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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 180

Today's Topics:
  Re: metal footcontroller enclosures   [ Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@gibson.com> ]
  Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16         [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16         [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]
  Re: Breath controller?                [ Paolo Valladolid <pvallado@wayneswo ]
  Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 
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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 180


Today's Topics:

  Re: metal footcontroller enclosures   [ Tom Spaulding <<tspauldi@gibson.com> ]

  Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16         [ "T.W. Hartnett" <<hartnett.t@apple.c ]

  Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16         [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]

  Re: Breath controller?                [ Paolo Valladolid <<pvallado@wayneswo ]

  Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16      [ miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) ]

  Re: Breath controller?                [ "c.voit" <<c.voit@vtx.ch> ]

  Re: It could be a new looping device  [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]

  Re: Re: It could be a new looping de  [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]

  RE: ring mod signals & Re: marimba,   [ Todd Pafford <<todd@galen.dyn.ml.org ]

  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ TritoneDW@aol.com ]

  Re: Vortex for sale                   [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]

  Re: It could be a new looping device  [ Kim Flint <<kflint@annihilist.com> ]

  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pyc ]

  Re: 2 questions                       [ Fmplautus@aol.com ]

  Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou  [ andre <<andre@monmouth.com> ]

  Re: New DOD pedal                     [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]

  Re: Re: Vortex for sale               [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]

  Re: Re: It could be a new looping de  [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]

  Re: RE: ring mod signals & Re: marim  [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]

  Re: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16  [ "gordon peterson" <<rainham@hotmail. ]

  Re: 2 questions                       [ Tom Spaulding <<tspauldi@gibson.com> ]

  Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16      [ Chris Chovit <<cho@newdream.net> ]

  Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16         [ Dave Stagner <<dstagner@icarus.net> ]

  Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Reissue     [ "G. Peterson" <<rainham@connection.c ]


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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:52:53 -0500

From: Tom Spaulding <<tspauldi@gibson.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: metal footcontroller enclosures

Message-Id: <<97Oct24.165535cdt.26884@gateway.gibson.com>

Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii"


Matt-


I found them at www.mouser.com 

They offer a free catalog and an e-mail address 


Try <bold>sales@mouser.com 

</bold>Ask for them by name!


Tom "Welcoming the fabulous Kim Flint to Twang Town" Spaulding at Oberheim


(Insert thoughtful music/creativity related quote from esteemed thinker here)




At 04:18 PM 10/24/97 -0500, you wrote:

>

>> From: Dave Stagner <<dstagner@icarus.net>

>

>> Angled-front aluminum boxes are available from Mouser, Digikey, and other

>> electronics supply shops.  A much harder problem is finding robust

>> momentary footswitches that can take stage abuse.

>

>Great!  Unfortunately, I've never heard of those stores.  I'm in

>California.  You don't happen to have their numbers handy do you?

>

>Matt

>

>

>


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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 16:44:32 -0000

From: "T.W. Hartnett" <<hartnett.t@apple.com>

To: "Looper's Delight" <<Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>

Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16

Message-Id: <<199710242140.OAA22124@scv4.apple.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"


>> I just gave them a call at that number, and they said that yes, they are 

>> planning to bring back the 16-second delay, but it'll probably be about 

>> 12 months before we see it.  Yee Haw.

>

>Did they give any indication as to how much they will cost?  Are they going

>to incorporate any new features such as MIDI control, more memory, etc? 


No, but given their previous track record, I'd suspect a near identical 

copy of the old one, same specs, appearance, etc.  And, off the top of my 

head, I think the Boomerang may offer all the functionality of the EH-16.


Travis Hartnett


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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:31:09 -0400 (EDT)

From: PJBMHB@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16

Message-ID: <<971024183108_863681844@mrin41.mail.aol.com>


i think the jamman does most of the things the eh does but no speed up or

slow down. i have a digitech delay that speeds up and slows down but doesn' t

do the backwards thing. the digitech also has kind of lame fidelity unlike

the jamman which sounds great. does the eh have good or bad fidelity? is it

noisy or quiet? PJ


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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:39:53 -0700 (PDT)

From: Paolo Valladolid <<pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Breath controller?

