------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 161 Today's Topics: Re: the rest of the story about OBER [ Randy Jones ] Re: the rest of the story about OBER [ Grover Sheffield ] belated LD b-day and echoplex stuff [ Kim Flint ] Re: belated LD b-day and echoplex st [ Randy Jones ] seasons & music [ David Kirkdorffer ] Re: seasons & music [ Erik Ljones ] Re: seasons & music [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] jon hassell.... [ "Joseph Buck" ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:21:52 -0500 From: Randy Jones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970920092151.007d4100@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, That's a great WhatEverHappenedTo... Story. "SEX" by Berlin is on my Best of 83" tape which still gets played around here. Director of Security, WOW! I'm sending my $45 today and I'm ready to open er up. Thanks Kim for the work and education you have provided. Randy At 12:58 AM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Rik Elswit wrote: >> >>> I don't want to sound like an apologist for Oberheim, but the new regime has >>> spent the last two weeks doing the move and getting set up. They have been >>> very good about getting back to me and staying in communication. When I >>> sent my piece in for repair, I had a similar experience to yours. But I pu >>> all this on the old management. The new management just took over, and they >>> have a lot of cleaning up to do. > >I've had good experiences with the new folks so far, too. And they do have >a lot of work ahead of them. I don't envy the poor guys that have to sort >through all the junk packed in the trucks. The seem very motivated, though, >and I'm looking forward to working with them. > >Andre: >>He (of COURSE) confirmed the now widespread news of the Oakland-Gibson >>transit. He told me that there was a repair team standing by once the >>move was completed, and that my repair job was in fact at the very top of >>the list. I then asked him why it was that I had sent a check in to cover >>repair costs when there had in fact been no repair work yet done, and >>consequently no way to accurately gauge how much labor would have to be >>done (and, consequently, how much it might cost). He said that all of >>their information had come from Mike Lyon in California. I then pointed >>out that I had been informed (again, by Pat) that my unit was to have been >>ready earlier this week. Pat's only explanation was that Mike Lyon must >>have been "lying." > >heh. Mike didn't actually know about the move until the day it happened. It >was one of THOSE kinds of moves for which Gibson is notorious. So he might >not have been lying...I had an amusing front row seat, because I happened >to stop by OB about two minutes after my old buddy Rik Olsen arrived. Rik >used to play guitar in the pop-rock band Berlin, and is now Gibson's >director of security. Asset protection, he calls it. Really nice guy, >but....during the later days of gwiz we used to sing "Take my Job Away" to >the tune of "Take my Breath Away"....ah, it brought back memories of some >special moments from the gwiz days..... > > >>I sincerely hope that the transition of operations from Oakland to >>Nashville improves things with regards to Oberheim's customer service. I >>know I'm not the only one feeling the burn from all of this right now... >> >>--Andre > >It looks pretty good so far, hopefully they'll get it right this time. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 12:30:28 -0500 From: Grover Sheffield To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970920173028.006a4d8c@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been a Looper lurker for about a month, doing my homework before purchasing . I'm leaning toward the Echoplex vs. Boomerang because of the increased sampling time/sound quality and flexibility (I play jazz flavored acoustic guitar/vocal solo - slightly twisted covers of 40's-90's and neo-natal sequencing with MIDI/AXON - anyone similar, please write). While waiting, I'm trying to see if I can set up some looping functions on my PC via Cubase Lite or Power Traks by PG Music until I get one of the above units (it sounds like it will be several months before an Echoplex is available). Anyone with suggestions for these or other software looping programs will be appreciated. Also, I read somewhere that KORG is bringing a unit out in January. Anyone else heard of this? Thanks for all the information so far Kim and everyone else! Grover ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:27:12 -0700 From: Scot Gresham Lancaster To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looking for software Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:53 PM 9/19/97 -0700, William Green wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the software program >"M" by Intellegent Music for windows? > You might be able to get it from EMF at www.emf.org that's joel Chadibe's New music distribution and information company. He ran Intelligent music where "M" was originally distibuted. Great program... >Are there any other windows programs that allow independent midi >looping? > Tim Thompson's "Key Kit" is a construction kit for windows (and now Mac too) that has a bunch of midi loop thingies and user extensibility. It has a low level awk like language that is very flexible... ciao, x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0 Scot Gresham-Lancaster scot@csuhayward.edu MB1525a ph: 510-885-3150 CSUHayward fax:510-885-3461 Hayward, CA 94542 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:33:46 -0400 From: Floyd Miller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looking for software Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970921173346.0069c9bc@popmail.