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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 97 : Issue 19

Today's Topics:
  Replies to Anti-MIDI thread           [ kbp@imaginet.fr ]
  Diethelm's delay                      [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Diethelm's delay                  [ vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps) ]
  Re: beyond:what, or whom? re-sent: f  [ James Reynolds <tritone@dsp.com> ]
  Live loops + digital guitar...        [ andre <andre@monmouth.com> ]
  Re: Jman upgrades                     [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: Anti-MIDI looping                 [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  new member                            [ Markus <mreuter@HRZ.Uni-Bielefeld.D ]
  PCM80 expanded delay time             [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  RE: Anti-MIDI looping                 [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Another new member                    [ Fish <fish@ndirect.co.uk> ]
  Re: Another new member                [ Fish <fish@ndirect.co.uk> ]
  RE: Another new member                [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re: Another new member                [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  New members                           [ Ed Drake <ejmd@erols.com> ]
  RE: Vortex link                       [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: New members                       [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]
  Re: Diethelm's delay                  [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: switching loops a,b,c, in echopl  [ KemMc@aol.com ]
  RE: Vortex link                       [ Michael Peters <100041.247@compuser ]
  Re: Another new member(we ain't dead  [ neato@pipeline.com ]
  Re: New members                       [ neato@pipeline.com ]
  Request for FAQ info                  [ Ed Drake <ejmd@erols.com> ]
  Expression on vortex.                 [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  A real knowledge?                     [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Go beyond?                            [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:36:59 +0100
From: kbp@imaginet.fr
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Replies to Anti-MIDI thread
Message-Id: <v01510100af140d812055@[195.68.3.68]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Kim Flint wrote :

> The plex can sync to pulses, using the BeatSync input. Does that help?

Indeed, it does a lot : that means I could sync the 'plex from a trigger,
no need of a Clock-to-Midi converter.

Matthias Grobs' confirmation :

> Sure! You can sycronize it that way with the analog sequencer, sending out
> a trigger once a sequence to the BeatSync. Or reverse, BeatSync can also be
> configured to put out a trigger once a loop.
> I doubt the JamMan has this option, does it?

I doubt too. A friend of mine has a JamMan. As the guy is another
Midi-opponent and analog activist (he built his own modular systems), if
the JamMan had this option, he would have soon discovered it and talked me
about.

Thank you very much for your replies.

(I may get a 'plex next week, I'll test this interesting BeatSync feature)

Regards

Pierre Cazenave

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:29:57 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Diethelm's delay
Message-Id: <v01520d00af142e13e1d9@[200.254.32.124]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thomas Dielhelm is a nylon guitar player that made some success in Europe,
about 10 years ago using a particular kind of "looping"

He was rather of the individual kind, had his own strong style (literaly,
he was a champion in spear throwing, before dedicating to the guitar!),
virtuoso as long as playing his own compositions and using his AMS pitch
shifter (to be fair: the first record he made without it).
His main technique was to set up a pattern of delayed pitch transpositions.
So each note he played turned into a short melody of 2 to 6 notes. For each
song, he used specific patterns and composed using the delayed transposed
notes.
This may sounds trivial, but once you listen to his records (about 6 of
them, "valys in my head" I would recommend most) you get impressed how far
he went with this technique.
Often he quickly alternated between chords and melody playing and with the
delay of each, chords and melody were constantely present and due to the
pitch shift, there was no impression of repetition. The limitation of this
technique made him creative in terms of composition and gave his own sound.
Two of the records he made in team with one of the best swiss keyboarders
called Famulari, the others feature a good band.

He used to have a lot of trouble with the expensive and sensible AMS studio
machine that used to fail before important concerts and since he completely
depended on it, this might even have considerabely contributed to the end
of his career.
As far as I know he sells dried spiced fish now (he is a brilliant cook, too).


Anyway: Today he could use a PCM80 for this purpose, I think.
With the pitch card to it you can set up to 4 voices with individual pitch,
delay, pan and feedback. Since the delay can be controlled as a rate of an
incoming MIDIclock or Tap key, it is a lot more flexible than the AMS was,
and the melody pattern can be synced to a looper.

There must be other effect units doing a similar job.


There is a question to Greg:

The memory of the PCM80 is expandable to about 40 seconds, but only for
some of the algorithms. (Why?)
I cannot find the information for the pitch algorithms, or is none of them
extendable beyond 1.2 seconds?

