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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 187

Today's Topics:
  Re: Help! JamMan Pedal Problem        [ miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) ]
  Can you find it?                      [ Andre LaFosse <altruist@shoko.calar ]
  AW: Can you find it?                  [ Haible Juergen <Juergen.Haible@nbgm ]
  Halloween Looping                     [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ]
  Halloween Looping                     [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.c ]
  Re: Jam Man: sell or trade            [ Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net ]
  Re: Looping/Theater perf. in Boston   [ Dpcoffin <Dpcoffin@aol.com> ]
  Re: PROJECT LO....reminder            [ Pete Koniuto <pkoniuto@bu.edu> ]
  Re: PROJECT LO....reminder            [ Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net> ]
  Philadelphia Loop Show 1998           [ JSPEEr <jspeer@haverford.edu> ]
  Re: PROJECT LO....reminder            [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.c ]
  where can I buy a jamman              [ "Jeffrey Robert" <lewbrew@hotmail.c ]
  Need Looping Microphone Advice!       [ Drumworker <Drumworker@aol.com> ]
  Re: Need Looping Microphone Advice!   [ Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net> ]
  Steel drum mike                       [ efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) ]
  Re: Re: Looping/Theater perf. in Bos  [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ]
  Happy Halloween!                      [ "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@eart ]
  Re: where can I buy a jamman          [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]
  Re: where can I buy a jamman          [ klaw@iglou.com ]
  Re: where can I buy a jamman          [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:31:14 +0300
From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Drumworker@aol.com 
Subject: Re: Help! JamMan Pedal Problem
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     Here is some information about JamMan "clicks" written by Bob Sellon:
     
     
     Message was resent -- Original recipients were:
     To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
     
     
     There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you 
     can   fix the other you can't.
     
     
     When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the   
     end
     of   the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the   
     number
     of   beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end   
     
     the loop   manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter 
     than it should   be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the   
     
     loop twice: once when   the end of the loop (time) is detected and 
     once when the correct number   of MIDI clocks has come in. The 
     solution is to let Jamman close the loop   by itself (DON'T tap a 
     second time). This will get the loops size to it's   best fit.
     
     
     The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks 
     and   the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a   
     
     loop size   to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is   
     that
     most MIDI clock   sources have jitter (timing variations) in the   
     same
     neighborhood. After   the loop time is locked in, the priority in 
     Jamman is to stay in perfect   sync with the incoming MIDI clock.   
     The
     problem is that the combined half   millisecond resolution of Jamman   
     
     and the jitter on the incoming clock   result in the actual size of 
     the loop changing very slightly every time   through. As the loop   
     size
     changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or   replays the very 
     beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in   potential clicks 
     and pops. With the PC itself being slaved the jitter   gets worse   
     and
     so do the clicks and pops.
     
     
     As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as   
     
     you   said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other 
     thing I can   suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place   
     something
     percussive at   the splice point which will tend to mask the noise.   
     I
     am looking at the   problem, however, and will let you know if I   
     come
     up with anything.
     
     
     If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this,   
     I'd
     love to hear it.
     
     
     Bob Sellon
     Lexicon/Stec
     bsellon@lexicon.com
     
     
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------  
     
     


___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________
Assunto: Help! JamMan Pedal Problem
Autor:  Drumworker@aol.com na internet
Data:    30/10/1997 14:01


I am finding that the pedal suppled by Lexicon (with the JamMan) produces an 
audible "click" in the output when I tap it to close a loop. This seems to 
happen about half the time and does not seem to relate to how hard I press 
it. Could it be dirt in the switch? Any ideas how to correct this anyone?
     
Also - if it's simply that the pedal is "not the best" quality - can I 
replace it with another type of pedal  that will operate the Tap function 
silently?
     
Any and all help re. this is appreciated.
     
