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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 178

Today's Topics:
  Re: Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces    [ Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> ]
  ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Messag  [ nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK ]
  "Show of Hands" sounds                [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  2 questions                           [ Sean Echevarria <sechevar@californi ]
  Re: test - ignore                     [ Fmplautus@aol.com ]
  RE: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ]
  Jam Man: sell or trade                [ "Type in your real name here" <user ]
  New DOD pedal                         [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pyc ]
  Echoplex Digital Wanted               [ Drumworker@aol.com ]
  Re: Jam Man: sell or trade            [ Mark Sottilaro <msottila@mailbox.sy ]
  Vortex for sale                       [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]
  Re: Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE13  [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]
  Breath controller?                    [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  It could be a new looping device.     [ 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> ]
  Re: Breath controller?                [ inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) ]
  Re: Echoplex Digital Wanted           [ "G. Peterson" <rainham@connection.c ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ djdowling@earthlink.net ]
  Patrick, about my company.            [ 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> ]
  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.c ]
  Re: Demise of MIDI?                   [ "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.c ]
  Re: Jam Man: sell or trade            [ Gil Morales <faderboy@faderboy.com> ]
  Re: Vortex for sale                   [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]
  Re: Re: Vortex for sale               [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]
  Re: Re: Vortex for sale               [ Dpcoffin <Dpcoffin@aol.com> ]
  ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kali  [ Erik Ljones <eriklj@stud.ntnu.no> ]
  Re: Breath controller?                [ David & Daniel Ferguson <breakz@hom ]

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:34:10 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971022203410.0087fed0@pop.chromatic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Microsoft is pushing both firewire and USB, and both are supposed to be part
of Windows 98. USB will be on everything, while firewire is a high bandwidth
option for medium and high-end machines, especially those for multimedia
applications. Sort of like how now, every machine has a printer port, but
not everything has ethernet or scsi. Firewire is supposed to replace things
like scsi, parallel ports, and ethernet for some applications. It will be
used for audio, digital video, disk drives, dvd drives, scanners, printers,
digital cameras, etc. In this context, musical instruments are another pc
peripheral and would be expected to have this interface too.

As far as looping goes, it a performance looping context you are basically
excercising control over audio streams in real time. This is exactly the
sort of thing that firewire is designed to do. So instead being limited to
keeping audio loop data in one box, you would be able to freely route it in
real time, as you manipulate and control it. That's what you all want to do,
right?

kim 

At 12:32 PM 10/22/97 -0700, Scot Gresham-Lancaster wrote:
>At the recent SIGGRAPH yamaha showed a very interesting mixing system that
>was capable of  16bit 44.1k 100+ channels using fire wire. This looked like
>a fairly amazing system and promised to bust open the digital audio market.
>It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to imagine a control protocol being
>developed in this context...once the hardware is in place that is. 
>
>BTW ...USB is significantly slower and a much tighter and expensive
>development ramp up. Which means that Microsoft will probably puch it
>instead...sigh...
>
>At 11:28 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>As we discovered with zipi, and as Greg just demonstrated for us, making
>>these changes from within the music industry is very hard. The industry is
>>very slow and not willing to take risks, and usually not very up to date on
>>current technology trends.
>>
>>Fortunately, I guess, we have microsoft. Microsoft is dictating as part of
>>the PC '98 specification that all PC's from here on out have only USB and
>>Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces. This means that you will not have midi
>>ports grafted on the joystick connector anymore, or hacked into a serial
>>port or whatever. Midi control data will be communicated over firewire or
>>USB. These peripheral networks will also be used for transmitting audio and
>>video, so all of these things can easily be lumped together in one wire.
>
>>
>Scot Gresham-Lancaster
>< Composer, Performer, Instrument Designer, Consultant, Technician, Educator >
>ph: 510-885-3150   fax:510-885-3146
>email: scot@csuhayward.edu
>www: http://tesla.csuhayward.edu/~sglbio.html
>
>The market place is where greedy people cooperate. 
>A community takes imagination ....Robert Haas
>
>
>
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint		       408-752-9284
Mpact System Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com
Chromatic Research             http://www.chromatic.com