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:27 AM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 05:53 PM 9/19/97 -0700, William Green wrote: >>Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the software program >>"M" by Intellegent Music for windows? >> >You might be able to get it from EMF at www.emf.org that's joel Chadibe's >New music distribution and information company. He ran Intelligent music >where "M" was originally distibuted. Hmmm. I have an old program (circa 1992) on my Mac called M. It's a music generartion program from Dr. T's Music Software. I wonder if it's the same or similar. I haven't used it for a long time and not not sure it runs on the newer Mac OS versions. It was fun to play with but always seemed to require me scrambling my system's MIDI setup. An newer, OMS=aware version would be great :) **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:55:46 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: belated LD b-day and echoplex stuff on the web Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ok, I totally forgot, but the Looper's Delight list had it's 1 year anniversary Sept 10. It's been a remarkable year, really. We've formed an amazing little community here with all sorts of interesting folk. I think we've done a lot to define what looping actually is and further it's advance into the musical consciousness. Lot's of people have contributed their time and ideas to make Looper's Delight a better place, and I think we all appreciate that. We've covered tons of ground, and I'm looking forward to another year covering tons more. Membership continues to grow at a steady rate, although fortunately not too fast. I think we are still under 300, which has given us time to get to know one another and create a good vibe for the list. Probably it will start rising faster if the web site is an indication. LD has been averaging well over 2000 hits a week and rising fast for the past few months, with a record 2905 hits last week. List subscription activity is increasing along with it. So for all of you who have stopped by, thanks for making it fun, here's to another year.... Also, for those interested I put the Aurisis release notes for the new Oberheim Echoplex software on the echoplex part of the web site, and updated the echoplex FAQ to go with it. The FAQ hadn't been updated since last november! jeez...better late than never I guess. I'll probably make another pass at the FAQ, since there is plenty of more material floating around. So if there's something you think should be on there, let me know. And as always, if anyone else is interested in contributing to any part of the web site, by all means do so! The more people help out, the better it gets. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:40:32 -0500 From: Randy Jones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: belated LD b-day and echoplex stuff on the web Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970922054031.007d7ad0@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I think it would be informative to have a section called "Fun Things to Do With the EchoPlex" and have members send in say 3-10 things they like to do with the EchoPlex, with a walkthrough on the knobs and buttons. Maybe the Vortex while we are at it. I'm a newbie with both, but will contribute as soon as I learn a little more. Thanks, Randy > The FAQ hadn't been updated since >last november! jeez...better late than never I guess. I'll probably make >another pass at the FAQ, since there is plenty of more material floating >around. So if there's something you think should be on there, let me know. >kim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:43:29 -0400 From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: seasons & music Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F048720@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain With the change in seasons, it occurs I wonder if anyone noticed in their music a kind of "seasonal-effect?" That is to say, in the winter I have more "ambient" music in me whereas in the summer I have more conventional music in me. Any thoughts? David Kirkdorffer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:18:58 -0400 From: verner@infinitesound.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 1 Year Old Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970922091858.0069c8e4@infinitesound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Happy Birthday - and many more to come! Keep looping. J. Arif Verner ____________________________________________________________________ Infinite Sound Studio Ithaca, New York http://www.infinitesound.com "After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." -Aldous Huxley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:22:30 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Message-Id: <20626.199709221422@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Greg >Unless your machines have a serial number prefix <394 all you will need >to do is follow the upgrade instructions in the manual and make sure >that you are taking all precautions against getting static into the >machine. My serial no. is K0294-05529 ... guess that means me? >If your machine does have a serial number prefix prior to 394 you will >need a special "posidrive" screw driver in order to remove the posidrive >screw that were used in the earlier machines. A what? If I can't locate one of these, are there any alternatives? >Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything >that I can do for you. Could you lend me a Posidrive screwdriver, perchance?? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:52:11 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Message-Id: <21202.199709221452@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, just to let you know that 1. the JamMan upgrade mail was meant for Greg only - sorry 2. Anybody got any suggestions for the Loop Artists web page yet? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:03:47 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290F8366@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain In response to:>If your machine does have a serial number prefix prior to 394 you will > >need a special "posidrive" screw driver in order to remove the > posidrive > >screw that were used in the earlier machines. > Michael asked:"A what? > If I can't locate one of these, are there any alternatives?" > The posidrive screwdrivers are made by Snap-on. A No. 2 Posidrive will work in removing the screws from older JAMMANs. You should be able to find Snap-On products just about anywhere. I am sorry but I do not have a posidrive screwdriver that I can lend you. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:09:14 +0200 From: Erik Ljones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: seasons & music Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970922180914.00734494@pop.stud.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David Kirkdorffer wrote: >With the change in seasons, it occurs I wonder if anyone noticed in >their music a kind of "seasonal-effect?" Here in Norway, up above the arctic circle, the contrast between the seasons is quite big. As the days get colder and darker, I in general feel a need to disconnect from the world. Being alone in this dark and moody environment usually leads to alot of thinking, which certainly affects the music being made. Not only do I under these conditions feel more alienated, I also feel more creative. My music seems to move slowly over time in a less dynamic manner in the fall and winter, making it sound more "ambient", I guess. For this reason I activily try to expose myself to these conditions. I probably should grow a really long beard and move to a cave up in the mountains or to an iglo somewhere around the North Pole, but then I couldn't be on this list... -Erik- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:09:08 -0700 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: seasons & music Message-Id: <199709221711.KAA20850@usr01.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >With the change in seasons, it occurs I wonder if anyone noticed in > >their music a kind of "seasonal-effect?" > > Erik Ljones responded: > > Here in Norway, up above the arctic circle, the contrast between the > seasons is quite big. As the days get colder and darker, I in general feel > a need to disconnect from the world. It would of course be more dramatic, the more contrast exists between seasons, that makes sense, since we have brains that depend a good deal upon contrast for evaluation purposes. I presently am working on a second year's worth of loops for my Book Of Days series (which has a different loop for each of 366 days), with an effort to produce one for each day - which, predictably, will have a seasonal feel to it no doubt. At some point in the future I plan on being more specific as per music for 'traditional' day commemoration. To return to the active topic, though, I find that, when I sit down for the first time in the evening, after the long day, and start to warm up on the loops, it can be an "I-Ching" kind of process. Some loops, as a result, can be rather awful-sounding (and I keep some of those too!). Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:32:53 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looper tips Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think that's a good idea. Anybody have any interesting ideas? I know a lot of good stuff has been posted to the list already. Might be cool if someone went on a digging expedition through the archives to find good plex/votex/etc tips. In general, the "tips and tricks" part of the web site needs some more material. If you have some idea you'd like to share, toss it on in. Doesn't have to be specific to a particular looper, but it's still fine if it is since that gives a better feel for a specific use of a device. Preformatted in html is a big help..... kim >Hello, > >I think it would be informative to have a section called "Fun Things to Do >With the EchoPlex" and have members send in say 3-10 things they like to do >with the EchoPlex, with a walkthrough on the knobs and buttons. Maybe the >Vortex while we are at it. I'm a newbie with both, but will contribute as >soon as I learn a little more. > >Thanks, >Randy > > >> The FAQ hadn't been updated since >>last november! jeez...better late than never I guess. I'll probably make >>another pass at the FAQ, since there is plenty of more material floating >>around. So if there's something you think should be on there, let me know. > >>kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:11:32 PDT From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jon hassell.... Message-ID: <19970922191132.16697.