Korg DL8000R                      [ David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exa ]
  Q. Loop labels anyone...?             [ David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exa ]
  RE: Vortex flaw?                      [ "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series           [ verner@infinitesound.com ]
  Re: Q. Loop labels anyone...?         [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 10:43:00 EST
From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Digitech PDS8000
Message-Id: <9708108739.AA873915752@mail.amsinc.com>

  I just joined this list a couple days ago and I'm finding it refreshing
  that there are so many interesting ideas floating around here.  I wish I
  could hear some of the results of these discussions.  Anyways, thanks to
  Dave T for the kind comments, too.
  Anyway the PDS8000, tho primitive and 'old school' is one of the most
  amazing units I've ever heard - it can be both organic and warm or cold
  and elektronik.  I've dubbed it the "improv-pedal" (as opposed to the
  "grunge pedal") because every electronic improvisor seems to have one or
  at least had one, including Elliot Sharp, Zeena Parkins, No Neck Blues
  band, Doug Theriault, etc...  My main complaint with it is that if you
  change the delay parameter (2/4/8 secs) or the
  mode(normal/trigger/sample) it takes 8 seconds for it to reset itself and
  basically doesn't work for that amount of time.  That's why I use a
  DFX-94 as second unit, since it can switch from mode to mode
  instantaneously (tho it,too has problems, such as when you try to loop a
  sample, it sometimes goes into input/record mode, erasing the sample).
  Nonetheless, the above setup has enabled me to get just about every
  perverted sound my mind can come up with.  Also it looks cool to be
  twisting knobs and slapping pedals like an animal (or so I've heard).
  A final note - I thought this could only have come from a fantasy dream
  sequence, but no it was true.  I was in Baltimore and met John Berndt,
  electro-acoustic uber-composer, and when he saw my PDS8000, he took out
  this box and showed me HIS PDS8000, which looked like an evil twin.  It
  had several additional buttons and toggle switches that he had installed
  himself and it was like a HOTROD from HELL.  I've never heard anything
  like it.  He tried explaining to me what they all did, but my feeble mind
  couldn't take it all in.  Truly amazing.  That guy is nuts.

  ed chang

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:38:43 -0400
From: Michael Peters <MPeters@compuserve.com>
To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Echoplexs have been found, thanks
Message-ID: <199709101238_MC2-1FED-91C4@compuserve.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
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Paul,

>Is there some informal way people introduce themselves to this list?

Write whatever you want. Do you have a homepage which covers your work and
techniques?

One way to really let everyone know about one's work is to add one's
profile to the profile page. Check out the profile webpage and you'll see -
everything's explained there. Just write something about yourself, your
work, gear, bands, email address, homepage address, whatever you find
important, and email it to me. You may or may not use the tabular form that
many people use. 
___________
Michael Peters   
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters
HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want"
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm
Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund
        http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 11:52:51 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for looping
Message-Id: <199709101649.JAA33972@scv1.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

>While I am tempted to shell out the big-$$ on an echoplex or jamman, and
>given the relative scarcity of both, and also given my neophyte status, I
>am wondering whether a Digitech PDS pedal or something similar might
>suffice for the moment. I understand these pedals to have the capability of
>sampling and holding and they can have up to 8 seconds delay - that would
>be plenty for me at the moment. Do these pedals have any other capabilities
>that are useful ? Which is the most ideal for the purposes of looping ?

I've got one of the 8-second pedals, and it's great.  You can find them 
used, if you're patient, for under $150.  A great starting place for 
looping.  All the features of the JamMan and Echoplex are wonderful (I've 
got an echoplex and an assortment of other long delay lines), but you can 
easily get into serious looping without shelling out the big bucks.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:44:31 -0700
From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle)
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Hello and Vortex query?
Message-ID: <00015166.1264@wj.com>
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Hello All,

I'm greatly enjoying the web site and list! I'm probably the 59th person to ask 
where I might find a new or used Vortex, but I'd much appreciate a lead. I 
delayed buying one until they went out of production. (of course!) After hearing
you all wax poetic about them I think I'd better get one soon.

Kind Regards,
-Miko Biffle     "Running scared from all the usual distractions."
mike.biffle@wj.com         
408.439.4622

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:07:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIvanBerk@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 or 7.6
Message-ID: <970910140428_1627553235@emout07.mail.aol.com>

Last I was there, Rogue Music in NYC (they're on the 'Net as
www.roguemusic.com) had a 7.6 in stock, for around $200.  Please buy it so I
don't have to...

Mike

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:09:53 -0400
From: alan s cohen <i000371@disch3.disc.dla.mil>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: subscriber
Message-Id: <E0x8rCb-0000EQ-00@ferret>

Hi. I just read about Loopers Delight in Elephant Talk and would like to 
subscribe.  Thank you.

