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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 176

Today's Topics:
  test - ignore                         [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  test - ignore                         [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  test - ignore                         [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  LD is back!                           [ Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> ]
  Re: LD is back!                       [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  New Song in RealAudio                 [ Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.co ]
  Re: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA        [ Gabestern@aol.com (by way of Kim Fl ]
  Demise of MIDI?                       [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) (b ]
  Looping @ Space Rock Fest in Baltimo  [ Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net> (by way ]
  marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds   [ Len Seligman <seligman@mitre.org> ( ]
  GR 700 system for sale                [ efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) ]
  lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but help L  [ "c.voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch> (by way of ]
  Nov/Dec Gigs                          [ PMimlitsch@aol.com (by way of Kim F ]
  AXON Request                          [ Mike Artemenko <irbuser@ix.netcom.c ]
  FS:Lexicon Prime Time $550            [ "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Tra ]
  Re: GR 700 system for sale            [ crimson <Crimson@aznet.net> ]
  RE: lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but he  [ "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ Monkici@aol.com ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]
  Re: AXON Request                      [ Jim Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com> ]
  Re: Demise of MIDI?                   [ Jim Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com> ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net> ]
  Re: Demise of MIDI?                   [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:58:49 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: test - ignore
Message-Id: <v03102802b0729dd573a5@[207.171.198.158]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test
message to see if they have fixed it yet.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:14:17 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: test - ignore
Message-Id: <v03102804b072af869d07@[207.171.198.158]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test
message to see if they have fixed it yet.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:14:53 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: test - ignore
Message-Id: <v03102805b072afaba5ca@[207.171.198.158]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test
message to see if they have fixed it yet.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:21:06 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: LD is back!
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971021232106.00987218@pop.chromatic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

It looks like the Looper's Delight list is back up!

As many of you noticed, Looper's Delight has been off the air for a while.
Sorry about the interuption, my internet service provider broke the list
last week as part of their ongoing efforts to be the next aol. But the real
horror started when I tried to get them to fix it again. A whole week of
phone calls and emails to everyone I could think of, with no action at all.
I was ready for the Steven Segall approach.....

I've got most of the mail that has been sent to the list. (it was all going
directly to my account for mysterious reasons.) I will post it all for you
later tonight when I get home. If something you sent hasn't shown up by
tomorrow, please send it again.

thanks for your patience, and please recommence with the looping....

kim
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint		       408-752-9284
Mpact System Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com
Chromatic Research             http://www.chromatic.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:29:38 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: LD is back!
Message-Id: <v03102802b073302fc4e4@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello-

The list is indeed fixed up. Again, sorry about the delay. A whole bunch of
people tried to subscribe while the list was dead, I've just added all of
them manually. (that's as fun as it sounds...) So for all of you newcomers,
welcome to Looper's Delight, sorry it took a while to get your subscription
through.

I'm now going to forward a bunch of mail to the list that was sent while it
was broken, some of it may be a little out of date. Make sure you check any
dates before you rush off to any publicized events.

again, thanks for your patience,

kim

>It looks like the Looper's Delight list is back up!
>
>As many of you noticed, Looper's Delight has been off the air for a while.
>Sorry about the interuption, my internet service provider broke the list
>last week as part of their ongoing efforts to be the next aol. But the real
>horror started when I tried to get them to fix it again. A whole week of
>phone calls and emails to everyone I could think of, with no action at all.
>I was ready for the Steven Segall approach.....
>
>I've got most of the mail that has been sent to the list. (it was all going
>directly to my account for mysterious reasons.) I will post it all for you
>later tonight when I get home. If something you sent hasn't shown up by
>tomorrow, please send it again.
>
>thanks for your patience, and please recommence with the looping....
>
>kim
>________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint		       408-752-9284
>Mpact System Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com
>Chromatic Research             http://www.chromatic.com


______________________________________________________________________
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http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:30:24 -0700
From: Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: New Song in RealAudio
Message-Id: <v03102800b0732875f3ec@[207.171.198.158]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi all,

This message has nothing to do with looping, so please direct all e-mail
regarding this personally to me, not to the list. I apologize for the
off-topicness of this, but since a lot of you know me and I'm a regular
contributor, I didn't think this one short message would be too much of
a protocol violation.