Message-Id: <<199710250039.RAA04310@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

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> CV messages?  I remember that Allan Holdsworth used to use a breath 

> controller with his SynthAxe, but I believe that was part of the SynthAxe 

> package.  I'm interested in trying to find a standalone unit which I 


Actually, as Allan himself explained during a clinic (supposedly the

purpose was to advertise the Mesa Boogie gear he uses but he spent 80%

of the clinic playing his SynthAxe instead!), the SynthAxe's "breathing

tube" just controls a VCA at the output of the SynthAxe.  He plugged

in the synth being controlled (a little Yamaha module - he had already

sold the Matrix 12) so that the synth outputs went into SynthAxe input(s)

that led to the VCA.  


Allan felt the VCA gave him much greater resolution of control over the

synth volume than MIDI's 127 steps.


Come to think of it, Craig Anderton once had an article in Electronic

Musician on how to modify a volume pedal so you could control it with

a Yamaha breath controller instead of your foot.  Or something like that....



Paolo Valladolid

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:24:12 +0400

From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT)

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, PJBMHB@aol.com 

Subject: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16

Message-ID: <<00003D65.@poyry.com.br>

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     As I have both (JM & EH) I can tell you they are very different:

     

     EH has feedback control; 8 or 16 sec. switch (you can go one octave up 

     or down on the fly); reverse/forward on the fly; modulation 

     (chorus/flanger).You can also combine everything to create a real 

     strange atmosphere just with a guitar plus volume knob and picking 

     technique.

     

     It has a good fidelity if you stay at short delay time (at 16 sec. the 

     high end suffers a lot); noise is ok even if you record line. It also 

     sends a clock pulse out.

     

     If you are into more weird sounds EH is the way to go.

     

     I love both.

     

     Miguel



___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________

Assunto: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16

Autor:  PJBMHB@aol.com na internet

Data:    24/10/1997 18:31



i think the jamman does most of the things the eh does but no speed up or 

slow down. i have a digitech delay that speeds up and slows down but doesn' t 

do the backwards thing. the digitech also has kind of lame fidelity unlike 

the jamman which sounds great. does the eh have good or bad fidelity? is it 

noisy or quiet? PJ

     


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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:50:58 +0100

From: "c.voit" <<c.voit@vtx.ch>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Breath controller?

Message-ID: <<34520752.F7C2917E@vtx.ch>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

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Check Keyboards magazine sept 91 p 16

A breath controler interface for the MI

the DIY project interfaces between the breath cont Yamaha BC1 or BC2 and

any synth or midi footswich that has a footcontroller input (tip+ground)

It replaces a Controler pedal


I did'nt try it but looks simple


Claude


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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:52:10 -0400 (EDT)

From: Dpcoffin@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  It could be a new looping device.

Message-ID: <<971025145210_203703041@mrin41.mail.aol.com>


Here's two things I'd like to see:

A  device that outputs MIDI control data based on all kinds of LFOs, one-shot

triggers, sample-and-hold patterns, random number streams, and audio input

levels, either automatically, under foot-pedal control, and/or in response to

audio signals on their way to whatever monitoring device they use. This would

be something like the control section only of the Lexicon MPX-1, but wouldn't

process or create audio, just spit out MIDI control data. You could connect

it to any sound source or processor or MIDI matrix that was under-spec'ed in

this way, without having to buy an MPX just to get access to sophisticated

controller software.


AND:

How about some new models and system upgrades for the VG-8, now that Roland

seems to have lost interest (however temporarily)?


Please send brochures and price lists for these items immediately.

Thanks;-)

dpc


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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:10:14 -0400 (EDT)

From: Dpcoffin@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  Re: It could be a new looping device.

Message-ID: <<971025150820_-1308386366@emout10.mail.aol.com>


Regarding my description of the MIDI Control Center I'd like to see, here's a

new product that sounds similar, but probably lacks the LFO's and

mathematical data streams that the MPX has:

>From Sweetwater Sound's InSync:

<<<<Kurzweil has announced a new MIDI controller product, the Expression Mate.

The

new unit is designed to give owners of K2500 rackmounts and other MIDI gear

expressive controls similar to those offered on a 76- or 88- key K2500

keyboard. Expression Mate consists of a 3-zone ribbon controller, three

arpeggiators, footswitch and continuous controller jacks, two merging MIDI

ins, a thru and two outs. Anticipated price is $395, with availability early

next year.>>


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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:46:09 -0400 (EDT)

From: Todd Pafford <<todd@galen.dyn.ml.org>

To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <<Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>

Subject: RE: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds

Message-ID: <<Pine.LNX.3.95.971025234205.11916A-100000@galen.dyn.ml.org>

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Mark Kata wrote:


> You may want to try plugging a drum machine or a tape recorder's output into 

> your ring modulator.  I like using a recording of someone talking as an

> input into my ring modulator.

