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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 153

Today's Topics:
  Re: Echoplex upgrade                  [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: looping voice ideas               [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  R: FS VORTEX                          [ "Stefano Voulaz" <voulaz@korg.it> ]
  Re: looping voice ideas               [ Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT> ]
  ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Messag  [ nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK ]
  more questions                        [ Erik Ljones <eriklj@stud.ntnu.no> ]
  Echoplex Questionnaire results -- so  [ David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exa ]
  ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Messag  [ nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK ]
  Re:EUROplexes( was: looping voice id  [ Erik Ljones <eriklj@stud.ntnu.no> ]
  Echoplex DP Overdub Problem           [ Arthur Gatesy <amg@Cadence.COM> ]
  RE: Torn suggestions                  [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  RE: Torn suggestions                  [ "Joseph Buck" <josephbuck@hotmail.c ]
  RE: Torn suggestions                  [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.cal ]
  Re: Echoplex DP Overdub Problem       [ Rik Elswit <rik@well.com> ]
  Info on Echoplex upgrade availabilit  [ "Paul J. Dresher" <PaulDresher@comp ]
  Re: Echoplex DP Overdub Problem       [ Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> ]
  Re: Echoplex DP Overdub Problem       [ Arthur Gatesy <amg@Cadence.COM> ]
  Studio Quad                           [ "The Negative Eye" <juma@cyberia.ne ]
  jammidimystery                        [ Phil Diem <pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.e ]

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:58:23 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex upgrade
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Roland said:
>Kim or anyone...
>
>I just acquired a used plex...and on power up the software version shows
>3.0
>Is there any problem upgrading to the new v 5.0? or do I have to acquire
>3.2 first?

you can go straight to 5.0, no need for 3.2.

>Can anyone confirm that Gibson has these upgrades in stock and ready to
>ship?

I'm not sure if the customer service people have them ready in Nashville.
They were supposed to have them ready by now, so if they don't they are
very close. I know they were programming a big lot of chips a couple of
weeks ago for it. Call them to check or put your order in, 510-635-9633.
(that's actually an Oakland number but it should automatically redirect you
to OB customer service in Nashville.) There is also an 800 number,
800-279-4346, probably goes to the same place.


>
>Also..and I know this has been answered before probably but, as far as
>upgrading
>memory goes...is there any problem using 4x9 (parity) 30 pin simms (60
>ns)?

no problem, that should be fine. 4x8, 4x9, parity, non-parity, 2 chips, 3
chips; all should work.

>(is it possible for any older device to have architecture too slow to
>keep up with
>newer faster memory chips?)...Seems like all I can find are these newer
>60ns parity chips...about $80 bucks for 16 megs on four simms...is that
>a decent price?

sounds like a good price to me.

>will these new fast chips work appreciably better than some older 100 ns
>3 chip non parity simms?  I KNOW there must be some used or NOS 30 pin
>simms out there
>but I aint finding them.

They should work the same. If some dealer ever tries to sell you special
"echoplex" simms, or simms in "matched pairs,"  or any sort of simm that is
claimed to produce better quality audio and therefore is more expensive,
please laugh at him for me. Then tell him he is an idiot.

kim

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:41:23 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping voice ideas
Message-Id: <v03102807b0428735c07d@[207.171.198.118]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 12:51 AM -0400 9/15/97, Russell Gorton wrote:

>4) I like looping tv voices and playing them backwards.  Classic ambient
>technique...nothing like good old backwards play!  It worked for the
>Beatles AND Judas Priest!

Hey! We didn't put reverse in there so you could easily make satanic
records like those evil heavy metal bands, why I......oh, wait....yes that
is why we put reverse in there. never mind.... ;-)

hmm, wonder where my Slayer records are.....

kim

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:37:19 +0200
From: "Stefano Voulaz" <voulaz@korg.it>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: R: FS VORTEX
Message-Id: <19970915103642.0d8463bc.in@mail.korg.it>
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Hi Bruce!
Interested in selling your Vortex to Italy? I'm looking for one, but here is
VERY hard to find... Please let me know.

