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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 194

Today's Topics:
  Re: AW: Vortex info                   [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: AW: Vortex info                   [ klaw@iglou.com ]
  Re: cyclone (was Vortex info)         [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: Digitech RDS 800                  [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: cyclone (was Vortex info)         [ klaw@iglou.com ]
  AW: AW: Vortex info                   [ Haible Juergen <Juergen.Haible@nbgm ]
  Re: How much should you pay for a JA  [ Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net ]
  Re: DOD FX-98                         [ Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net ]
  Re: ADA S1000 delay                   [ Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net ]
  Re: ADA S1000 delay                   [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]
  Frisell live                          [ Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT> ]
  Re: Frisell live                      [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]
  Re[2]: Frisell live                   [ David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton ]
  Yamaha SU10                           [ Bopster <boppo@dlc.fi> ]
  Re: DOD FX-98                         [ Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net> ]
  vortex trade?                         [ Monkici@aol.com ]
  Re: cyclone (was Vortex info)         [ Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net> ]
  Re: Re: Frisell live                  [ KILLINFO@aol.com ]
  Re: How much should you pay for a JA  [ Marc Lawrence Roche <govinda@cyber- ]
  FS: Korg SDD-2000                     [ Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net> ]
  Re: FS: Korg SDD-2000                 [ James Barnett <spingo@echonyc.com> ]
  Re: Yamaha SU10                       [ David & Daniel Ferguson <breakz@hom ]
  Advice wanted for Novice Looper       [ Drumworker@aol.com ]
  Re: BeatSync (was vortex info)        [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:40:49 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: AW: Vortex info
Message-Id: <v03102802b08e54276d9b@[207.171.198.141]>
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Haible Juergen wrote:

>	> Delay time itself is set by tapping in a tempo with a
>footswitch or
>	> front panel button.  Each delay is set to some fraction of
>this tempo.
>	> This makes it easy to get perfect cross-rhythms, such as three
>against two
>	> (or seven against thirteen, or whatever), in time with your
>playing.
>
>Would it be possible to set the delay time by electronic (switch-)
>triggers instead of foot switches?
>Well sure it would work to replace the foot switches, but the question
>is does it work *continously*, for example syncing the delay to
>the clock of an analogue sequencer or arpeggiator? (Or does the
>tap tempo only work in a kind of "learn" mode?)
>What, if the clock rate changes - will the Vortex' delay time follow?
>Faster should be easier than longer, I guess.
>
>Does the Vortex do things like that?
>Are there other Delay boxes that do such things?

The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse clock from
old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It also works
with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio sources, like
a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has to be some
kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for setting loop
times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive pulse clocks
out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the loop.

I don't know of any other delay boxes that can do anything like that. Most
devices use midi clock if they do anything. I'd love to hear about anyone
using the echoplex this way, actually. I know it works, but I haven't seen
it truly being used yet!

kim

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:19:03 -0500
From: klaw@iglou.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: AW: Vortex info
Message-Id: <v03007802b08f3ca96b3d@[204.255.239.162]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hey Kim , ever hook up the ever unreliable Cyclone to the Beat sync?

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:01:30 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info)
Message-Id: <v03102802b08ef434639f@[207.171.198.78]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 11:19 PM -0500 11/11/97, klaw@iglou.com wrote:
>Hey Kim , ever hook up the ever unreliable Cyclone to the Beat sync?

No, I never did anything with the OB cyclone. Those funny little boxes
predated my time in the Gibson asylum. I'm aware of a small subset of
musicians who love the cyclone and swear by it's creative possibilities. I
guess it took a very motivated personality to actually figure it out. Are
you one of them? Does it use a pulse sync? I don't even know.

The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want that...

kim

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:09:57 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800
Message-Id: <v03102803b08ef6c9fee0@[207.171.198.78]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hey all you RDS8000 fans, how about if one of you collects all the great
info that's been posted lately and make it a web page for the Looper's
Delight website? Then people can easily learn all about it and the story
will be available forever.

Remember: The Looper's Delight site survives and prospers by volunteers
helping out. The few of us working on this can only do so much, so if you
can think of some way you might contribute, please do!

