------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: Starting again [ Olivier Malhomme ] Re: Another new member(we ain't dead [ "Hogan, Greg" ] RE: Vortex and PCM80 [ "Hogan, Greg" ] Harmonics... [ Olivier Malhomme ] Re: Magic: Finding that voice [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ] wanna plex; gotta plex [ MiqSk8@aol.com ] music just for musicians? [ angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu (Emmanu ] Re: beyond:what, or whom? re-sent: f [ Ray Peck ] Re: RE: Vortex and PCM80 [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Introduction to the loop groop [ pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) ] Sampler as Looper [ "A.S.P." ] Re: RE: Vortex and PCM80 [ "Hogan, Greg" ] Re: Introduction to the loop groop [ Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Starting again Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Paolo said "X, Y, and Z had pretty much said everything I ever wanted to say on guitar so I stopped playing the guitar. I haven't played it seriously in almost a year now. I mostly played Chapman Stick. Most recently I bought a little drum made in Pakistan, a pair of drumsticks, and have begun practicing some of the 26 standard drum rudiments. At present, I feel like I am on an extended vacation from the guitar. Playing the Stick reminded me of my childhood piano playing experience" Ohhh, but it is your duty to find a way. This is a problem you'll meet again on the Stick, but just later. There a comfortable situation in learning. Since you LEARN things quite basic you don't master, you don't have to work too much on the voice. All the things to do come in a good part from "upstairs" and you don't have too much to invent it. It has been tested and done before, you what you are practicing when you start anew does not require to much mind work and involvement. I think. That's clear that finding this "voice" is as secure as walking a slippery wodd plank with sharks waiting for you under. It is also clear that most of us will never succeed. It is also clear that we will quite all try anyway, as long as possible. That is a kind of grail to me (with this human kwoledge I alked about a few post before). It may be a reason among others of course that make some of us pursue multi intrumentalism. It has also the ablity to distract you from what was before a main axe to "master". As far as psychology is concerned, I think the "beginner status" is more comfortable. You see and seek magic, and you figure, just learn it and work. The more I'll work, the more I'll know, and I'll be a magician myself. Then years later, it looks sometime like crookery. I worked, and again. Am I a magician? not yet. It's been years now, I'm not sure I will ever be. The skills were the easy part. But I'll never stop. Ever. Olivier malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:54:03 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: switching loops a,b,c, in echoplex How? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:08 PM 1/29/97, KemMc@aol.com wrote: >Matthias, >thanks, but Kim wrote me back and made it very clear, what to do , >with the loops A,b,c .I tried it last night and it worked great. hmmmmm. I intended to reply to this by posting to the list, but somehow only sent it directly to Kem. The dangers of assuming what's in that darned reply-to field.... So I figure the answer's probably interesting for other folks, so here ya go: >Hi. Folks >Ive Got an echoplex dig. pro with 16 meg of ram in it. and have been >writing killer loops with multi,layers of drums ,guitar,bass & >effects. Now I need to do multi.layer loops, a,b,and c of a tune. then >be able to change to a,b or c after there written, on the fly and lay >the parts to tape. Is this possible? I think so, assuming I understand what you are trying to do. A couple things to consider trying to decipher in the manual, and experimenting with yourself: SwitchQuant, which lets you jump to another loop precisely when the current one finishes. SamplerStyle and Midi, which makes switching loops way easier and much more powerful. I guess what you want to do is this: - Set MoreLoops to 3 so that you have three loops ready to go. - Create your loop in loop 1. Go nuts. - hit NextLoop to get to loop #2 - Create the loop 2 loop. - hit next again to get to loop #3 - create your third loop movement in loop 3 - If SwitchQuant is off, each press of Next sends you to the next loop immediately. You arrive in that loop wherever it was when you left it. - If SwitchQuant is on, you press Next and it waits til the loop finishes before jumping to the next one. - During that waiting period you can keep hitting next, so that when the end of the loop comes you jump to whatever loop you like. - If you use a midi keyboard or some other midi controller, you can select the loop that plays by hitting a key. SamplerStyle lets you choose if the loops start at the beginning and play once, keep running, or only play while the key is held down. You can use velocity sensitivity to control the loop volume this way, too. SwitchQuant can be used here to. - So figure out the sequence you want to play the loops in, and how you are going to jump from one to the other. Roll the tape, and go! >If so, a step by step >explanation would be greatly appreciated. Hope that helped. Ask questions if you need to. >Boy It would be nice if >oberheim would put a SCSI port on the back of the echoplex to save and >load loop samples to a hard drive. That would be really useful >in live performance. Oberheim's extensive, highly-trained engineering staff is undoubtedly working feverishly on this and other extraordinary advances right now! It's due to appear on the market sometime in the first or second quarter after hell freezes over... jeez. what the heck is the matter with me tonight? You're right, scsi would be a great addition. A bit unrealistically expensive around the time the echoplex was designed. Maybe one of us will do something like that some day..... >Thanks for the input >KemMc@aol.com sure, no prob. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:54:06 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New members Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:01 PM 1/29/97, neato@pipeline.com wrote: >kflint@annihilist.com wrote: > The best week for the web site was the second >>week of January, with 1101 pages downloaded. (that number seems more useful >>than total hits, which includes graphics, error messages, etc.) > >neato says: >of course...that was when you posted a reply to the ambient newsgroup >regarding a question about looping...that's when i found out about this >list, as well as countless others i'm sure...perhaps a few more posts along >those lines will show just how many people interested in looping are really >out here I posted to the ambient list? Didn't even know it. Must have been another darned reply-to or reply-to-all mishap. Anyway, great! If any of you know of any other little cache of loopers out there, feel free to invite them to the party. And remember, diversity is a good thing so don't be afraid to look in far away places. (Oh, sometimes they're easy to miss, because they tend to be a bit quiet out there when they feel all alone. Soon as they find this place, it all comes pouring out!) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:09:51 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Vortex link Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >John Ott sez, > >> There is a Vortex page at: >> http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/Vortex-spec.html > >whoa! just checked out this site - it's full of goodies, and we should set >up several links to it! >why not make use of all of those valuable infos available on the net! Kim? The jamman page on Looper's Delight (which is just waiting for a patron saint, by the way), has a link there. If we had a vortex page, I would have put in the harmony central link there too. Not being a vortex user, my motivation for using my miniscule amount of free time to create such a page has been low. I'm certain, however, that one of the myriad of vortex enthusiasts here will soon take a break from morphing bleen into fractal just long enough to dish out something for us.....right? > >There are pages dedicated to the Boomerang, the Jamman, and lots of other >interesting boxes, including even some info about the Echoplex ... > >http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Oberheim/Echoplex-01.html yeah that's the one with the error about how memory upgrades cause thermal problems, which I've had to explain a few hundred times! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:16:25 GMT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Starting again Message-Id: <29059.199701301016@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Olivier: >As far as psychology is concerned, I think the "beginner status" is more >comfortable. You see and seek magic, and you figure, just learn it and >work. The more I'll work, the more I'll know, and I'll be a magician >myself. Then years later, it looks sometime like crookery. I worked, and >again. Am I a magician? not yet. It's been years now, I'm not sure I will >ever be. The skills were the easy part. But I'll never stop. Ever. Damn, that's eloquent. Ditto from me. Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:05:39 +0000 From: Fish To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970130140430.00c5593c@mail.ndirect.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, I think I'm going to have to get one of these gizmos. They're much cheaper in the US (less than 1/2 the price of the UK) so I'll try and get one shipped over. Can anyone tell me what kind of PSU they use? Is it direct mains or a wall wart? BTW, has anyone tried MIDI-fying it? My BassStation has a CV out so I figure maybe I can use that to drive the pedal input... I'll let you know whether it explodes once I've tried it. Thanks - fish@ndirect.co.uk Free multisampled analogues @ http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~fish ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:18:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Another new member(we ain't dead yet Message-Id: <9701301429.AA20010@beryllium.lexicon.com> In reply to me saying: ">It seems that we were unable to generate a lot of interest in these products >until after we stopped manufacturing them." neato says: "why so final???seems like a bigger better mousetrap (looper) may be just what's needed! seems kind of strange to backout on the eve of what seems to be the revolution...back to the drawing board boys cheers all my mistakes were once acts of genius" Well I would not give up hope. The