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:21:08 +0100
From: vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Diethelm's delay
Message-Id: <v01520d00af1401af33c5@[206.156.104.188]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>  Re....Thomas Dielhelm is a nylon guitar player that made some success in
>Europe,
>about 10 years ago using a particular kind of "looping"....

Sounds VERY interesting. Thanx for the tip! Do you have a line on where,
what label, etc. his recordings can be found?
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:29:28 -0800
From: James Reynolds <tritone@dsp.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: beyond:what, or whom? re-sent: faulty slip.net
Message-Id: <199701290429.UAA29766@dsp.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>There is good radio around.  Most of it is called "college radio".
>
>Cf. my show's web pages:
>
>http://www-kzsu.stanford.edu/~everett/
>
>

it's true, radio is generally evil.  however, in the SF Bay Area, the few
spots of brilliance in this sea of travesty are the excellent college radio
stations, KZSU Stanford 90.1 (great station, ray!), KALX Berkeley 90.7, and
KFJC Foothill College 89.7.

of course, the nature of college radio is that the music is either sublime
or or a crime against humanity, but the sublime stuff makes it worth it...

james

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:44:51 -0500 (EST)
From: andre <andre@monmouth.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Live loops + digital guitar...
Message-Id: <199701290644.BAA06478@shell.monmouth.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hey all:

if you're in the NJ area - i'll be doing some live digital guitar with lotsa
looping  - i have a casio and i control an ensoniq sampler and yamaha, kawai
synths. I perform in a duo called JFK's LSD-UFO and the other musician plays
digaital and acoustic drums and sampler/synth. Lots of loops, strange
sounds, noise and wonderment. Also on the bill is a guitar/violin duet
featuring original GONG violinist Dietrich Wiessler...and SILENT records'
"operation mindwipe" So, e-mail me if you're interested !!! The show is at
the Brighton Bar, Longbranch NJ 908 - 222-9684 Thur Jan 30 9:30 pm Also -
i'm interested in putting on dig-guitar shows in NJ in general....

keep digitizin'

andre'

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:07:41 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Jman upgrades
Message-Id: <v02140b01af14a69f8f62@[207.171.197.14]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 1/27/97 9:36:39 PM, Trevor (concerning the Jamman) wrote:
>>
>> <<Now we just have to find the memory upgrades...>>
>>
>> They're readily aveilable through any local electronics store or wharehouse
>> .DON"T go through a music store --mail order or otherwise--you'll get
>> ripped.--Paul
>
>
>Thanks, man.  Do you have any favorites?  Anyone?
>
>I would say that maybe we should put some of this info on the page, but
>considering that I doubt there will many non-upgraded JamPeople in this
>group.  I have seen these questions before, but I never seem to catch
>the answers.

I'd love to put such info on the Looper's Delight jamman page. (actually,
I'd love it even more if some industrious jamman user were to volunteer to
make us a good jamman section on the LD site!) The question has come up a
lot, so don't assume it won't help people out.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:43:00 -0500
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Anti-MIDI looping
Message-Id: <9701291326.AA16134@beryllium.lexicon.com>

In response to:

">The plex can sync to pulses, using the BeatSync input. Does that help?"

Matthias said:

Sure! You can synchronize it that way with the analog sequencer, sending out
a trigger once a sequence to the BeatSync. Or reverse, BeatSync can also be
configured to put out a trigger once a loop."

and then asked:

"I doubt the JamMan has this option, does it?"

No, the JAMMAN will only sync in forward to MIDI clock only.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 15:45:34 -0500
From: Markus <mreuter@HRZ.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>
To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: new member
Message-Id: <199701291444.AA283179048@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>

-- [ From: Markus * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Hi there!

I am new to the list, I'd like to introduce myself...

I am Markus Reuter, a Warr Guitar player and looper from
Germany.

My looping device is the Oberheim Echoplex. I am currently
waiting for the simms to update the plex to 16mb. Other 
devices I use are: SansAmp GT2, Digitech TSR-12, Alesis Q2.

I am currently involved in three groups/projects:

- 'Trio GitarriStick', based in Cologne, with the famous 
  *Michael Peters* and Leander Reininghaus.
- 'Europa String Choir' based in Salisbury, England

and

- 'CENTROZOON', my main vehicle for looping. A three piece
  electronic free-improv ambient/trance-group.