Alan


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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:09:17 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks
Message-Id: <v03102801b03c90cb5e5b@[207.171.198.62]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 9:42 AM +0000 9/10/97, Phil Diem wrote:
>Hi Paul, welcome to the list!
>
>Would you mind elaborating a little bit more on the results of your
>search for Echoplexs - where you found them, cost? There seem to be a few
>people on the list who are also searching for plexs (and jammen, vortexs,
>ect.) and for a variety of reasons, these units are difficult to come by.

One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer
with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to
meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any
given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be
getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this
is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:56:59 -0400
From: Len Seligman <seligman@mitre.org>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: finding Echoplexes
Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970910145659.006f4724@dharma.mitre.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 11:09 AM 9/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer
>with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to
>meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any
>given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be
>getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this
>is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them.
>
>kim

FYI, I called a Gibson 800 number and they gave me a list of dealers, but
(1) they had no idea about which dealers had any stock (basically *none* of
them) and (2) a couple of the dealers they listed told me they no longer
carried Oberheim products.

But I agree with Kim that its worth calling them so Gibson knows there's a
demand.

-Len

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Date: 10 Sep 1997 14:07:18 -0700
From: "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Travis@msgate.apple.com>
To: "Loopers Delight postings" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Vortices FS
Message-ID: <n1338229074.4504@msgate.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body"

Someone was asking where to find the legendary Vortex.  Here's a few
for sale on Harmony Central:

LEXICON VORTEX

Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

excellent condition
with pedal. pwr suply, manual
looks like new, sounds GREAT
very analog sounding delays
really great modulation efx
set delay setting by finger or foot tap function
very straight ahead sounds and some very out there stuff
2 sec loop, expression pedal available
I will ship it to you for $250

Seller: steve tanner, 518-899-5020
E-mail: gtrwrk@aol.com
Post Date: 9/8/97

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Lexicon Vortex

Asking Price: US$250
Condition: Excellent
Age: N/A
Description:

Like new in orig box...foot pedal (1) power supply (1)
and manual (had water spilled on it...some pages stuck together)
Price is firm at $250...if you prepay I'll split 2 day air with
you...no
cod's...takes too long and I've been burned (once but that was
enough)I'm selling it because I have one already.
Yes...they are everything you've heard and more...the best effects
baragain available for $250. Vortex RULES.

Seller: Roland Eberle,
E-mail: roland@ccnet.com
Location: HAYWARD, CA
Post Date: 9/7/97

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LEXICON VORTEX

Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

excellent condition VORTEX
pedal, manual, pwr suply
expression pedal avail
very unique, GREAT sound
analog souding delays and modulation efx
will ship it to you for $250

Seller: Sean McMillin, (916) 446-4788
E-mail: monadman@aol.com
Location: SACRAMENTO, CA
Post Date: 9/8/97

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:38:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net>
To: Loopers Delight postings <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Vortex question
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.970910153735.26324B-100000@apollo.gti.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

How long of a delay does the Vortex have?



steve d           
         

            skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain

                     http://www.gti.net/skullsaw

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:48:01 -0400
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata)
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Vortex question
Message-ID: <01BCBE00.EC5B11C0@mark.asisoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Slightly less than 2 seconds.  1.8 or 1.9 seconds.

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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From: 	Steven Dubofsky[SMTP:skullsaw@gti.net]
Sent: 	Wednesday, September 10, 1997 11:38 AM
To: 	Loopers Delight postings
Subject: 	Vortex question


How long of a delay does the Vortex have?



steve d           
         

            skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain

                     http://www.gti.net/skullsaw

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:44:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIvanBerk@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for looping
Message-ID: <970910154116_776996127@emout05.mail.aol.com>

I'm new to the list, but I'm a huge fan of the Digitech stuff, so hello all
and...

The long Digitech delays (PDS8000 pedal, and the Time Machine RDS8000 and
7.6) are great for looping, so long as you're not worried about rhythmic
accuracy.  If you're interested in ambience, they're perfect, and you can do
something neither the Echoplex nor the JamMan allow you to do -- reach over
(or down, as the case may be) twist a knob, and tweak the delay time from 2
seconds down to eight, or vice versa, turning sprightly melodies into muddy
sludge or producing those Bill Frisell-oid high-pitched shrieks w/o having to
shell out a grand for an EH 16-second delay (PDS and RDS units are generally
available in the $150-$200 range)

Actually, in my current looping rig, I have an RDS8000 feeding an Oberheim
Echoplex -- best of both worlds, IMHO.

Has anyone played with one of the new Korg 10-second delays, by the way?

Mike

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 14:47:19 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Vortex question
Message-Id: <199709101944.MAA14094@scv1.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

>
>How long of a delay does the Vortex have?
>
>
About 1.8 seconds.