> 

> Mark Kata

> Mark@asisoftware.com

> 

> 


Speaking of ring modulators, this is an effect I've never had a chance to

play with, but have always wanted to.  Can someone suggest (via private

email perhaps since it's not directly loop related) some good boxes and

sources for them? Does anyone still make a stand alone ring modulator?  I

think I've only ever seen one that I can remember. 


Thanks

---

Todd Pafford

galen@erols.com (preferred)

todd@galen.dyn.ml.org (expect bounces)


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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:18:24 -0400 (EDT)

From: TritoneDW@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds

Message-ID: <<971026011823_-1308318457@emout12.mail.aol.com>


This is probably too vague to be helpful, but a long time ago I got some

pretty convincing steel drum sounds with an envelope filter and a digital

chorus unit. The envelope filter had the threshhold set pretty high, so that

most of the notes fell right on the cusp of the "wah".The release was

relatively short. (I got good results with a number of different settings, so

fiddle around a bit. For reference, it was an MXR envelope filter.)  The

chorus was from an ART Multiverb EXT, with the modulation set fairly high. It

gave sort of a ring modulator quality, but with a more defined note. 


I don't have any of the specifics on the settings for these effects, but if

you have an envelope filter and a digital effects box you should be able to

make a guitar sound like a steel drum without _too_ much experimentation.


Drew W.


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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:17:51 -0500 (EST)

From: PJBMHB@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Vortex for sale

Message-ID: <<971026011748_340507867@emout09.mail.aol.com>


why sell it if you dig it? keep it. i have regretted selling too many pieces

of equipment in my life. like i wish i still had my tokai tele and my

steinberger/strat thing gtr. keep your vortex. sell some blood or something

else if you are hurting for dinero! =-) PJ


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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:10:24 -0700

From: Kim Flint <<kflint@annihilist.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  It could be a new looping device.

Message-Id: <<v03102802b078aa3254dd@[207.171.198.89]>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


At 2:52 PM -0400 10/25/97, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote:

>Here's two things I'd like to see:

>A  device that outputs MIDI control data based on all kinds of LFOs, one-shot

>triggers, sample-and-hold patterns, random number streams, and audio input

>levels, either automatically, under foot-pedal control, and/or in response to

>audio signals on their way to whatever monitoring device they use. This would

>be something like the control section only of the Lexicon MPX-1, but wouldn't

>process or create audio, just spit out MIDI control data. You could connect

>it to any sound source or processor or MIDI matrix that was under-spec'ed in

>this way, without having to buy an MPX just to get access to sophisticated

>controller software.


I think most people who want to do nutty midi tricks like this just use

Opcode's Max. Put it on a used powerbook, and you're off. I'm not sure the

extent that you can interface it with actual audio events, but people have

written and amazing assortment of objects. No doubt some interface with the

mac's audio hardware. I know I've seen Max dsp objects that work with

audiomedia cards.


advantage of max is you program it, so it's uniquely your thing and you

don't have to be confined to someone else's ideas, or their need to make a

profit.


kim


______________________________________________________________________

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:03:50 GMT

From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD)

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds

Message-Id: <<18361.199710261003@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


>This is probably too vague to be helpful, but a long time ago I got some

>pretty convincing steel drum sounds with an envelope filter and a digital

>chorus unit.


Come to think of it, Matthias manages a fairly steel-drum-like sound on one

of his peices (the first track on Pensar-Se, can't remember the title). 

Matthias, you out there?


Michael


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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:33:12 -0500 (EST)

From: Fmplautus@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  2 questions

Message-ID: <<971026163312_396248350@mrin40.mail.aol.com>


The LoOpDoctOrs dutifully sent in their fifty bucks for the Echoplex upgrade

several weeks ago and we have seen nada.


Hope this doesn't mean Oberheim is in an infinite loop with no feedback.


Best,

the LoOpDoctOrs


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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:31:25 -0500 (EST)

From: andre <<andre@monmouth.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds

Message-Id: <<199710270031.TAA26205@shell.monmouth.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


just to jump in... sorry if i'm off-parameter here... was this discussion

pertinent to guitar/synth also...


if so, i can recommend, and recommend anyway - the alesis nano-synth....

whew!!! awesome, clean sounds, lots of marimbas, vibes, glocks... no

programming without computer interface, but for the size tradeoff well worth

it - 256 sounds, 16 voice, built in adjustable rev/chorus on some

sounds...and only as big as a CD walkman (1/3 rack space)!!


also those old boss DRP-I and DRP-II pads, which i see used from time to

time have great steel drum patches. unfortunately NOT midi, but very cool

and cheap - just saw one foor $35 at the rogue music auction - good thing to

check out (www.roguemusic.com)


peace, all


andre (east coast)


btw - any zappa fans, please email me if you want info on my FZ tribute

band... we played with Ike Willis this summer and will again in december...

also this week *wed oct 29 in Redbank, nj* #fri oct 31 in NYC at the Lions

den# info in the Village voice... but email me to get on the e-list...


thanks...