Well, that's it.

I am looking forward to being a member of this forum!!

Cheers!!


--
Markus Reuter ------------------------TSG-8-Warr Guitar----
Ellerstr. 36, 33615 Bielefeld, Germany,Tel. 0521/138356----
email: mreuter@post.uni-bielefeld.de ----------------------
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:39:00 -0500
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: PCM80 expanded delay time
Message-Id: <9701291450.AA16520@beryllium.lexicon.com>

"The memory of the PCM80 is expandable to about 40 seconds, but only for
some of the algorithms. (Why?)
I cannot find the information for the pitch algorithms, or is none of them
extendable beyond 1.2 seconds?"

The extended memory is for the delays that utilize the 56K processor within 
the PCM80.  Because the pitch shift algorithms use the 56K intensively the 
processor  does not have access to the extended memory.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I 
can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:51:00 -0500
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Anti-MIDI looping
Message-Id: <9701291502.AA16554@beryllium.lexicon.com>

Pierre Cazenave said:
"An interesting article in the Loopers-Delight pages mention a modification 
of
the Lexicon PCM42 which make it able to sync with a 24p clocks.

I you know more about, e-mail me.

Merci"

Bonjour,

I do not know anything about a modification for clock input of the PCM42 but 
a nonmodified PCM42 does provide clock output.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I 
can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:00:07 +0000
From: Fish <fish@ndirect.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Another new member
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970129155923.006e6204@mail.ndirect.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi, I just joined today. I'm not to clear on the meaning of looping, but I
assume it means either feedback loops or using sampler loops. Either way
I'm interested! :)

I have a question regarding the Roland Space Echo 201. Is there any way I
can mod it so that it will only play the delayed sound, and totally cut out
the clean signal? I set up a loop for our guitarist which consists of:

Guitar-->--Mixer--->---SE201--->---Phaser/Wah/BPFilters--->---Mixer---Out
    |        |____________________<______________________|      |
    |_____________________________>_____________________________|

The problem is that the SE201 lets through some of the clean signal which
means I have to keep the feedback really low or it squeals.

Also, can someone point me in the right direction for some info on the
Lexicon Vortex? I've read some interesting things, but I want pictures and
samples! Is this box available in the UK yet? If so, where, how much, etc.

BTW, I saw Fripp in London a few months ago. He was really cool. He spent
most of his time wandering about the venue; Occasionally he'd get to his
guitar, play a few notes, and then just let the textures just unfold over
another 20 minutes while he'd go back to the bar. :)
-
fish@ndirect.co.uk  http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~fish
And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the
wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the
ground.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:24:46 +0000
From: Fish <fish@ndirect.co.uk>
To: vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps)
Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Another new member
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970129170632.00693ce0@mail.ndirect.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 10:55 29/01/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi. Check out the Vortex and Jamman sections, and the back digests in the
>archives at the Loopers delight site. Lots of info. Also be aware , not
>sure as far as UK availability goes, but the Vortex has been discontinued

Why did they discontinue them? Does anyone is the US know a shop selling
them who will do mail order overseas?

Thanks
-
fish@ndirect.co.uk  http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~fish
And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the
wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the
ground.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:19:00 -0500
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Another new member
Message-Id: <9701291730.AA17305@beryllium.lexicon.com>

fish asked:
"Also, can someone point me in the right direction for some info on the
Lexicon Vortex? I've read some interesting things, but I want pictures and
samples! Is this box available in the UK yet? If so, where, how much, etc."

I know that there is a picture of the Vortex on the WEB somewhere but I am 
not sure where.  A number of things will come up if you use Lexicon Vortex 
as a keyword on most search engines.

Our distributor for the U.K. is Stirling Audio, phone #71-624-6000.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I 
can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:34:00 -0500
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Another new member
Message-Id: <9701291745.AA17345@beryllium.lexicon.com>

In response to:

">Hi. Check out the Vortex and Jamman sections, and the back digests in the
>archives at the Loopers delight site. Lots of info. Also be aware , not
>sure as far as UK availability goes, but the Vortex has been discontinued"

fish asked:

"Why did they discontinue them?