Travis

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:52:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net>
To: Loopers Delight postings <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Vortex question has been answered - thanks
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.970910155215.26324E-100000@apollo.gti.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Steven Dubofsky wrote:

Thanks for the info.


> 
> How long of a delay does the Vortex have?
> 
> 
> 
> steve d           
>          
> 
>             skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain
> 
>                      http://www.gti.net/skullsaw
> 
> 

steve d           
         

            skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain

                     http://www.gti.net/skullsaw

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 16:45:22 -0000
From: Phil Diem <pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks
Message-Id: <m0x8tZ8-000RXAC@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Kim Flint replied:

>One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer
>with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to
>meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any
>given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be
>getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this
>is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them.

>kim

Thanks for the suggestion Kim. Problem is I've already tried this 
approach, which ultimately resulted in my meeting with the District Sales 
Manager, Jerry Lambert a couple of weeks back.
He says that they're way behind in production and wasn't very hopeful or 
helpfull in regards to instant gratification. 

I'm actually quite happy with my jamthings for now, but I have friends 
who would buy jam or plex if they could find them. It's REALLY too bad 
that these are so hard to get as everybody who hooks up to one seems to 
create something different. They are really expressive toys!

Phil

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:57:36 -0500
From: Randy Jones <ranjones@texas.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com,
        "Loopers Delight postings" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: How I got mine.
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970910175734.00925100@texas.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello friends,

Bought Echoplex digital pro by setting http://www.dejanews.com as my start
page. Every morning I typed in Echoplex in the search box. Finally found
someone wanting to sell. By the time I had emailed interest, he had 3
people in front of me. I offered to Airborne a money order overnight w/ a
return label if he would box it up. Called airborne and they agreed for the
guy to wait for package opening and labeling (one stop-all at my expense
$34 +- shipping). Paid $400 for the Digital Pro w/ footpedal and 50 sec of
loop time.  Bought a Vortex the same way. Paid $225 + the $35.  I know
thats a lot, but after playing with it, I ran across a couple at a used
gear shop. Bought them for $135 each. Took one to my girlfriends house. The
other two I plan to hook up to an old 4 channel stereo and see if I can
freak myself out.  

Randy

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:04:08 -0700
From: "Julia & Dave" <jndk@colba.net>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Vortex flaw?
Message-Id: <199709110304.XAA23354@mail.colba.net>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi, 

I just got my Vortex today, everything is O.K. with it except the
looping.  It seems that when I switch the feedback from 63 to 64
for infinite repeat, the loops don't always hold.

A friend of mine with an LXP-5 says he has the same problem.
Is this a bug?

Otherwise, the unit is amazing.

Also, I think I'll be building that knobby box now...  I don't
like volume pedals and I know I'm not hearing the full picture
by just triggering the morph from the front panel.

Bleen, Bleeeeeeeeeen,


D 4 V 1 D    K R 1 5 T 1 4 N
 
                                              "The most remarkable aspect
of today's artistic 
                                                environment is the
coexistence of so many
                                                centuries at the same
moment."   
                                                                           
          ---   Joel Chadabe (1971)                                        
                           

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:18:08 +0100
From: vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex flaw?
Message-Id: <v01520d02b03cbe1da661@[206.156.104.126]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Hi,
>
>I just got my Vortex today, everything is O.K. with it except the
>looping.  It seems that when I switch the feedback from 63 to 64
>for infinite repeat, the loops don't always hold.
>
>A friend of mine with an LXP-5 says he has the same problem.
>Is this a bug?

Mine does too. Always just figured that the infinite repeat at 64 cant be
"switched to" from another edit setting (with a loop in progress) and is
meant to be used on its own for looping purposes. Bleened and Confused,
B.P.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:46:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Friday gig
Message-ID: <970910183623_1820246479@emout11.mail.aol.com>

Exploratory fusioneers "Adelante" will be at "CoffeeTalk" in Stone Harbour,
N.J. Fri. Sept. 12, 8:00pm.  Call (609)368-5282 for info/directions.
 "Adelante" is:

Jody Jannetta - Drums/Percussion
Paul Mimlitsch- Chapman Stick/Loops
Ralph Anastasio-Bass
Michael Robbins-Violin/Viola

We'll also be at "Border's Books and Music" in Marlton N.J. Nov. 14.  More
info later.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:32:18 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Looping Synth
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970911083022.14195B-100000@lovelace.infobiogen.fr>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hey! Looks like the curse of guitarist only looping is ending!
Grab this guy! don't let him fly away!

Olivier Malhomme

""Hi,

I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was
just
wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers.

I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a
Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my
sources are mostly  EMS VCS-3 and custom modules.  The closest I come
to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a
controller.

To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence.""

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:37:43 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970911083603.14195C-100000@lovelace.infobiogen.fr>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

AAARgh!, I'm too looking for a second hand one (sorry, not two for the
moment. Maybe it'll make me look like a sissy?)
Ideas? Seen anything? 