P. Ormandy
"drumworker@aol.com"
     

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:20:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Andre LaFosse <altruist@shoko.calarts.edu>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Can you find it?
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.971030231156.3491A-100000@shoko.calarts.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

After typing up the following description of my infamous anomaly for Kim, 
I thought I'd post it here to see if any other users can detect it.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:11:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Andre LaFosse <altruist@shoko.calarts.edu>
To: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>

> Boy Andre, I thought I had a tendancy to be too verbose! I am but an
> amateur before you....:-)

That's what I get for being an ex-English major.  Or maybe it's all the 
"intelligent" british dance music...

> In my units, I can barely discern such a noise with the mix pot in the
> middle. But that's with the plex volumes up and into a 140watt amp cranked
> all the way up! The noise floor is very loud at that point, and I'm only
> just hearing any digital hash noise. It seems like you are hearing
> something much more present and noticeable than that. Would that seem right?

Here's the recipe for the Andre LaFosse Noise Special (updated for its 1 
year anniversary):

-- Record a note with the guitar fading in a single note.  Start the 
recording before fading the note in, and fade the note in quite slowly.  
Let the note die down to almost silence before closing the loop.  

-- The telltale noise will correspond to a flickering on the Feedback LED
(which I mistakenly referred to as the Input LED in my cover note to
Oberheim -- mea culpa indeed).  When the LED for feedback flickers at the
beginning or end of the note, or if it sustains below a threshold loud 
enough to cause the LED to glow solidly, the noise rears its head. 

-- Pressing mute leaves the noise intact and audible at the same level as 
if there's a loop going on.  Since the feedback LED flickers even in 
MUTE, the noise may be easier to identify in this way.

-- Once the loop is overdubbed or built up to the point where the overall 
level of the loop never drops below a certain threshold, the noise 
disappears.

-- Turning the MIX control to either extreme eliminates the noise.

-- The noise exists in both record and overdub mode, and is subject to 
all of the conditions above, so it has nothing to do with the A/D 
converters at the front of the unit.

-- There was ONE occasion after I initially discovered the noise in July 
when it was not present: I had turned on the Echoplex and was testing it 
without having turned on a lamp nearby.  I did not hear the noise.  I 
then turned the lamp on and the noise was instantly there.  I brought the 
Echoplex into another room to test it immediately thereafter, and the 
noise was still there, as it has been on every occasion afterwards.  
(Needless to say, the lamp was not present during the subsequent tests).

-- This is a fairly subtle noise.  The thing that made me suspect that it
was a malfunction was a note I recall getting from you which read, "If
you're seeing a flickering light on the LED in conjunction with the sound,
there's definitely a higher-than-normal amount of noise going on" (this is
a paraphrase).  Owing to the scarcity of available Echoplexes, I wasn't
able to test another unit to determine if the anomaly was there in other 
models.

> One question, on the top piece of your chassis, if you take it off and look
> at the underside, you should see a piece of foam tape along the front. This
> is there to keep the flat cables from pressing against the top piece of
> metal. Is that there in your unit? If not, the noise would likely be
> coupling in throught the chassis, which is why we put the tape there. If
> you don't see any tape there, you should be able to get some at a
> stationary or hardware store or someplace. Put a strip of it along the
> front of the top piece, where it looks like the flat cables will press up
> on it. That could make a big difference.

I recall your recommending this; there is no tape on the top panel, but 
this noise is just as audible when the top is completely removed from the 
unit.  If it's there when the flat cables are sitting out in the open 
air, then I don't see how it could be attributable to contact with the 
top panel.

> seems like it should be more subtle than you seem to be experiencing.
> Without hearing it and without seeing the set up where you have it, It is
> very difficult for me to tell. I assume we're talking about a noise that's
> readily obvious in a normal listening environment? And you never noticed it
> in that past right? It just appeared one day?

I first started noticing this over the summer, and running the Echoplex
through a Roland VS-880 unit.  My first inclination was to suspect that it
had not always been there and that I would have noticed it had it been
there all along, but my mistaken assumption about the noise gate issue
during last year's episode (some sense of Deja Vu, huh?) proves that this
may not be the case. 

I also observed this when plugging the unit straight into a guitar amp,
and into a friend's stereo system on Tuesday night.  However, my friend
(who is a musician of an extremely high order) had to have me specifically
point out the sound before he noticed it. 