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain hi holks- thought i would forward on a post i sent to the ambient list on friday about one of the most influential and innovative loopers- jon hassell... _____________________ Well folks its Friday I am fried from work but the ambient digest with all the news for jon hassell (thanks hans)has been sticking out of my inbox saying "do something with me!" there has been a GREAT deal of talk about jon on the eno newsgroup and mailing list, and the sylvian list. not to mention anyone you care to listen to giving thanks and praise to him for constantly bringing something amazing to the table i can't help but think that the zeitgeist be there to have a hassell list. or something.... the fourth world or somesuch. so what do ya kidlets think? salam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:07:04 -0400 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: jon hassell.... Message-ID: <199709230207_MC2-217F-6340@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >thought i would forward on a post i sent to the ambient list on friday >about one of the most influential and innovative loopers- jon hassell... Jon Hassell is no doubt one of the most innovative loopers (and he does *not* play guitar!) ... I love his music just as much as Eno's and Fripp's ... are there any news about him? The last of his projects was quite a while ago ... what's he doing nowadays? ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:29:31 PDT From: "Joseph Buck" To: MPeters@compuserve.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: jon hassell.... Message-ID: <19970923062931.27797.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Hola Michael- Well it has been awhile but he seems to have picked up the pace. Doing *exceptional* work on the ry cooder score for the end of violence (one of the most thought provoking films I have seen), a track on kd lang's album, a live appearance of bluescreen mkII at a festival in europe, and some installation work.... hassell as eno has said is one of our greatest minds and i am glad he is serving more up... for folks wanting to begin with some hassell try powerspot(eno! jean philippe rykiel!, michael brook!), city: works of fiction (truly magical unknown music), or for loopage unlike you have ever heard- aka darbari java (amazing this was made in 1983!)... his 4th world work with eno seems nigh impossible to get.... salam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:32:31 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Message-Id: <5221.199709230832@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greg: >If your machine does have a serial number prefix prior to 394 you will need a >>special "posidrive" screw driver in order to remove the posidrive screw that >>were used in the earlier machines. >The posidrive screwdrivers are made by Snap-on. A No. 2 >Posidrive will work in removing the screws from older JAMMANs. You >should be able to find Snap-On products just about anywhere. I've managed to find someone here with a Posidrive screwdriver. Here's a fact which may be of importance to anyone trying to update early Jammans- Posidrive screws are what hold Macs together. Find a friendly Mac repairman (being an Electronics dept, we have a couple where I work), and you have your driver. >I am sorry but I do not have a posidrive screwdriver that I can >lend you. I was joking, Greg, really.... :) Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: John Neilson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jon hassell.... Message-Id: <199709231520.LAA25238@echonyc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >thought i would forward on a post i sent to the ambient list on friday > >about one of the most influential and innovative loopers- jon hassell... > > Jon Hassell is no doubt one of the most innovative loopers (and he does > *not* play guitar!) ... I love his music just as much as Eno's and Fripp's > ... are there any news about him? The last of his projects was quite a > while ago ... what's he doing nowadays? > ___________ A few things have trickled out lately, including an Italian import CD whose name escapes me, and an EP with 808 State. Hassell has put on two of the most magical shows I've ever seen -- a Powerspot-era live set at the Brooklyn Academy of Music, and the mind boggling show his band did with Eno at the World Financial Center in Manhattan. The latter took place in a glass-roofed arboreum looking out on the Hudson river, where an Eno sound installation ran for several days, filling the space with ambient and insect sounds from nearly 250 tiny speakers concealed in the walls and floor. When it was time for Hassell's performance his band's sound slowly rose out of the soundscape into the foreground. Eno himself was at the mixing desk, and treatments of the various instruments would swell up from various places around the room. (On the first night I had a seat in the 2nd row, and was surprised to hear a lot of sound coming from behind me. On the second night I sat in the middle of the room and just marveled as muted trumpet swells would arise from the floor all around me.) When it was over the band gently faded back into the ambience... ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson www.mixup.com jneil@mixup.com "a site for sore ears" --------------------------------