Ciao!
Stefano (The Uncle) 8^)#

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:06:57 +0200
From: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping voice ideas
Message-ID: <19970915130655046.AAB166@Default>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi all

Some days ago I've suggested to my singer to try out a pedal effects chain
(boss type) VS a rack mounted iper mega ultra clean studio enhanced effect. 
For radical use there's no better. And suggesting him to add a digital
delay/reverb (from boss, don't remember the name) with 2 secs of looping
capabilities to his distortion, flanger, etc. pedals, I've opened him the
door to a whole new universe. 
He just phoned me with enthustiastic words while a dense, growing voice loop
was running through his house stereo system.

What a satisfaction....

ciao
leo

PS any news for updated EUROplexes???  

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At 10:31 PM 9/13/97 -0700, Kim wrote:
>
>Since I'm going to the trouble, anything specific you would like to have in
>the upgrade docs?
>

Yes - where to get the upgrade, user-installable.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:17:02 +0200
From: Erik Ljones <eriklj@stud.ntnu.no>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: more questions
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Could someone please pick up a copy of Robert Fripps Radiophonics
soundscape, and tell what is going on on track #5? I kind of like it.
Saw an add for a jamman the other day. Is bying it a good idea when I'm
already getting an Echoplex? Do these units work well together? I'm not
really in a hurry, so I was wondering if waiting for another Echoplex to
come by is a better thing to do? How is syncronization of the units done in
these two cases?
Also, I'm under the impression that the music of David Torn is worth
checking out. Could someone please recomend a good starting point? Thanks.

Erik Ljones (Norway)

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:06:23 -0400
From: David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exapps.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Echoplex Questionnaire results -- soon!
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Hello from questionnaire tabulation central.   And thank you to the 48
who responded to the Echoplex DP questionnaire I submitted on Thursday.


Now, I promised to post the results today - but after spending quite a
bit of time on it this weekend, I'm going to ask your indulgence of a
day or two more so I can finish what I've started - I'm so close to
done!   What's causing the delay is I've tried to write a report
deliverable to managers at Gibson.

The sample of 48 cases is quite small, so the study can only be fairly
used to indicate trends.  However, let me lay on you a few findings,
just to give you an idea of what can be gleaned.

A. Looper Device Market Penetration

I'll let the chart speak for itself

Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own?

				No. Devices	% Devices
				Owned		Owned

Oberheim Echoplex DP		13		14.6
All Lexicon Total		47		52.8
All Digitech Total		11		12.4
All Eventide Total		5		5.6
All Boss Total			2		2.2
All Other Total			11		12.4
Grand Total			89		100.0


    	Number of Devices Owned	Percent of Owned Loopers	
Oberheim Echoplex DP	13	14.6	
All Lexicon Total	47	52.8	
All Digitech Total	11	12.4	
All Eventide Total	5	5.6	
All Boss Total	2	2.2	
All Other Total	11	12.4	
Grand Total	89	100.0	


And separately, 

Looking at the 23 JamMan owners, 9 (39.1%) would buy EDP at $700.
Looking at the 14 Vortex owners, 8 (57.1%) would buy EDP at $700.
Looking at the 10 Digitech looping device owners, five (50%) would buy
EDP at $700
Looking at the 21 people who own more than one looping device (other
than an EDP), 10 (47.6%) would buy EDP at $700.
Looking at the 10 people who own more than two looping devices (other
than an EDP), 7 (70.0%) would buy EDP at $700


OK - so I'll try and get the final report to you all ASAP.  And if
anyone has names and FAX numbers for the Gibson managers in charge of
the EDP, please let me know.

David Kirkdorffer

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David,
        Just an amusing side note.  On Thursday, when I answered your
questionnaire, I said I had one on order as my answer to "would you buy one
tomorrow".  Well, Friday I got a call from Mr. Music and lo, it was in.  So
I did buy one tomorrow.  Now all I need to do is upgrade the memory.