Given the fact that the only original part of my Echoplex currently
sitting next to me is the chassis, and given that the noise exists even
when the top part of that chassis is removed, I'm more and more inclined
to think that this noise is an inherent element of the instrument,
something which is subtle enough to have evaded detection until this past
summer.  Now that I've detailed the anomaly in such... detail, I think
I'll forward a copy of this to the digest to see if anyone else can detect
this. 

As always, Kim, your patience and dedication amazes me.  Thanks for 
maintaining interest.

--Andre

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:01:02 +0100
From: Haible Juergen <Juergen.Haible@nbgm.siemens.de>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: AW: Can you find it?
Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D582069BA2@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de>
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Just a few ideas (haven't seen any schematics):

	>-- The telltale noise will correspond to a flickering on the
Feedback LED
	>(which I mistakenly referred to as the Input LED in my cover
note to
	>Oberheim -- mea culpa indeed).  When the LED for feedback
flickers at the
	>beginning or end of the note, or if it sustains below a
threshold loud 
	>enough to cause the LED to glow solidly, the noise rears its
head. 

Maybe the noise comes thru the supply voltages. My first guess 
would be this: There is an analog circuit (opamp most probably)
that is on the edge to instabillity / hf oscillation. When the LED 
flickers, this could mean (depending on the circuit), that the
supply current changes rather fast. This can be coupled to
the "sensitive" opamp over the supply voltage lines, and *could*
cause an effect like you described.

Things to try out: Bypass all opamps with 100nF ceramic caps
(from their supply pins to gnd), if they aren't already.
Bypass the the supply voltage near to the LED circuit with 100uF
elko.

May have no effect at all, but maybe it's worth trying it.

(This was based on the asumption that it's an analogue problem
- still there with mute on -  and the unit has a "cheap" power 
supply system. Which of course might be totally wrong.
If anybody has schematics and likes to send them to me, maybe
I can tell more.)

	JH.

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:06:20 -0500
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata)
To: 'Loopers Delight' <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Halloween Looping
Message-ID: <01BCE5C3.2BE14BE0@mark.asisoftware.com>
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Halloween is the perfect night to set up your looping rig near your front door and create a scary loop.

I like to set up a 32 second loop on my JamMan and leave a few seconds of silence in it for dramatic effect.  Then I just open the front window a bit and crank it up.

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:48:03 -0500
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Halloween Looping
Message-ID: <199710310752_MC2-2646-920@compuserve.com>
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>Halloween is the perfect night to set up your looping rig near your front
door and >create a scary loop.

Yeah! Back in the old days when I only had a 1.2 sec ADA delay ('82?) I
used to do some of that. The best part was that I had this strat that I'd
abused beyond belief. The whammy bar made this horrif squeak when you
roatated it from its normal hanging position into a useable one. But if you
ran it through a fuzz box and into the long delay with a fair bit of
modulation on it, it sounded for all the world like a woman shreiking in
horror. That was a good one. Sorry I sold that guitar so many years ago.
(That is, sorry 'til I pick up the Klein...)

Happy Halloween,
jd

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:49:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Jam Man:  sell or trade
Message-Id: <199710311349.IAA04440@newman.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 12:38 PM 10/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering dust and
would be put to much better use by somebody else.  I am most interested in
trading it for a midi sound module that would work nicely with a midi guitar
controller (Shadow 075).  I do not know what a reasonable selling price
would be, so I could use some feedback on that as well.
>
>Thanks
>


Greg



I' m  seriously interested in the Jamman--please let me know how we can
handle shipping and payment (COD UPS okay?) I dont have anything to swap,
but would pay cash $ 250 to $300, depending on condition and manuals being
there.

thanks, Tom 
Tom Lambrecht  hideo@concentric.net

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:24:32 EST
From: Dpcoffin <Dpcoffin@aol.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Looping/Theater perf. in Boston
Message-ID: <9c718288.3459e9f3@aol.com>
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Hey, Frank...
Have you got any tapes or CDs? I'd love to hear a VG-8/wire-strung harp duo!
dpc

