------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 205 Today's Topics: Re: On being complete nerds [ Robert Tichacek ] RE: OOPS [ Laurie Hatch ] RE: On being complete nerds [ Grover Sheffield ] Re: On being complete nerds [ PJBMHB@aol.com ] Re: On being complete nerds [ buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barre ] andy summers show... [ andre ] Unidentified subject! [ Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com ] Re: On being complete nerds [ Kim Flint ] re: nerds [ Kim Flint ] Re: On being complete nerds [ Stew Benedict ] Nerds [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] Re:Jam update [ malhomme ] good ole delay needed [ Joshua Fried ] Nerd Herd [ "Siobhan Canty" ] AW: Top ten list [ Haible Juergen ] Re: On being complete nerds [ Sean Echevarria ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:37:35 -0500 From: Robert Tichacek To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >once again, Looper's Delight is pushing the geek-o-meter way into the red. >Now I certainly deserve some of the blame, but even I reach my limits with >endless babbling about this and that feature about whatever the latest >gadget is. Now I know you're all capable of much more enlightened >conversation, so let's have it! An excuse to delurk. Dammit, I'm not a geek. I just spend hours with my computer, work for an insurance company, fiddle with gear, keep up to date with the latest _GP_ and Harmony Central reviews...oh crap. > >1. How about this: What are the approaches you take improvisationally / >compositionally in creating and building a loop? Is there a structure to it >all? And leave the gear specifics out! Well, first on my situation - I'm using guitar as the looping instument, but I have no idea how to play it yet. I have some guitars for years, but I just kind of bashed on them and made noise, so recently I went out and bought my first nice guitar and am attempting to learn the damn thing. Actually know 15 chords now, and sometimes don't even have to look at the strings... Anyway, I generally either go for the serious contrast in texture, rhythm, whatever - recording an ultradistorted loop and then playing (ha) clean over the top, or playing in a different rhythm/time whatever - or go for a more static approach. This latter would be looping a short bit of chord fragment+open string drone, then playing similar bits over the top that change slightly, say by just sliding the fragment up or down while letting the open strings drone on a la "I Can See For Miles". Effectively three layers of information, plus more if I vary strum speed, phrase length etc. as compared to the loop. And of course the subtle interaction between the loop open strings and the live ones. >2. Top 10 lists are lame, I know. But I am really fascinated by the way >this list brings together people with quite different musical backgrounds >and styles. We're using similar techniques to create totally different What I have lying around in front of me: Flying Saucer Attack - Further Miles Davis - Dark Magus Dissolve - Third Album For the Sun The Who Sell Out V/A - Beyond the Calico Wall (60's garage/psych) V/A - Pebbles vol.3 (ditto) Lilys - Eccsame the Photon Band Wire - 154 John Coltrane - Crescent Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time Third Bardo - Lose Your Mind Amp - Perception Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst V/A - Incursions in Illbient (SubDub, DJ Spooky, Byzar, We) Roy Montgomery - Two Trajectories Count Five - Psychotic Reaction Art Ensemble o'Chicago - Nice Guys Popol Vuh - Aguirre Can - Ege Bamyasi Pink Floyd - Piper At the Gates of Dawn The Creation - Creation By Creation For Creation So much music on my desk I balance my keyboard on my lap Robert T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:20:20 -0800 From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: What fun... Message-ID: <01BCF45F.76A00400.lahatch@dnai.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paris! Wow, a wonderful opportunity. Romantic, too -- nice place to be with your sweetie for an anniversary. Seventeen years! Congratulations. Hope you guys have a delightful time. I'll bet it will inspire your music as well. I find whenever I do something outrageous and wonderful, all the pieces of my life benefit. And a new job? Where, what? Thanks for your good wishes. We're fine, busy, life as usual. Trying to negotiate Thanksgiving options with a far flung family - takes a bit of doing to work out the schedule. Not exactly the situation for the Pilgrims! I have a confession to make. I bought another toy. A Vortex! It is a cool little box - I of course was heavily swayed by the Looper's rabid endorsement of the thing. Found one sitting in the back of a sleepy little music store in Santa Cruz. It was new...don't know how long they've been out of production, but it had obviously been sitting there a while. I paid a little more than I should have for it, but the moment seemed right - it's got a warranty, manual, pedal, the works. Now I have to figure out how to put all my gear together! Need to find a little mixer. The money flows out way too easily on this stuff. Glad to hear from you. Hope you and yours have a lovely TG, and the two of you a marvelous trip. (Bet you'll find some cool earrings for Joan in Paris!) Keep in touch, Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:31:25 -0800 From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OOPS Message-ID: <01BCF460.FF284C00.lahatch@dnai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So sorry, previous post intended as personal mail to another Looper. Got my addresses mixed up. Argghhhhh. Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:38:18 -0600 From: Grover Sheffield To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: On being complete nerds Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971119043818.00680234@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Arrghh!! Sorry for sending a message meant for private post to loopers-delight. I'm embarrassed. HOWEVER: I've found and pasted below a classified ad I saw for a Lexicon Vortex from Harmony Central. Hope someone here gets it! Don't e-mail me!! Grover Lexicon Vortex morphing effects processor Mint condition. box, manual, adaptor, footswitch. $150 + shipping Seller: Robert Verberkmoes, 608-255-0362 E-mail: rverberk@students.wisc.edu Location: MADISON, WI Post Date: 11/18/97 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:48:29 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-ID: <01bcf4a6$6195ffa0$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Dissolve - Third Album For the Sun How's this? >Roy Montgomery - Two Trajectories What's up with this? When did it come out, who put it out, etc? -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:56:39 -0800 From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-ID: <01bcf4a7$8582f840$13da80d0@toaster.431.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my current top 10, no particular order.. 1. DJ Krush - Strictly Turntablized 2. Underworld - dubnobasswithmyheadman 3. Marvin Gaye - Trouble Man (soundtrack) 4. Meat Beat Manifesto - Subliminal Sandwich 5. DJ Spooky - Songs of a Dead Dreamer 6. Fugees - The Score 7. Dr. Octagon - Instrumentalyst 8. Scorn - Zander 9. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle 10. Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet - Savvy Show Stoppers 11. Digable Planets - Blowout Comb 12. Oliveros/Dempster/Panaiotis - Deep Listening ok, top 12, whatever.. james ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:54:57 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-ID: <971118235457_1536981325@mrin40.mail.aol.com> i, for one, am not a geek. i am a cool guy. just ask me!!! =-0 PJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:22:12 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-Id: <199711190522.AA12926@world.std.com> I'm currently very explicity _not_ recording any of my current looping efforts, in an effort to free me to restart loops while I explore certain aspects of things... this is a little sad when I get something good (capturing the loop after the fact isn't that intereting to me because it's the evolution that I find exciting). Lately I've been focussing on two things: putting effects before the loop vs. after the loop, and making "sound fx" with the guitar. For the latter, this mostly involves pick-against-string noises or very quick volume pedal decays of other sounds. These sounds would not be very interesting by themselves, but looped they can become much denser and interesting. For the former, the thing I've been noticing is how with some effects, the effect before the loop is "destructive" and the effect after the loop is "constructive", in the following sense (I'm borrowing the terms literally from wave theory): if you take a very dramatic effect like a tremolo, and run the loop through it, you get an effect like the looper was a keyboard--a polyphonic instrument being run through an effect... all the notes get louder and quieter at the same time, so it feels much more like a single instrument. Whereas, if you put the effect before the loop, then two notes coming out of the looper have already been tremolo'd, and they're not in sync, so one is getting louder as the other is getting softer... this sounds much more like a delay, or a multi-track... Both of these effects are useful... frequent recent listens in no particular order: Portishead _Dummy_ Lisa Germano _Happiness_ and _Excerpts from a Love Circus_ The Smiths _Meat is Murder_ and _The Smiths_ King Crimson _Beat_ (just transcribed most of _Neil and Jack and Me_) Sarah McLachlan _Touch_ and _Fumbling towards Ecstasy_ Therapy _Troublegum_ Marillion _Misplaced Childhood_ and a few recent loopist purchases (Fripp, Torn, Durant) Sean Barrett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:41:50 -0500 (EST) From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: andy summers show... Message-Id: <199711190541.AAA25253@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hey all-- just a tip...