MPX1 does incorporate a looper, perhaps not the looper everyone is looking for but it shows a sign of us "big boys" not abandoning the concept. The MPX1 also incorporates a number of the Vortex algorithms and even more control over morphing. If you people want to see all of the manufacturers run and create loopers I will tell you what it will take: Not the esoteric kinds of things that we all love to create and listen to because we know what is good, but something that the great unwashed masses can enjoy as well. I hate to say it, but there are not many artists who are musicians-musicians as well as pop stars. Just look at how many different kinds of distortion pedals have become available since the explosion of bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam! Best regards, ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:50:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Vortex and PCM80 Message-Id: <9701301500.AA20104@beryllium.lexicon.com> fish asked about the Vortex: Can anyone tell me what kind of PSU they use? Is it direct mains or a wall wart? BTW, has anyone tried MIDI-fying it? The Vortex uses a wall wart with 9VAC@1amp output. I am not aware of any attempts to MIDIfy one. David Coffin asked me to post a few things about the PCM80 that would be of interest to the list so here is a teaser: Out of the box the PCM80 has 6 voices of Delays of up to 2.73 seconds long. By upgrading with SIMMs modules(not sold by Lexicon) each of these voices can be up to 43.69 seconds long. You have control over each voices level, HF cutoff, feedback and panning and modulation(there are 7 different internal modulation controls which you can assign.) There is also a Master control for Level, HF cutoff, feedback and panning of all the voices simultaneously. There are a myriad of ways that any parameter within this machine can be controlled in real time All of this with the addition of reverb which the delays can run either before, after or through. Any questions? Let me know. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:08:44 +0100 (MET) From: Olivier Malhomme To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Harmonics... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to answer late again... Someone said "Not really... I was hoping for something more along the lines of waveform transformation... speaking of which, has anyone tried using a pitch-shifter to vary the waveform by adding low-level, octave-up "harmonics"?" I used two pitch hifter set on 5th or octave running one into echa other (serial) with feedback. I turned my guitar into an B3. (well, quite, almost, near). Funny sound, because it looks like an organ, but, it is clearly not... Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:43:35 -0500 From: cwb@platinum.com (Clark) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex CC pedal Message-Id: <199701301543.KAA02384@octopus.ab.platinum.com> I know this has been asked before but i dont remember the answer. Which continuous controller pedals work well with the vortex straight out of the box (that is, without having to modifify the pedal)? ThanQ Clark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:51:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Vortex CC pedal Message-Id: <9701301601.AA20346@beryllium.lexicon.com> Clark asked: "Which continuous controller pedals work well with the vortex straight out of the box (that is, without having to modifify the pedal)?" I use a Roland EV5. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 97 09:01:07 EST From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Magic: Finding that voice Message-ID: <970130140106_74074.1316_GHQ93-1@CompuServe.COM> Thanks Olivier for your eloquent thoughts re: Finding the Magic. It's the constant search that keeps most of us going. And it reminds me of the disturbing arguments I had in my recent past. Back in the dim dark daze of my Lexicon past, I remember having extended arguments with certain peoples there who insisted that the bulk of the "musicians" out there--i.e. potential buying market-- have abosultely no interest in finding a unique voice, and creating new and innovative musics. The certain peoples at Lexland insisted that, indeed, all these "musicians" were seeking was "getting laid". They have no interest in something new, they only want to copy what sold. So, thank you to all who've been sharing with us your secrets of creative magic--I'm thoroughly gratified to encounter so many forward-thinking musicians. May you all find what you're seeking. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:47:11 -0500 (EST) From: MiqSk8@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: wanna plex; gotta plex Message-ID: <970130114407_506381433@emout06.mail.aol.com> i know that this is definitely the WRONG place to ask, but knowing minds will know. i want a plex. with the foot pedal. memory expansion optional. current budget forbids me buying a new one, so i'm looking at used. i've posted at harmony central as well. i'll be posting to some usenet groups as well. any ideas or hot tips would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 11:17:20 EST From: angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu (Emmanuel Angel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: music just for musicians? Message-Id: <9701301617.AA09054@matisse.pet.upenn.edu.noname> I'd