------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 190 Today's Topics: Re: echoplex questions (was Closing [ Kim Flint ] Plex Pedals???? [ "future perfect" ] Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? [ Tom Spaulding ] Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? [ Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, ] Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? [ Kim Flint ] Re: Echo manual [ "Randy Jones" ] Re: Plex Pedals???? [ Kim Flint ] Footpedal replacement parts [ Andre LaFosse ] R: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? [ "Salvatore Passaro" ] Fwd: loopers delight page [ Ed Drake ] Fripp soundscapes In December [ Ed Drake ] RE: EDP "Tips & Tricks" Pamphlet [ David Kirkdorffer ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:22:47 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex questions (was Closing the loop) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris - check the info on the website on the echoplex, I think many of your questions are answered in the FAQ there. I'll try to answer some here anyway: At 9:25 AM -0800 11/2/97, Chris Darrow wrote: >Question 1: While investigating what it would take to upgrade the pitifull >4 meg of ram in my older 486 IBM, I was told that sometimes, when adding >simms, they can work at different speeds even though they are supposedly >the exact same type. In other words, it is better to replace all of the >memory insted of just adding to it. Is the same true of the echoplex? Will >I possibly run into problems by expanding the memory myself, which is much >cheeper and easier? Can anyone provide me with the full technical >specifications needed to avoid any conflict between old memory and new? The echoplex uses 30 pin simms. It can take 256k, 1meg, and 4meg, and every variety should work. (parity or non-parity, 8-chip, 9-chip, 2-chip, 3-chip, whatever) The only speed requirement is that they be faster than 120ns, which is everything I think. There are four simm sockets, in 2 banks of 2. You need to install the memory in pairs, so each bank should have the same size simms. It probably doesn't matter if you mix different speeds, it's only size that counts. Memory is so cheap now, that you will likely just upgrade them to the maximum memory limit. The max is four 4 meg simms, which gives you 198 seconds. 4 meg simms are typically between $16 and $25 each. (Compared to when the plex was made, and those cost $250 each! a maxed echoplex was so decadent then...) >Question 2: Well, I guess I'll need to tell you a bit of my story for >this... I've been waiting for 3 echoplexes for almost a year now. All I can >say is that Oberheim really has the delay part down! Yet I've never toyed >with one myself. Crazy? No. Calculated. There's nothing beter. I know how >they work by thinking about them, or how they should work. What I want to >know is: Am I right? > I want to play bass, guitar, and sax at the same time. Actually, it >goes further than that. The sax will be played through a mike that can be >used for a snare drum, harp, vocals or anything else (how is the static >build up for overdubs by mic?). I'll switch from guitar to keys via an A+B >footswitch. A Roland PMA will begin some songs or provide a bridge to keep >things interesting. Three units are needed to A)seporate the diferent >sounds so that each has its own stereo amplification specifically for it's >tonal region, ie; bass to a bass cab. and B) so that I can start a short >loop, build a longer one on another unit, then alter the first or dittle >with the third. Also for changing from tune to tune using the reverse of >this process. So the ultimate question is, will I be able to synch and >close the loops between three units on the fly? Or will I be forced to >slave them? If it is a matter of physical coordination, I think I can. >I've been stomping on an invisible box for mounths. (A row of pennies >suffices) Also, practicing matching notes with left hand tapping on guitar >and right hand on keys or sax. Or sax and keys. All just tricks really, but >fun. What you are trying to do is exactly what BrotherSync is for. BrotherSync allows any of the units to define the time base, which the others then listen to. The other units can then have loop times that sync up exactly or are some multiple of the original. So you could do a 5 second loop on one to define the base time, and then a 10 second loop on the second, and a fifteen second loop on the third, etc. Each of the BrotherSynced units can be operated independently, by just you or multiple people. Also, you can sync to midi clock. So an external sequencer or something can generate midi clock, and the echoplexes can set their loop times to that and sync up to it. This doesn't mean they are slaved to anything, they just use the clock. echoplex also generates midi clock, so you can have the loop time set the tempo for a sequencer. Now if you want to slave them together over midi, you can do that too. You could also do a combination. So you could have two units set up as a master/slave pair for a stereo loop, syncing to midi clock from external or BrotherSynced to another echoplex or whatever. We spent a ton of time making sure this all works, by the way. You definitely want the upgraded software for the best results. >Question 3: Kim. Why no "Previous Loop" button? Is there at least a mode >which will limmit the possble loops from 1 to 2, or even to 3, so that >"Next Loop" gets you back to 1 without going through dead loops? I'm I >thinking of it wrong? Most conventional songs are in one to three parts. >So I assume there is some way to mimic this, if one chooses, on the Plex. Being unconventional people, we let you have anywhere from 1 to 9 loops. Why is 3 so special anyway? You set the number of loops you want between 1 and 9 with the "MoreLoops" parameter. There are a variety of ways to switch between loops, but yes you can switch between say loop 6 and loop 4 without going through all of the others in between. One way is by using the mode that synchronizes the loop switching to the end of the loop, so that you have a waiting period before you actually switch. During that time you press NextLoop