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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 177

Today's Topics:
  FW: Axon problems                     [ Jonathan Brainin <jbrainin@interact ]
  RE: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ]
  RE: Demise of MIDI?                   [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pyc ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@wesleyan.ed ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@wesleyan.ed ]
  RE: Demise of MIDI?                   [ "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]
  Re: Demise of MIDI?                   [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  Re: Demise of MIDI?                   [ Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@gibson.com> ]
  RE: Demise of MIDI?                   [ Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@gibson.com> ]
  RE: Demise of MIDI?                   [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE1394 a  [ "frivolous" <frivolous@mailexcite.c ]
  Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces        [ Scot Gresham-Lancaster <scot@csuhay ]
  Re: Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE13  [ Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net> ]

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:18:30 -0400
From: Jonathan Brainin <jbrainin@interactive.net>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: FW: Axon problems
Message-ID: <01BCDEE4.9EEBE220@jbrainin@interactive.net>
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCDEE4.9EF509E0"

Speaking of Axon problems, I thought I'd pass along this message
from Trey Gunn.

Be aware that Trey is using the Axon with an 8 string Warr guitar
with a 34" scale length and a range of Bb-0 to D-4.

I personally would like to have access to all of the Global menu
options for individual presets in the Scratch or arrange mode.

Jonathan Brainin
jbrainin@interactive.net



-----Original Message-----
From:	Treyg@aol.com [SMTP:Treyg@aol.com]
Sent:	Thursday, October 16, 1997 1:30 PM
To:	jbrainin@interactive.net
Subject:	Re:  Axon problems

jb,

yes, there is a bug in the axon that i'm hoping they can resolve for me 
(us,
actually). it has to do with the fact that it doesn't let you program 
in the
fact that you are using a different tuning from standard guitar tuning.
combined with the fact that there seems to be a limit on the scale 
length of
the guitar that it 'hears.' this stuff is easily upgradable because the 
unit
is software based.

the side effects are this:  when you do a fret split, it splits at a
different fret for every string, because it refers to stadard guitar 
tuning.
but on the 3rd string between the 14 and 18 frets there is a serious 
glitch.
other than that, it is fantastic. and yes, i was using the guitar mode. 
the
bass mode does not allow higher than bass pitches to be heard, so all 
the
strings stopp tracking around the 5 or 7th fret, depending on which 
string.

i got the model with the sounds in it, and am very happy. they're not 
amazing
sounds, but they are useful. especially since i am running them through 
the
GP-100 anyway. to have a half-rack midi-convertor AND a sound module in 
one
is great.

yo,
tg

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:58:32 -0400
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata)
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <01BCDEE1.DBF97D60@mark.asisoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The original Peavey ProFex preamp has a preset called "steel drum."  I'll look for the parameters, tonight.

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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From: 	Len Seligman[SMTP:seligman@mitre.org]
Sent: 	Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:33 AM
To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: 	marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds

Hi folks,

I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric
violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include
marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions
about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
electric guitar or violin?

Thanks,
Len Seligman

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:17:30 -0400
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata)
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Demise of MIDI?
Message-ID: <01BCDEE4.78E1B960@mark.asisoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I saw an article about ZIPI in Computer Music Journal a couple of years ago.  It was developed by Zeta Systems.  I don't remember anything about it either, but I remember being impressed by its capabilities.

Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon:  Do you know anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI?

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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From: 	Matt McCabe[SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, October 22, 1997 11:51 AM
To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: 	Re: Demise of MIDI?

> From: Mark Kataby way of Kim Flint <Mark@asisoftware.com>

> I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest.  It mentioned
the
> impending demise of MIDI.

About 2 years ago, I read some discussions on this topic.  I believe the
"replacement" is called ZIPI (or something like that).  It mainly corrects
many of the shortcomings of MIDI....like speed.   I think it was designed
by a manufacturer of guitar synths.  

Obviously I really don't remember that much about it.  Sorry.

Matt

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:45:18 +0100
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-Id: <7715.199710221645@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>> Any suggestions
>> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
>> electric guitar or violin?>>

Well, a bunch of acoustic players get some pretty steel-drum-ish sounds on
Fripp & Crafty Guitarist's "Show of Hands".  I think they're playing above
the nut tho'... do you need the sound to be tunable?

