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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 170

Today's Topics:
  Re: brainless mail servers from the   [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: Multi-effects Unit                [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE       [ Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT> ]
  RE: Multi-effects Unit                [ "Sellon, Bob" <bsellon@lexicon.com> ]
  echoplex, Euro voltage                [ "JF. Carter" <Jim.Carter@bristol.ac ]
  Re: Multi-effects Unit                [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ]
  Vortex for sale in LA                 [ Andre LaFosse <altruist@shoko.calar ]
  Re: echoplex, Euro voltage            [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE       [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  RE: Multi-effects Unit                [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  RE: Multi-effects Unit                [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  RE: Multi-effects Unit                [ "Sellon, Bob" <bsellon@lexicon.com> ]
  RE: Multi-effects Unit                [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ]
  RE: Multi-effects Unit                [ "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com> ]
  RE: Multi-effects Unit                [ "Sellon, Bob" <bsellon@lexicon.com> ]
  JamMan sync misconceptions.           [ msottila <msottila@mailbox.syr.edu> ]
  Fw:                                   [ "cookie" <dc@ak.planet.gen.nz> ]
  RE: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE       [ Michael Peters <MPeters@compuserve. ]
  Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE       [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pyc ]
  Re: JamMan sync misconceptions.       [ "Robert S. Carter" <rsc4@hhmi.upenn ]
  Re: JamMan sync misconceptions.       [ Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net> ]

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:28:00 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: brainless mail servers from the dawn of time
Message-Id: <v03102800b060f3098b81@[207.171.198.59]>
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>Message is undeliverable.

hmm, sorry about that mail bounce from hell there. If it happens again, the
offending address will be made to suffer appropriately.

kim


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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:29:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: antonc@earthlink.net
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit
Message-Id: <199710090029.RAA03129@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
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Some intriguing new toys described in the latest Musician's Friend 
catalog:

Boss ME30 Multiple Effects Pedal ($249.99)

Has the usual array of effects, but adds a Phrase Trainer feature
that records up to 12 (or 22 - the catalog contradicts itself)
seconds of whatever is plugged into a certain input.  The apparent
intention is to use the Phrase Trainer for learning a lick from, say,
a CD.  The recorded phrase can be slowed down up to 25% of the original
speed without changing pitch.  It can also be looped.   The built-in
expression pedal looks like a nice touch.  Of course you don't have to
plug in a CD player into the CD input...  it could be something else...

Digitech Guitar Talker ($239)

Plug in a guitar (or whatever you want) and a mic.  This is basically
a vocoder pedal that lets you select between Vocoder, Talkbox, Darth
Vader, and other sounds.  One trick I've always wanted to try with
a vocoder or similar effect is to use it in conjuction with an Ebow.

Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:37:47 +0200
From: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE
Message-ID: <19971009123746218.AAA230@Default>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Return-Path: <tspauldi@gibson.com>
>X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:00:29 -0500
>To: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@dinonet.it>
>From: Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@gibson.com>
>Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE
>
>Leo-
>We are working on this. A CE approval is neccessary to do business in
>Europe, and we have every intention of getting one within the next 6
>months. Please hang in there, we will be in Europe soon.
>
>Tom
>
>At 06:46 AM 10/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>Hi mr Spaulding
>>
>>When will echoplex be shippedd to europe???
>>
>>leo
>>
>>
>>
>

For euro-loopers

This is the reply I received from Mr Spaulding about Europlexes...
6 months of more waiting. I've ordered my unit in early may... it's a long wait!

I'm wondering.... why another CE? 
Had the latest units (non upgrade) this european approval on them? I know
some of the old Echoplexes arrived here, through official dealer.