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Microsoft is pushing both firewire and USB, and both are supposed to be part
of Windows 98. USB will be on everything, while firewire is a high bandwidth
option for medium and high-end machines, especially those for multimedia
applications. Sort of like how now, every machine has a printer port, but
not everything has ethernet or scsi. Firewire is supposed to replace things
like scsi, parallel ports, and ethernet for some applications. It will be
used for audio, digital video, disk drives, dvd drives, scanners, printers,
digital cameras, etc. In this context, musical instruments are another pc
peripheral and would be expected to have this interface too.

As far as looping goes, it a performance looping context you are basically
excercising control over audio streams in real time. This is exactly the
sort of thing that firewire is designed to do. So instead being limited to
keeping audio loop data in one box, you would be able to freely route it in
real time, as you manipulate and control it. That's what you all want to do,
right?

kim 

At 12:32 PM 10/22/97 -0700, Scot Gresham-Lancaster wrote:
>At the recent SIGGRAPH yamaha showed a very interesting mixing system that
>was capable of  16bit 44.1k 100+ channels using fire wire. This looked like
>a fairly amazing system and promised to bust open the digital audio market.
>It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to imagine a control protocol being
>developed in this context...once the hardware is in place that is. 
>
>BTW ...USB is significantly slower and a much tighter and expensive
>development ramp up. Which means that Microsoft will probably puch it
>instead...sigh...
>
>At 11:28 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>As we discovered with zipi, and as Greg just demonstrated for us, making
>>these changes from within the music industry is very hard. The industry is
>>very slow and not willing to take risks, and usually not very up to date on
>>current technology trends.
>>
>>Fortunately, I guess, we have microsoft. Microsoft is dictating as part of
>>the PC '98 specification that all PC's from here on out have only USB and
>>Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces. This means that you will not have midi
>>ports grafted on the joystick connector anymore, or hacked into a serial
>>port or whatever. Midi control data will be communicated over firewire or
>>USB. These peripheral networks will also be used for transmitting audio and
>>video, so all of these things can easily be lumped together in one wire.
>
>>
>Scot Gresham-Lancaster
>< Composer, Performer, Instrument Designer, Consultant, Technician, Educator >
>ph: 510-885-3150   fax:510-885-3146
>email: scot@csuhayward.edu
>www: http://tesla.csuhayward.edu/~sglbio.html
>
>The market place is where greedy people cooperate. 
>A community takes imagination ....Robert Haas
>
>
>
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint		       408-752-9284
Mpact System Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com
Chromatic Research             http://www.chromatic.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:41:32 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: "Show of Hands" sounds
Message-Id: <v01520d00b073ccd87c6b@[205.177.25.43]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Michale said:

>Well, a bunch of acoustic players get some pretty steel-drum-ish sounds on
>Fripp & Crafty Guitarist's "Show of Hands".  I think they're playing above
>the nut tho'... do you need the sound to be tunable?
>
>Michael


ACtually those sounds on the piece " A Connecticut Yankee in the Court of
King Arthur" are made by twisting two adjaacent strings together. In
contemporary classical guitar technique this is referred to appropriately
enough as "the snare drum" effect. Among others Czech guitarist/composer
Stepan Rak also has used this technique to good musical use.

Patrick


 ***  ***    ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html  ***  **

  

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:46:31 -0700
From: Sean Echevarria <sechevar@california.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: 2 questions
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971022194631.009c35b0@global.california.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

A lot of people have recommended the Roland EV-10 for use with the Vortex.
Doesn't look like it's made anymore.  Any consensus on the EV-5?

And second, has anyone actually gotten the Echoplex upgrade since Oberheim
moved cross country?  Just trying to find out if it's safe to send them
money at this point.