Frank Gerace
Dreamchild

 
At 01:42 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Just to let readers know, I've received about 30ish responses to my
>off-the-cuff questions.  I plan to data into a spread sheet and see what
>story emerges.  I'll see about getting the raw data out to the list
>(minus the names of respondents), so everyone can have a crack at
>interpretation.  I'm shooting for Monday.
>
>I will also try to get the results into the hands of folks in Marketing
>at Gibson. After we've all had a chance to chew on things a bit...
>
>So, if you haven't already sent in your responses.   I'll keep the door
>open until 4:00pm this afternoon.
>
>Thanks to all of you 
>
>- JamMen, DigiFolk, EvenTiders, Votexians, and Oberpeople.
>
>David Kirkdorffer
>
>
>Q1	Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP?	yes	no
>
>
>Q2	Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? 	yes	no
>
>Q2a. 	Would you like to try an Echoplex DP?	yes	no
>
>
>Q3.	Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP?	yes
>no			
>
>Q4.	Do you currently own an Echoplex DP?	yes	no
>Q4a.	How many?
>	
>Q5	Do you currently own other LOOPing tools?	yes	no
>Q5a.     Please list the other Loopers you own	
>
>	Looper			Quantity
>	Jam Man			
>	Boomerrang
>	other? (list them!)
>
>Q6.	Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP?	yes 	no
>
>Q7.	If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex
>DP tomorrow?	yes 	no
>	(Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700  +/-
>10%)
>
>
>Q8;	Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP?
>
>
>Q9.	What City, State, and Country are you in?
>
>
>Again, please send your replies ASAP to:  dkirkdorffer@exapps.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:59:02 +0200
From: Erik Ljones <eriklj@stud.ntnu.no>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:EUROplexes( was: looping voice ideas)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970915175902.00719578@pop.stud.ntnu.no>
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Leonardo wrote:
>PS any news for updated EUROplexes??? 

According to the people at Gibson, back ordered Echoplexes will (quote)
"hopefully" be shipped to Europe from USA by the end of this month. This is
the same thing they said last month, the month before that, 3 months
ago...I wouldn't get my hopes up. I'm sure the demand for Echoplexes is so
big in the United States, that by the time they get to think of us European
Loopers, there won't be any left. I hope to be proven wrong on this though...

Erik (Norway)

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:51:03 -0700
From: Arthur Gatesy <amg@Cadence.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: amg@cds9373.Cadence.COM
Subject: Echoplex DP Overdub Problem
Message-Id: <199709151751.KAA15902@cds9373.Cadence.COM>

My echoplex digital pro seems to be stuck in overdub mode -
has anyone else seen this problem? The echoplex (about 3 months old) 
worked fine until a few days ago.

After recording a loop, everything else I play ends
up as an overdub (without hitting any buttons).  I've reset the 
parameters to the factory defaults and double-checked the 
OverdubMode parameter, but their settings seem OK.

I called Oberheim technical support this morning, and they 
recommended Wizard Electronics in Atlanta (I'm in northern CA).
Has anyone dealt with this place?

Thanks,

-Art Gatesy

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:49:21 -0400
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Torn suggestions
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_WV1-970915184921Z-4286@exchange_wv1.ATK.COM>

>>>>>quote>>>>
>Also, I'm under the impression that the music of David Torn is worth
>checking out. Could someone please recomend a good starting point? Thanks.
>
>Erik Ljones (Norway)
>
>
<<<<end quote<<<<

My favorite Torn CD is  "Cloud About Mercury"
"Polytown" is good as well.

>

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:08:20 PDT
From: "Joseph Buck" <josephbuck@hotmail.com>
To: John_Ott@ATK.COM, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Torn suggestions
Message-ID: <19970915190820.28260.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

actually I think What Means Solid, Traveller? crushes everything in its 
wake....

salam kidlets,

buckness

>>Also, I'm under the impression that the music of David Torn is worth
>>checking out. Could someone please recomend a good starting point? 
Thanks.
>>
>>Erik Ljones (Norway)
>>
>>
><<<<end quote<<<<
>
>My favorite Torn CD is  "Cloud About Mercury"
>"Polytown" is good as well.
>
>>
>
>


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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.calarts.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Torn suggestions
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970915130046.28132A-100000@shoko.calarts.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Torn's albums are all quite different, and no two sound very similar. 
_What Means Solid, Traveller_ is probably the most... well, _most_ overall
in terms of the depth and breadth of the music therein.  _Cloud About
Mercury_ is probably the album he's most widely associated with, and is a
close runner-up in my book.  _Door X_ generally gets a bad reputation due
(mainly) to its song-oriented slant and glossy production, but I actually
quite like the record, and it has some of Torn's finest recorded guitar
playing on it (IMO). 