Michael

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:09:23 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@wesleyan.edu>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <01bcdf0d$3ea1eee0$cf4c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

You can buy a kalimba (well, maybe not an authentic one) for pretty cheap.
I got one for about 20 bucks this summer in a knick-knack type tourist
store.  It sounds pretty good.  I'm thinking of attaching a contact mic to
try looping, but I use a condenser for it now.  I haven't tried looping it
yet.

-Jesse

-----Original Message-----
From: Len Seligman (by way of Kim Flint) <seligman@mitre.org>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:59 AM
Subject: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds


>Hi folks,
>
>I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric
>violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include
>marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions
>about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
>electric guitar or violin?
>
>Thanks,
>Len Seligman
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:10:02 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@wesleyan.edu>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <01bcdf0d$55ce8ce0$cf4c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Which springs?  Do you mean inside the guitar?  Or on the pickups?

-Jesse

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt McCabe <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds


>> From: Len Seligmanby way of Kim Flint <seligman@mitre.org>
>
>> I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric
>> violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in
>include
>> marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any
>suggestions
>> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
>> electric guitar or violin?
>
>Try putting tiny alligator clips on your springs at various positions.  You
>can get some weird ringy/gongish/percussive sounds depending on where you
>place the clips.  I purchased a pack of 12 clips at Radio Shack for less
>than 4 bucks.  They come in different sizes but I went with the smallest.
>
>Matt
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:05:56 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <ghogan@lexicon.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Demise of MIDI?
Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29131F8F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain

Mark asked: "Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon:
Do you know anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of
ZIPI?"

No,I know nothing of this.  I am sure that our Marketing/Engineering
folks would wait until things were more firmly established before taking
the great leap on to the razor blade known as cutting edge.  Wimpy? Yes.
Respectfully realistic?  Yes again.

regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone +781-280-0372
FAX +781-280-0499

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:18:49 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-Id: <199710221712.KAA07801@gw1.bi-tech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> From: Jesse Kudler <jkudler@wesleyan.edu>

> Which springs?  Do you mean inside the guitar?  Or on the pickups?

Oops!!!  I meant strings.  "p" and "t" are so close on the keyboard you
know!!! ;-)

Matt

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI?
Message-Id: <199710221723.KAA16947@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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> I saw an article about ZIPI in Computer Music Journal a couple of years =
> ago.  It was developed by Zeta Systems.  I don't remember anything about =
> it either, but I remember being impressed by its capabilities.
> 
> Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon:  Do you know =
> anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI?
> 
> Mark Kata
> Mark@asisoftware.com

Our very own Kim Flint entered the ZIPI project in its final days.
I recall both Oberheim and Zeta being involved in supporting the 
project, which took place at UC Berkeley's CNMAT.

However, I get the impression Kim is kind of busy right now, so we'll
just have to wait until he has some free time to share his experiences.
I do recall that the ZIPI project eventually died.  Perhaps the 
emergence of physical modeling technology in effects processors/preamps
(various Roland preamps, Roland VG8,  Yamaha's new preamp, Johnson
Millenium amp) and synths, lower-cost digital audio recording hardware and 
software, and looping devices have diminished the demand for a MIDI
replacement.  But this is pure speculation on my part. :)


Paolo Valladolid
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:46:36 -0500
From: Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@gibson.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI?
Message-Id: <97Oct22.124920cdt.26882@gateway.gibson.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I think I'll let Kim answer the ZIPI questions. I finally get to meet him
tomorrow here in Twang Town. If ZIPI lives, can we, uhm... use "ZIPI the
5-Pin Head" as a mascot? ;)