until the one you want to go to is displayed, and then it goes there when you get to the end of the current loop. That works pretty well for this, as long as you don't use really short loops. During that wait time you can also set it up to copy audio or copy the time base into the new loop, or you can tell it to start a function when it gets there, like overdub or record or multiply or whatever. There is also a similar sort of sync mode called "confirm" that doesn't switch until you press the confirm button, which is undo in this instance. So you would press NextLoop until it displays the loop you want to go to, then press Undo to go there. The better way to switch loops to me is with midi, where you treat it more like a sampler. Then you can have a key on a keyboard for each loop, press it and jump there instantly. The fun thing there is that it is very sampler like. You can turn velocitity on, so that the loop volume is controlled by how hard you press the key on the keyboard. You can also set it so that instead of the loop going on and on, it is only on while you hold the key down. Or you can set it to just trigger the loop and play it once. (and retrigger each time you hit the key again, for stuttering effects) hope that answers your questions, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:33:54 -0500 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Plex Pedals???? Message-ID: <01bce950$346dd540$1905afcf@artmusic> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I wait for my Plex to be shipped, I have a few questions.... 1. What brand Volume/CC pedals do you use? 2. How many are needed to get the most out of the unit? 3. What parameters do they control? Thanks for any info- Dave EIchenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:01:13 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Message-Id: <97Nov4.140150cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nico- There is no best, only what is best for you. I work for Gibson, my main guitar is a Tele. It has the sounds I need for most of the styles I am asked to play. When I need a Gibson sound, I use my ES-350T or Nighthawk. The Echoplex may be just what you need, less than you need, or more than you need. At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or thereabouts), Italy. Ciao, Tom At 11:43 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all ! >Just a few questions: >all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >Which is the best ? >The Echoplex is available in Europe? > >I'm waiting for any comments... > >ciao nicos > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:03:58 -0800 From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain Please I emplore us not to go off on a rant about the relative merits of unit to unit again ... the last time we did this not only was it not useful but boring. Let's just leave it at economics at this point ... the JMan is no longer manufactured, difficult therefore to find one used, but if you do, it will be much less expensive than the still manufactured Echoplex, though the 'plex has more variety. At 6:43 PM 11/4/97, nicomonguzzi wrote: >Hello all ! >Just a few questions: >all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >Which is the best ? >The Echoplex is available in Europe? > >I'm waiting for any comments... > >ciao nicos АААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААА Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone (service) = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:57:56 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971104225756.0068bcec@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is an echoplex/jamman feature comparison on the Looper's Delight web site, since lots of people seem to have this question. It could be more complete, but it should help you to see some of the differences between the two. (If anyone has suggestions to add to the comparison, by all means step forward....) kim At 02:01 PM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Nico- >There is no best, only what is best for you. I work for Gibson, my main >guitar is a Tele. It has the sounds I need for most of the styles I am >asked to play. When I need a Gibson sound, I use my ES-350T or Nighthawk. > >The Echoplex may be just what you need, less than you need, or more than >you need. > >At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot >legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE >approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or >thereabouts), Italy. > >Ciao, > >Tom > > >At 11:43 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Hello all ! >>Just a few questions: >>all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >>i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >>http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >>with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >>Which is the best ? >>The Echoplex is available in Europe? >> >>I'm waiting for any comments... >> >>ciao nicos >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:18:44 -0600 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: Echo manual Message-ID: <01bce8b7$360fde00$7f047fce@user.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Here is my suggestion: Arrange all of the "things I like to do with my Echoplex" into a hypertexted database fashioned visually after the front panel of the Plex. By pressing a database cell, one would be transported to a series of webpages that have step by step instructions (explicit, please!) for creating something HUGE using that particular control button. Suggestions of "things I like to do..." could be listed by the function button they relate to the most, or one which express a unique use of that particular function. We need the continual living presentation that only on line hypertext, can provide, not the printed manual. Also, the cell titles should change colors with recent new entrys, so one could tell at a glance those items with new ideas. Authors should be recognized so that private emails could clarify any arcane processes. Thanks for your effort Tom, keep up the good work. Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: Tom Spaulding To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 8:57 AM >Hello All- > >In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it >might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that >anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to >applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, >percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these >techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate >User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how >best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to >hear from you. Thanks!! > >Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:07:09 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Plex Pedals???? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:33 PM -0500 11/4/97, future perfect wrote: >While I wait for my Plex to be shipped, I have a few questions.... > >1. What brand Volume/CC pedals do you use? I use a Boss FV-50L for the feedback jack on the back. It works well. Although, something with a linear taper instead of audio might feel a little better for feedback, but it's not a big deal. It's fine when in delay or out mode, where that jack controls volumes. For CC, I use 2 Roland EV-5 pedals into a midi controller pedal, which generates the continuous controller messages. > >2. How many are needed to get the most out of the unit? > >3. What parameters do they control? The pedal in the back changes functions for different modes. In loop mode: feedback In Delay mode: input volume to the delay In Out mode: output volume from the loop you can use one midi CC to control Feedback and one to control Loop out volume. These work the same in any mode. I sort of like this way better, because I can have different pedal presets that set predefined feedback levels, or redefine the pedals for other effects. It also lets you control feedback and loop volume independently, with your feet. kim >Thanks for any info- >Dave EIchenberger > >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >"Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert >Fripp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Footpedal replacement parts Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all -- I need technical specifications on exactly what part or parts need to be ordered in order to replace the Record switch on the Echoplex footpedal. In a strictly technical sense, what do I need to tell the casier at the local music store to order? I've also heard that metal switches can be used, which are somewhat more expensive (though, at the $2.00 price I've heard, it's hardly prohibitive) but are more sturdy than the plastic ones which come factory loaded. Any details on these? Again, it's the Record switch that I need to replace. I have an impending audition next Monday with the plex, and since I may have to special-order the part, I'd appreciate any info on what I need to track down (and where I might be most likely to find it) ASAP. Thanks in advance, --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:46:54 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Footpedal replacement parts Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:00 PM -0800 11/4/97, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Hello all -- > >I need technical specifications on exactly what part or parts need to be >ordered in order to replace the Record switch on the Echoplex footpedal. >In a strictly technical sense, what do I need to tell the casier at the >local music store to order? you're probably wasting your time to try and get it at a music store. Oberheim gets them from Mouser, which anybody can buy from. Mouser could fedex the switch to you tomorrow. I don't know the part number, I guess Oberheim could tell you. I think they only cost about $.50 or so. You could buy a bunch and have spares for life! http://www.mouser.com > I've also heard that metal switches can be >used, which are somewhat more expensive (though, at the $2.00 price I've >heard, it's hardly prohibitive) but are more sturdy than the plastic ones >which come factory loaded. Any details on these? The feel of the switch is very important, and all the switches I've tried are different. So just picking anything would be a shot in the dark as to whether it's right. It's critical for record, since you really need to feel when you contact to get the timing right. And the only way to know it's right is to put it in a footpedal and stomp on it a bunch of times. You probably don't want to mess with this right before an audition! I've never been able to come up with a good replacement to suggest for this sort of thing. I always end up back with the cheap red switch from mouser, which actually works quite well. I think I tried several made by Otto that were pretty good too. I keep hoping someone will discover the perfect switch and reveal it for all the rest of us.... And $2 would be a high volume price for industrial switches like these. The price to buy one would be much higher (and they might not be willing to even bother), unless you convince them that you are a major manufacturer and they give you free samples. (Of course I would never condone something like that.....) If you want to mess around with it, here are some good manufacturers to try: Otto 708-428-7171 http://www.ottoeng.com/pushbttn.html (lots of good ones) marquardt 315-655-8050 http://www.switches.com/ C&K 617-926-6400 http://www.ckcorp.com/ Switchcraft http://www.switchcraft.com/re/swc/ grayhill 708-354-1040 http://www.grayhill.com/products/pshbttn/pshbttn.htm a few distributors: Cal Switch: http://www.calswitch.com/ (links to lots of mfg with data sheets online) Digikey http://www.digikey.com/ Mouser: http://www.mouser.com/ Didn't have time to find websites for these guys: Arcolectric 818-700-1933 Carlingswitch 203-793-9281 Direct Sound Corp 617-542-9700 EAO 203-877-4577 E-Switch 612-375-9639 idec 408-747-0550 ITW 312-282-4040 lamb 503-297-8878 NKK 602-991-0942 hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:42:33 +0100 From: "Salvatore Passaro" To: Subject: R: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Message-ID: <01bce938$444f0140$5a010196@passaro> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot >legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE >approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or >thereabouts), Italy. > >Ciao, > >Tom > Could I get it from USA? Is echoplex sold actually with loop III v5.0? I have had a bad experience two years ago in Italy, when the distributor wasn't Viscount. I bought two echoplex but none have gone well. It seemed a problem with the software. They gave back my money. Now that I thought to buy echoplex another time, it is very sad to listen that you say about CE approval. Bye, Salvatore Passaro. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Reviews Message-ID: <971105014834_-1157793963@emout09.mail.aol.com> any owner reviews of the boomerang looper? I have the jamman & echoplex pro, but some of the boomerang features seem cool on paper... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:38:35 +0000 From: Os To: Loopers Delight Subject: Collective at Omsk Club, November 6th Message-ID: <34604CAB.446B@scee.sony.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A rather last-minute announcement: There will be plenty of looping going on, from the band Collective at the Omsk music/film/art club at 333 Old Street, London, on November 6th, 9pm - 3am. For more details: http://webworlds.net/os/collective/ http://www.backspace.org/volcano/omsk.html -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:18:39 -0500 From: Ed Drake To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fwd: loopers delight page Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm forwarding this post from yesterday regarding purchasing JamMan memory upgrade chips Later Ed >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:34:39 -0500 >To: ejmd@erols.com >From: Harris Newman >Subject: loopers delight page >Hi - just an addition (if you're interested) for the JamMan page. I just >bought the 32 second memory upgrade from Visionsoft (www.visionsoft.com) >The 4 chips (micron MT4C4001JZ) were $7.95 each plus shipping. I shopped >around a fair bit, but I don't think anyone can beat $30 and change for the >whole deal. > >Harris > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:24:43 -0500 From: Ed Drake To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fripp soundscapes In December Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This was in the most recent Elephant Talk, regarding Soundscapes performances by Robert Fripp in December: > On the afternoon of Saturday 6th. December (14.30 - 17.00) there is >a Soundscapes performance in Newlyn Church, Cornwall, with artwork by John >Miller and Peter Willis, to benefit a local special needs learning group >which has had its funding cut. The group will perform following the >Soundscapes. > > The following day John Sinks, FOH and equipment tech, and myself >fly to Alexandria, Virginia, for a short tour of Soundscapes on the East >Coast. These are billed as: > >Fripp Alone - An Evening of Space Music > >The confirmed dates are: > > Wed. 10 Dec. Alexandria, VA Birchmere > Thur. 11 Dec. Philadelphia, PA Painted Bride Arts Center > Fri. 12 Dec. Philadelphia, PA Painted Bride Arts Center > Sat. 13 Dec. New York, NY Bottom Line > > It is likely that Boston will be added shortly. later Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:26:49 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Tom Spaulding' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EDP "Tips & Tricks" Pamphlet Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2F50A0@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain Adding a "tips and tricks" pamphlet - separate from the manual -- seems like a great idea to me. What a wonderful way to explore some of the many different EDP uses. I would suggest requesting limiting submissions to 1-page and using a standard format or categories to help keep information focused and complete. 1. Overview / What this set-up does 2. System Requirements Memory / Available Loop Time Internal Settings: Specific Presets 3. Other? 4. Other? 5. Here's what you do...(step-by-step instructions) 6. Name / e-mail of person submitting "tip"?? I remember a class in high-school which we all were asked to give step-by-step instructions to make a peanut butter sandwich. You'd think it was obvious. So did we. The teacher specified that we would get to eat what our instructions lead our partner to make. Initially, quite an incentive... Things got very messy and maybe 4-5 out of 20 or so kids got to each a decent sandwich. The rest of us asked if we could just clean up the mess we'd helped create rather than eat it... Moral: Giving instruction is hard. D. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Spaulding [SMTP:tspauldi@gibson.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 9:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello All- In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to hear from you. Thanks!! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:26:22 -0500 From: Len Seligman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Guitar rig advice wanted Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971105162622.0071fb34@dharma.mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm thinking putting an electric guitar and miscellaneous other things (guitar synth, mandolin with a transducer pickup, vocal mike) through a mixer, an Echoplex, and then on to a PA board. Question: is there any way to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? Currently, I have a '62 Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod Rod Deluxe and it sounds *great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, and I love the sound. Is there any way to get anything remotely close without using a guitar amp? (I once used a SansAmp for recording purposes, and I thought the sound was bad compared to miking the guitar amp.) If not, then I fear the only thing I'll be able to loop will be my guitar, or else I'll have to send the other stuff through the guitar amp, which is not known for great sound for anything but a guitar. (I can't afford two Echoplexes for just me.) Thanks for any ideas you might have. -Len --------------------------------