Do you need a new CE for just upgrading the same type od product?? 
It seems odd... 
maybe Mr Spaulding could give us an answer.


ciao
leo

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:54:12 -0400
From: "Sellon, Bob" <bsellon@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit
Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D03E@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain

Being the system software programmer for the product, I might be
slightly (alright, largely) biased but a mid priced multi-effects system
to consider is the MPX1 from Lexicon (around $1000). One of the most
important features of the MPX1 is the extent and sonic purity of the
system's parameter controls. Each program contains 5 generic patches
that can map external MIDI controllers, notes, pitch bend, aftertouch,
etc, as well as the system's internal controllers to virtually every
audio parameter. For internal controllers, the MPX 1 has 2 independent
LFOs, 2 ADSRs (attack, decay, sustain, release), 2 envelope generators,
a random number generator, an arpeggiator (outputs the arpeggiated notes
and makes them available as control sources), an A/B generator and a
sample and hold generator. In addition to the 5 patches, most of the
internal controller sources have the built in ability to be controlled
from all of the sources (MIDI, internal controllers, etc..). The system
also has 10 global patches that allow mix and level parameters to always
be controlled by a particular source.

The potential combinations are amazing. I recently created a  program
that used a gas pedal plugged into the rear panel to simulatinously
control delay input level, feedback and mix to operate a sort of pedal
driven loop patch. With the pedal all the way back, the delay mix was
set to dry. As you move the pedal forward, the delay starts getting
brought in and the input is turned on. As the pedal is moved forward the
feedback is increased until, near the very end of the pedal, the
feedback is set to 100% and the input is muted effectively putting the
system into a loop mode. You end up with a single pedal control that
allows you to build loops (2 seconds max), layering into them, fading
them, etc.. After playing with that for a while I added a pitch shifter
to the output with the pitch patched to the squarewave output of one of
the LFOs. The patch was set up to toggle the pitch shift up and down an
octave. The rate of the LFO can be either locked to the delay/loop  time
using the tempo mode or an independent frequency producing some weird,
evolving "Welcome to the Machine" kinds of sounds. 

One of the other things I really like about the MPX 1 is the EQs.
There's a whole barrage of EQs available (single, dual, parametric,
shelf) including a filter that emulates a moog synth ("SweepFilter").
Again, patching to parameters is unbelieveable. The system uses a
seperate processor for reverbs so they always sound excellent and don't
use up DSP processing power. There are also a variety of pitch shifters,
detuners, chorus algorithms, tremolos, autopanners, etc.. that can be
used independently or combined.

Another cool thing about the MPX 1 is the audio routing. The system
allows you to set the order of the effects and the relative positions of
the effects: 2 stereo paths are available so you can send the high
frequencies to a detuner while sending the lows to a looper, for
instance. 

One last thing that I really like is a built in tone generator. It's
basically a digital oscillator but can be patched to (patch the output
level to an envelope and use it to beef up a kick drum). In addition to
the "effect" type of things you can do with it, it also makes a nice
oscillator for testing. Send the output to your mains and sweep the
frequency as a quick frequency response test, check signal flow through
your system or as a tuning reference.

Anyway, just another multi-effects system to check out if you are in the
market. 

Bob Sellon
Software Engineer
Lexicon/Stec

> ----------
> From: 	Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com]
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Tuesday, October 07, 1997 7:50 AM
> To: 	bsellon@lexicon.com
> Subject: 	Multi-effects Unit
> 
> I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my
> SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig.  I'm currently
> using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1.
> 
> Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark Kata
> Mark@asisoftware.com
> 

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:14:53 +0100 (BST)
From: "JF. Carter" <Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com (loopers delight)
Subject: echoplex, Euro voltage
Message-Id: <199710091414.PAA02378@zeus.bris.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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before I expend anymore time/trouble trying to get my hands on
an echoplex, can someone answer the simple but vital question of 
whether or not the thing will operate on European mains voltage
(230V 50Hz).
If no-one has direct experience of this could you just tell me
whether the power supply is transformer based or switching.
I've seen some fine examples of what happens to 220V 60Hz
equipment, with a switching powersupply, when you plug it into 
a 50Hz mains. Transformer stepped down systems alway seem to be fine.

thanks for any info.

Jim Carter

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:23:29 -0400
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata)
To: 'Loopers Delight' <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re:  Multi-effects Unit
Message-ID: <01BCD49D.64E34060@mark.asisoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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No one has mentioned Rocktron's products, such as the Intellifex or the Replifex.