Believe me, if I were the only one doing this, it would really suck. Big
thanks to everyone who has put in a little time (or a lot) to help out!

kim


>ANET@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I own an RDS8000 as well as a JAMMAN.   The RDS8000 would be best described
>> as an early entry into digital looping by Digitech.  They made two models, a
>> 4 second machine RDS4000 and the 8 second RDS8000.  These units are fun,
>> reliable and very rugged and are best used for setting "static" looping
>> conditions such as preset delays for vocals from the microsecond range
>>to the
>> millisecond range with one or more "echos" added to the mix.   It has a very
>> nice flanging capability, and as mentioned earlier up to 8 seconds of
>>looping
>> capability.  I haven't used it in a while but I think you can record an
>> infinite number of loops over the delay pattern.  Unlike the Jamman, you
>> cannot set up a tempo dynamically (no tap tempo).  However, the range of
>> delay from the smallest to longest is controlled by a pot. and a range
>> selector. The selector gives the range such as 1ms 2ms 1 sec  2sec 4sec and
>> 8sec and the other which allows you to vary that range from the smallest to
>> the next level, for example 1ms to 2ms range is selectable when the selector
>> is on the 1ms range and the pot. is rotated from the left to the right.  I
>> haven't tried it yet, but I wanted to use the RDS8000 for a poor man's
>>stereo
>> by placing it on my stereo mixer using a mono signal (such as my vocals) and
>> on one of the channels adding a slight delay to increase spatiality.  All in
>> all, a fun toy at a cheap price, I paid $125.00 6 years ago.
>>
>> HAVE FUN! I have a 7.6 sec. time machine by digitech,and i'll pass this on.I
>> made a foot controller from a volume pedel and a few parts from radio
>> shack.since the device is operated by controlled voltage I hooked up a
>>9v power
>> supply to an on and off button, then it goes to a volume pot for range
>>of delay
>> then to the pot in the pedel for sweeping within the range set by the first
>> pot!You plug it into the cv in jack on the back.I also use a roland
>>tr-626 drum
>> machine that puts out a +5v pulse,this sets the length of the echo to the
>> beat.its so easy!Jeff


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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:51:06 -0500
From: klaw@iglou.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info)
Message-Id: <v03007805b08f7a8cf587@[204.255.239.162]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

No pun intended on this tornadic thread here. Seriously I do use a Cyclone
& while it is totally unreliable as a live dependable piece its great for
recording & sampling & for that matter Looping!Ive achieved some amazing
heard once never again rhythms with this little logic defying gray block of
plastic.
This thing does what it wants. Thats all there is to it.Be prepared to
spend hours reading & tweaking until you think youve got it all figured out
and...without any warning  it clears its memory !Since it uses midi notes
try running your midi controller keyboard etc thru it on the way to your
sampler then get ready. Predictive this thing is not.The programming is
deep & frankly sometimes baffling to me. The manual tries to make sense of
the cryptic symbols on the front panel but ends up being more cryptic. THe
thing is fun though and I do use it alot . Ill arpeggiate 3 or more samples
going into the Plex(audio loop)and it will always do something that will
surprise me . In my expierence the Echoplex does not like to be Cycloned
midiwise however.The front panel does some weird exotic stuff when in its
path. Totally unuseable for some applications absolutely brillant for
others> pickup one up cheap if you can.
Kim I tried Beat sync & I cant get it happenin. Im sending out pulses using
a Sound Sculpture SwitchBlade into the Bs input with< sync in> enabled  ..
nothing
whats up?   Thanks  K Law

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:02:47 +0100
From: Haible Juergen <Juergen.Haible@nbgm.siemens.de>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: AW: AW: Vortex info
Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de>
Content-Type: text/plain

	>The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse
clock from
	>old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It
also works
	>with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio
sources, like
	>a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has
to be some
	>kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for
setting loop
	>times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive
pulse clocks
	>out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the
loop.

This sounds amazing !

You know, one of my favorite things is playing lead lines on other 
synths, while my OB-8's (from Oberheim's glory days!) arpeggiator 
plays percussive patterns into a multitap delay (SRS-56).
Then, after some minutes of freaking out, I set the arpeggiator
to a much slower rate, and adjust the OB-8's envelopes accordingly,
which will now produce very slowly rising and fading notes, and
I love calming down and playing very slow melody fragments
over this pattern.
It would be very pleasant to have a delay that follows such extreme
tempo changes seamlessly.
But there is one thing I don't quite understand:

Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every
500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds.
Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its
cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ?
And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long
loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?)

Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen.

JH.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:08:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE
Message-Id: <199711121108.GAA16992@mcfeely.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 12:42 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote:
>At 12:02 PM 11/10/97 PST, Jeffrey Robert wrote:
>>What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN?
>
>New Jammans probably would cost you about $50,000, since Lexicon stopped
>making them quite a while ago and you would have to put it in production
>yourself!
>
>Used ones seem to be over $300 and rising. We should put a graph on the web
>page.....
>
>kim
>
>

After about two months of chasing smoldering leads, some kind soul posted to
this group about a demo lanquishing in a music store--I was the first of
three callers the next day (the salesman was surprised, to say the
least)--paid more than I had hoped $325&tax&freight (but it does have the
factory warranty :)

Then another kind soul posted about the 32 sec memory upgrade from
Visionsoft, which I'm expecting this week-- $ 31.80 plus $ 7 shipping
(damnn, those old chips are heavy)

I haven't even really run my didgeridus through the thing yet--I'm having
way too much fun doing the Tibetan chorus and Tuvan throat singing thing and
phasing it with my DOD delay pedal.