like to comment on an issue that Greg raises: >If you people want to see all of the manufacturers run and create loopers I >will tell you what it will take: Not the esoteric kinds of things that we >all love to create and listen to because we know what is good, but something >that the great unwashed masses can enjoy as well. I hate to say it, but >there are not many artists who are musicians-musicians as well as pop stars. Most of us, perhaps all of us, know this to be all too true. Great creativity and popular acclaim are not mutually exclusive, but set overlap seems to be quite small. I posit that, despite fantastic technological advances, we live in an era of mediocrity and sameness, perhaps even shallowness. I think there is a great hunger for depth and quality, but I think the pace of late 20th century life makes the search for meaning very costly, perhaps even frivolous. Very often there is not enough time to search beyond the obvious cookie-cutter solutions, so we grab for the salient stimuli that are easily within our grasp. Life seems to work if only we can keep up with the maddening pace of progress, if only we can swim with the pack. Very often this can feel like a no win game. In the face of enormous challenges and enormous potential, the lowest common denominators often rise to the top. >Just look at how many different kinds of distortion pedals have become >available since the explosion of bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam! I know about this phenomenon, having a 12 year old son who pounds this stuff out on his white stratocatser, exclusively. While respecting his individuality and accepting his taste as his own, it is hard not to wish more for him. I'm thrilled to have a kid who has developed a passion for the guitar on his own. But I am saddened when hype outpaces substance and image all but eclipses talent. And I am angered by the huge market which is created and nurtured by large industry: industry without conscience, which is responsible for the mass production of dreck. Although we speak here about music and the almost magical technology that becomes our artist's palette, I cannot help but to be drawn to the bigger picture of the times in which we create. Is it historical "business as usual" that substance gives way to fashion? The 60's did not feel that way to me, but no doubt I am myopic and biased by my own experience. I feel that the US, and perhaps much of the world, has become more conservative since those times. I'd like to hear the thoughts of others. Do we just detach ourselves from the mainstream, and just do what we do? Perhaps this is best. Or do we have a *responsibility* to do more. Some years ago, I studied with a very talented jazz guitarist and soulful human being, Ted Dunbar, at Rutgers University. He used to say that "music will save the world". And he was never speaking figuratively. What do you think? Mickey ____________________________________________________________________________ Emmanuel Angel Nuclear Medicine Physics and Instrumentation Group University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA 19104 angel@matisse.pet.upenn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:18:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beyond:what, or whom? re-sent: faulty slip.net Message-Id: <199701301818.KAA10300@pure.PureAtria.COM> James Reynolds writes: >of course, the nature of college radio is that the music is either sublime >or or a crime against humanity, but the sublime stuff makes it worth it... Mind if I quote this? I like it a *lot*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:30:09 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: Vortex and PCM80 Message-ID: <970130135304_1379685035@emout05.mail.aol.com> <<.... here is a teaser: Out of the box the PCM80 has 6 voices of Delays of up to 2.73 seconds long. By upgrading with SIMMs modules(not sold by Lexicon) each of these voices can be up to 43.69 seconds long.... >> WOW...so how does stereo figure in? (and thanks for the glimpse!) dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:24:48 From: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Introduction to the loop groop Message-ID: <785@mainstring.win.net> My name is Pat Kirtley. I stumbled onto the Looperís Delight web site quite by accident, while I was researching information for an article I was writing about the history and development of echo delay devices. I guess it was fate that I would finally land there and meet you guys. I had the pleasure of meeting Kim F. and Ted Killian at the NAMM show a few weeks ago and discussing electronic audio ideas over lunch. My hat is off to Kim Flint for having the spark and vision to put up the web page. If not for Looperís Delight, I would never have realized the existence of this small but global community of like-minded musical thinkers and tinkerers. In reading through the material at Looperís Delight, I was struck with a surprising realization-- I am a looper too, and I have been one since childhood. So, by way of introduction, I will relate the things about myself that will be relevant to the topics discussed here. In my current life, I am a musician. My primary instrument is acoustic guitar. I live in Kentucky. I am the 1995 National Fingerstyle Guitar champion, and I travel internationally doing in-store clinics and