Thanks,
Sean

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:00:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Fmplautus@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  test - ignore
Message-ID: <971023020000_-1494458379@emout13.mail.aol.com>

got your message, Kim

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:16:37 -0400
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata)
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <01BCDF83.9AFCCD60@mark.asisoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Here are the settings for the Steel Drum patch on the original Peavey ProFex preamp.  You can probably get a similar sound with a similar collection of stomp boxes or another multi-effects unit.

Compressor
Attack = extra fast
Release = slow
Sustain = 6 (maximum)
Level = 100%
Noise Gate Through = 10 (maximum)

3 Band EQ
Type = Drastic
Low = 0 (flat)
Mid Frequency = 2.1 KHz
Mid Gain = -33 (where 0 = flat, 100 = maximum boost, -100 = maximum cut)
High = -34

Pitch Shifter
Course Pitch = +12 (one octave up)
Cents = +50
Pre-Delay = 0 ms
Feedback = 48%
Mix = 62%

Reverb
Type = Tunnel
Size = Huge
Pre-Delay = 0 ms
Time = 0.2 sec.
Damp = 1 KHz
Mix = 100%

I hope this helps.

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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From: 	Len Seligman[SMTP:seligman@mitre.org]
Sent: 	Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:33 AM
To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: 	marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds

Hi folks,

I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric
violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include
marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions
about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
electric guitar or violin?

Thanks,
Len Seligman

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:38:17 -0500
From: "Type in your real name here" <username@itis.com (please Replace)>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Jam Man:  sell or trade
Message-ID: <01bcdfda$72d41ee0$640753d1@greg>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BCDFB0.89FE16E0"

     I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is  gathering dust and would be put to much better use by somebody else.Ê I am  most interested in trading it for a midi sound module that would work nicely  with a midi guitar controller (Shadow 075).Ê I do not know what a  reasonable selling price would be, so I could use some feedback on that as  well. Ê Thanks Ê Greg Rosenberg gregory@itis.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:31:59 +0100
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: New DOD pedal
Message-Id: <4487.199710231931@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The new FX98 pedal will have looping, 8 sec delay, or 4 sec REVERSE delay.
Not to be confused with the current echo box. (FX96).  This is from the
current UK guitar mags - DOD haven't put it on their website yet.  I think
it's called the Echosonic.

Michael

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:08:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Drumworker@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Echoplex Digital Wanted
Message-ID: <971023180729_2091056537@emout03.mail.aol.com>

I need an Echoplex for a project that I'm working on - ASAP, but if I have to
wait, (I know they're back-ordered at the factory) I will. However, if you
know of one that's for sale please contact me directly - "drumworker@aol.com"

Thanks,

P. Ormandy
Toronto.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:30:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark  Sottilaro <msottila@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Jam Man:  sell or trade
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.971023192908.17792B-100000@rodan.syr.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Type in your real name here wrote:

> I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering dust and would be put to much better use by somebody else.  I am most interested in trading it for a midi sound module that would work nicely with a midi guitar controller (Shadow 075).  I do not know what a reasonable selling price would be, so I could use some feedback on that as well.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Greg Rosenberg
> gregory@itis.com
> 
You can get anywhere from $250 to $300 for the JamMan.  If you are
interested in selling it outright, I may have a buyer who is interested.
Let me know.

Mark.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:34:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dpcoffin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Vortex for sale
Message-ID: <971023193249_-790135361@emout08.mail.aol.com>

Greetings, gearheads
I've decided to part with my once-loved Vortex, since under-used fx units are
starting to stack up around here...
Its got a User's manual, the Applications manual, and two Lexicon dual
footswitches.
Best offer over $235, COD shipping included.
David Coffin
dcoffin@taunton.com work
dpcoffin@aol.com home
800-283-7252, ext 518 days, EST
860-354-1571 eves

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:35:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dpcoffin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE1394 and music
Message-ID: <971023193534_-760474047@emout01.mail.aol.com>

Last I heard from Korg, these things won't ship til after the winter NAMM
show.
They sound pretty cool on paper, tho..
dpc

<<Have any of you folks had a chance to play with the Korg DL-8000 looper
yet? I read
that the price in the UK is going to be UKP500 ($800) or so - not bad for an
imported
high-tech device over here!>>

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 13:56:29 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Breath controller?
Message-Id: <199710231852.LAA31478@scv2.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Not related to looping, but there's been enough discussion of various 
ways to implement real-time control of paramenters during performance 
that I thought I'd tap the collective knowledge of the group.

