------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 198 Today's Topics: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 [ Paolo Valladolid ] Re: Silver Apples [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] Re: Vortex for sale [ klaw@iglou.com ] Re: The Orb... [ jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) ] Re: Advice wanted for Novice Looper [ "Brian L Jackson" ] Re: OOPS . . . [ Twayn Williams To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Message-Id: <199711150059.QAA17723@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Mikel's response to Markus's "Is a GR700 worth it?"] > > I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so > >much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new > >for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a > >sequencer, too. > > > GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? Since the GR-700 is analog, > it will likely sound totally different. Whether it's better or not depends > on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be > completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. I tend to > prefer the more "interesting" sounds to be found in other types, like > analog. You can get a more unique sound, and the timbral nuances are > typically more controllable. That's my taste, though.... If you want the > guitar to sound similar to a grand piano or a crash cymbal or a tuba or > whatever, than sample playback is the thing. > > kim More input from a GR700 owner: I'd have to agree that a true analog synth such as the GR700 has not only a different sound than a sample playback synth but also a different characteristic behavior. That is why there are some folks out there searching for GR700s and GR300s even with the availability of more "advanced" guitar synths such as the GR30. Gayle Ellett of the prog rock group Djam Karet turned me on to the idea of using the GR700's glitches to creative advantage. In particular, the GR700 doesn't handle harmonics very well (hence the manual's admonition: "Please do not play the GR700 in the harmonics manner" under the section _Problems Caused by Your Improper Playing Manner_). In fact, a strongly played harmonic drives it nuts. For example, a hard strum of the natural harmonics located above the fifth fret causes the GR700 to spit out a random stream of high pitched notes. By working to cause the GR700 to glitch _on purpose_ you can get some intriguing sounds not available from keyboard-operated synths or the more refined descendants of the GR700. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:13:19 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Message-Id: <199711150113.AA20221@world.std.com> >>[GR30] sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new >GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? >Since the GR-700 is analog, it will likely sound >totally different. Whether it's better or not depends >on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be >completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. [caveat: one person's opinion] I bought a GR30 recently, and compared to my experience with a friend's GR-700 years and years ago, I'm disappointed. (Only relatively, though; I'm content with it nonetheless.) I very much dislike the effect of multisample playback on the guitar. Notes which are pitch bent very far lose all their tone (since they don't switch to the "right" sample, and it might even be that the internal filter doesn't follow it right), which pretty much trashes my guitar style with lots of slides of a fifth or an octave (or in between). I would love to be able to slide-without-retriggering a good violin sound, but I'd rather be able to do a poor analog psuedo-violin sound then a violin sample which loses all high end when slid a fourth. And I can't even get a good classic Fripp sound since there's aliasing in a lot of sounds if you transpose up an octave and play on the high frets. I can understand where switching samples is probably hard if not impossible, and why most synthesizers wouldn't bother doing it (pitch bending is a wacky not directly musical effect!), but when used from an electric guitar controller (or perhaps a violin controller), pitch bend is directly musical, and it would have been nice for them to actually tackle the problem of making the output musical, instead of providing 4 different ways to accomplish pitch bends that don't sound very good. I'm going to supplement my GR30 with MIDI synths, and I wonder how long it will be before I simply don't use the GR30's sounds anymore. The classical guitar patch is pretty and perhaps useable; one of the acoustic guitars has an annoying wrong tonality in one region, and the cello (or one of the strings like that) has one sample whose attack is a very noticeably different note than the loop. The drum samples might as well not be there (no cymbals since they didn't want to waste the sample memory on it). So, of the samples I've explored seriously, I've only found about half to be useable. This would argue for getting a GI10 or whatever it's called and simply skipping the GR30's internal sounds, its goofy arpeggiator, etc. in the first place. This discussion is of course probably more appropriate to the Digital Guitar mailing list. Sean Barrett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:33:53 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Trigger imput Message-ID: <346CFC01.6291@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have this on my old digitech delay. It's for a drum machine trigger. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Silver Apples Message-Id: <199711150132.RAA17984@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Silver Apples was a duo of Simeon on The Simeon and Dan Taylor on percussion with both doing vocals. A CD compiling their first two albums (from the late 60s) was just released on MCA. The Simeon was the name given to Simeon's "instrument". From the liner notes, here is a list of The Simeon's components: 6 bass oscillators triggered by six wooden pedals 3 rhythm oscillators controlled by three hand switches 2 Maestro tone controls - one connected to the rhythm oscillators, the other to the lead oscillator. 1 lead oscillator connected to a tone control 1 Echoplex (the old analog one of course) 1 Wah-wah pedal between the lead tone control and the Echoplex 1 Radio 1 Mic 3 Amplifiers Simeon basically played the bass oscillators with his feet while playing the other parts with his hands. All while singing lead vocals too. To most of us weaned on mainstream pop/rock music, this music may seem a little bizarre. Yet it has its own quirky appeal. This amazing CD has to be heard to be believed. I find it a miracle a big company like MCA was willing to release groundbreaking music like this. Cheers, Paolo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:42:44 +0000 From: malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sync Message-ID: <346CD3CD.7DB@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it can be of any use... I sync my old SH-101 (roland mono synth) with an old TR606, this way: Thru my sequencer, I send codes to the TR that make it play bass drum and snare at the same (better with all the sounds), with volume cranked up. Then the "sound" in sent via jeck to the external clock input of the SH-101. Of course it is not enough to rech the 5V (on the roland, I think the clock is 12V, but I'm not sure), bu it is enough to make it play synched to the sequencer, which is enough to do the job. Since we can get sync with midi, then de facto an old analog thingie can be synched with a looper... Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:42:28 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Silver Apples Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Silver Apples was a duo of Simeon on The Simeon and Dan Taylor on percussion >with both doing vocals. A CD compiling their first two albums (from the late >60s) was just released on MCA. > >The Simeon was the name given to Simeon's "instrument". From the liner >notes, here is a list of The Simeon's components: > >6 bass oscillators triggered by six wooden pedals >3 rhythm oscillators controlled by three hand switches >2 Maestro tone controls - one connected to the rhythm oscillators, the other >to the lead oscillator. >1 lead oscillator connected to a tone control >1 Echoplex (the old analog one of course) >1 Wah-wah pedal between the lead tone control and the Echoplex >1 Radio >1 Mic >3 Amplifiers > >Simeon basically played the bass oscillators with his feet while playing >the other parts with his hands. All while singing lead vocals too. > >To most of us weaned on mainstream pop/rock music, this music may seem a little >bizarre. Yet it has its own quirky appeal. This amazing CD has to be >heard to be believed. > >I find it a miracle a big company like MCA was willing to release >groundbreaking music like this. > >Cheers, >Paolo I have to second Paolo's recommendation here. A friend turned me on to their first lp a few years ago, it's great that it's out on CD. It is a very unusual records, instrumentally some of it wouldn't be out of place on an aphex twin record, which is amazing for when it was recorded, yet some of it could not have been recorded any other time, the stoner hippy lyrics are hilarious. I understand that Simeon has a new version of the band, I'd love to hear them. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:17:20 -0500 From: klaw@iglou.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex for sale Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Found this on dejanews - I just bought the Jamman, but the Vortex is still >for sale I think: >>>>>>Hey thanks but I already own one.Glad you nailed the Jman!I located >>>>>>one here in town and at least 2 vortexes. BTW , if the JM doesnt have >>>>>>full memory ask someone on the list about the flashram. Dont buy it >>>>>>from Lexicon!I got mine from them when the unit first came out. I >>>>>>think you can get under$ 100 these days. OK good news take care K Law >Subject: Lexicon Vortex And Lexicon Jamman >From: soundjones@aol.com (SOUNDJONES) >Date: 1997/11/14 >Message-ID: <19971114181401.NAA02988@ladder01.news.aol.com> >Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace >[More Headers] > > Both unit in excellent condition. > > Vortex Morphing Modulation effects -200.00 > > Jamman phraze sampler/delay- 200.00 > > > Contact Troy at SOUNDJONES@AOL.COM > >Darcy Clark >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Materials Science and Engineering Department >University of Michigan >Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 >USA >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Room 2130, Dow Building >Phone (313) 764 3377 >Fax (313) 763 4788 >E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ >http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:56:53 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Orb... Message-ID: <346C9EF4.CB1@intcpi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FastKim Flint wrote: > > Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall > actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his > name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? > > kim > > At 01:24 AM 11/8/97 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: > >Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, > > > >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast > >forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get > >it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of > >print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here > >and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person > >that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give > >the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check > >it out if you can find it. > > > >Mark. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com I could have sworn that "Fast Forward" was Fripp, Dr. Patterson and a guy from Modeski Martin & Wood. Anyways its a great album. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 12:56:17 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Advice wanted for Novice Looper Message-Id: <9710148795.AA879565081@ccbbn1.dttus.com> >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- I realize that this question has probably been asked several times before, so forgive me, but... Does the Echoplex have an "echo"-type setting that works in a way similar to the JamMan's? I intend to buy one or the other but don't know if I should own both!?! As usual, any advice/experience is appreciated. Paul O. If you have the means to purchase both do it! It would open up a whole world of possibilities. You could use the echo setting on the Jamman and Loop it on the Echoplex, or vice versa. Something I wish the Jamman could do alone. Very useful indeed. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:40:28 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sync (was: Frisell live) Message-ID: <346DA64C.5DEB@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Grob wrote: > > Miguel said > > That's it. > > Lets get rid of the sync paranoia. > > Long life for the freestyle looping aproach. > > I know its not meant very seriously, but nevertheless I feel like saying: > > Syncing is a very natural, human, probably even ethic thing. We are > learning about it on all levels, from daily live rhithms to human relations > to globalization - nothing to get paranoid, but not to get rid of either, > something to learn, through watches, pulses, phone calls, telepathic > feelings... > > Ok, if the moon month was syncronized to the earth year, the chines > calender would match the western... we are not all that powerfull and have > to be able to live with or even love chaos, too... > So each one works at a different front. > > Matthias >human was the music, >natural was the static... _John Updike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:45:55 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Message-Id: <199711151445.JAA22323@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Jamman afficionados: Got my box . . . finally got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier boxes with. you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I don't want to do this) in every dream home, a heartache Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:09:50 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Message-ID: <346DC94E.6578@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > Hey Jamman afficionados: > > Got my box . . . finally > > got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade > > started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, > tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier > boxes with. > > you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the > latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > > any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I > don't want to do this) > > in every dream home, a heartache > > Tom > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.ne If the screw heads are well exposed, try locking plyers(ie. vice grips). The come in assorted sizes for asorted applications. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Twayn Williams To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Message-ID: <19971115173234.20114.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 93 ---Tom Lambrecht wrote: > you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the > latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > > any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I > don't want to do this) Fraid to say this, but you might want to take it to an electronics repair place, just so's they can get the screws out for you. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:36:33 -0400 From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck >Hey Jamman afficionados: > >Got my box . . . finally > >got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade > >started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, >tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier >boxes with. > >you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I >don't want to do this) > >in every dream home, a heartache > >Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:16:18 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971115201618.1c6f0480@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) >This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones actually _did_ use Phillips screws. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 11:19:56 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAMMAN Upgrades? Message-Id: <9710148795.AA879559624@ccbbn1.dttus.com> I was looking through the list archives and ran across messages from earlier in the year about upgrades that were being considered for the Jamman. Did this ever happen? What is available? How much? etc. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:24:40 -0500 From: klaw@iglou.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jon Hassell and other looping in London Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Speaking of Jon Hassel David& anyone else have you heard Re -Entry by Techno Animal? His contributions on 2 pieces are distinct elevating factors in the music which is sort of a heavy electronic trance dub> hard to catergorize.This is one of the most innovative recordings of the past ten years IMHO . I had the pleasure of talking to Justin Broadrick (Half of TA) last year at a Godflesh show and he said they sent Jon a dat with the backing tracks on it and he added his bits>> I was amazed >>the trumpet is so seamlessly a part of the music its hard to imagine without it.On looping have you heard Dave Draper aka the Invisible String Quartet ? I have a cd on Slam called Entomic that is just phenomenal>>live to dat recording makes great use of minimal fx & prepared guitar.Totally unknown in the US evidently but well worth the import price . Cheers K Law ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:25:52 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Message-Id: <199711152325.SAA16136@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:16 PM 11/15/97, you wrote: >>>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >>This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >>things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >>clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >>them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck > >Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. >The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. >They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can >locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. >NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones >actually _did_ use Phillips screws. > >Michael > > > > thanks everyone, for your concern. Yeah, I forgot yhe name of those damn goofy screws that have the little arrow and look just like Phillips . . . to paraphrase Indiana Jones, why did it have to be posidrive? Tom "the toolman" Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:27:34 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JAMMAN Upgrades? Message-Id: <199711152327.SAA16592@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:19 AM 11/12/97 CST, you wrote: > I was looking through the list archives and ran across messages from > earlier in the year about upgrades that were being considered for the > Jamman. Did this ever happen? What is available? How much? etc. > > Brian > > > > I was curious about that myself especially now that I have one--and I'll bet the Lexicon guy can take care of my screw problem as well ;) Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:01:49 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Message-ID: <346E37ED.1E8A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help! I've just entered into a bidding war for a Vortex...the auction ends in about 40 minutes...HOW HIGH should I bid? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:33:33 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. Message-ID: <346E3F5D.4612@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more advanced. Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort (?)...where was this and how might I track it down? In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:50:19 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: djdowling@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of >the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not >believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more >advanced. >Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort >(?)...where was this and how might I track it down? >In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of >sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit >or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." >Dave Don't you just love music store drones? Not only are they generally ignorant, but they assume they know everything. I spent an afternoon in Portland recently looking for the new Electro-Harmonix Q-tron envelope follower. Not only did no one have it in stock, but several sales drones tried to convince that it didn't exist, I was misinformed, and one even tried to patiently explain to me what an envelope follower really does. I want to get a button to wear to these places that says, "Don't assume I'm stupid". By the way,I believe the Boss SP-202 is the unit you're talking about. It is neither a floor or rack unit, it's more along the lines of the TB 303, kind of a cross between a really big caluclator and a table top synth module. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ --------------------------------