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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 192

Today's Topics:
  Re: Digitech RDS 800                  [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  looping drums,samplers etc.           [ Andrew <andrew@bocs.co.uk> ]
  AW: Guitar rig advice wanted          [ Haible Juergen <Juergen.Haible@nbgm ]
  Re: looping drums,samplers etc.       [ Walt Blackler <whb4@cornell.edu> ]
  Re: looping drums,samplers etc.       [ klaw@iglou.com ]
  great speakerless tone                [ Emmanuel Angel <angel2@dolphin.upen ]
  RE: Guitar rig advice wanted          [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ]
  Re: looping drums,samplers etc.       [ Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT> ]
  Re: looping drums,samplers etc.       [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: AW: Guitar rig advice wanted      [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Price range comparison: AWE64/AWE64   [ Walt Blackler <whb4@cornell.edu> ]
  Re: looping drums,samplers etc.       [ klaw@iglou.com ]
  Re: The Orb...                        [ mark sottilaro <msottila@mailbox.sy ]
  Re: The Orb...                        [ Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> ]
  live looping and drum loops SHOWS     [ Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT> ]
  Re: looping drums,samplers etc.       [ Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT> ]
  Fripp and FSOL                        [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  Re: looping drums,samplers etc.       [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  DOD FX-98                             [ Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net> ]

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 12:10:50 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800
Message-Id: <199711061806.KAA08908@scv3.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

>Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for
>$125.
>It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS
>800..or
>RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't
>recall if it


Yes, it can be used as a looper.  You can't sync to MIDI or anything, so 
it ends up functioning as an 8-second delay with footswitchable infinite 
hold.  I believe it also has a sample trigger mode.  

I've been looking for one for a while, so if you decide to pass, please 
forward the number of the store.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:10:29 -0000
From: Andrew <andrew@bocs.co.uk>
To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject:  looping drums,samplers etc.
Message-ID: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out  on the first Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'.
So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our music into the real world ?
Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ?

All the best
Andrew

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:57:01 +0100
From: Haible Juergen <Juergen.Haible@nbgm.siemens.de>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: AW: Guitar rig advice wanted
Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820A5A01@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de>
Content-Type: text/plain

	>Another trick along this same line is to remove the paper cone
from the
	>speaker. It still loads the amp pretty much the same, but it
doesn't make
	>any sound. Then with Dave's little line out box, you're set. Of
course, you
	>might want to do this with a second speaker before you destroy
the one you have.

Brilliant idea !!!

A few questions:

(1) Has anybody tried this, or is only theory so far ?

(2) You would still need some severe low pass filtering, wouldn't you?
      (Asuming the lowpass action of a real speaker mostly comes from
its large
       dimensions - but I may be wrong.)

(3) The interaction of the coil with the amp might be a little
different, as the
      coil would probably move differently without the cone.
Nevertheless,
      the idea is absolutely great, as we have a real electro-mechanical
system
      at least. Anybody checked how lrge or how small the difference is
?

JH.

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:41 -0500
From: Walt Blackler <whb4@cornell.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc.
Message-Id: <v03102801b088e358d6a7@[128.253.215.55]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

This resonates with me.  I am trying to do the same with a couple of Macs
(gasp!) using samples of real stuff to make my own stuff (not using midi
intruments or sample patches).  Just trying to create original stuff. -Walt


>The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along
>the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our
>time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of
>our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like )
>don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're
>looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly
>familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum
>loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound
>realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great
>drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec
>one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out  on the first
>Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then
>recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was
>infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum
>module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'.
>So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our
>music into the real world ?
>Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ?
>
>All the best
>Andrew

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:10 -0500
From: klaw@iglou.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc.
Message-Id: <v03007800b0894a69e920@[204.255.239.158]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I find using Steinberg's Recycle is a indespensible tool for making loops
come alive. You can send a loop into it and chop it up into small sections
based on attacks & waveform zero crossings. YOu can still maintain the
timing of the original loop but it can also be re-ordered in any way you
like since each section or "slice" is mapped to individual keys . Its such
a powerful creative tool and its a lot of fun also. Theres alot that you
can do with Recycle besides this so check it out .