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:16:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Pete Koniuto <pkoniuto@bu.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: PROJECT LO....reminder
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.971031085053.89545A-100000@acs5.bu.edu>
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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, andre wrote:

> fellow music addicts - just a quick reminder..
> 
> if you're in the red band area (www.redbank.com) please stop out tonite to
> see PROJECT LO with violinist Caryn Lin....
> 
> Project Lo features guitar/loopmaster ex GONG guitarist BON LOZAGA and the
> fantastic Caryn Lin on violin and otherworldly sounds...they will be joined
> by a small ensemble.
> 
> PROJECT LO/ CARYN LIN
> Thur Oct 30 1997
> 8:00 pm
> Internet Cafe (www.icafenj.com)
> 1 West Front St. Red Bank (corner of Broad ST)
> 732-842-4503

Andre, how was the show?  I CAN'T WAIT 'til this crew makes
it to the Boston area on 13 November.  They're playing at
Johnny D.'s (no, not Jon Durant's house!) in Somerville, but
i don't have the exact time etc. on me.  Mr. Durant, can you
fill in the details?

I've heard/seen Caryn Lin perform live (solo) thrice now, and 
she's a lot of fun--very sensitive musician with a good sense 
of humor and amazing chops.  VERY MUCH looking forward to 
hearing/seeing her perform live in a band context.  Have never
experienced Bon L. live, but have heard good things.

> and check out Caryn's  "Tolerance for Ambiguity" (prod. by David Torn)
> cd info at www.alchemyrecords.com -or- www.hgmktg.com -or- email to
> lolorec@aol.com

And i will second you here Andre as well.  A lot of folks who
have heard me put this CD on are turned on instantly.  They
often ask who, what, and how before i can answer the first 
question.  Thanks J.D. for bringing her to us, and Mr. Torn
(if you're out there) for guiding her in creating such great
record.  

I know it hasn't even been a year yet, but is there talk at all
about a second Caryn Lin release on Alchemy?  I'll pre-order now.


Pete Koniuto


-----------------
Music Library
Boston University
617-353-3705
pkoniuto@bu.edu
-----------------

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:09:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: PROJECT LO....reminder
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.971031100336.2413C-100000@ari.ari.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

The Project Lo/Caryn Lin tour hits Baltimore on November 15th. This show
will feature special guest Happy Rhodes performing with Project Lo. She's
only joining them for a few special dates on the tour. 

Also, for this show only, Tony Geballe (Trey Gunn Band/Robert Fripp & the
League of Crafty Guitarists/Toyah) will kick things off performing
material from his Discipline Global Mobile release _Native of the Rain_.

See http://www.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ for more details. 

On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Pete Koniuto wrote:

> > fellow music addicts - just a quick reminder..
> > 
> > if you're in the red band area (www.redbank.com) please stop out tonite to
> > see PROJECT LO with violinist Caryn Lin....
> > 
> > Project Lo features guitar/loopmaster ex GONG guitarist BON LOZAGA and the
> > fantastic Caryn Lin on violin and otherworldly sounds...they will be joined
> > by a small ensemble.
> > 
> > PROJECT LO/ CARYN LIN
> > Thur Oct 30 1997
> > 8:00 pm
> > Internet Cafe (www.icafenj.com)
> > 1 West Front St. Red Bank (corner of Broad ST)
> > 732-842-4503
> 
> Andre, how was the show?  I CAN'T WAIT 'til this crew makes
> it to the Boston area on 13 November.  They're playing at
> Johnny D.'s (no, not Jon Durant's house!) in Somerville, but
> i don't have the exact time etc. on me.  Mr. Durant, can you
> fill in the details?
> 
> I've heard/seen Caryn Lin perform live (solo) thrice now, and 
> she's a lot of fun--very sensitive musician with a good sense 
> of humor and amazing chops.  VERY MUCH looking forward to 
> hearing/seeing her perform live in a band context.  Have never
> experienced Bon L. live, but have heard good things.
> 
> > and check out Caryn's  "Tolerance for Ambiguity" (prod. by David Torn)
> > cd info at www.alchemyrecords.com -or- www.hgmktg.com -or- email to
> > lolorec@aol.com
> 
> And i will second you here Andre as well.  A lot of folks who
> have heard me put this CD on are turned on instantly.  They
> often ask who, what, and how before i can answer the first 
> question.  Thanks J.D. for bringing her to us, and Mr. Torn
> (if you're out there) for guiding her in creating such great
> record.  
> 
> I know it hasn't even been a year yet, but is there talk at all
> about a second Caryn Lin release on Alchemy?  I'll pre-order now.
> 
> 
> Pete Koniuto
> 
> 
> -----------------
> Music Library
> Boston University
> 617-353-3705
> pkoniuto@bu.edu
> -----------------
> 
> 


