------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 150 Today's Topics: Re: Q. Loop labels anyone...? [ "Matt McCabe" ] Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series [ Ed Drake ] RE: Q. Loop labels anyone...? [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer A [ David Kirkdorffer ] Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series [ Adam Levin ] Cheap Vortex FS $140 [ "Hartnett, Travis" ] Re: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex [ KILLINFO@aol.com ] Re: Echoplex Sources [ "Paul J. Dresher" ] RE: Another one... [ "Hogan, Greg" ] Re: Another one... [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] upgrading the Jamman [ Tom Bickley ] The EDP Questionnaire -- Update [ David Kirkdorffer To: Subject: Re: Q. Loop labels anyone...? Message-Id: <199709111543.IAA23964@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Not that my label is anything big....but we are set-up to take credit card > orders and have an 800#. I'd be willing to talk to anyone wishing to get > set-up. Currently we deal with bands on a consignment basis....and if you > have a web page the service is free. Uhhhh....feel free to check out our web page at http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon to see what we are about. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:59:38 -0500 From: Ed Drake To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Regarding the sampling rate of Digitech RDS 800 , J. Arif Verner said: >I think it is 8 bit. I know the 7.6 is 8 bit and they are both similar. My manual for the RDS 8000 says ".....The entire series of Time Machines now run with 12-bit VLSI engines for quieter, smoother performance...." Also it says in Specifications for Frequency Response: RDS-1000/4000---- 20 Hz to 10 kHz RDS-2000/8000---- 20 Hz to 16 kHz I don't know if any of this is applicable to the 7.6 or PDS pedals Hope this is helpful Ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:39:21 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Q. Loop labels anyone...? Message-ID: <01BCBEAF.BBBB4DA0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What ever happened to the Loopers-Delight CD project? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Matt McCabe[SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Q. Loop labels anyone...? > Not that my label is anything big....but we are set-up to take credit card > orders and have an 800#. I'd be willing to talk to anyone wishing to get > set-up. Currently we deal with bands on a consignment basis....and if you > have a web page the service is free. Uhhhh....feel free to check out our web page at http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon to see what we are about. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:35:13 -0400 From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer ASAP Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486B9@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain It seems if Oberheim is "backed-up" with orders, then there is pent-up demand in the "system." This is good news! I wonder if there is more demand that Gibson is aware of... Informal Poll: I'm curious -- Please answer the following questions and send them back to ME ( N O T Loopers List). I will summarize results and get back to the list -- and GIBSON. Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man Boomerrang other? (list them!) Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes no (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com I want to have all replies by Friday 12:00noon US East Coast Time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:44:43 +0200 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Subject: Echoplex news???? Message-ID: <19970911174442828.AAA105@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ANy news about Echoplex shipping in Europe??? thanks leo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Ed Drake wrote: > My manual for the RDS 8000 says ".....The entire series of Time Machines > now run with 12-bit VLSI engines for quieter, smoother performance...." > > Also it says in Specifications for Frequency Response: > > RDS-1000/4000---- 20 Hz to 10 kHz > RDS-2000/8000---- 20 Hz to 16 kHz Well that's kind of disheartening. I was thinking that because it was kind of old that it must not have a very good frequency response, so if I got a Boomerang it would be an upgrade, but I guess not. 8( Hey Boomerang folks, I'd like to add another voice to the pack suggesting an option to halve the loop time/double the frequency response. This is the only thing that's preventing me (and as it appears from comments on here, quite a few others) from purchasing a Boomerang. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 1997 13:48:04 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" To: "Loopers Delight postings" Subject: Cheap Vortex FS $140 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Probably gone by now: Article Next Article Current Results View Thread Post Message Subject: F.S. Vortex & GSP-7 From: nbarker@mindspring.com (Nick Barker) Date: 1997/08/05 Message-Id: <33e72258.1877557@news.mindspring.com> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace [More Headers] Lexicon Vortex w/both pedals,box,manual,ect super cool effect $140.00 Digitech GSP-7 , Does it all ..Dist,chorus,reverb,delays, 128 settings....$100.00 If interested email nbarker@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:05:13 -0400 From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer ASAP Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486C2@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain Just in case you were holding back, this is a questionnaire for ALL readers of the Loopers-Delight e-lists -- not just EchoplexDP-oriented folks. It is interesting to see how many people have which looping tools (Q5.) So far I've received 13 (oooh!!) responses. I'll compile responses and forward to the list for review. David I'm curious -- Please answer the following questions and send them back to ME ( N O T Loopers List). I will summarize results and get back to the list -- and GIBSON. Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man Boomerrang other? (list them!) Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes no (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com I want to have all replies by Friday 12:00noon US East Coast Time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:39:20 -0700 From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer ASAP Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC36D195@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man 1 Boomerrang other? Boss Delay/Reverb 1 Vortex 1 Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? JamMan (etc) lack adequate real time control Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? San mateo CA, usa > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 2:11 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: FW: EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer ASAP > > Just in case you were holding back, this is a questionnaire for ALL > readers of the Loopers-Delight e-lists -- not just EchoplexDP-oriented > folks. > > It is interesting to see how many people have which looping tools > (Q5.) > > So far I've received 13 (oooh!!) responses. I'll compile responses > and > forward to the list for review. > > David > > > I'm curious -- Please answer the following questions and send them > back > to ME ( N O T Loopers List). I will summarize results and get back > to > the list -- and GIBSON. > > > Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no > > > Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no > > Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no > > > Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes > no > > Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no > Q4a. How many? > > Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no > Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own > > Looper Quantity > Jam Man > Boomerrang > other? (list them!) > > Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no > > Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex > DP tomorrow? yes no > (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- > 10%) > > > Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? > > > Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? > > > Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com > > > I want to have all replies by Friday 12:00noon US East Coast Time. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:28:22 -0400 (EDT) From: KILLINFO@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex for Sale? Message-ID: <970911222120_1362945137@emout15.mail.aol.com> Greeting Loopersons, I must be a little slow on the uptake here or something. A few days ago an SOS for EDP purchase assistance was put on the list by a fellow named Paul Dresher. Paul is a former analog tape looper of some renown. I, in fact saw him perform years ago in an art museum performance in Southern California that was absolutely stunning! That performance (and the few of his recordings I've been able to find) have been a great insiration to me ever since. As I remember (at that particular time) he was using a multitrack reel-to-reel system (not altogether unlike Fripp's) but with some additional features including of a bank of footpedals to operate volume faders for each track. But, more impressive than the rig was the music itself. It would be an injustice for me to even begin to describe so...I won't. You owe it to youselves to check this guy out. He's got a disc or two out out on the New Albion label and a few others elsewhere I believe. He's a composer who has pretty thouroughly plummed the depths of looping as a musical concept and now he's joining the ranks of us digital loopers...hmmmm interesting Ciao, Ted Killian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:15:02 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Echoplex Sources Message-ID: <199709120115_MC2-201A-4583@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Loopers: My successful search for the Echoplex was consumated (through the post on this list) through the help of Rik Elswit, at Bananas At Large, an excellent equipment store in San Rafael, CA. Here are his numbers: (forgive me Rik if this causes a deluge of commications). Bananas At Large 415-457-7600 rik@well.com bananas@bananas.com Prices: New unit, w/o foot pedal - $649 Used unit - with foot pedal and fully loaded with RAM - $669 (obviously the prices of used units are holding up, supply and demand I guess) I don't think they have any more units at present but I get the feeling that Rik/Bananas seems to regularly deal in these units. (I'm still hoping for the foot controller for the new unit). In my search, I tried all my usual sources, mail order places etc and most of them don't carry Oberheim gear at all and the one or two who did hadn't seen an Echoplex in many months and had no idea when or if more were coming. I love the units, they work better than expected and are deep with compositional potential! If I disappear from the list for a while its because I'm locked away with my guitar and the two units working on a piece. Thanks for all the help. It seems the request generated a lot of discussion about the availability of these units. I hope our mutual and intense interest can influence Gibson to start making these units in larger numbers. I don't want to sound greedy, but I already want more. Paul Dresher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:34:20 -0400 (EDT) From: KelRey@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New software Message-ID: <970912073031_1795682208@emout05.mail.aol.com> I just have reeived the new software upgrade V 5 for the Plex. I didnt get any documentation. Does any one how to get documentation on the changes in the new upgrade. Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:01:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PDS VS RDS Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I need light, people. What is the difference between a RDS and PDS machine you were mostly all refering about lately? Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:06:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Another one... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Again still asking. I've seen recently a second hand LXP1 and LXP5 for the same price. Doeas anyone could tell me the differences between these two babies??? Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 or 7.6 Message-ID: <970910212145_535141570@emout18.mail.aol.com> Hey, I have the RDS8000 and the Jamman, go with the Jamman and forget the price. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:52:41 -0400 From: verner@infinitesound.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another one... Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970912085241.00693e0c@infinitesound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The LXP-1 is just reverbs, the LXP-5 is multi-effects (it also has reverbs). Also check out the LXP-15, which is both units combined. The LXP-15 II upgrade is supposed to be better than the original. Arif Again still asking. I've seen recently a second hand LXP1 and LXP5 for the same price. Doeas anyone could tell me the differences between these two babies??? Olivier Malhomme ____________________________________________________________________ Infinite Sound Studio Ithaca, New York http://www.infinitesound.com "After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." -Aldous Huxley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:06:19 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: PDS VS RDS Message-ID: <01BCBF5B.23BF4CC0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RDS = rack mounted PDS = pedal (stomp box) Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Olivier Malhomme[SMTP:malhomme@infobiogen.fr] Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PDS VS RDS I need light, people. What is the difference between a RDS and PDS machine you were mostly all refering about lately? Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:26:07 -0400 From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Another one... Message-ID: <199709120931_MC2-202D-F16A@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Arif writes: >The LXP-1 is just reverbs, the LXP-5 is multi-effects (it also has >reverbs). Also check out the LXP-15, which is both units combined. >The LXP-15 II upgrade is supposed to be better than the original. This is essentially correct, though the LXP-1 features reverbs, chorus, delays (about 1.5 sec, as I recall) and the LXP-5 has pitch shifting, chorsus, delays, and other effectoid type things along with some reverb, and the most unfriendly interface Lex ever created (IMO). The LXP-15 had all of the nearly all the algorithms from the 1 & 5 (sans inverse verb) and a really intuitive interface (IMO). And the version 2 software was a *major* improvement, in a whole lot of areas, mostly program loading, and editing. Oh yeah, Hi Arif! Long time no chat... Later, Jon Durant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:20:34 -0500 From: Scott Wilson To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Another one... Message-ID: <01BCBF5D.20A0BCC0@NightOwl.MS.Uwohali.Com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCBF5D.20A9E480" I didn't get a chance to hear your whole CD, but I enjoyed the stuff on the Alchemical Samplings CD... just wanted to drop a note... -Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:27:03 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Another one... Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290E8C27@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain The LXP15 is not a combination of the 1 and the 5. It offers three of the LXP1 algorithms and both of the algorithms from the LXP5 but it is only one processors so you can not run more than one algorithm at a time. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 > ---------- > From: verner@infinitesound.com[SMTP:verner@infinitesound.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 8:55 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: Another one... > > The LXP-1 is just reverbs, the LXP-5 is multi-effects (it also has > reverbs). Also check out the LXP-15, which is both units combined. > The LXP-15 II upgrade is supposed to be better than the original. > > Arif > > > Again still asking. I've seen recently a second hand LXP1 and LXP5 for > the > same price. Doeas anyone could tell me the differences between these > two > babies??? > Olivier Malhomme > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Infinite Sound Studio > Ithaca, New York > http://www.infinitesound.com > > "After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the > inexpressible is > music." > -Aldous Huxley > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:11:51 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another one... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Again still asking. I've seen recently a second hand LXP1 and LXP5 for the >same price. Doeas anyone could tell me the differences between these two >babies??? >Olivier Malhomme The LXP-1 is strictly reverbs and delays. The LXP-5 is a multieffect with a fixed chain of effects: mono-delay (slightly longer than 1 second, and loopable) -> pitch shifter (very clean and smooth sounding) -> stereo delay (1/2 second, no feedback) -> reverb (sounds very warm and smooth, for such a cheap unit) -> eq. I absolutely love the LXP-5, it's one piece of gear that I'll never part with. If you can find the MRC controller for it, programming is much easier, and it makes it a very versatile live-performance machine. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Bickley To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" cc: glarson@artswire.org Subject: upgrading the Jamman Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm enjoying the traffic on this list very much, and I'll emerge from lurking to say, My set of four upgrade chips to expand my Jamman from 8 to 32 seconds just arrived from Rogue Music. I'll have some time this evening to install them. Any words of advice before I go at it? Thanks in advance! -Tom * "New music:new listening" -John Cage * tbickley@artswire.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:42:55 -0400 From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: The EDP Questionnaire -- Update Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486CD@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain Just to let readers know, I've received about 30ish responses to my off-the-cuff questions. I plan to data into a spread sheet and see what story emerges. I'll see about getting the raw data out to the list (minus the names of respondents), so everyone can have a crack at interpretation. I'm shooting for Monday. I will also try to get the results into the hands of folks in Marketing at Gibson. After we've all had a chance to chew on things a bit... So, if you haven't already sent in your responses. I'll keep the door open until 4:00pm this afternoon. Thanks to all of you - JamMen, DigiFolk, EvenTiders, Votexians, and Oberpeople. David Kirkdorffer Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man Boomerrang other? (list them!) Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes no (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com --------------------------------