Thanks for all the info--you guys (and gals?) are good!

Tom

PS Now if I only had a Vortex :( . . .  (Brian J.--are you listening?)
Tom Lambrecht  hideo@concentric.net

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:21:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: DOD FX-98
Message-Id: <199711121121.GAA18352@mcfeely.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 02:37 AM 11/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds
>delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper
>friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do
>babies REALLY come from?
>
>steve d
>


Big question is, "Does it exist?) I called DOD about two months ago and they
hemmed and hawed and said maybe this winter . . . I have yet to see one

I bought a 94 (4 seconds delay--no reverse) for $ 110 discounted after Ed
Chang's helpful post and am generally pleased with it (alittle regenerative
whine with some inputs) but sounds ok
12 bit sampling


Tom
Tom Lambrecht  hideo@concentric.net

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:25:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: ADA S1000 delay
Message-Id: <199711121125.GAA18658@mcfeely.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Any one have any comments on this unit--thinking of m/o ing a used one for $75
one sec. delay, chorus, flange


particularly, sound quality, and tricks

tanks,

Tom
Tom Lambrecht  hideo@concentric.net

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:43:37 -0500 (EST)
From: PJBMHB@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: ADA S1000 delay
Message-ID: <971112064336_-556883897@mrin54.mail.aol.com>

a friend of mine has one in his studio that he uses for chorus and flange and
really likes the sound. i don't think he really uses it for delay so much.
(he isn't the looping type too much anyway:O) he swears by its chorus and
flange capabilities though. =-) PJ

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:49:18 +0100
From: Leonardo Cavallo <LEO@DINONET.IT>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Frisell live
Message-ID: <19971112124914546.AAA206@Default>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi

Yesterday I've seen Bill Frisell live for the second time this year. Not
with his new quartet (the first time) but in duo with Joey Baron.
As I hoped for this kind of line up, there was a big amount of looping in
the show. Frisell uses the same device  with two pedals and some knob on it
(rds 8000 i think). He mounts it over a little reverb/delay half rack and
that was all.

Some interesting notes I didn't notice the first time (when looping was
quite minimal):

- Frisell develops and builds his loops in silence. He plays some notes in
the air to begin, then you can see him picking and strumming but no sound
comes out from the amps. Baron often starts to play and still there's no
loop playing. Suddenldly Frisell gives the loop volume and you hear this
REALLY ODD phrases and sounds coming out. He uses pitch and speed knob a lot
to alter the sound of his loops.

- There was no sync between the loops and Baron drumming. It was something
wanted and the effect was really interesting. Also when the loop were
extremely rhythmic. Not only layers and sounds with no rythmic reference but
arpeggios and bass notes too, crossing the bars without any sync to the
beats of the songs.

- For this kind of lineup Frisell uses the loops to have a bigger sound and
to set the mood of the piece . Quite often without any harmonic (or rhytmic,
as above) relationship with his improvisation lines played over the loop.

Great show (not only for the looping side...)


ciao
leo
 

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:47:56 -0500 (EST)
From: PJBMHB@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Frisell live
Message-ID: <971112074756_460166868@mrin40.mail.aol.com>

actually i think he uses a digitech echo +. that is what he used in his
instructional video. he is awesome. it must have been a great show!! =-) PJ

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:33:06 +0000
From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re[2]: Frisell live
Message-ID: <0009F995.001424@mail.bl.uk>
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> actually i think he uses a digitech echo +. that is what he used in his 
> instructional video. 

I don't recall having heard mention of this before - do you have details of
which company produced it, approximate date of release etc?

Thanks

David

          

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:18:08 +0100
From: Bopster <boppo@dlc.fi>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Yamaha SU10
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112181808.006d3f90@mail.dlc.fi>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello loopers,

I've been searching for something to loop my vocals/some drums on (mostly
in live situations), and to do some small sampling with. Yesterday I found
a Yamaha SU10, which seems like an acceptable alternative for me (the music
stores in Finland are quite crappy...). 
If anyone has any excperience with this little baby, please tell me about it.

Thank you,
Bopster

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: DOD FX-98
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.971112101628.1873A-100000@apollo.gti.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

> >
> >Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds
> >delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper
> >friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do
> >babies REALLY come from?
> 
> Big question is, "Does it exist?) I called DOD about two months ago and they
> hemmed and hawed and said maybe this winter . . . I have yet to see one
> 
> I bought a 94 (4 seconds delay--no reverse) for $ 110 discounted after Ed
> Chang's helpful post and am generally pleased with it (alittle regenerative
> whine with some inputs) but sounds ok
> 12 bit sampling


It's in the new AMS catalog for $99.50, I'm going to order one unless
they're lying about having it.

steve d


         Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes.  
         DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw 
              may be habit forming. Consult your physician.

                      http://www.gti.net/skullsaw

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Monkici@aol.com
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: vortex trade?
Message-ID: <971112101731_2071008665@mrin41.mail.aol.com>

would anyone be interested in trading a jamman for an excellent condition
vortex?  any other interesting trades?

peace, ric
513 861 1687

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:24:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971112092400.906B-100000@icarus.icarus.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Kim Flint wrote:

> The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want that...

