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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 97 : Issue 18

Today's Topics:
  RE: Musicians Friend $199 JamMan (ki  [ "Mascarini, Rick (Corp)" <Rick.Masc ]
  Jamman Faxes - was: RE: Musicians Fr  [ David Talento <legion@voicenet.com> ]
  Re: Musicians Friend $199 JamMan (ki  [ Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski,  ]
  Re: Echoplex Pedal Needed             [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  RE: exact jamman memory specs?        [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re: Jamman Faxes - was: RE: Musician  [ nyfac <nyfac2@nyfac.com> ]
  Re: Jamman Faxes - was: RE: Musician  [ Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski,  ]
  switching loops a,b,c, in echoplex H  [ Kem McNair <KemMc@n-jcenter.com> ]
  Sorry, but MF wouldn't give it up fo  [ nyfac <nyfac2@nyfac.com> ]
  RE: Greg's help                       [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Sorry, but MF wouldn't give it u  [ lowfrqcy@west.net (mulB nayR) ]
  Re: Anti-MIDI looping                 [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: Website UP                        [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Jman upgrades                         [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ]
  Anti-MIDI looping (Partially)         [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ]
  Re: Jman upgrades                     [ nyfac <nyfac2@nyfac.com> ]
  Re: Anti-MIDI looping                 [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  (un)Soldering                         [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: switching loops a,b,c, in echopl  [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Anti-MIDI looping (Partially)     [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Re: beyond:what, or whom? re-sent: f  [ Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> ]
  re:(un)Soldering                      [ "Bret Moreland" <Bret_Moreland@maxt ]

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:17:51 -0500
From: "Mascarini, Rick (Corp)" <Rick.Mascarini@Corporate.ge.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Musicians Friend $199 JamMan (kinda)
Message-ID: <c=US%a=Mark400%p=GE%l=X01SCHCORPGE-970127171751Z-36465@xsmtpcincorpge.GE.COM>

Me too !!! At $199.00 I'll buy a third one of these puppies ....
Please include a fax to the '2394' number as well.
Regards,

Rick Mascarini
GE GSO/Information Delivery Services
Voice & Fax:  8*235.5187,  518.385.2394


>----------
>From:  angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu[SMTP:angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu]
>Sent:  Monday, January 27, 1997 12:07 PM
>To:    Mascarini, Rick (Corp)
>Subject:       Re: Musicians Friend $199 JamMan (kinda)
>
>I'd like a fax too, for $199 price of Jamman ...
>
>FAX: (215) 573-3880
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________________
>
>Emmanuel Angel
>Nuclear Medicine Physics and Instrumentation Group
>University of Pennsylvania
>Philadelphia, PA
>19104
>
>(215) 662-7214 (voice)
>angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:46:11 -0500 (EST)
From: David Talento <legion@voicenet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Jamman Faxes  - was: RE: Musicians Friend $199 JamMan (kinda)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970127122904.6427A-100000@omni1>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

> >I'd like a fax too, for $199 price of Jamman ...
 
etc etc...

boys, you are going to ruin a good thing very quickly with this.

First of all guitar center will probably not be too keen on sending out a 
fax of a confirmed price for a unit they are blowing out. Once maybe. 
Twice they will get suspicious. three or more they will stop doing it 
entirely and even if they do send out a fax or two they will quickly 
catch on when someone calls them up for the "price" and then no sale 
comes it to them. GC is not known for customer service in the first place. 
get the same sales drone twice trying to do this and they'll stop helping 
you ASAP. even faxing an ad of on of their flyers (without talking to the 
store) may lead to problems.

I have bought stuff from MF and Musician Discount Warehouse a couple 
times and they usually asked me for the phone number and price of the 
place selling them. they then made the call and confirmed the price and 
got back to me. (They never did this with a GC though) When I call up a 
Sam ash or other chain store I usually get a "come in and buy it" routine. 
They have been very relcutant to give prices over the phone let alone via 
fax in writing. That's the way the chains work.