Olivier malhomme

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:53:19 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks
Message-Id: <v03102800b03d3efe2c76@[207.171.198.62]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 4:45 PM +0000 9/10/97, Phil Diem wrote:
>Kim Flint replied:
>
>>One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer
>>with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to
>>meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any
>>given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be
>>getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this
>>is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them.
>
>>kim
>
>Thanks for the suggestion Kim. Problem is I've already tried this
>approach, which ultimately resulted in my meeting with the District Sales
>Manager, Jerry Lambert a couple of weeks back.
>He says that they're way behind in production and wasn't very hopeful or
>helpfull in regards to instant gratification.

Well, perhaps we need to reverse the motivation for calling Gibson. The
main priority ought to be showing them that there is demand for the
echoplex and encouraging them to keep making echoplexes and similar
products. (i.e. not pulling a lexicon, to coin a phrase...;-)   The
secondary motivation would then be to find one for your self.

The more the gibson sales people are hearing from customers about it, the
more they will pressure the production people to get their act together. It
doesn't take a lot really, because the vast majority of customers never
contact manufacturers. The few who do help them define what the market is
looking for. I think the main reason gibson is producing echoplexes at all
these days is because of the interest shown by people on this list. And
they have recently been putting some effort into increasing the production,
so it does work.

Getting through to a DSM is certainly a good start. A guy like that is
thinking Les Pauls most of the time. Getting him to think about looping
products for the other part can make a big difference. So I guess you're
off to a good start there, keep it up!

kim

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Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
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http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:36:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Digitech RDS/PDS Series 
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970911063222.7150A-100000@ari.ari.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I have an RDS-8000 which I picked up for under $100 at a pawn shop back in
March thanks to the observant eye of another member of this list. I'm just
curious if anyone knows what the sampling rate for these suckers is. I
haven't found any mention of it. Anyone know?


-Adam

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       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 
                           becomes a Hearer."
                           - Chandrakirti

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06:56 -0400
From: David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exapps.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: New Korg DL8000R 
Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486AF@MAIL>
Content-Type: text/plain

For those interested in the new Korg DL8000R, I have learned the device
is due to the Guitar Center chain mid-October and is expected to be
prices at about $600.  

>From the description, it sounds very Vortex-y.

 http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:12:04 -0400
From: David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exapps.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Q.  Loop labels anyone...?
Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486B0@MAIL>
Content-Type: text/plain

I'm generating a lot of cool non-beat ambient-esque loops I'd like to
release to the world.  Probably a situation common to many here on the
list.

Does anyone have some leads or directions on labels interested in this
genre worth contacting...

David Kirkdorffer
UNDO

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:46:20 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com>
To: "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com>, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Vortex flaw?
Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290E20C1@NTSRV2>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hello gentleman,

Please let me know specifically what patches you are using so I can
determine if there are problems with your machines.  This way I might be
able to help you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

> ----------
> From: 	vajra1@mho.net[SMTP:vajra1@mho.net]
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, September 11, 1997 12:03 AM
> To: 	GHogan@lexicon.com
> Subject: 	Re: Vortex flaw?
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I just got my Vortex today, everything is O.K. with it except the
> >looping.  It seems that when I switch the feedback from 63 to 64
> >for infinite repeat, the loops don't always hold.
> >
> >A friend of mine with an LXP-5 says he has the same problem.
> >Is this a bug?
> 
> Mine does too. Always just figured that the infinite repeat at 64 cant
> be
> "switched to" from another edit setting (with a loop in progress) and
> is
> meant to be used on its own for looping purposes. Bleened and
> Confused,
> B.P.
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06:48 -0400
From: verner@infinitesound.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970911090648.0069da54@infinitesound.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I think it is 8 bit. I know the 7.6 is 8 bit and they are both similar.

J. Arif Verner


I have an RDS-8000 which I picked up for under $100 at a pawn shop back in
March thanks to the observant eye of another member of this list. I'm just
curious if anyone knows what the sampling rate for these suckers is. I
haven't found any mention of it. Anyone know?

-Adam
__________________________________________________________________

Infinite Sound Studio
Ithaca, New York
http://www.infinitesound.com

"After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is
music."
                              -Aldous Huxley 

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:39:53 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Q.  Loop labels anyone...?
Message-Id: <199709111531.IAA23771@gw1.bi-tech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> From: David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exapps.com>

> I'm generating a lot of cool non-beat ambient-esque loops I'd like to
> release to the world.  Probably a situation common to many here on the
> list.
> 
> Does anyone have some leads or directions on labels interested in this
> genre worth contacting...

Not that my label is anything big....but we are set-up to take credit card
orders and have an 800#.  I'd be willing to talk to anyone wishing to get
set-up.  Currently we deal with bands on a consignment basis....and if you
have a web page the service is free.

Matt

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