------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 199 Today's Topics: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. [ Steven Dubofsky ] Re: OOPS . . . [ Tom Lambrecht ------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 199 Today's Topics: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. [ Steven Dubofsky < ] Re: OOPS . . . [ Tom Lambrecht < ] Re: Virus Alert [ jeff & mary duke < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: djdowling@earthlink.net Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. Message-ID: < Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have the Winter '98 American Musical Supply catalog and the DOD FX98 8 second delay is in it. I called to order it and sure enough was told there's a two week back order, whatever that means. I went to a local geetar shop and was told he could get it special order it for $98.00. steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Message-Id: <<199711160422.XAA08598@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:16 PM 11/15/97, you wrote: >>>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >>This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >>things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >>clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >>them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck > >Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. >The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. >They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can >locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. >NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones >actually _did_ use Phillips screws. > >Michael > > > > thanks everyone, for your concern. Yeah, I forgot yhe name of those damn goofy screws that have the little arrow and look just like Phillips . . . to paraphrase Indiana Jones, why did it have to be posidrive? Tom "the toolman" Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. Message-Id: <<199711160438.XAA12731@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:50 PM 11/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >>I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of >>the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not >>believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more >>advanced. >>Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort >>(?)...where was this and how might I track it down? >>In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of >>sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit >>or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." >>Dave > >Don't you just love music store drones? Not only are they generally >ignorant, but they assume they know everything. I spent an afternoon in >Portland recently looking for the new Electro-Harmonix Q-tron envelope >follower. Not only did no one have it in stock, but several sales drones >tried to convince that it didn't exist, I was misinformed, and one even >tried to patiently explain to me what an envelope follower really does. I >want to get a button to wear to these places that says, "Don't assume I'm >stupid". > >By the way,I believe the Boss SP-202 is the unit you're talking about. It >is neither a floor or rack unit, it's more along the lines of the TB 303, >kind of a cross between a really big caluclator and a table top synth >module. > >________________________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > >"...there will come a day when you won't have to use >gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in >your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper >type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em >together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em >together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra >________________________________________________________ > > > > > Boy, I don't think specialty retail drones are confined to music stores (i can say that having done my time for 12 years) That Boss Sp 202 is my guess, too. Musician's Friend has it for $329--there was aa thread a short time ago here on looping wth digital samplers. Sovtek/Electro Harmonix is reissuing the MicroSynth and the 16 second delay which will hopefully bring them down to an affordable level. Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:24:23 +0100 From: hovard@online.no To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex Message-Id: <<3.0.32.19971116072422.00685adc@online.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi guys , I`m a novice in the looping-area so my question might be concidered ....well , "novice-like" :) here goes: How much is the "regular" street-price for the Oberheim echoplex??? I live in Norway , so I`m having trouble locating one. Therefore I am forced to turn to the Net and other countries to find one. So my second Q would be: Where can I find one??? Sorry for the hopeless questions , but my URGE to LOOP is driving me!! Torn and Frisell have put a spell on me! ps. I have heard that Frisell isnt using the Electro-harminix 16 sec. anymore , but rather a Digitech device......any info on that rather meaningless( :) ) topic??? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:31:13 -0500 From: klaw@iglou.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAMMAN ALERT Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone looking for ***New*** Jam Man in box? Price $288! - Music Warehouse >>Louisville Ky (502)-456 -4730 . Somebody grab it ! K Law ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:51:07 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Message-ID: < Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 hovard@online.no wrote: > How much is the "regular" street-price for the Oberheim echoplex??? I live in > Norway , so I`m having trouble locating one. Therefore I am forced to turn to > the Net and other countries to find one. US Street price is usually somewhere between $500 and $700. The list price last I checked was about $799. > So my second Q would be: Where > can I find one??? There's a Bay Area dealer called Banana's at Large which seems to be a consistent and reliable outlet for them. Don't know if they do overseas shipping. Other than that I'm not too sure; they should be easier to track down once new units start shipping in the US, which should be very soon. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Lo-Fi StutterinG & Drum n' Bass rolls Message-ID: < Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > Is 'stuttering' the 'd-d-d-d-d-d-d' sound on aggressive drum & bass tracks > you mean (ala Squarepusher, Alec Empire, Plug, etc..)? I've also heard > that referred to as "machine-gunning". I don't know how other people do it > but I've approximated the effect with a Boss RV-3 Digital Reverb/Delay > pedal by setting the regen on the highest setting, the delay time on the > lowest/fastest setting and manually triggering it when an appropriate drum > beat hits. No, the effect you're describing sounds to me like what I would describe as a roll (though "machine-gunning" sounds a lot more cool). Stuttering is pretty prevalent on '80s hip-hop albums; it's basically re-triggering a sample several times before the sample has a chance to play all the way. The Public Enemy tune "Don't Believe The Hype" is the first example that pops into my head, with the Flavor Flav sample "Don't...Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype *bwahahahahahahahaha*" That's stuttering. It's all over the place in a great many '80s rap and techno-pop albums; back when that was one of the most cutting edge things you could do with sample playback, it tended to get used an awful lot. The drum n' bass/jungle "machine gunning" effect is basically what I think of as an electronic emulation (and often exaggeration) of a drum roll. The easiest way to do it (which isn't really all that easy) is to go into a step-time window on a MIDI sequencer, draw several notes of extremmely short duration right next to each other (*very* close -- like a few PPQ's [pulse per quarter-note] together) on a single MIDI note (a snare sample is an obvious choice), then copy this fragment out over the length that you want the roll to happen. One final step is to draw a velocity curve from the beginning of the roll to the end, as in "change velocity smoothly from 1-127" over the length of the roll, if you want the roll to increase or decrease over its duration. It's time-consuming, but fairly easy work to do if your sequencing program can do the above tasks. Once you've got a basic roll happening, you can get a lot of milage out of it by cutting and pasting it into different sections, assigning it to different drum (or non-drum) samples, and changing the duration of the roll. Though I haven't actually experimented with it, it seems to me that using differing spacings between the individual notes that make up a roll should result in different audible pitches, since these sorts of rolls often happen fast enough to generate resonant frequencies. The method you're using sounds like it'll get the job done too, and should even give you some results that you wouldn't obtain using the "normal" approach. It's a fun effect; it's all over that Squarepusher record, and the Aphex Twin "Richard D. James" album is bursting to the seams with it. Also see the latest Mu-Ziq record "Lunatic Harness" for profuse "machine-gunning." > Now what about "timestretching"? This is changing the duration of a sound without altering the pitch. It generally requires some fairly upscale hard-disk processing; I know programs like Pro Tools use it. I haven't worked with timestretching very much (due almost entirely to lack of access to the aforementioned upscale gear), but I would think that a lot of jungle breakbeats tend to be timestretched, since speeding up a sample to typical drum 'n bass tempo ranges simply by playing back a normal sample at a higher pitch often gives the drums too much of a "tinkertoy" type of effect. (Then again, jungle isn't exactly known for its reverence to pristine and natural sound reproduction). I know that on the last David Bowie album, they had drummer Zach Alford tune his snare drum lower than normal so that when they played back samples of his playing at a higher pitch, it wouldn't sound too "tweeked." Goldie's "Timeless" album is apparently a good reference for timestretching, particularly on vocals, but what little of Goldie's music that I've heard didn't really compell me to hear any more of it, so someone else will have to fill in on that. Hope this helps, and sorry for the temporary side-trip into non-loop territory. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan $ Question? Message-ID: <<971116095108_1050016015@mrin46.mail.aol.com> What is the street value of 2nd hand, upgraded JamMans these days? I have a friend who is thinking of selling his and doesn't know what to ask for it. Thanks, Drumworker@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 10:01:07 -0500 From: Phil Diem < To: <, <, < Subject: Virus Alert Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" < >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] >________________________________________________ > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > many people know about it! > > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share > it with anyone that might access the Internet. > > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! > > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is > present in YOUR mailbox! > > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE > to computer networks worldwide!!! > > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! > > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. > > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. > > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be > Careful, > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. > > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! > > Greg Dimond > Informix > Software, Inc. > Global Telecommunications > 703-714-0608 > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:34:58 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex Upgrade...etc. Message-ID: <<346F2EC2.7849@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some Questions- Q: Do brand new Plexes come with the new system in place or is it only available as an Upgrade? Q: If the unit does come with all the new fixings - how do I get one: a) from my local dealer. b)From Oberheim. c)Somewhere else? Q: How much do the new units go for? How much shopping should I do? Q: Can I run my GR-30, with stereo outputs, into the Plex? More later Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:55:49 -0500 From: library < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <<346F4FC5.723@jmu.