It seems that we were unable to generate a lot of interest in these products 
until after we stopped manufacturing them.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:57:03 -0400
From: Ed Drake <ejmd@erols.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject:  New members
Message-Id: <l03010d00af152eed1474@[207.96.100.178]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello
      Kim , I've noticed a lot of new names popping up on the list lately
and I'm curious to know how many people are currently subscribed to the
list. Do you know? Also I was wondering if it would be a good thing to
compile some sort of general FAQ about the list and or looping with some
useful links which would be helpful for new members, maybe it could be sent
out with the welcome notice that gets sent to new subscribers . I 'll offer
to compile it and send it to you or Michael Peters to edit, proofread,
HTML-ize, etc. If you want me to do this let me know, but I'll need
everyone on the list to help me to figure out what the most FAQs are and
what or where the answers are.

Loopily yours  Ed

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:57:29 -0600
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Vortex link
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_MN1-970129185729Z-11371@Exchange_MN1.ATK.COM>

There is a Vortex page at:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/Vortex-spec.html

later
>john

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:22:37 -0800
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: New members
Message-Id: <v02140b00af15448526f0@[207.171.197.14]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Ed Drake said:
>Hello
>      Kim , I've noticed a lot of new names popping up on the list lately
>and I'm curious to know how many people are currently subscribed to the
>list. Do you know?

We're now up to 125! Bigger than I thought, but it has been growing
steadily. New people are coming all the time. The web site is up to about
1000 page downloads a week. The best week for the web site was the second
week of January, with 1101 pages downloaded. (that number seems more useful
than total hits, which includes graphics, error messages, etc.) Looper's
has only been alive about 5 months now, so the growth has been pretty
impressive. Especially since I've never really done much to promote it. So
hey, tell a friend....

>Also I was wondering if it would be a good thing to
>compile some sort of general FAQ about the list and or looping with some
>useful links which would be helpful for new members, maybe it could be sent
>out with the welcome notice that gets sent to new subscribers . I 'll offer
>to compile it and send it to you or Michael Peters to edit, proofread,
>HTML-ize, etc. If you want me to do this let me know, but I'll need
>everyone on the list to help me to figure out what the most FAQs are and
>what or where the answers are.
>
>Loopily yours  Ed

I think this is a fantastic idea! This whole thing lives by users thinking
up new ideas and jumping in to get them done. I love it, it's made Looper's
a million times better than I could ever do myself. Please go right ahead
and do this, Ed. You have my permission to freely coerce and cojole others
into helping you out too. :-)

thanks,

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:53:51 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Diethelm's delay
Message-Id: <v01520d00af1515e8d412@[200.254.32.113]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>>  Re....Thomas Dielhelm is a nylon guitar player that made some success in
>>Europe,
>>about 10 years ago using a particular kind of "looping"....
>
>Sounds VERY interesting. Thanx for the tip! Do you have a line on where,
>what label, etc. his recordings can be found?
>>

=46ink und Star Productions, Z=FCrich / Polygram CH

Tell me what you find. I would like to get some of his CD, too.
I might also write to him - or you may... where are you?

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:08:59 -0500 (EST)
From: KemMc@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: switching loops a,b,c, in echoplex How?
Message-ID: <970129143911_442992335@emout16.mail.aol.com>

Matthias,
thanks, but Kim wrote me back and made it very clear, what to do ,
with the loops A,b,c .I tried it last night and it worked great.
You guys a great
thanks 
Kem McNair
P.s. I'll contact ray peck about the killer loops for the cd
thanks again

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:32:05 -0500
From: Michael Peters <100041.247@compuserve.com>
To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Vortex link
Message-ID: <199701291632_MC2-106B-5BBC@compuserve.com>

John Ott sez,

> There is a Vortex page at:
> http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/Vortex-spec.html

whoa! just checked out this site - it's full of goodies, and we should set
up several links to it!
why not make use of all of those valuable infos available on the net! Kim?

There are pages dedicated to the Boomerang, the Jamman, and lots of other
interesting boxes, including even some info about the Echoplex ... 
       
http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Oberheim/Echoplex-01.html


Michael Peters   
private:        100041.247@compuserve.com
work:   mp@harold-scholz.de
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters

(Never pistle while you whee)

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:50:51 -0500
From: neato@pipeline.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Another new member(we ain't dead yet)
Message-Id: <v01540b00af154abadcff@[38.26.18.141]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 ghogan@lexicon.com wrote:

>
>It seems that we were unable to generate a lot of interest in these products
>until after we stopped manufacturing them.