I have a new political rock song (and Internet grassroots organizing
effort) regarding campaign finance reform. It's just been played on 45
NPR affiliates, and is available via RealAudio (right now, it requires a
28.8 modem - more versions will be up soon) at
http://www.mind.net/wsirota/themagainstus/. I'd like as many people as
possible to hear it, talk about it, etc. So please visit the site if
this sort of thing appeals to you. Thanks.


--
Yours truly,
Warren Sirota
musician, programmer, writer
http://wsdesigns.com/wsirota

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:31:00 -0700
From: Gabestern@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA
Message-Id: <v03102803b07331fb30f0@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Well, I've battled through the same territory myself.  I ended up with a
pretty strange system which includes:

A Hafler 250W/channel (can't remember model #)) amp driving 2 EV1803 cabinets
(18 inch bass, 8 inch mid, and a horn for highs - the horn can be attenuated)

2 Marshall 50W heads, each driving a 4x10 cabinet.

A Crown Powerbase1 (200W/channel) amp driving a pair of jbl 15 in speakers

A Phase Linear 400 driving a pair of Bose 901's

I use a 2 way Xover and 2 ADA MEQs (midi controlled equalizers) on the way to
the amps

It gets the job done, but I really need to crank it to get it to sound right.
 At low volumes it actually sounds better coming through a 50 watt receiver
and some AR-1 speakers.

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:31:51 -0700
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Demise of MIDI?
Message-Id: <v03102804b07332273b58@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest.  It mentioned the
impending demise of MIDI.

Does anyone, especially those of you working in the music industry, know
anything about this?

How will it impact looping?

Thanks,
Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:32:19 -0700
From: Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net> (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Looping @ Space Rock Fest in Baltimore Saturday
Message-Id: <v03102805b073324c441a@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

                           Orion Space Rock Festival
                       Saturday, October 18th 1997 3:00PM

                              Orion Sound Studios
                              2903 Whittington Ave
                              Baltimore, Maryland


The Orion Space Rock Festival will be held on Saturday October 18th at
Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland. This all day festival will
feature the top U.S. Space Rock acts performing full sets accompanied by
the Solar Fire Light Show.

There will be a wide range of space rock styles presented. Everything from
loop-based ambient music to full blown intense mind blowing sci-fi rock.

Featured performers:

o Alien Planetscapes
o Architectural Metaphor
o Escapade
o Quarkspace
o Fingerpaint

ADMISSION:   $25.00 at the door. All ages welcome!

OTHER INFO:  Call the studio at 410.646.7334 after 2pm EST, email
             alevin@ari.net, or point your favorite web browser to
             http://prog.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/

	Orion Studios is a rehearsal and recording studio located in
beautiful southwest Baltimore, Maryland.  Orion has 21 rehearsal studios
which are rented on a monthly basis, plus a 24 track digital recording
studio attached to a showcase room.  The show will take place in the
Showcase Room. We have no liquor license, so its a BYOB affair. Sodas will
be available. There will be a retail area where the bands and other
vendors will be selling CDs, tapes, and T-shirts, so bring plenty of cash!

Vendors interested in attending should call Orion or email mpotter@stsci.edu
about table rentals.
========================================================================

Directions:
-Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the
 695 beltway)
-Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington
 Blvd
-Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness.
-At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave.
-Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot
 at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center.
-Orion is on the right.

-Adam

---
       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one
                           becomes a Hearer."
                           - Chandrakirti

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:33:23 -0700
From: Len Seligman <seligman@mitre.org> (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-Id: <v03102806b07332794e7c@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi folks,

I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric
violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include
marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions
about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
electric guitar or violin?