The one shot at doing this may be *if* GC is sold out and still has the 
price advertised. Even then if MF calls them up i wouln't hope for much.

Moral of the story: Perhaps we should be buying the units from GC *if* 
they have them in stock. If they don't and you've got a confrimed price 
get the Phone # and call MF. They will confrim the price for themselves 
and you'll get the deal.

>> VERY IMPORTANT << 

here's the kicker to the plan:

If MF confirms the price for one of you (either via a call or Fax)  
get the store they've confirmed it from and the Rep you spoke with 
at MF. Post it to the list and that way that rep will have the data they 
need and won't need to repeat check (and perhaps "blow it" with GC) This 
might work best as the MF rep will also have some incentive to help you 
because  they'll get a bunch of sales from the Loopers list and will 
hopefully get a bit of commision for their troubles.

Just some ideas so everyone can benefit without losing the opportunity. 
this ;list is small but mighty and if you all cooperate it should work 
and everyone (including the stores) will be satisfied. heh, the buying 
power of loopers speaks...

good luck!

--------
Help Wanted Productions - Bringing you the best in organic electronic and 
sweaty rock music since we started.  Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion

Available next month: "The Feedback Machine" a new studio album 
from the Music for Isolation Tanks live lineup. Only $6.00 postpaid!


 

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:55:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Musicians Friend $199 JamMan (kinda)
Message-Id: <v01520d04af1265552e78@[208.196.54.58]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

and me as well at 302/577-4359 ... thanks, Paul


At 12:07 PM 1/27/97, Emmanuel Angel wrote:
>I'd like a fax too, for $199 price of Jamman ...
>
>FAX: (215) 573-3880
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________________
>
>Emmanuel Angel
>Nuclear Medicine Physics and Instrumentation Group
>University of Pennsylvania
>Philadelphia, PA
>19104
>
>(215) 662-7214 (voice)
>angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:42:28 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex Pedal Needed
Message-Id: <v01510100af11ccb35255@[128.193.5.1]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 4:04 PM 1/26/97, James Reynolds wrote:
>>>A friend is wanting to buy an Echoplex from Washington Music Center, but in
>>>the past month they have been unable to produce the pedal to go with it.
>>>They say it is on back order. Is this generally a production issue? Any
>>>suggestions where he might find both? Or just the pedal?
>>
>>Make your own. Its really simple and for a lower price you can do it
>>better, and according to your taste and needs, easily.
>>
>>Kim gave a lot of explanations on the site, if its not enough, keep asking.
>>
>
>if anyone else is planning on or has actually made a pedal, i'm planning on
>making a combo floor pedal for my jamperson and vortex (my plex pedal works
>fine but the lexicon pedals are flimsy).  i'm trying to track down some
>solid, reasonably priced, industrial momentary pushbutton switches to use in
>the thing.  since they need to be used for tapping tempos and such, the
>action can't be too stiff.  if anyone has had any success in this endeavor
>or can offer recommendations, let me know!
>
This is probably not quite what you're looking for, but I've been using a
double sustain pedal setup that came with one of my keyboards to control
the J-Man, 2 piano-style pedals with a stereo cord. It seems to be easier
to engage the loop in rhythm using this instead of the standard cheapo
switch that comes from lexicon.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
                                     -Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:12:00 -0500
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: exact jamman memory specs?
Message-Id: <9701271822.AA10287@beryllium.lexicon.com>

Stew Benedict asked:"Does anyone have the exact spec (generic part number - 
whatever) for the Jamman "zip" memory?"

The answer is 1Mega Byte x 4 bits at100 nanoseconds or faster 20 pin zip 
style DRAM, quantity 4.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I 
can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:09:48 -0500
From: nyfac <nyfac2@nyfac.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Jamman Faxes  - was: RE: Musicians Friend $199 JamMan (kinda)
Message-ID: <32EE4EFC.3F54@nyfac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> If MF confirms the price for one of you (either via a call or Fax)
> get the store they've confirmed it from and the Rep you spoke with
> at MF. Post it to the list and that way that rep will have the data they
> need and won't need to repeat check (and perhaps "blow it" with GC) This
> might work best as the MF rep will also have some incentive to help you
> because  they'll get a bunch of sales from the Loopers list and will
> hopefully get a bit of commision for their troubles.