demonstrations for Taylor Guitars, and I do concerts. I also have a recording career, with several albums, and I worked for 12 years as a recording studio engineer. Currently, I am busy with touring, producing videos, and recording projects. Occasionally I write articles for some of the guitar mags. Throughout my life I have been fascinated by audio gizmos, gadgets, and concepts, but I am most fascinated by music itself. None of my released recordings feature anything like looping, but the first thing that I ever recorded (and saved a copy of), in 1966, was a set of compositions based on interactions with a tape delay. My main interest in looping at the present is entirely from a creative and philosophical (?!) viewpoint. I donít know if I am inclined at all to use looping techniques to create "a musical product", but I might someday. Right now itís just fun to play with, and rewards me with many useful musical ideas. I am fascinated with the idea of recursiveness in general, as expounded in the books by Douglas Hofstadter, including "Godel, Escher, and Bach", which I believe should be on the reading shelf of every (philosophical)looper. And I believe that "chaos" is the future of the universe. :) My musical heroes and influences are a varied bunch, and somewhat different than a lot of the folks in the looper community. --Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, Les Paul, Doc Watson, Bach, John Cage, Harry Partch, Wendy Carlos, Jimi Hendrix, Bernard Herrmann, Dave Brubeck, Frank Zappa, Varese, David Crosby, Dvorak, Wes Montgomery, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Dmitri Shastokovitch, Stravinsky, Keith Jarrett-- and others, but Iíll stop there. Of the contemporary guitar-based jazz and experimental loop music makers, I must confess that I have heard nothing whatsoever of their music. So I probably represent some of the other-direction cross-pollination Kim talked about hoping to see among the loopers. Iíve never heard any of the music of Robert Fripp, but I have read some of his writings, and he has some important things to say to musicians. In terms of where my musical parameters lie, suffice to say that I find joy in a great melody, and also I find music in noise. My ever-changing gizmo setup includes a Godin Multiac synth-driver guitar, Roland GR-9, Mackie mixer, Lexicon Jamman, Lexicon Vortex, Alesis and Lexicon reverbs, computer based audio editor, various digital recorders, and REAL tape recorders, which I will never give up. I have gone through many generations of synthesizers, starting with the Minimoog, Buchla, and Arp 2600, and now I have NONE, save for the little GR9. (Guitar strings are the ultimate tone generator!) I look forward to submitting some articles to the looperís web site when time permits, including a look at some pop-music based looping examples by Chet Atkins, Les Paul, Pierre Bensusan (a monster looper), Andreas Vollenweider, Tim Weissberg, Jon Klemmer, etc., as well as some articles about loop devices and concepts in general. Bye now, itís good to meet you folks, and carry on loopers! Pat Kirtley web: www.win.net/mainstring ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:42:11 -0800 (PST) From: "A.S.P." To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Sampler as Looper Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One question I have is: Are there any samplers that will work as real time loopers? To me it seems to be a perfect approach - you've got stereo analog to digital conversion, you've got expandable RAM, storage, multiple outs, plus you can use standard MIDI events to trigger/sequence stuff. There were some updates to the later Ensoniq samplers that gave you new effects - wouldn't it be possible to turn an ASR10 into a real time looper? Romeo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:52:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: RE: Vortex and PCM80 Message-Id: <9701302002.AA21344@beryllium.lexicon.com> In response to my saying: "<<.... here is a teaser: Out of the box the PCM80 has 6 voices of Delays of up to 2.73 seconds long. By upgrading with SIMMs modules(not sold by Lexicon) each of these voices can be up to 43.69 seconds long.... >>" dp asked: "WOW...so how does stereo figure in?" Each voice has it's own pan parameter with 101 increments from 50L being hard left through center until you get to 50R being hard right. There is also a Master pan which controls the panning of all of the voices simultaneously. Any of these parameters can be controlled in glorious real time via a number of different controllers(any MIDI continuous controller or any of the PCM80s internal modulators). Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:57:01 -0800 From: Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Introduction to the loop groop Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970130115659.00c25208@pure.pureatria.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Eternal Golden Braid - yes, the philosophical loopers reading material. Sean Pat Kirtley wrote: >musical ideas. I am fascinated with the idea of recursiveness in general, >as expounded in the books by Douglas Hofstadter, including "Godel, Escher, >and Bach", which I believe should be on the reading shelf of every >(philosophical)looper. And I believe that "chaos" is the future of the > --------------------------------