Thanks,
Len Seligman

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:33:53 -0700
From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: GR 700 system for sale
Message-Id: <v03102807b07332ab5a44@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

For sale -
Roland GR707, GR505 (red strat w/2 humbuckers) guitars w/cases, GR700
synth, PG200 programmer all original in great shape w/all cables.
$800.00 for everthing. Buyer pays shipping. Los Angeles area.
Eric
efisch@artnet.net
(@13)664-5632

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:34:58 -0700
From: "c.voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch> (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but help Laurence)
Message-Id: <v03102808b07332e567fb@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Loopers


I'm trying to explain to my girl friend Laurence (Classical flutist) the
in and out of the LXP 15 V1.20 with the french and german
manuals.....all that in french..
the manuals are relating to an older Rom version and are simply
impossible to understand and incomplete (pages missing)
Although beeing a midi and multi effect adict for years I'm stuck and
ridiculous in front of her
;=)

I want that Original plain engilsh manual for V 1.20

A download in zipped PDF would be the _fastest_
(I want to break FFFREEE)

Tank you for helping me to spend my future time playing guitar and flute
duos instead of  yelling at the tranlator..<g>

Claude Voit

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:35:36 -0700
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Nov/Dec Gigs
Message-Id: <v03102809b073330a70ba@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Here's a current list of my confirmed Stick(R)/Loop gigs:

("Adelante" info: <http://199.34.54.131/newcommunity/jazz/adelante.html>)

Nov. 8 - w/J. Jody Janetta (percussion/bass) @ Celestial Cafe - Medford
			(609)596-7098
Nov. 14 - w/Adelante @ Border's Book's/Music - Marlton (609)985-5080
Nov. 29 - w/Adelante & special guest Ray Ashley @ Down to Earth Coffeehouse -
			Mt. Holly (609)265-9135
Dec. 12 - w/Adelante @ Amnesty International Benefit concert - Ocean City
			(venue to be assigned)
Dec. 13 - w/Invasion of Time (improv. duo w/fellow Stickist/Loopist Jim
Speer)
			@ Philly Stick Night '97 @ The Lion Fish - Phila
(215)829-1903 Also
			featured will be performances by Greg Howard and
Ray Ashley (with
			his new trio-Three Hour Tour)
Dec. 28 - w/Adelante @ The Pearl - Somers Pt. (609)653-1155
Jan. 10 - w/Adelante @ Border's Books/Music - Mays Landing (609)407-1960

Thanks-Paul Mimlitsch

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:36:19 -0700
From: Mike Artemenko <irbuser@ix.netcom.com> (by way of Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: AXON Request
Message-Id: <v0310280ab073333b7c24@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

To all interested Axon NGC77 users:
	Please submit a request for a pitch shift-per string-per patch function
for the next Eprom upgrade. This will allow open tunings for individual
patches. You can reach Dr. Dave Lee at Music Industries Corp.
1-800-431-6699 Ext. 125. If anyone has other ideas to be submitted let
me know and I will do the same. Multiple requests may get the job done.
Thanks for reading this.

Mike Artemenko

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:36:42 -0700
From: "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Travis@msgate.apple.com> (by way of
 Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: FS:Lexicon Prime Time $550
Message-Id: <v0310280bb073335682a8@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Groovy vintage gear from Harmony Central:

Lexicon Prime Time w/ Expanded Memory

Asking Price: US$550
Condition: Excellent
Production Year: 1979
Description:

       Capable of up to 8+seconds of delay,

       footswitch controlable, sweep generator, sample/hold function
sonically warm and sweet, almost analog
       sounding. lots of features.

       Original Owners Manual

       Serviced last year. In perfect operating condition.