Sounds like a plan.  What is the best price that someone has gotten from
their favorite MF salesperson and what is his name?  I have been waiting
to get one of these bad boys for a while now and, dammit, I'm sick of
waiting!)

Trev

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:59:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Jamman Faxes  - was: RE: Musicians Friend $199 JamMan (kinda)
Message-Id: <v01520d00af1290717654@[208.196.54.58]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

spoke with MF and they are willing to go to $319 I believe ... would not
match GC price since they way their inventory was purchased before the
close-out

Paul


At 2:09 PM 1/28/97, nyfac wrote:
>> If MF confirms the price for one of you (either via a call or Fax)
>> get the store they've confirmed it from and the Rep you spoke with
>> at MF. Post it to the list and that way that rep will have the data they
>> need and won't need to repeat check (and perhaps "blow it" with GC) This
>> might work best as the MF rep will also have some incentive to help you
>> because  they'll get a bunch of sales from the Loopers list and will
>> hopefully get a bit of commision for their troubles.
>
>Sounds like a plan.  What is the best price that someone has gotten from
>their favorite MF salesperson and what is his name?  I have been waiting
>to get one of these bad boys for a while now and, dammit, I'm sick of
>waiting!)
>
>Trev

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:24:51 -0500
From: Kem McNair <KemMc@n-jcenter.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: switching loops a,b,c, in echoplex How?
Message-Id: <32ED1D24.4CAD@n-jcenter.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi. Folks 
Ive Got an echoplex dig. pro with 16 meg of ram in it. and have been
writing killer loops with multi,layers of drums ,guitar,bass & 
effects.  Now I need to do multi.layer loops, a,b,and c of a tune. then
be able to change to a,b or c after there written, on the fly  and lay
the parts to tape. Is this possible? If so, a step by step
explanation would be greatly appreciated. Boy It would be nice if
oberheim would put a SCSI port on the back of the echoplex  to save and
load loop samples to a hard drive.  That would be really useful
in live performance. 
Thanks for the input
KemMc@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:43:38 -0500
From: nyfac <nyfac2@nyfac.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Sorry, but MF wouldn't give it up for $199.99
Message-ID: <32EE8F2A.2781@nyfac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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cking@xsite.net wrote:
> 
> I have a copy of Guitar (rip-off) Centers flyer. Send me your fax number
> and I will send it along. Take care,
> 
> Curt King
> cking@xsite.net
> Studio Zro
> Chicago,USA, Earth
> 
> <><><><><><><><>
> 
> "Taste is the enemy of art"

Hate to say this, boys and girls, but MF will NOT honor the price match
in this case (at least they didn't with me).  Thay say that they have a
little caveat that states they will not honor blow-outs/factory
clearances.  They gave me one for $315.00, so you should be able do just
as well.

Now we just have to find the memory upgrades...


Trevor

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:12:22 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Greg's help
Message-Id: <v01520d06af12bf0b9107@[200.254.32.119]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Thanks for the kind comments, Matthias.  I take great pride in Lexicons
>products and our history.  You will notice that all of my postings are
>during business hours Eastern Standard Time.  Our official policy is that
>products are supported for at least five years after they were last shipped
>from our factory. We will always try to be as helpful as possible to anyone
>who owns any of our products as it's only common sense that if you satisfy
>your past customers they will remain to be future customers.  I try to
>respond in as timely manner as possible and I find it personally
>embarrassing that people are actually surprised when a phone call is
>returned.

This is like "old fashioned quality" if I dare say so. Ethics do not seem
to be in fashion. I hope this policy of LEXICON will be proven to be
correct!