                            K Law

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:19:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Emmanuel Angel <angel2@dolphin.upenn.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: great speakerless tone
Message-Id: <199711071719.MAA16505@dolphin.upenn.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A few thoughts here on guitar tone without an amp ...

I have done some home recording and gotten some remarkable results
using a Mesa Boogie V-Twin and the cheap version (sound tank) of an
Ibanez Tube Screamer.

I use the V-Twin in *clean* preamp mode and sweeten my strat tone by
adding some bass, treble, and some presence.  The output of that goes to the
Tube Screamer.  The added level and presence *before* the distortion of
the Ibanez (which is by nature a mild overdrive) seems to generate a
smooth raspiness from that little green and black box.  The high end
sounds kind of "tinkly" and seems to make the strat "talk" without
sounding too rough or edgy.  The setup seems to track my dynamics, and
I get just enough thick saturation when I play with the neck pickup.  The
'in-between' strat settings weigh in with a tad less saturation, which sounds
wonderful to my ear, and leaves me room to kick up to the former more
penetrating tone when the phrases of a building solo demand it.

The rest of my chain (optional) consists of a Yamaha
digital multi-effects box which I use *only* for its stereo chorus, and
I keep the mix of that chorus very light (maybe 25%-30%).  The
Yamaha also has some 'amp simulations' and I select the one labeled 'M'
(must mean Marshall!) which, stereotypically, seems to fatten the tone.

I take the stereo outs of the Yamaha and feed them to my Lexicon Reflex,
programmed for a relatively long (setting of 11 or 12) plate reverb and
I adjust the Mix so that its not too wet.

The sound through the headphones has been *amazing*, inspiring me to do
my best tracking when I play on top of my sequenced compositions.  The
sound in the final mix is *very* convincing.  It would be really hard to
to know that I recorded without a speaker.  The electronics in the chain
really seem to respond to my playing, almost idiosyncratically, as if
there were some real acoustic component to the sound.

My folk theory: putting my tone into a 12AX7 preamp warms it up and giggles it
a bit before the transistorized distortion.  This giggled up tone, with
added presence, drives the Ibanez in a more idiosyncratic way.  The rest
of my chain (all the chorus and reverb stuff) breathes more life and animation
into the signal.  I think the fact that each box acts as some function on the
signal creates a whole that is greater in complexity than the sum of the parts.

My ethic: fool around with stuff, experiment.  One would not normally think
(at least I didn't) of taking the signal from an expensive tube preamp ($300)
set on clean and passing it into a cheap ($35) overdrive box.  Experiment with
what you have and try things that may not seem warranted by a 'hi-fi'
components view of the world, in which the quality of a chain is considered
to be its weakist link.  This approach can be used for looping or recording.

Mickey Angel

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:56:04 -0500
From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata)
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Guitar rig advice wanted
Message-ID: <01BCEB7C.836779C0@mark.asisoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have two opposing opinions about DI'ing an electric guitar into a PA board:

1.  You may want to try one of those sealed speaker enclosures that contains 1 or 2 speakers and a microphone for connecting to the board.  Hook it up to your amp and crank it as loud as you want.  Then connect the mic to your PA board.  Little or no sound comes out of the enclosure.

2.  The guitar to amp configuration has its advantages, disadvantages and idiosyncrasies.  So does the guitar to processor to PA board configuration.  Perhaps there are interesting sonic qualities in this configuration that are just as beautiful, but different than the traditional guitar to amp configuration.  They may be worth exploring.

The first time I played a SansAmp PSA-1 through a mixer, power amp and studio reference monitors, I thought it sounded horrible.  Then the salesman popped in and added a touch of digital reverb.  It still sounded horrible.

Then several months later, a little voice in the back of my head kept saying, "All those knobs and different types of outputs.  There must be something to this thing."  So I tried it with a Marshall Valvestate 8004 power amp and two speakers (an EV12L and a Celestion).  It sounded fantastic.

Then I patched a JamMan into its effects loop and DI'ed the PSA-1 into a multitrack tape deck.  Again, it sounded fantastic.

The moral:  Look for equipment that compliments each other.

Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:02:03 +0100
From: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc.
Message-ID: <19971107190202640.AAA157@Default>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 10.10 07/11/97 -0000, you wrote:
>The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along
the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our
time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of
our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like )
don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're
looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly
familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum loops
? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound
realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great drum
sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec one shot
sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out  on the first Black Sabbath
album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then recorded both that and
a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was infinitely more pleasing
than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum module. The 'real' drum
sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'.
>So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our music
into the real world ?
>Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ?
>
>All the best
>Andrew
>

Hi Andrew

For drum loops in my compositions (no real time looping) I use the PC and
some editing programs. With SOund Forge you have no limit in cutting,
stretching and altering the sound of your drum loops and samples.
More often I ask to drummers friends of mine to record on Dat  (but normal
tape works too) their grooves and patterns. Then I edit all on the PC. 
Another thing I like to do is recording my Stick loops and then edit them on
the PC, separating each loop from the others, changing the sequence,
processing and adding colours.

ciao
leo

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:34:52 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc.
Message-Id: <v03102800b0890ce16681@[207.171.198.109]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of
websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a
sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it
more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot
of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you
could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and
chop them up into pieces for your own use.

A lot of people seem to use cubase for this stuff, as I understand because
it has the best interface for programming drum parts. I never used it, so I
can't say.

For samplers, the Akai MPC2000 seems to be the choice of the moment for a
lot of producers. (shadow used the older MPC60 for most of his stuff.) They
have a very usable, drum-machine like interface that makes it easy to use
for drum tracks. I've heard good things about some of the new emu samplers
too, which are remarkably cheap these days.

kim


>The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along
>the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our
>time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of
>our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like )
>don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're
>looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly
>familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum
>loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound
>realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great
>drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec
>one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out  on the first
>Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then
>recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was
>infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum
>module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'.
>So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our
>music into the real world ?
>Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ?
>
>All the best
>Andrew


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:38:59 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: AW: Guitar rig advice wanted
Message-Id: <v03102801b0890fd718ce@[207.171.198.109]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>	>Another trick along this same line is to remove the paper cone
>from the
>	>speaker. It still loads the amp pretty much the same, but it
>doesn't make
>	>any sound. Then with Dave's little line out box, you're set. Of
>course, you
>	>might want to do this with a second speaker before you destroy
>the one you have.
>
>Brilliant idea !!!
>
>A few questions:
>
>(1) Has anybody tried this, or is only theory so far ?

I got the idea from someone who had done it, and is very happy with the
result. I haven't heard it myself, but he's pretty into good guitar tone so
I imagine its doing a good job. Give it a try, let us know.

figuring out how to get good sounding stuff into the loop is something we
all deal with....

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:12:42 -0500
From: Walt Blackler <whb4@cornell.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Price range comparison: AWE64/AWE64 Gold & what else?
Message-Id: <v03102809b0892690a6dd@[128.253.215.55]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

What are the other cards I should be considering in the same price range as
the AWE64/AWE64 Gold?   Thanks in advance you techies! -Walt

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:28:31 -0500
From: klaw@iglou.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc.
Message-Id: <v03007800b08a091bb6aa@[204.255.239.91]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I use a Emu E6400 and also make extensive use of Recycle as I mentioned
recently.As far as samplers go I believe Emu is the leader of the pack
particularly with the realtime controllers & modular processing matrix. If
you are looking for something cheaper ( much cheaper) check out the
aforementioned Akai MPC or better still have a look at the Dr Sample from
Roland. This thing sounds very good has some amazing features( realtime
time stretch!) uses removiable media & costs less than $ 400. Very nice
portable sampler also loops are individually reverseable which is cool.It
also has selectable sampling rates etc. Again It really depends on what you
want to do with a looper-sampler.

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:24:08 -0500
From: mark sottilaro <msottila@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: The Orb...
Message-ID: <34640588.320B8F76@mailbox.syr.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hey Orb and possible Orb fans,

There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast
forward).  Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get
it as an import.  It is a monumentally beautiful album!  Why it's out of
print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here
and there (that's how I found my copy)  We should all yell at the person
that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons)  Give
the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable.  Check
it out if you can find it.