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:47:28 -0500 (EST)

From: PJBMHB@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: New DOD pedal

Message-ID: <<971027074728_505027015@mrin42.mail.aol.com>


cool. thanks for the info mike. i have a dod digital delay that i love even

if it only has a paltry 1 second of delay. look forward to checking the new

pedal out! =-) PJ


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:57:19 -0500 (EST)

From: Dpcoffin@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  Re: Vortex for sale

Message-ID: <<971027075705_-2044568372@emout05.mail.aol.com>


<<<<why sell it if you dig it? keep it. i have regretted selling too many

pieces

of equipment in my life. like i wish i still had my tokai tele and my

steinberger/strat thing gtr. keep your vortex. sell some blood or something

else if you are hurting for dinero! =-) PJ

>>

Too True! (ahh, I remember that Martin D-41 I bought new in 1971 for

$600...and then sold within 2 years! And the $900 Johnny Smith Gibson...)

Unfortunately, it seems that musical gear is the only stuff I ever have that

has a resale value! As soon as it hits the "not using it enough" threshold, I

start itching to swap it for something new...it's a curse, I know, but I

don't think it needs a 12-step program.

dpc


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:11:47 -0500 (EST)

From: Dpcoffin@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  Re:  It could be a new looping device.

Message-ID: <<971027081130_796138702@emout11.mail.aol.com>


<<<<I think most people who want to do nutty midi tricks like this just use

Opcode's Max. ...

advantage of max is you program it, so it's uniquely your thing and you

don't have to be confined to someone else's ideas, or their need to make a

profit.>>

I've been gazing at Max with interest for years, and am even on the Max

list...but trying to make sense of the hi-level gibberish of all those

MAX-heads has been pretty fatal to my interest, not being a programmer...

I know, all you programmer types think that anyone can get going with just a

little effort, but I've already wasted WAY too much time trying to get

anything but garbage and tech support frequent flyer miles out of WAY too

many expensive software packages that just weren't plug-and-play enough for

my math-free liberal arts background. 

And staring at a computer screen just isn't my idea of making music, much as

I love the possibilities, and have been seduced by them (I even dig manuals,

go figure!). I've got two Macs, a slew of arcane and expensive MIDI programs

and Digidesign stuff, and am finally realizing that I'm just a hardware,

dedicated-box, real-time, stomp-on-it kinda guy.....

Thanks for the tip, tho!

dpc


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:32:58 -0500 (EST)

From: Dpcoffin@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: RE: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds

Message-ID: <<971027083244_84409602@emout04.mail.aol.com>


Isn't the DOD Gonkulator pedal a ring modulator? I saw a $200+ Ring mod'er

called a Black Cat recently reviewed positively in Guitar World, or

someplace. Also, several of the new Charlie Stringer pedals seem to have ring

mod capabilities. The Boss GT-5's "intelligent" ring mod option lets a bit

more of the original pitch sail thru, which is pretty useful, adding to that

unit's MANY hip features...

These are the days of anything you want, my friends!

dpc


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:51:29 PST

From: "gordon peterson" <<rainham@hotmail.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16

Message-ID: <<19971027135130.28523.qmail@hotmail.com>

Content-Type: text/plain


I think that would be a GREAT idea!

Also, I wanted to thank all of those that responded to my post re. info 

on Delay 16 reissue info.


Cheers,


Gordon




>     Does anybody have an idea on how to contact Mike Matthews (the 

father 

>     of Electro Harmonix)? I think i would be a good idea to interview 

him 

>     about the EH 16 seconds digital delay and include it in the 

Looper's 

>     page.

>     

>     

>     Miguel

>

>

>___________________________ Separador de Resposta 

______________________________

>Assunto: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16

>Autor:  "Stephen P. Goodman" <<sgoodman@earthlight.net> na internet

>Data:    24/10/1997 11:03

>

>

>G. Peterson <<rainham@connection.com> asked:

>     

>> Now that electro-harmonix has resurfaced (new sensor ltd.), and 

reissued 

>> the Q-tron, I am wondering if they have any plans in the works to do 

the 

>> same with the much coveted Delay 16?