I am a great Lexicon fan anyway. I went through PCM42, PCM70, LXP15 and
ended with PCM80 and PCM90 now. And there never was any problem!
The sad thing was that my proposual for a looper back in '88 was not accepted...

Thanks again
Matthias

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:42:08 -0800 (PST)
From: lowfrqcy@west.net (mulB nayR)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Sorry, but MF wouldn't give it up for $199.99
Message-Id: <v01530502af12b5887199@[205.254.225.13]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hey again,

>Hate to say this, boys and girls, but MF will NOT honor the price match
>in this case (at least they didn't with me).  Thay say that they have a
>little caveat that states they will not honor blow-outs/factory
>clearances.

yes, sorry for speaking so soon...garsh, someone called me this evening to
inform me of that.  shouldn't have spoke so soon when all i had was a sales
rep's word.

again, very sorry, maybe i can set out another better foot later...=)
Ryan

----
Ryan Blum          "...to play 'Giant Steps' because you can seems
lowfrqcy@west.net     rediculous to me. I went through that, but
ironwood stick #918     I was 14 years old."      - John Medeski
www.west.net/~lowfrqcy

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:20:39 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Anti-MIDI looping
Message-Id: <v02140b00af135d7e385e@[207.171.196.218]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Hi Looping People
>
>I want to go into looping music. The 'Plex is a desirable machine (and I've
>an old Echoplex from the 60's), but I fear the MIDI headache. I hate MIDI.

You can hate midi all you like and still use an Echoplex, since you don't
need midi to use it! Same with the jamman. Both can be used just fine with
the front panel switches or their respective footpedals.

Both can also be controlled with midi if you happen to be among the
adventurous few willing to try such modern networking architectures.

And if you happen to be among the cynical few who hate midi because it is a
pathetic joke, ineptly kludged together by a decade of idiots too timid to
look around them and notice that modern networking technology passed them
by 35 years ago, and now forced upon the world forever by even bigger
idiots in Redmond, why then you can happily use your echoplex/jamman
without midi too.

(oops. where did that come from?)

>All my gear is pre-midi, I'm still using CV/gate, triggers, 24p clocks and
>FSK code.

Being a guitar player, I only use gear designed in the past 5 years or more
than 40 years ago. I can't relate to technologies from the 70's, so I don't
know what you're talking about here. :-)

The plex can sync to pulses, using the BeatSync input. Does that help?

>
>I'm looking for a simple and solid machine.

Probably the plex or jamman would be fine. The trick at the moment, it
seems, is finding either one of them available for sale.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:40:53 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Teed Rockwell <74164.3703@CompuServe.COM>,
 Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Website UP
Message-Id: <v02140b03af137942bef2@[207.171.196.205]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Dear Friends and Family,
>
>        This is to let you know that I now have a website, with pictures,
>downloadable Chapman stick music,(A solo piece in which I use the Oberheim
>Echoplex Digital Pro in some innovative ways), essays on the aesthetics of
>multicultural music, and lots of other good stuff. If you want to see it,
>go to:
>
>        www.traktor.com/presents/teed/

I just checked this out. Interesting stuff... Nice work Teed!

If y'all go here:

http://www.traktor.com/presents/teed/music.htm

You can enjoy Teed's performance with his stick and echoplex. Very nice! A
very musical piece of looping.....

kim



______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 05:58:33 -0500 (EST)
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Jman upgrades
Message-ID: <970128055833_409675473@emout04.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 1/27/97 9:36:39 PM, Trevor (concerning the Jamman) wrote:

<<Now we just have to find the memory upgrades...>>

They're readily aveilable through any local electronics store or wharehouse
.DON"T go through a music store --mail order or otherwise--you'll get
ripped.--Paul

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:04:22 GMT
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Anti-MIDI looping (Partially)
Message-Id: <26297.199701281004@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Anybody aware of a simple, pedal or kit for sending a single program change
message?  I'm trying to build a footpedal for my JM, and whilst some
functions are direct-control, some require MIDI (fade etc).   If I could
get a cct which just fires the appropriate program change, I avoid the
expense of a complete MIDI footboard, and resist any temptation to attempt
MIDIfying any prospective Vortex...