Mark.

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:44:58 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: The Orb...
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971108064458.0096b868@pop.chromatic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall
actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his
name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something?

kim

At 01:24 AM 11/8/97 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote:
>Hey Orb and possible Orb fans,
>
>There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast
>forward).  Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get
>it as an import.  It is a monumentally beautiful album!  Why it's out of
>print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here
>and there (that's how I found my copy)  We should all yell at the person
>that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons)  Give
>the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable.  Check
>it out if you can find it.
>
>Mark.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint		       408-752-9284
Mpact System Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com
Chromatic Research             http://www.chromatic.com

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:52:13 +0100
From: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: live looping and drum loops SHOWS
Message-ID: <19971108115212593.AAA206@Default>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi all

As a musical journalist this week I saw 2 great concerts featuring large use
of loops and looping.

The first one was Jungle Funk, featuring Vinx, great vocalist and
percussionist, Will Calhoun and Doug Wimbish, drums and bass from Living
Colour. 
I can only say that this trio had 4 (four) jamman on stage. One for the
voice, and the background vocals Vinx layered were incredible, one for
acustic percussions (Vinx too), one for Wave Drum, played in some songs by
Calhoun, and one for bass. Not ambient stuff, all was functional to the
songs. Overlapping harmonies, rhythms, solos, etc.

The second one was (I just finished to write the review) Bjork live show.
This was really impressing. She's touring Europe with an 8 strings section,
the Islandic String Octet I Think, and sampler-sequencer man Mark Bell.
The shows is amazing and the loops Bell uses are mind opening. Lot of
pitched down drums, ethnic instruments, processed percussions and a lot more. 
And Bjork is still great in her singing and writing.

Ciao
leo

PS. Jungle Funk CD is self producted (it's good material but not really well
recorded...). The reference url on the booklet are www.vinx.com and
www.jazzateria.com. 

PPS. Some of you DJs out there know some mailing lists about sampling, time
stretching and the latest musical styles??? Not music fan list, I'm
interested from a technical point of view. Thanks

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:55:13 +0100
From: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc.
Message-ID: <19971108115512718.AAA202@Default>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 10.34 07/11/97 -0800, you wrote:
>If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of
>websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a
>sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it
>more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot
>of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you
>could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and
>chop them up into pieces for your own use.

Hey kim, 
do you know any specific address??
And what's DIY?

thanks
ciao
leo

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:11:10 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Fripp and FSOL
Message-Id: <v01520d00b08a3021bc70@[205.177.25.43]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

)n 11/7/97 Kim Flint wrote:

>Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall
>actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his
>name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something?
>
>kim
>

 Funny I was listening to this this morning as my wife and I were cleaning.
I totally forgtot that RF contrubuted anything to this release, so I just
grabbed the CD and he is on track 3 of disc 1, a piece called Flak. There
is about 14 seconds of an instantly recognizable loop by RF. I'm unsure if
any other parts are his. I seem to remember an interview where he sadi he
gave them a fair amount of material to work with, but most was not used.

He also appeared on one or two tracks of the FSOL release ISDN. Robert's
contrubtions on FFWD are much more prominent. Both Lifeforms and FFWD are
worthwhile music to check out.

Patrick


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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:09:04 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc.
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At 12:55 PM +0100 11/8/97, Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
>At 10.34 07/11/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of
>>websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a
>>sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it
>>more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot
>>of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you
>>could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and
>>chop them up into pieces for your own use.
>
>Hey kim,
>do you know any specific address??

some stuff I saved in my bookmark file:

http://www.breaks.com/       the breaks website, the have a mailing list too
http://remote.ticfin.com/    113
http://www.loknet.demon.co.uk/leech/breakbeats.html  subverts breakbeat page
http://jungle.syspace.co.uk/jungle/home.html   Drum n' Bass arena

there's probably a lot more than that out there.

>And what's DIY?

DIY = Do It Yourself

kim

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:37:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: DOD FX-98
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Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds
delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper
friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do
babies REALLY come from?

steve d


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