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4E9B2353247C" My name is Brian Hagan and I would like to subscribe to your mailing list please. haganbr@jmu.edu Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="LoopList.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="LoopList.html" Content-Base: "http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/Lo opList.html" Join the Looper's Delight mailing list! Send mail with "subscribe" in both the subject and the body, and no signature file, to: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To post, the address is <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com [Eventually, I'll have a web form to do this!] Looper's Delight has an active mailing list where all manner of loop topics are discussed daily. 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If you still have a problem, send me mail at: <kflint@annihilist.com <Looper's Delight This page is maintained by Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:46:14 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Message-ID: <<346F5B96.6AB4@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil Diem wrote: > > This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to > be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is > legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! > > >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) > >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" < > >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu > >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] > >________________________________________________ > > > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > > > > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > > many people know about it! > > > > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share > > it with anyone that might access the Internet. > > > > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please > > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet > > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet > > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". > > > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! > > > > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are > > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is > > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the > > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. > > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it > > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is > > present in YOUR mailbox! > > > > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to > > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and > > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps > > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE > > to computer networks worldwide!!! > > > > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as > > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, > > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists > > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! > > > > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. > > > > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. > > > > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of > > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: > > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your > > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any > > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous > > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be > > Careful, > > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. > > > > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! > > > > Greg Dimond > > Informix > > Software, Inc. > > Global Telecommunications > > 703-714-0608 > > > > > >anyone know how to keep my mail from opening a message before i have read the title? I am running netscape 3.0. thanks Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:46:52 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:becoming a small, mobile, intelligent unit Message-ID: <<346F5BBC.2E4E@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sort of skimmed the many responses to a previous inquiry into this matter and thus, benefited only slightly. I'd hate to be responsible for regenerating a dead thread so perhaps I can take responses via personal email. For those who care to read no further, the subject is : playing guitar and guitar synth without conventional amplifiers etc. The equipment that I currently use is not right for the type of playing that I want to do, so I'm starting to switch over to different gear. Disclaimer: I am not a "gear head." This is why I seek help. Desired outcomes: to play guitar with multiple effects, looping capability and guitar synth without 500 pedals and 8 speakers and an amp. What it seems that I need: A cool effect processor (with excellent distortion, etc.) Some kind of SansAmp device (does such a device make a separate distortion unnecessary?) Speakers that are guitar and guit synth friendly Echoplex (or jman etc) Gr-30 (this I have) What is a hypothetical set up for my needs? What does the signal path look like? How do I become (as Fripp would have it) a small, mobile and intelligent unit? (I understand that only I can account for intelligence...but you can help me to be informed.) Anyone who would be kind enough to become my virtual technician in light of my ignorance, please respond. Many thanks. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:25:30 -0000 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe < To: Looper's Delight <, Electronica < Subject: Sick Vortex. Message-ID: <<01bcf2cd$c86040e0$LocalHost@amudarya> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey people... My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary encoder that selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become intermittent, and will only choose certain preset numbers. I can still choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, but that doesn't let me choose preset effects, only the user registers. Any ideas what the problem is? Figure it's a mechanical issue with the encoder, so how easy is it to replace? Does anyone have contact information for Lexicon in the UK? Waaah, I miss my Vortex... ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <<= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ --------------------------------