>     

>I've called them, and they say "next year" they will be producing a new 

>Delay 16 pedal.

>     

>Stephen Goodman           * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios 

>EarthLight Productions     * Get the Loop Of The Week Free!

>     

>



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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:52:55 -0600

From: Tom Spaulding <<tspauldi@gibson.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  2 questions

Message-Id: <<97Oct27.075548cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Loop Docs-

We are burning eproms as we (I) speak. The incredible Pat Mutphy will be

shipping all orders within the next couple of weeks. 


Tom




At 03:33 PM 10/26/97 -0600, you wrote:

>The LoOpDoctOrs dutifully sent in their fifty bucks for the Echoplex upgrade

>several weeks ago and we have seen nada.

>

>Hope this doesn't mean Oberheim is in an infinite loop with no feedback.

>

>Best,

>the LoOpDoctOrs

>

>

>


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:26:25 -0700

From: Chris Chovit <<cho@newdream.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16

Message-Id: <<v03102801b07a62bcc093@[137.79.95.51]>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Miguel wrote:


>     It has a good fidelity if you stay at short delay time (at 16 sec. the

>     high end suffers a lot); noise is ok even if you record line. It also

>     sends a clock pulse out.



Has anybody tried driving the Echoplex DP using this clock pulse?  How does

it work?



__________________________________________________

Chris Chovit                                          avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov

 AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator      pager #: (888) 415-4547


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:14:50 -0600 (CST)

From: Dave Stagner <<dstagner@icarus.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16

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On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 PJBMHB@aol.com wrote:


> i think the jamman does most of the things the eh does but no speed up or

> slow down. i have a digitech delay that speeds up and slows down but doesn' t

> do the backwards thing. the digitech also has kind of lame fidelity unlike

> the jamman which sounds great. does the eh have good or bad fidelity? is it

> noisy or quiet? PJ


The JamMan doesn't TOUCH the EH16 interface!  Listen to Roger Miller's

"Maximum Electric Piano" work, which is the best use of the EH16 I've

heard.  Most of it would be entirely impossible on the JamMan.  Mixing

forwards and bacwards, octave jumps in speed/pitch, variable modulation,

the ability to turn infinite looping on and off... the EH16 excels at

these things.  


As for "fidelity"... well, from a bandwidth/distortion standpoint, the

EH16 sucks.  So do electric guitars, though.  And, like the distorted

electric guitar, the EH16 has a very musical, warm tone.  Most modern

digital effects have great specs on paper, but sound dry and lifeless when

playing real music.  I'd much rather have something that sounds *musical*,

even if it doesn't spec well.


-dave


By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete.

Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. 

Venus De Milo.

To a child she is ugly.       /* dstagner@icarus.net */

   -Charles Fort              


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:39:22 -0500

From: "G. Peterson" <<rainham@connection.com>

To: <<Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>

Subject:  Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Reissue

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For those interested, I just sent this post off in response to a reply from

one of the folks at New Sensor,  re. Delay 16 reissue.

I will let you know how they respond when I receive it.



> From: kevin@sovtek.com


>We are currently working on a reissue 16 second delay.  It is >taking us a

> while since the technology used in the original is pretty much obsolete

so

> we want to make the new version "state of the art."  I would say a safe

bet

> would be about 1 year from now, give or take six months


Kevin, many thanks for the reply.

If you don't mind I would like to make a few comments on your reissue.

I think I can safely speak for myself and the many professionals I work

with, when I say I hope you do not lose the attractive aspects of the

original in your attempt to make it 'state of the art'.  There are many

pedals and devices on the market now that  cover much, if not all of the

ground the delay 16 did and do so in a 'state of the art' way, i.e..

Boomerang, Echoplex, Jam man, etc.

The reason the delay 16  is still so popular,  is its warm sonics and its

intuitive user friendliness. 

If you were to do nothing but faithfully copy the original, you would have

a very popular pedal indeed.  

I am not sure if you are aware but the Delay 16 is one of the most sought

after pedals of its kind today.  It sells for upwards of $1,400US, and

the foot controller for $900US and up.

If however some of the components to reproduce the original are no longer

available then I suppose that is another scenario you must work out.

I would very much be interested in hearing your thoughts and plans on this.


Regards,


Gordon


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