Has anyone heard of a breath controller than can be used to generate MIDI 
CV messages?  I remember that Allan Holdsworth used to use a breath 
controller with his SynthAxe, but I believe that was part of the SynthAxe 
package.  I'm interested in trying to find a standalone unit which I 
could plug in to any MIDI CV input.  My immediate use for this would be 
to give me a breath-controlled volume controller, to aid in simulating 
horn and string sounds.  I've used a volume pedal for a long time, but 
the physical distance the pedal has to travel prevents really quick 
attacks and releases.  I also think, that with practice, it would be 
easier to vary the volume level during a held sound than with the volume 
pedal.

Anyone know of such a device?

Travis Hartnett

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:41:04 +0200
From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk>
To: 'Loopers-Delight' <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: It could be a new looping device.
Message-ID: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B4907090F@www.ihs.dk>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi out there.

I'm in the process of establishing a company with a product line of "out
there" musical effects and accessories. What I refer to as "out there"
is anything that is wild, bizarre or in some way new and/or different
that other products on the market.
Therefore I would ask all of you "out there" people to tell me what you
would like. Everything from small ideas to complete product descriptions
will be appreciated.

I don't think and hope that this letter in anyway break to rules for
this list. After all, we will all benefit from this.

Thank you,

Stefan.

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:30:53 -0700
From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Breath controller?
Message-Id: <199710240130.SAA00698@mailtod-1.alma.webtv.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT

I use a Yamaha BC-1 breath controller plugged into an Anatek "Wind
Machine". This unit converts the output from the breath controller into
a midi control message that then can then be fed to any of my midi
intelligent rack goodies. Having the ability to route this modulation
source to any parameter destination has really increased my weirdness.
Try it !!!!   

Carlos R. Carrillo

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:53:14 -0400
From: "G. Peterson" <rainham@connection.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Wanted
message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.5888.11592@204.138.111.42
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello P. Ormandy, I tried sending you a message off list but it came back
as a bad address.  
Would you mind shooting my correct email.

Cheers, 

Gordon

----------
> From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> To: Rainham
> Subject: Echoplex Digital Wanted
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 7:23 PM
> 
> 
> I need an Echoplex for a project that I'm working on - ASAP, but if I
have to
> wait, (I know they're back-ordered at the factory) I will. However, if
you
> know of one that's for sale please contact me directly -
"drumworker@aol.com"
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> P. Ormandy
> Toronto.

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:11:15 -0400
From: djdowling@earthlink.net
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <345003C3.3042@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

All of these sounds are in the Roland gr-30 guitar synth.
Dave

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:25:53 +0200
From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk>
To: 'Loopers-Delight' <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Patrick, about my company.
Message-ID: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B49070910@www.ihs.dk>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi Patrick.

I'm sorry if I expressed myself wrong.
My company is dedicated to "out there" product, therefore we need info
from artists around the world to make the best "out there" products for
your needs.
We are however also working on some of our own ideas, but I'm sorry to
say that I can't get into details about these yet because we are working
on some pretty innovative stuff and need the patents first.

Thank you for your interest.

Stefan.

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:36:02 -0500
From: "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
Message-ID: <345033C2.2BE2@dmans.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Len Seligman (by way of Kim Flint) wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric
> violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include
> marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions
> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an
> electric guitar or violin?
> 
> Thanks,
> Len Seligman

Put a Roland GK-2A pickup on your axe, connect it to a GR-30 guitar
synthesizer and you can have more personalities than Cybil.