How do they compare with the competition?

Thanks,
Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andre LaFosse <altruist@shoko.calarts.edu>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex for sale in LA
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.971009091011.8869A-100000@shoko.calarts.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I see in today's RECYCLER newspaper that someone is selling a Lexicon
Vortex processor in the Los Angeles area for $125 obo.  The # is (213)
390-8073.  Go get 'em... 

--Andre

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:19:20 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: echoplex, Euro voltage
Message-Id: <v03102801b062b14ee11c@[207.171.198.39]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi-

I designed the power supply in the echoplex, so I guess I can answer the
question....

yes, it will work fine on 230V 50hz. There is a switch on the back to
change between 115V and 230V. Just make sure you switch it to the correct
setting.

It's a linear supply with a dual primary on the transformer, so the switch
just configures it to step the voltage down appropriately. 50/60 hz will
not make a difference. No noisy switcher supplies here!

Also, the supply is designed to be very tolerant of voltage variations, so
if the voltage sags or whatever, you shouldn't have a problem. In the 115V
setting, it will operate down to a mains voltage of about 88V! That also
means it will work fine in Japan, where the voltage is 100V if I recall
right.

hope this answers your question.

kim


>before I expend anymore time/trouble trying to get my hands on
>an echoplex, can someone answer the simple but vital question of
>whether or not the thing will operate on European mains voltage
>(230V 50Hz).
>If no-one has direct experience of this could you just tell me
>whether the power supply is transformer based or switching.
>I've seen some fine examples of what happens to 220V 60Hz
>equipment, with a switching powersupply, when you plug it into
>a 50Hz mains. Transformer stepped down systems alway seem to be fine.
>
>thanks for any info.
>
>Jim Carter


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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:46:32 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE
Message-Id: <v03102802b062b6761757@[207.171.198.39]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 2:37 PM +0200 10/9/97, Leonardo Cavallo wrote:

>For euro-loopers
>
>This is the reply I received from Mr Spaulding about Europlexes...
>6 months of more waiting. I've ordered my unit in early may... it's a long
>wait!
>
>I'm wondering.... why another CE?

I don't think it's another CE approval. The product was designed well
before CE went into effect, and needed changes to meet the new
requirements. Those changes cost quite a bit and still need to be
implemented, so it never really has passed CE. The units you have seen may
have already been there when CE started, or the dealer in question may have
been less scrupulous than you think. The design changes were all done, I
think they just need to be built with the new design.

CE totally hosed a lot of small american manufacturers, by the way. Doing
the design changes, getting EMI tests, managing the paperwork, etc. was too
expensive, so a lot of them had to stop selling in europe. The bigger
companies could afford to make the changes and had the sales volume to make
it worthwhile; they just bumped the price way up. That's why synths in
europe cost way more than in the US now.  I'm not really a fan of
deregulation, but you guys could have made it a little easier!

kim

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 12:53:57 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit
Message-Id: <199710091750.KAA31868@scv4.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Bob,

Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1.  I currently use an Intellifex LTD, 
and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching.  How 
quickly does the MPX-1 change patches?

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:24:58 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit
Message-Id: <v03102800b062d1bae362@[207.171.198.52]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 12:53 PM +0000 10/9/97, T.W. Hartnett wrote:
>Bob,
>
>Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1.  I currently use an Intellifex LTD,
>and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching.  How
>quickly does the MPX-1 change patches?
>
>Travis Hartnett

That was the reason I bought an intellifex over an LXP-15 years ago. I'd be
interested in the patch switching time, too.

kim

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:46:20 -0400
From: "Sellon, Bob" <bsellon@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit
Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D067@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain

Travis,
The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about
400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. 

Bob Sellon
Lexicon/Stec

> ----------
> From: 	T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com]
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM
> To: 	bsellon@lexicon.com
> Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1.  I currently use an Intellifex
> LTD, 
> and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching.  How 
> quickly does the MPX-1 change patches?
> 
> Travis Hartnett
> 

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:01:07 -0400
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata)
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit
Message-ID: <01BCD4C4.2D065700@mark.asisoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time?