neato says:
why so final???seems like a bigger better mousetrap (looper) may be just
what's needed! seems kind of strange to backout on the eve of what seems to
be the revolution...back to the drawing board boys
cheers

                                     all my mistakes were once acts of genius
                                                       neato@pipeline com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:01:52 -0500
From: neato@pipeline.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: New members
Message-Id: <v01540b01af154e92c454@[38.26.36.189]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

kflint@annihilist.com   wrote:
 The best week for the web site was the second
>week of January, with 1101 pages downloaded. (that number seems more useful
>than total hits, which includes graphics, error messages, etc.)

neato says:
of course...that was when you posted a reply to the ambient newsgroup
regarding a question about looping...that's when i found out about this
list, as well as countless others i'm sure...perhaps a few more posts along
those lines will show just how many people interested in looping are really
out here
cheers

                                     all my mistakes were once acts of genius
                                                       neato@pipeline com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:31:39 -0400
From: Ed Drake <ejmd@erols.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Request for FAQ info
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Hello all you loopers

As I said in my earlier post I'm going to try and compile sort sort of
general FAQ about the list and looping, I guess mostly for newbies to see
what we are all about. I'm going to reread some of the stuff from the
archives to get some ideas but in the meantime I'm open to suggestions for
this. I was thinking all of you recent subscribers and "oldtimers" could
let me know what you would like to have known about when you first
subscribed. Obviously this FAQ would include some sort of definition of or
explanation of what looping and loop based music are, what types of things
we talk about, as well as a few choice links to get people started in
exploring the web site. It seems the tools of the trade the Echoplex, Jam
Man and the Vortex need to be mentioned as these are probably the most
talked about pieces of equipment on the list. Hopefully this won't take me
to long to compile as most of the info is on the web site and I don't want
to be too redundant with what is already there. This thing doesn't need to
be too long either, so please send your suggestions, etc. directly to me.
When I feel like I've gotten a good start, I'll post it to the list for
everyone to critique.

Soon   Ed

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:13:54 +0100 (MET)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Expression on vortex.
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I did an expession pedal with an old shaller volupe pedale costing nothing
and very old (made noises when used as volume pedal). I used a Y cord. It
worked perfectly. I dunno, I don't mean to insult anyone, but did you 
press the "tap" button before trying to use the pedal (it must stay lit)

Olivier Mlahomme

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:39:16 +0100 (MET)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: A real knowledge?
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=AB so each life is different and its about impossible to
transfer experience... sad... =BB. I don=B9t believe that. There are just
other ways than or pitiful attempts with written words on this list. I
mean OK, it is so reducing...
But there remain music. I don=B9t believe music is a media of comminication
sensus stricto but it diffinitely integrate so much of your life we will
ever be able to come close to envision, that anyway it is like you tell us
ALL THE STORY OF YOUR LIFE when you play and compose. The last thing is we
have trouble being able to decode it. Look at this canadian film on Glenn
Gould where he plays a Schoenberg piece. He plays -and record- all the
movements (4, I think) not in the right order, without losing at any
moment the continuity (does continuity exist?) of the work. It shows in
some way to me that we can arrive to a form of real human (vs technic)
knwledge thru music. The thing is it promisses to be e real pain to =AB
master =BB. But it is another step to music (ie: instrument technic to
technical knowledge, to working on a voice of yours -and here I=B9m backing
the recent Eno quotation, and don=B9t find it cynical- and then learn MAN)

=AB The topic of creative isolation is striking a chord with me =BB. Well I
remember (some of you already know that) this M. Karn interview in Bass
Player where he said that to work he took an appartment away from family
and friends, to get isolated (well I know you did not exactly meant that,
but...). He also said that he had not ever bought a CD (was it in the A.
Prasad innerviews?). Duh? Or not Duh?

Olivier Malhomme

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:52:00 +0100 (MET)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Go beyond?
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Eventually (the topic is not new) I came across the little idea following.
Matthias, I think, although you changed it to "besides" I think, that
theword "Beyond" was perfectly chosen.
At first I mistook the sense like almost everyone here. But In fact we
have to go beyond -yes- not Fripp, or anyone (I have a strong reoccuring
problem with Allan Holdsworth) just because we have to go  beyond the part
of these people work wwe have internalised (oh, again does it exist, an I
making myself clear?). In a way It has nothing to see with those artists,
it is just a problem between ourselves and... ourselves!

Olivier Malhomme

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