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:54:07 -0500
From: "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@dmans.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI?
Message-ID: <345037FF.4EC@dmans.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Mark Kata wrote:

> Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon:  Do you know anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI?

> Mark,
  Sorry, but I am ZIPI illiterate. I do, however have a GR50, and my
partner in the Boomerang venture has a GR30. I would be enthusiastic
about anything that would improve tracking.

Mike Nelson, co-owner

Boomerang Musical Products
PO Box 541595
Dallas, TX 75354-1595

Tel       800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913)
Fax       214-343-1038
email     mnelson@dmans.com
web page  http://www.boomerangmusic.com

------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:46:57 -0700
From: Gil Morales <faderboy@faderboy.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Jam Man:  sell or trade
Message-ID: <34506081.5899@faderboy.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Type in your real name here wrote:
> 
> I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering
> dust and would be put to much better use by somebody else.  I am most
> interested in trading it for a midi sound module that would work
> nicely with a midi guitar controller (Shadow 075).  I do not know what
> a reasonable selling price would be, so I could use some feedback on
> that as well.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Greg Rosenberg
> gregory@itis.com

I'd give you $300 for it - I'm in dire need of one...

thanks

Gil Morales
-- 
PEACE

faderboy@faderboy.com

http://www.faderboy.com/

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:44:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: PJBMHB@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Vortex for sale
Message-ID: <971024064425_-693286144@emout09.mail.aol.com>

i have seen spanking new vorteces for less than this on sale. you might want
to come down a bit in price. sorry, =-) PJ

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:19:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dpcoffin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Vortex for sale
Message-ID: <971024091930_83986316@mrin40.mail.aol.com>

<<i have seen spanking new vorteces for less than this on sale. you might
want
to come down a bit in price. sorry, =-) PJ>>
Well, thanks, but I'm not the Price Club, and that's what it'll currently
take to pry it from my covetous grasp! There's at least that much pleasure
left for me in the old box, whenever I get around to it...
dpc

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:02:22 EDT
From: Dpcoffin <Dpcoffin@aol.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Vortex for sale
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Re: the question of what a Vortex should sell for:
FYI, I've already sold mine--and turned away another offer--at $235, within 12
hours of posting it...
dpc 

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:23:34 +0100
From: Erik Ljones <eriklj@stud.ntnu.no>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds
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Matt wrote:
>Try putting tiny alligator clips on your strings at various positions.  You
>can get some weird ringy/gongish/percussive sounds depending on where you
>place the clips.  I purchased a pack of 12 clips at Radio Shack for less
>than 4 bucks.  They come in different sizes but I went with the smallest.

Since english is not my native language, would someone be kind and explain
to me what an alligator clip is? Is Radio Shack some kind of an electronics
dealer...I was wondering where in Norway I should go to look for something
like this. 

Also, I finally got ahold of a decent ring modulator w/ a multiplier chip
in it. It has two inputs (no internal oscillator on this unit), so I was
wondering if any of you guitarists out there have any ideas for signals to
modulate my guitars with...I'm into the concept of creating new and
interesting sounds with a guitar, so anything unusual is especially of
interest. 
As for the not so drastic use of a ring mod, I probably should get an
oscillator that can generate all the simple waveforms. Where & how can I
get something like this without having to spend all my money? Any advice
and/or suggestions on this would be deeply appreciated. Thanks

Erik Ljones  

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:40:17 +0200
From: David & Daniel Ferguson <breakz@hom.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Breath controller?
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I believe Yamaha has in it's current production line a "wind 
controller", of course the DX synths had breath controler inputs, but I 
don't think any MIDI CC data is produced, also there is some sort of 3rd 
party box that you can plug the old DX breath controller and I believe 
it transmits MIDI CC, I'll look in to it.

Daniel Ferguson

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