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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From: 	Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com]
Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM
To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit

Travis,
The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about
400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. 

Bob Sellon
Lexicon/Stec

> ----------
> From: 	T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com]
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM
> To: 	bsellon@lexicon.com
> Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1.  I currently use an Intellifex
> LTD, 
> and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching.  How 
> quickly does the MPX-1 change patches?
> 
> Travis Hartnett
> 

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:28:49 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit
Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29131F41@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain

Dry signal can be passed through unchanged during program changes in the
MPX 1.  The same is true for the LXP15 V2.00 software.  The LXP15 V1.31
software did mute the entire signal during program changes.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything
that I can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg hogan
Lexicon customer Service
Phone 781-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

> ----------
> From: 	Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com]
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 3:02 PM
> To: 	GHogan@lexicon.com
> Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit
> 
> Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time?
> 
> Mark Kata
> Mark@asisoftware.com
> 
> ----------
> From: 	Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com]
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM
> To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit
> 
> Travis,
> The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about
> 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. 
> 
> Bob Sellon
> Lexicon/Stec
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com]
> > Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> > Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM
> > To: 	bsellon@lexicon.com
> > Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit
> > 
> > Bob,
> > 
> > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1.  I currently use an Intellifex
> > LTD, 
> > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching.  How 
> > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches?
> > 
> > Travis Hartnett
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:38:09 -0400
From: "Sellon, Bob" <bsellon@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit
Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D06F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain

It's selectable: Mute or bypass. The newest version of the software
(V1.10) which accompanies the new Remote Footcontroller (MPX R1) allows
the signal level during the bypass be adjusted.

Bob Sellon
Lexicon/Stec 

> ----------
> From: 	Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com]
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 3:02 PM
> To: 	bsellon@lexicon.com
> Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit
> 
> Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time?
> 
> Mark Kata
> Mark@asisoftware.com
> 
> ----------
> From: 	Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com]
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM
> To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit
> 
> Travis,
> The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about
> 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. 
> 
> Bob Sellon
> Lexicon/Stec
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com]
> > Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> > Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM
> > To: 	bsellon@lexicon.com
> > Subject: 	RE: Multi-effects Unit
> > 
> > Bob,
> > 
> > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1.  I currently use an Intellifex
> > LTD, 
> > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching.  How 
> > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches?
> > 
> > Travis Hartnett
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:17:38 -0400
From: msottila <msottila@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: JamMan sync misconceptions.
Message-ID: <343D741D.3200@mailbox.syr.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello all.

A few weeks ago, I sent a message asking if I were going to have trouble
syncing 2 JamMans from the MIDI clock of the sequencer of a Ensonic
TS-10.  I forgot who responded, but I was told I was going to have
problems daisy chaining the 2 JamMans.  The work around was to sync all
three devices to a single MIDI clock source with a MIDI splitter.  I
purchesed a splitter and tried sending MIDI clock to both the JamMen
from the sequencer and had really bad delay problems.  I had a show the
next day and I couldn't find any cheap solution for a MIDI clock
generating device.

What to do, you might ask.

Well our newest member(owner of JamMan #2), with a very rudimentry
knowledge of MIDI, suggested hooking up the devices as I had originally
envisioned.  MIDI out of the sequencer to the in of my JamMan, MIDI out
of my JamMan into the in of his.  With the advise I had gotten, it
sounded implausable, but what the hell?  It was worth a try.

Anyway, you've probably guessed the end of this one already.  It worked
perfectly, as I originally predicted it would.  No delay problems what
so ever.

The show was a sucess and now I'm rich and famous.  Just kidding, but
the show went well and was void of any syncing problems.  What were you
talking about when you told me to split the MIDI signal?  Could it have
been that you thought that I wanted both units to start looping at the
same time?  I didn't.  Both machines are autonamous, used by different
members, they just need to have access to the same MIDI clock.