Tom "The Echoplexes Are Coming, Really!" Spaulding

At 12:23 PM 10/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> I saw an article about ZIPI in Computer Music Journal a couple of years =
>> ago.  It was developed by Zeta Systems.  I don't remember anything about =
>> it either, but I remember being impressed by its capabilities.
>> 
>> Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon:  Do you know =
>> anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI?
>> 
>> Mark Kata
>> Mark@asisoftware.com
>
>Our very own Kim Flint entered the ZIPI project in its final days.
>I recall both Oberheim and Zeta being involved in supporting the 
>project, which took place at UC Berkeley's CNMAT.
>
>However, I get the impression Kim is kind of busy right now, so we'll
>just have to wait until he has some free time to share his experiences.
>I do recall that the ZIPI project eventually died.  Perhaps the 
>emergence of physical modeling technology in effects processors/preamps
>(various Roland preamps, Roland VG8,  Yamaha's new preamp, Johnson
>Millenium amp) and synths, lower-cost digital audio recording hardware and 
>software, and looping devices have diminished the demand for a MIDI
>replacement.  But this is pure speculation on my part. :)
>
>
>Paolo Valladolid
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>|Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list	|\ 
>|for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments 			| \
> ----------------------------------------------------------------  |
>\ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info		 \ |
> \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html		  \| 
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:57:22 -0500
From: Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@gibson.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Demise of MIDI?
Message-Id: <97Oct22.130004cdt.26881@gateway.gibson.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello All-
As far as ZIPI goes, the decidely non-wimpy, disrepectfully futuristic,
cutting edge dancin', tryin' to build more Echoplexes of a Product Manager
at Oberheim says: We will wait and see, also.

As to the death of MIDI, a new
format/protocol/"recently-found-original-master
tape"/CD/DAT/MiniDisc/DVD/Adat/DA88/Pentium/MMX strategy has been used
before to jump-start sluggish sales trends by greater Marketing Minds than
ours. Who can say? 

Tom

At 12:05 PM 10/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Mark asked: "Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon:
>Do you know anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of
>ZIPI?"
>
>No,I know nothing of this.  I am sure that our Marketing/Engineering
>folks would wait until things were more firmly established before taking
>the great leap on to the razor blade known as cutting edge.  Wimpy? Yes.
>Respectfully realistic?  Yes again.
>
>regards,
>
>Greg Hogan
>Lexicon Customer Service
>Phone +781-280-0372
>FAX +781-280-0499
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:28:40 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Demise of MIDI?
Message-Id: <v03102801b073ee276aed@[207.171.198.90]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Actually, I was one of the people who worked on zipi, so I'm very familiar
with it and reasons why it was developed. Zipi is dead, so don't expect it
anytime soon. There was a reasonable movement behind it a few years ago.

One of the key developers of zipi was CNMAT, or the Center for New Music
and Audio Technology at UC Berkeley. One of CNMAT's key areas of research
is in musical performance and control. They are still heavily involved in
this, and I beleive have developed a new musical description language, a
successor to the MDL used for zipi. There is information about this on
CNMATs web page.

The point behind these efforts is that midi is a very slow and inefficient
control network and communication protocol. It was developed in the early
80's just for the purpose of communicating between a simple keyboard and a
simple synth. It is terrible for handling just about any other application.
Rapid parameter updates, which are very useful on modern algorithmic synths
(physical modeling, resynthesis, etc), are impossible with midi. Accurate
synchronization, polyphony, etc. are all screwed up by midi, and it has
been well recognized for years that midi is the biggest impediment to
further advances in instrument technology. It is also the primary reason
why guitar synths always suck. When the controller and the synth/effect
have 100's of MIPs available, and they communicate over a 31kbs channel,
you have a big problem!

As we discovered with zipi, and as Greg just demonstrated for us, making
these changes from within the music industry is very hard. The industry is
very slow and not willing to take risks, and usually not very up to date on
current technology trends.

Fortunately, I guess, we have microsoft. Microsoft is dictating as part of
the PC '98 specification that all PC's from here on out have only USB and
Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces. This means that you will not have midi
ports grafted on the joystick connector anymore, or hacked into a serial
port or whatever. Midi control data will be communicated over firewire or
USB. These peripheral networks will also be used for transmitting audio and
video, so all of these things can easily be lumped together in one wire.

What this means is that Mr Gates is turning the dodgy old midi physical
interface into the dinosaur it should have become some time ago, and the
music industry will evolve or die with it. You can expect to see
manufacturers replacing the relatively expensive midi connectors/uarts with
cheap firewire interfaces in the next few years. Networking these devices
together and connecting them to your pc will be a simple task. And with
bandwidth at 400MB/s, you will be able to send multiple audio channels
along with any performance control info.

Almost certainly there will be someone making firewire to midi convertors
so that the pc of the future can still talk to the synth of the past.
Obviously, that makes a midi only device much less attractive to the
average consumer.

The AES does indeed have working groups determining specifications for how
to communicate audio and midi over firewire. I don't know the state of
that, but I beleive reports have been published.