Michael

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes      Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979        University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
    "Wha's like us?  Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:53:29 -0500
From: nyfac <nyfac2@nyfac.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Jman upgrades
Message-ID: <32EF5659.167E@nyfac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 1/27/97 9:36:39 PM, Trevor (concerning the Jamman) wrote:
> 
> <<Now we just have to find the memory upgrades...>>
> 
> They're readily aveilable through any local electronics store or wharehouse
> .DON"T go through a music store --mail order or otherwise--you'll get
> ripped.--Paul


Thanks, man.  Do you have any favorites?  Anyone?

I would say that maybe we should put some of this info on the page, but
considering that I doubt there will many non-upgraded JamPeople in this
group.  I have seen these questions before, but I never seem to catch
the answers.


Trev

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:20:29 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Anti-MIDI looping
Message-Id: <v01520d01af13e8587fdc@[200.254.32.130]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>I want to go into looping music. The 'Plex is a desirable machine (and I've
>>an old Echoplex from the 60's), but I fear the MIDI headache. I hate MIDI.
>
>You can hate midi all you like and still use an Echoplex, since you don't
>need midi to use it! Same with the jamman. Both can be used just fine with
>the front panel switches or their respective footpedals.

Thats it. I do not hate MIDI, but I do not like its limits for playing
expression. So I use it only to control parameters of my effects with
faders on the flor. That works fine. My Plex is not midied at all.

>And if you happen to be among the cynical few who hate midi because it is a
>pathetic joke, ineptly kludged together by a decade of idiots too timid to
>look around them and notice that modern networking technology passed them
>by 35 years ago, and now forced upon the world forever by even bigger
>idiots in Redmond, why then you can happily use your echoplex/jamman
>without midi too.
>
>(oops. where did that come from?)

:-) These are words from a EE who fought in service for the ZIPI standard
which would be much better than MIDI, but probably will not become
popular...

>>All my gear is pre-midi, I'm still using CV/gate, triggers, 24p clocks and
>>FSK code.

>The plex can sync to pulses, using the BeatSync input. Does that help?

Sure! You can sycronize it that way with the analog sequencer, sending out
a trigger once a sequence to the BeatSync. Or reverse, BeatSync can also be
configured to put out a trigger once a loop.
I doubt the JamMan has this option, does it?

Matthias

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:20:37 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: (un)Soldering
Message-Id: <v01520d02af13ea3df1ab@[200.254.32.130]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Olivier was searching for help, and I post this to the list, hoping that
others might want to learn about soldering.
If you do not want to solder at all, consider changing your mind, it helps
saving money and making strange cables on the spot.
If you know all about it, delete.

>Well yes. I eventually end up unscrewing the vortex with the soldering
>iron in the other hand and... I'll be pretty ridiculous...

You sure take your time to gather curage :-)

The faulty pot
>is solderred by 6 points. I spent 1 hour tryng to unsolder the bad one..
>And never succeeded (I told you I was to look like an idiot!) How do you
>people used with electronic stuff do to unsolder a thing with many
>soldering points? Of course each time I had one unsoldered, the pot was
>still firmy attached by the 5 others, and the time to get an other one dne
>the first was already cold again.

I should have told you: there are three tools:
-One is a special wire, cheap that sucks the solder (capilary effect or
so). You just hold it on the solder, heat it up, and when the solder is in
the wire, you cut that piece and trow it away.

-Two is a small vacuum pump. Its cost like 10$ and might work a little
better. You heat the solder, hold the pump on it, press its button and
shluppp, the solder is sucked it

-Three is the best, but expensive. It is a solder iron with a canal in its
tip and a pump behind. If all fails, you will have to go to a rep to use
this machine.

>My pityfull attempts led to nothing but signs of fatigue on the mother
>board.

This is a serious problem. The solder lugs can come off the board,
especially when forcing it while its hot.
Once it happened you can still fix it, reforcing with plain wire.