So if anyone was put off by thinking that syncing two JamMen to a single
MIDI clock was a problem, as I did, forget it.  It works great!

Happy looping.  (anyone want to buy a very slightly used MIDI splitter?)

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:19:29 +1300
From: "cookie" <dc@ak.planet.gen.nz>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
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> From: cookie <dc@pl.net>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilst.com
> Subject: 
> Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:16 PM
> 
> hey there !     i made my first loops at the age of seven or eight, on an
> old ampex
> machine....   this was about 27/28 years ago !!   sadly i've none of that
> now.. :(
> 
> ever tried making _really_ long tape loops ?  i used to do it by putting
> cotton-reels
> on pencils stuck into anything that would hold them up - all round the
room
>  !!!
> 
> and with the old sound-on-sound function switched in, you could have them
> constantly
> eveolving !  ( great way to get an atmosphere going ! )
> 
> bye now,
> 
> cookie

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:56:18 -0400
From: Michael Peters <MPeters@compuserve.com>
To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE
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>I'm wondering.... why another CE? 
>Had the latest units (non upgrade) this european approval on them? 

I don't think they had a CE stamp. They were imported to Europe when the CE
stamp was not required yet. 
___________
Michael Peters   
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:18:48 +0100
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE
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Kim:
>CE totally hosed a lot of small american manufacturers, by the way. Doing
>the design changes, getting EMI tests, managing the paperwork, etc. was too
>expensive, so a lot of them had to stop selling in europe.

Serves ya right for making substandard gear!  Ha!

> The bigger companies could afford to make the changes and had the sales
>volume > to make it worthwhile; they just bumped the price way up. 

I'm amazed.  Aren't there decent standards held in the States?  

> That's why synths in europe cost way more than in the US now. 

Nah, that's just taxes and stuff.  Strats cost more here than there.  Going
strat price is over $1000 right now.

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:28:07 +0000
From: "Robert S. Carter" <rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions.
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msottila wrote:
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> A few weeks ago, I sent a message asking if I were going to have trouble
> syncing 2 JamMans from the MIDI clock of the sequencer of a Ensonic
> TS-10.  I
> Well our newest member(owner of JamMan #2), with a very rudimentry
> knowledge of MIDI, suggested hooking up the devices as I had originally
> envisioned.  MIDI out of the sequencer to the in of my JamMan, MIDI out
> of my JamMan into the in of his.  With the advise I had gotten, it
> sounded implausable, but what the hell?  It was worth a try.
> 
> Anyway, you've probably guessed the end of this one already.  It worked
> perfectly, as I originally predicted it would.  No delay problems what
> so ever.
> 
>

I'm sorry, I just don't understand this. In the MIDI implementation
chart in  the JamMAn manual it clearly states that all MIDI data with
the exception of MIDI clock is echoed to the JamMAn's MIDI out. I also
use sequencers and other devices to generate mIDI clock and my
experience is that the clock will NOT go thru my JamMan. Because I have
other devices that also will not echo MIDI clock that need to be
simultaneously slaved I have resorted to using pMIDI patchbays as
splitters. I have used both a MX8 and a yamaha MEP4 with satisfactory
resulsts.

BOB.

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:41:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net>
To: "Robert S. Carter" <rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu>
cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions.
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> >
> 
> I'm sorry, I just don't understand this. In the MIDI implementation
> chart in  the JamMAn manual it clearly states that all MIDI data with
> the exception of MIDI clock is echoed to the JamMAn's MIDI out. I also
> use sequencers and other devices to generate mIDI clock and my
> experience is that the clock will NOT go thru my JamMan. Because I have
> other devices that also will not echo MIDI clock that need to be
> simultaneously slaved I have resorted to using pMIDI patchbays as
> splitters. I have used both a MX8 and a yamaha MEP4 with satisfactory
> resulsts.

Are you sure the JMs out isn't a switchable thru/out? A lot of gear that
skimps on the midi connectors use this configuration including Boss abd
Alesis multi effctors.

steve d


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