And when all you are left with is the terrible musical description language
of midi, and none of the slow hardware it was designed for, you have to
wonder what the point of keeping even that is. Changing it now really just
becomes a question of changing low level drivers in software. So the
opportunity for CNMAT or someone else to introduce a new description
language for modern network technologies is quite real. All they really
need to do is get Microsoft to like it, and the what the rest of the music
industry thinks is not very important.

kim


At 12:17 PM -0400 10/22/97, Mark Kata wrote:
>I saw an article about ZIPI in Computer Music Journal a couple of years
>ago.  It was developed by Zeta Systems.  I don't remember anything about
>it either, but I remember being impressed by its capabilities.
>
>Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon:  Do you know
>anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI?
>
>Mark Kata
>Mark@asisoftware.com
>
>----------
>From: 	Matt McCabe[SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, October 22, 1997 11:51 AM
>To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Subject: 	Re: Demise of MIDI?
>
>> From: Mark Kataby way of Kim Flint <Mark@asisoftware.com>
>
>> I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest.  It mentioned
>the
>> impending demise of MIDI.
>
>About 2 years ago, I read some discussions on this topic.  I believe the
>"replacement" is called ZIPI (or something like that).  It mainly corrects
>many of the shortcomings of MIDI....like speed.   I think it was designed
>by a manufacturer of guitar synths.
>
>Obviously I really don't remember that much about it.  Sorry.
>
>Matt


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Date:	Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:22:03 -0700
From:	"frivolous" <frivolous@mailexcite.com>
To:	"Loopers-Delight Postings" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE1394 and music
Message-ID: <PNAJEPFENOMFDAAA@mailexcite.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Have any of you folks had a chance to play with the Korg DL-8000 looper yet? I read
that the price in the UK is going to be UKP500 ($800) or so - not bad for an imported
high-tech device over here!

I'm still waiting for Yamaha to release some details about what they'll be doing
with FireWire. They have a plan called "mLan", which sounds like the kind of thing
you're talking about - multiple channels of audio, perhaps in a live setting? (This
may still come back round to looping after all...)

See 
http://www.analog.com/publications/press/misc/press_061296A.html and http://www.vxm.com/21R.35.html


for more info I found on the net...

Cheers,


---
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:32:49 -0700
From: Scot Gresham-Lancaster <scot@csuhayward.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971022123249.007ba100@pmail1.csuhayward.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At the recent SIGGRAPH yamaha showed a very interesting mixing system that
was capable of  16bit 44.1k 100+ channels using fire wire. This looked like
a fairly amazing system and promised to bust open the digital audio market.
It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to imagine a control protocol being
developed in this context...once the hardware is in place that is. 

BTW ...USB is significantly slower and a much tighter and expensive
development ramp up. Which means that Microsoft will probably puch it
instead...sigh...

At 11:28 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>As we discovered with zipi, and as Greg just demonstrated for us, making
>these changes from within the music industry is very hard. The industry is
>very slow and not willing to take risks, and usually not very up to date on
>current technology trends.
>
>Fortunately, I guess, we have microsoft. Microsoft is dictating as part of
>the PC '98 specification that all PC's from here on out have only USB and
>Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces. This means that you will not have midi
>ports grafted on the joystick connector anymore, or hacked into a serial
>port or whatever. Midi control data will be communicated over firewire or
>USB. These peripheral networks will also be used for transmitting audio and
>video, so all of these things can easily be lumped together in one wire.

>
Scot Gresham-Lancaster
< Composer, Performer, Instrument Designer, Consultant, Technician, Educator >
ph: 510-885-3150   fax:510-885-3146
email: scot@csuhayward.edu
www: http://tesla.csuhayward.edu/~sglbio.html

The market place is where greedy people cooperate. 
A community takes imagination ....Robert Haas

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:08:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net>
To: Loopers-Delight Postings <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE1394 and music
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.971022160646.5039S-100000@ari.ari.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, frivolous wrote:

> See http://www.analog.com/publications/press/misc/press_061296A.html and
> http://www.vxm.com/21R.35.html

I like the line in the latter article that says:

"Mr. Gary Hoffman, President of Skipstone, and the chairman of the 1394
Trade Association, has predicted that FireWire will become a standard
consumer electronics interface in 1996."

Nostradamus, he ain't. 8)

-Adam

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       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 
                           becomes a Hearer."
                           - Chandrakirti

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