>Because I was quite lucky, this petty work led to  -I suppose- over
>heating the faulty pot that now works perfectly (!!!).

You are lucky really. I had a case with a Eventide unit, where the flux was
hindering the oscilator. Heating it resolved the problem forever. I doubt
that this is your case, though...

>The soldering metal did not came with the iron

Buy some dedicated soldering wire (about 1mmD) with the flux liquid IN it.
Its common. The flux is necessary to make the contact smooth. For a good
solder point, you heat the point, add the wire, and as soon as it flows
nice and filled the point, you go away with the soldering iron. If you have
to heat it longer to put things in place, give it another bit of the
soldering wire in the end, so its flux finishes up again, to make a shiny
smooth little heap. The opaque ones tend to fail after some years...

> there is metal on both
>sides of the mother board. One side is not possibl to access beacise of
>the pot themselves.

With the tools above, you can suck it through the whole, but its not very easy.

>God knows I feel so ridiculous...

Never mind. But its good to know a bit about soldering.

Matthias

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:20:45 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: switching loops a,b,c, in echoplex How?
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KemMc asked:
>Hi. Folks
>Ive Got an echoplex dig. pro with 16 meg of ram in it. and have been
>writing killer loops with multi,layers of drums ,guitar,bass &
>effects.

let us hear those, please, I never heard a "killer loop" :-).
There is a comunity CD project going on the list.
Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM> is kindly doing the compilation.

>Now I need to do multi.layer loops, a,b,and c of a tune. then
>be able to change to a,b or c after there written, on the fly and lay
>the parts to tape. Is this possible?

I would love to help you, but could not quite understand the problem.
You are using NEXT to lay down the parts in separate loops, which you
manage to do, right?
And now you want to copy a sequence of those parts to tape, is that it?
So while playing one loop, you want to switch to the next - well, thats NEXT...
Explain!

>Boy It would be nice if
>oberheim would put a SCSI port on the back of the echoplex  to save and
>load loop samples to a hard drive.  That would be really useful
>in live performance.

We all dream of that. But the price might be in the range where its smarter
to use a computer right away. But there is no LOOP software to it.
This has been discussed in the beginning of this list, you find it in the
archive.

Matthias

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:35:00 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Anti-MIDI looping (Partially)
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At 2:04 AM 1/28/97, Dr M. P. Hughes wrote:
>Anybody aware of a simple, pedal or kit for sending a single program change
>message?  I'm trying to build a footpedal for my JM, and whilst some
>functions are direct-control, some require MIDI (fade etc).   If I could
>get a cct which just fires the appropriate program change, I avoid the
>expense of a complete MIDI footboard, and resist any temptation to attempt
>MIDIfying any prospective Vortex...
>
>Michael
>

I have an ART X-11 foot controller that works great w/ the jamman. It only
sends program changes, can't be programmed, but it's really simple, just 7
foot switches, a 2-digit LED, and a horrid purple/silver on black paintjob.
Got mine from a friend for $25 bucks a few years ago, don't think they're
made anymore, but you might find one used.

________________________________________________________
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self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
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and bulbous, got me?"
                                     -Captain Beefheart
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:38:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@PureAtria.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: beyond:what, or whom? re-sent: faulty slip.net
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Paolo Valladolid writes:
>I stopped listening to the radio.  Today, I only listen to the radio
>for football games. ^_^

There is good radio around.  Most of it is called "college radio".

Cf. my show's web pages:

http://www-kzsu.stanford.edu/~everett/

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 10:43:22 MST
From: "Bret Moreland" <Bret_Moreland@maxtor.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: re:(un)Soldering
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>Buy some dedicated soldering wire (about 1mmD) with the flux liquid IN 
it.
>Its common. The flux is necessary to make the contact smooth.


Make sure it's ROSIN flux not acid flux.  If you accidentally use acid 
flux, it will eventually damage your device.  Rosin flux is designed for 
electronics and printed circuit boards.

bret

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