It's for all those guys who think that a sample of a guitar sounds even
remotely like a guitar... 

-dave

By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete.
Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. 
Venus De Milo.
To a child she is ugly.       /* dstagner@icarus.net */
   -Charles Fort              

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:12:54 -0500 (EST)
From: KILLINFO@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Frisell live
Message-ID: <971112111253_935650688@mrin51.mail.aol.com>

His instructional video? This I HAVE to see (really). Tell us more about it.
I'm a big fan of Mr. Frissell and I've never heard anything about a video.

T. Killian

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:26:58 -0800
From: Marc Lawrence Roche <govinda@cyber-dyne.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE
Message-ID: <01bcef87$cc19d640$0a2981d0@govinda.cyber-dyne.com>
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	charset="us-ascii"
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For what it's worth, I sold mine (w/ expansion mem) for $500.  Still waiting
on my plex.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE


>At 12:42 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>At 12:02 PM 11/10/97 PST, Jeffrey Robert wrote:
>>>What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN?
>>
>>New Jammans probably would cost you about $50,000, since Lexicon stopped
>>making them quite a while ago and you would have to put it in production
>>yourself!
>>
>>Used ones seem to be over $300 and rising. We should put a graph on the
web
>>page.....
>>
>>kim
>>
>>
>
>After about two months of chasing smoldering leads, some kind soul posted
to
>this group about a demo lanquishing in a music store--I was the first of
>three callers the next day (the salesman was surprised, to say the
>least)--paid more than I had hoped $325&tax&freight (but it does have the
>factory warranty :)
>
>Then another kind soul posted about the 32 sec memory upgrade from
>Visionsoft, which I'm expecting this week-- $ 31.80 plus $ 7 shipping
>(damnn, those old chips are heavy)
>
>I haven't even really run my didgeridus through the thing yet--I'm having
>way too much fun doing the Tibetan chorus and Tuvan throat singing thing
and
>phasing it with my DOD delay pedal.
>
>Thanks for all the info--you guys (and gals?) are good!
>
>Tom
>
>PS Now if I only had a Vortex :( . . .  (Brian J.--are you listening?)
>Tom Lambrecht  hideo@concentric.net
>
>

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:38:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven Dubofsky <skullsaw@gti.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: FS: Korg SDD-2000
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.971112113626.8269A-100000@apollo.gti.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

For Sale: Korg SDD-2000 - up to four seconds of delay and sampling, midi,
delay can read midi clocks, does the usual flanging, chorusing, etc., 64
editable patches, excellant condition - $150.00

steve d


         Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes.  
         DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw 
              may be habit forming. Consult your physician.

                      http://www.gti.net/skullsaw

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:13:05 -0500 (EST)
From: James Barnett <spingo@echonyc.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: FS: Korg SDD-2000
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Sigh.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:45:38 +0200
From: David & Daniel Ferguson <breakz@hom.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Yamaha SU10
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A friend of mine has a SU10, and it is phat, I would recomend it 
highly.

Daniel

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:11:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Drumworker@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Advice wanted for Novice Looper
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I realize that this question has probably been asked several times before, so
forgive me, but...

Does the Echoplex have an "echo"-type setting that works in a way similar to
the JamMan's? I intend to buy one or the other but don't know if I should own
both!?!

As usual, any advice/experience is appreciated.

Paul O.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:49:50 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info)
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At 11:02 AM +0100 11/12/97, Haible Juergen wrote:
>	>The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse
>clock from
>	>old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It
>also works
>	>with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio
>sources, like
>	>a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has
>to be some
>	>kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for
>setting loop
>	>times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive
>pulse clocks
>	>out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the
>loop.
>
>This sounds amazing !

>Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every
>500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds.
>Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its
>cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ?
>And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long
>loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?)
>
>Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen.

No, it won't do that I'm afraid. As the clock varies within a certain
tolerance, the echoplex will stay in sync by retriggering the loop to keep
it lined up. But if the tempo changes too much, it assumes that you don't
want to stay in sync anymore and it stops trying. So then the loop just
plays on in its normal length. The echoplex can't do time stretching or
tape-speed-changing effects. Still very useful though, because most clocks
have a lot of jitter and drift around in speed. The sync keep things lined
up, so that the loop and the sequencer or whatever don't drift from each
other.

kim

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