-Adam

---
       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 
                           becomes a Hearer."
                           - Chandrakirti

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:42:10 -0500 (EST)
From: JSPEEr <jspeer@haverford.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998
Message-Id: <l0311070db07f73cf1cef@[165.82.51.208]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi all,

For those of you who remember me, I'm back.   I'm the guy who put on that
Philly/Mid-Atlantic Loop Show last March with Charles Cohen, Accidents Will
Happen, Fingerpaint, and Emergence of Man.  I must say, it was quite
successful.  The venue, initially confused by and sceptical of the Loop
Show concept, has been bugging me to do it again, whatever it was.

So I'd like to start thinking about putting another Loop Show on, most
likely in March or April again of next year.  I am not entirely sure what
the goal of this follow-up show should be;  Perhaps to get entirely
different artists than last year, comes immediately to mind.  But we had
such a strong line-up last year, and I'm not deeply philosophically opposed
to repeat performances, particularly since this is a full year later.

Anybody interested in this show, in participating, in attending, in making
suggestions, questions, whatever, please email me.  I'm sure I will
gradually get a sense of what the show will be like once I get some more
input.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Jim Speer

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:13:34 -0500
From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: PROJECT LO....reminder
Message-ID: <199710311317_MC2-2649-1FE9@compuserve.com>
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Hey-

All of the tour dates and times, as well as phone numbers for the venues,
for Project Lo (w/ Caryn Lin) can be found on Caryn's page at:
http://www.alchemyrecords.com

Later,
jd

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:47:49 PST
From: "Jeffrey Robert" <lewbrew@hotmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: where can I buy a jamman
Message-ID: <19971031184750.27951.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Can anyone tell me where I can get my hands on a JamMan

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:07:20 EST
From: Drumworker <Drumworker@aol.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Need Looping Microphone Advice!
Message-ID: <41bba1f3.345a728b@aol.com>
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OK, so here's what I'm trying to do.

I'm developing a piece for steel pan (steel drum) primarily using a series of
loop cycles in a number of contrasting sections interspersed with a couple of
"long tone" - cadenza type passages. I am currently using an overhead mic
input into a JamMan > passed through an effects processor (to produce a stereo
signal and generally "fatten" the sound) > out to the PA.  A very
knowledgeable friend has suggested that I use a Sennheiser 421 to mic the pan
but I'm not sure its giving me a good frequency response from the  distance of
15" or so. The output produced sounds rather subdued - not the brilliance that
is characteristic of a good steel pan.

Can anyone suggest a better mic, still fairly directional - so that other
ambient sounds aren't easily captured in the loop, but will give me a wider
spectrum, particularly in the top end??

This piece will be recorded for broadcast on national radio (in Canada) and
needs to sound as good as possible. Plus, I find that I'm really getting into
the "loop thing" and if I can get good results from this project then I'll
probably become a looper for life.