For looping content, I'd say _Traveller_ and its immediate predecessor, 
_Tripping Over God_, are the best places to look.  Looping seems to play 
a more fundamental role in the compositional aspects of the pieces on 
these records than in past endeavors.

--Andre

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:44:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik Elswit <rik@well.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Echoplex DP Overdub Problem
Message-Id: <199709152044.NAA20656@well.com>

"My echoplex digital pro seems to be stuck in overdub mode -
has anyone else seen this problem? The echoplex (about 3 months old)
worked fine until a few days ago."

Do the functions work properly when you use the panel buttons rather than
the footpedal.  If so, the problem is in your pedal.   I sent my echoplex
back to the factory because it was having similar problems.  Their response
was to hold onto it for three weeks and then send it back when I screamed
loud enough.  It was still screwed up, but using a friend's pedal shoed me
that it was a pedal problem.  

Rik Elswit
Bananas at Large
415-457-7600

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:33:10 -0400
From: "Paul J. Dresher" <PaulDresher@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Info on Echoplex upgrade availability
Message-ID: <199709151633_MC2-208C-D035@compuserve.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: inline

Echoplex Upgraders:

I just spoke with Pat Murphy at Oberheim/Gibson Customer Support in
Nashville.  Upgrade PROMs appear to be in transit in the move from Oakland
back to Nashville.  He thought about a week or so.  They won't take credit
cards so they need a cashiers check or money order made out to Oberheim,
$45 per upgrade and mailed to: 

Gibson
Attn: Pat Murphy
1818 Elm Hill Pike
Nashville, TN 37210

If anyone knows an easier/quicker way to get the PROMs, please let me know.
 
 

Paul Dresher

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:39:22 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Echoplex DP Overdub Problem
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970915213922.008d62a8@pop.chromatic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

re Arthur's broken overdub problem:

My first thought was that you had it in delay mode without realizing, but
since you reset the parameters to default, that's not it. 

You could tell if it is a problem with the footswitch or a front panel
button by the LED's on the front panel. If the Overdub LED is red all the
time, than overdub is indeed stuck on and one of the switches is a likely
culprit. Probably you would have trouble with other switches if that were
the case.

If the Overdub LED is not red, then you have a different problem. In that
case I would suspect that the VCA part has gone bad somehow. That's a likely
one actually because the manufacturer of that part recently shipped a whole
bunch of faulty components to Oberheim, partly resulting in the most recent
production delays. The bad ones were carefully weeded out, so it shouldn't
be a problem, but it is possible that a part could be close to the edge and
get worse as it ages. It is also possible that corrosion in the socket for
the VCA could cause this problem, but it's doubtful in a unit only 3 months
old. (I saw that once in a unit that had been in a smoker-inhabited studio
for a couple of years)

You asked about Wizard electronics...they do contract repair work for many
companies in the music industry. I think Oberheim has recently started using
them as well. So far as I know they are a competent shop, but I've never
dealt with them before. If you send your unit there, point them toward the
VCA or the switches.

And Rik, welcome to Looper's Delight!

kim


At 01:44 PM 9/15/97 -0700, Rik Elswit wrote:
>"My echoplex digital pro seems to be stuck in overdub mode -
>has anyone else seen this problem? The echoplex (about 3 months old)
>worked fine until a few days ago."
>
>Do the functions work properly when you use the panel buttons rather than
>the footpedal.  If so, the problem is in your pedal.   I sent my echoplex
>back to the factory because it was having similar problems.  Their response
>was to hold onto it for three weeks and then send it back when I screamed
>loud enough.  It was still screwed up, but using a friend's pedal shoed me
>that it was a pedal problem.  
>
>Rik Elswit
>Bananas at Large
>415-457-7600
>
>
>
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint		       408-752-9284
Mpact System Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com
Chromatic Research             http://www.chromatic.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:33:47 -0700
From: Arthur Gatesy <amg@Cadence.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Echoplex DP Overdub Problem
Message-Id: <199709152333.QAA16191@cds9373.Cadence.COM>

kim and Rik,
  Thanks very much for your input on my overdub problem.  It sounds 
like the VCA problem, since no LEDS are on. Oh well, off it goes to Atlanta!