       Inquire for details

       Thanks,

       Isaiah

Seller: Isaiah Solomon, 303-629-6916
E-mail: zoosx@earthlink.net
Location: DENVER, CO
Post Date: 10/21/97

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:00:32 -0700
From: crimson <Crimson@aznet.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: GR 700 system for sale
Message-ID: <344DC0AF.5999@aznet.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Forgive me for my ignorance but could you please send me a little
description of the different items and a brief explanation of what they
do.  I'm vaguely familiar with the GR700, but the others stump me.  They
do sound very interesting and might be something that i would be
interested in having.

Thank you for your time,

Adam Tuckerman

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:01:28 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Cc: 'Gotham' <gotham@music.ch>
Subject: RE: lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but help Laurence)
Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29131F87@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain

Dear M. Voit,

I have forwarded your message to our Swiss distributor, Gotham AG, who
should be able to sell you the manual that you need.  You can email them
directly at gotham@music.ch

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything
that i can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone +781-280-0372
FAX +781-280-0499

> ----------
> From: 	c.voit[SMTP:c.voit@vtx.ch]
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:48 AM
> To: 	GHogan@lexicon.com
> Subject: 	lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but help Laurence)
> 
> Loopers
> 
> 
> I'm trying to explain to my girl friend Laurence (Classical flutist)
> the
> in and out of the LXP 15 V1.20 with the french and german
> manuals.....all that in french..
> the manuals are relating to an older Rom version and are simply
> impossible to understand and incomplete (pages missing)
> Although beeing a midi and multi effect adict for years I'm stuck and
> ridiculous in front of her
> ;=)
> 
> I want that Original plain engilsh manual for V 1.20
> 
> A download in zipped PDF would be the _fastest_
> (I want to break FFFREEE)
> 
> Tank you for helping me to spend my future time playing guitar and
> flute
> duos instead of  yelling at the tranlator..<g>
> 
> Claude Voit
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:14:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Monkici@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <971022090910_2057302659@mrin46.mail.aol.com>

those sounds are attainable with an effect unit that will do pitch shift and
delay at the same time.  what you do is choose a ver short delay (say
20-50ms) and set the pitch shift to regenerate from one delay to the next. so
each miniscule delay has a slightly higher pitch than the last, giving it a
pseudo-steel drum tone. if my memory serves me correctly, the pitch shift
should be pretty small , like 8-15% of a semitone. you also need to make your
initial note very short (pizz on the violin or muted on the guitar. if this
doesn't work, write me and i can look up the details. bon chance,
ric

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:34:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dpcoffin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <971022103415_1244105667@emout10.mail.aol.com>

<<Any suggestions
about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
electric guitar or violin?>>
The VG-8 can provide excellent sounds of this type, as (I'm guessing here,
since I don't have one) can the various MIDI guitar rigs. You might also try
staccato notes into a ring modulator...
DPC

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:26:40 -0700
From: Jim Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: AXON Request
Message-ID: <344E3750.AE7BD2D8@interaccess.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks for the post.  I have a couple requests:

When I switch the GK2a to guitar only, the AXON sends out
Midi volume = 0, and continues to send midi notes, I'd rather
have it not send out midi at all. The midi volume message
screws up any other controllers talking to the same synth.

Also, it doesn't track Ebow playing very well, it seems
to require an attack to trigger notes, even if the string
is vibrating like crazy.

Finally, I'd like to be able to set up the default
"patch" to one of the Arrange modes.

Jim

Mike Artemenko (by way of Kim Flint) wrote:

> To all interested Axon NGC77 users:
>         Please submit a request for a pitch shift-per string-per patch
> function
> for the next Eprom upgrade. This will allow open tunings for
> individual
> patches. You can reach Dr. Dave Lee at Music Industries Corp.
> 1-800-431-6699 Ext. 125. If anyone has other ideas to be submitted let
>
> me know and I will do the same. Multiple requests may get the job
> done.
> Thanks for reading this.
>
> Mike Artemenko

------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:28:37 -0700
From: Jim Coker <jcoker@interaccess.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI?
Message-ID: <344E37C4.624D4BEA@interaccess.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A while back, there was an article in the NYTimes about the AES show
and their president.  One of the things she was working
on was pushing the use of firewire technology, but didn't
say exactly how.  Perhaps this is related?