As usual, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

P. Ormandy
"drumworker@aol.com"

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:51:35 -0700
From: Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Need Looping Microphone Advice!
Message-Id: <v03102809b0801db66f3b@[137.79.95.51]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>OK, so here's what I'm trying to do.
>
>I'm developing a piece for steel pan (steel drum) primarily using a series of
>loop cycles in a number of contrasting sections interspersed with a couple of
>"long tone" - cadenza type passages. I am currently using an overhead mic
>input into a JamMan > passed through an effects processor (to produce a stereo
>signal and generally "fatten" the sound) > out to the PA.  A very
>knowledgeable friend has suggested that I use a Sennheiser 421 to mic the pan
>but I'm not sure its giving me a good frequency response from the  distance of
>15" or so. The output produced sounds rather subdued - not the brilliance that
>is characteristic of a good steel pan.
>
>Can anyone suggest a better mic, still fairly directional - so that other
>ambient sounds aren't easily captured in the loop, but will give me a wider
>spectrum, particularly in the top end??
>
>This piece will be recorded for broadcast on national radio (in Canada) and
>needs to sound as good as possible. Plus, I find that I'm really getting into
>the "loop thing" and if I can get good results from this project then I'll
>probably become a looper for life.
>
>As usual, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>
>P. Ormandy
>"drumworker@aol.com"

Well, a good condensor mic will give you the brilliance you're looking for,
but you might have trouble with distortion and/or feedback   If you want to
stick to dynamic mics, I recommend a Sennheiser 441.  These are the silver,
long, (rectangular cross-section) mics, that have been around for ages.
They are quite expensive ($600 new, $300-$350 used, here in the states),
but they sound GREAT, especially for getting those higher frequencies that
a condensor mic bring out  (and you won't have a problem with distortion or
feedback).  They also have a "presence" switch to boost the high end, in
case you need even more.  I've used them on violin, tabla, and they really
bring out the higher tones.  They're almost too bright for vocals,
especially female vocals.  Probably would sound great for steel drums.
Good luck!



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Chris Chovit                                          avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov
 AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator      pager #: (888) 415-4547

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:59:24 -0800
From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Steel drum mike
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>A very
>knowledgeable friend has suggested that I use a Sennheiser 421 to mic the pan
>but I'm not sure its giving me a good frequency response from the  distance of
>15" or so. The output produced sounds rather subdued - not the brilliance that
>is characteristic of a good steel pan.
>
>Can anyone suggest a better mic, still fairly directional - so that other
>ambient sounds aren't easily captured in the loop, but will give me a wider
>spectrum, particularly in the top end??

It would depend on how much you can afford to spend. What kind of mic pre
are you using? Does it have phantom power? if so I would reccomend
an AKG 414. It is a good all around condenser mic that has alot lot
less of a proximity effect than a 421, with a better high end.
Even better would be AKG's SE 300 B small diaphram condenser mic.
It would be a little more focused than the 414, tighter pickup pattern.
You can get exchangeable capsules for them also.
Good luck!
Eric

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:11:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Dpcoffin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Re:  Looping/Theater perf. in Boston
Message-ID: <971031201158_474136803@emout10.mail.aol.com>

Hey, Frank...
Have you got any tapes or CDs? I'd love to hear a VG-8/wire-strung harp duo!
dpc

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:25:45 -0800
From: "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@earthlight.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Happy Halloween!
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Just an invitation to come to my Haunted Page at
http://www.earthlight.net/Halloween - where I've got some looped sounds for
the seasons, for a change. :)

May all your tricks be treats, folks! :)

Stephen Goodman           * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios
EarthLight Productions     * Get the Loop Of The Week Free!

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:01:15 -0500 (EST)
From: PJBMHB@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman
Message-ID: <971031230114_559599202@emout09.mail.aol.com>

i will sell you mine for 100 million dollars. =-) PJ

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:25:55 -0500
From: klaw@iglou.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman
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Jeffrey, I saw a jamman in Far Out music today(fri)Far Out is located in
Clarksville Indiana phone is(812)-282-1122. open at 900am. Thats early.

                                 Hope this helps     K Law

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:30:14 -0500 (EST)
From: PJBMHB@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman
Message-ID: <971031233014_1501346155@emout08.mail.aol.com>

i just bought that one......psyche! =-p PJ

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