-Art Gatesy


> re Arthur's broken overdub problem:
> 
> My first thought was that you had it in delay mode without realizing, but
> since you reset the parameters to default, that's not it. 
> 
> You could tell if it is a problem with the footswitch or a front panel
> button by the LED's on the front panel. If the Overdub LED is red all the
> time, than overdub is indeed stuck on and one of the switches is a likely
> culprit. Probably you would have trouble with other switches if that were
> the case.
> 
> If the Overdub LED is not red, then you have a different problem. In that
> case I would suspect that the VCA part has gone bad somehow. That's a likely
> one actually because the manufacturer of that part recently shipped a whole
> bunch of faulty components to Oberheim, partly resulting in the most recent
> production delays. The bad ones were carefully weeded out, so it shouldn't
> be a problem, but it is possible that a part could be close to the edge and
> get worse as it ages. It is also possible that corrosion in the socket for
> the VCA could cause this problem, but it's doubtful in a unit only 3 months
> old. (I saw that once in a unit that had been in a smoker-inhabited studio
> for a couple of years)
> 
> You asked about Wizard electronics...they do contract repair work for many
> companies in the music industry. I think Oberheim has recently started using
> them as well. So far as I know they are a competent shop, but I've never
> dealt with them before. If you send your unit there, point them toward the
> VCA or the switches.
> 
> And Rik, welcome to Looper's Delight!
> 
> kim
> 
> 
> At 01:44 PM 9/15/97 -0700, Rik Elswit wrote:
> >"My echoplex digital pro seems to be stuck in overdub mode -
> >has anyone else seen this problem? The echoplex (about 3 months old)
> >worked fine until a few days ago."
> >
> >Do the functions work properly when you use the panel buttons rather than
> >the footpedal.  If so, the problem is in your pedal.   I sent my echoplex
> >back to the factory because it was having similar problems.  Their response
> >was to hold onto it for three weeks and then send it back when I screamed
> >loud enough.  It was still screwed up, but using a friend's pedal shoed me
> >that it was a pedal problem.  
> >
> >Rik Elswit
> >Bananas at Large
> >415-457-7600

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:04:58 -0300
From: "The Negative Eye" <juma@cyberia.net.ar>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Studio Quad
Message-Id: <199709152312.UAA09790@server1.cyberia.net.ar>
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Hello Loopers,

Could anyone tell me the specifications (n¼FX's, I/O,delaytime,etc),
of the Digitech Studio Quad ?
What's the difference between  the "normal" and the V2?

I tried to enter digitech's site, but it's framed, and then I cannot
retrieve it with email (I don't have online).

Thanks a lot in advance,

Juan Manuel Aguirre
aka
->thE negativE eyE
-->negativE visioN
--->negativE imagE

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 00:12:11 -0000
From: Phil Diem <pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: jammidimystery
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Has anyone else had problems brothersyncing two jammen via midi?

Yesterday I converted to midi control by connecting a DMC Ground Control 
(v2.4) to two jammen. I programed the GC to transmit on ch 1 and loaded 
the presets to send the correct midi program change numbers. When I tap 
in a loop: 1. sometimes jam #1 starts recording solo and when I tap out 
#2 starts recording immediately 2. sometimes they both start recording 
together on the first tap (this is how I expected things to work) 3. 
sometimes #2 doesn't start recording until the third tap (with #1 
layering). There seems to be no predictable pattern and I never know 
which sequence I'll be dealing with until I get into it. And 
unfortunately, reset works fine and resets both units simultaneously.

Tonight, I unhooked the GC but left the jammen brothersynced, and tried 
using the lexicon footswitches to control them. Surprise! The lexicon 
switches didn't work properly either.
Tap out required 3-7 taps before recording would stop and the loop would 
start playing???
I tried switching the sync cable; in to out on #1, and out to in on #2, 
no change. I tried a different midi cable and still no change. When I 
went back to no midi cable - unsynced - the lexicon footswitches worked 
properly. The GC also works fine with either jamman individually.

So I don't have a clue as to what's going on, or why. Any helpful 
suggestions will be very much appreciated!

Phil

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