Jim

Mark Kata by way of Kim Flint wrote:

> I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest.  It
> mentioned the
> impending demise of MIDI.
>
> Does anyone, especially those of you working in the music industry,
> know
> anything about this?
>
> How will it impact looping?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Kata
> Mark@asisoftware.com

------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:59:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971022095302.18575A-100000@icarus.icarus.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote:

> <<Any suggestions
> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
> electric guitar or violin?>>
> The VG-8 can provide excellent sounds of this type, as (I'm guessing here,
> since I don't have one) can the various MIDI guitar rigs. You might also try
> staccato notes into a ring modulator...

Try weaving a lamp-type ball chain in and out of the strings, in parallel
with a strip of felt or some other cloth damping.  To get a real tuned
percussion effect, avoid fretting notes... tune the guitar to the pitches
you want, and play open strings.  Alter your pick position or striking
surface (like metal versus plastic picks) to get different tonalities.  
Another thing that works really well for a percussive tone is something
stiff, like a pencil, between the strings and fretboard.  Start at the
12th fret, then move it around.  Try picking on both sides of the object.
Experiment!

Personally, I think prepared guitar sounds much more natural and true than
trying to achieve those percussive sounds with electronics. A little fuzz
or flanging can bring these things out, but ultimately the best sound
comes from the guitar itself.

-dave

By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete.
Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. 
Venus De Milo.
To a child she is ugly.       /* dstagner@icarus.net */
   -Charles Fort              

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:51:39 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI?
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> From: Mark Kataby way of Kim Flint <Mark@asisoftware.com>

> I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest.  It mentioned
the
> impending demise of MIDI.

About 2 years ago, I read some discussions on this topic.  I believe the
"replacement" is called ZIPI (or something like that).  It mainly corrects
many of the shortcomings of MIDI....like speed.   I think it was designed
by a manufacturer of guitar synths.  

Obviously I really don't remember that much about it.  Sorry.

Matt

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:12:15 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
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> From: Len Seligmanby way of Kim Flint <seligman@mitre.org>

> I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric
> violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in
include
> marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any
suggestions
> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
> electric guitar or violin?

Try putting tiny alligator clips on your springs at various positions.  You
can get some weird ringy/gongish/percussive sounds depending on where you
place the clips.  I purchased a pack of 12 clips at Radio Shack for less
than 4 bucks.  They come in different sizes but I went with the smallest.

Matt

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 11:04:29 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re:  marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
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>> <<Any suggestions
>> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
>> electric guitar or violin?>>
>> The VG-8 can provide excellent sounds of this type, as (I'm guessing here,
>> since I don't have one) can the various MIDI guitar rigs. You might also try
>> staccato notes into a ring modulator...
>
>Try weaving a lamp-type ball chain in and out of the strings, in parallel
>with a strip of felt or some other cloth damping.  To get a real tuned
>percussion effect, avoid fretting notes... tune the guitar to the pitches
>you want, and play open strings.  Alter your pick position or striking
>surface (like metal versus plastic picks) to get different tonalities.  
>Another thing that works really well for a percussive tone is something
>stiff, like a pencil, between the strings and fretboard.  Start at the
>12th fret, then move it around.  Try picking on both sides of the object.
>Experiment!
>
>Personally, I think prepared guitar sounds much more natural and true than
>trying to achieve those percussive sounds with electronics. A little fuzz
>or flanging can bring these things out, but ultimately the best sound
>comes from the guitar itself.

Using a really short delay (10ms or so) with high regeneration can also 
help.  I sometimes use a Whammy pedal before my preamp input, set to add 
an octave.

Travis Hartnett

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