(positive) if ANDY Summers is coming to your town on his short (20-25 date) tour of US east & west coasts - do go see him - i just saw the (moderately attended) wetlands NYC show - first of the tour, and it rocked - or actually, it jazzed - Andy's playing a ton of standards, and standards-ish material - his new CD with Tony Levin, Gregg Bissonette is awesome, if you like jazz guitar with balls and modern tones.... the cd also features on one cut, Bernie Dresel(dr) and Jerry Watts (bs) who are his fine touring band.... He played a red gibson 335 - thru a stereo mes simulclass amp, with 2 mesa 2X 10 or 2X12s - processing seemed to be eventide harmonizer, a litle marshall (guvnor???) distort/pedal, maybe a lex pcm 90.... on his set list i saw stuff like Naima, Oleo, they did Afro Blue, a coupla Wayne Shorter tunes..... great set!! Andy is such an unsung hero - and of course a looping pioneer - from way back in the late 60s - he's on some classic shit - Eberhard Schoener, Dantalion's Chariot, i think even Soft Machine... not to mention several loopy albums after the police, incl. the masterpiece twin discs with Mr Fripp... So - support the dude.... buy the CD, tell your friends, go to the show - this sucks, but he's almost a secret, yet he was in arguably the biggest media phenom of an (excellent , innovative) band since the beatles... check out www.andysummers.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 16:37:00 EST From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Message-Id: <9710188798.AA879899517@mail.amsinc.com> rANDOM 10 LIST Shizuo vs Shizor - experimental H.C. sample/loop/jungle aggro-noise, but lo-fi fer sure Pizzicato 5 - Happy End of the World, also 'combinaison spaciale' (remixes) - blended pop casserole John Zorn - Cynical Hysterie Hour - jump cut cartoon soundtracks from Japan- very cute and bubbly, cool banjo by Frisell(?) Squarepusher - Burningn 'n Tree - reissue and some new tracks - fastest and most complex drum n bass stuff I've heard - yet chix dig it! Lee Konitz - Solo alto sax improvisations in Japan, 1986 Jon Rose and Otomo Yoshihide - Tatakiuri - conceptual shopping trip imagined through violin and sampler/turntables Ennio Morricone (some old tape from a friend, classic westerns) Spellbound - The Classic Film Scores of Miklos Rosza (Thief of Baghdad, etc..) Evan Parker and Ned Rothenberg - Monkey Puzzle - circular breath reed duos Evan Parker and Lawrence Casserly - soprano sax remanipulated through "signal processing device" to the point of obscurity ed chang ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:39:03 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave said: >Kim mentioned: >> >>Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst > >if you like this, check out "The Instrumentalyst" instrumental remixes from >the above CD. Dan Nakamura, AKA the Automator, is one of the most >interesting hip hop producers today. > Is the Instrumentalyst album remixes? or the same stuff as the album without the raps? For those of you not familiar with the Dr. Octagon album, it's frequently been labeled as one of the best hip-hop albums of all time. I'm not really qualified to judge that, but I haven't been able to get it out of my head since I bought it. (that doesn't happen often these days...) Dan Nakamura's tracks are great. Mixed with q-bert's scratching, a bit of dj shadow, and the completely insane porno/sci-fi rapping of Kool Keith, and you got some sort of hip-hop masterpiece. highly recommended. Especially for the easily offended, as this will set a new standard for things to be offended about....;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:00:36 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: nerds Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:49 PM +0100 11/18/97, hovard@online.no wrote: > > >Thanks for the blunt and honest comment (geek/gear etc.)!!!! >I have felt the same way but was too chicken to speak up :) !!! I have to do this about once a month or so. The geeks start to run amok, so you gotta thin out the herd a little. When you see things get too techy, feel free to propose some provocative question to break everyone out. We'll all be so relieved that it's not another broken knob post that we'll all rush to put out our thoughts on whatever it is. Sometimes you can actually feel the sigh of relief....:-) >Anyway , I have taken up this space because I feel this is stuff that is >more valuable to us as MUSICIANS , as well as guitarists. I hope we can get >more discussions on this subject , and thank you Kim , for pionting out >that the emperor is almost completely nude ( and not very sexy)......chew >on that , guys!! > >Your looper in Norway , Thomas Woehni That's exactly it. There's a lot more to music and looping and our relationship to those things than the junk we plug into to do it. Easy to forget about that sometimes..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:28:01 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK, I'll bite. I've been touching on a lot of different stuff lately, some recommended from this list, some not too loopy at all: Aphex Twin - Richard D. James Album Tricky - Maxinquaye DJ Spooky - The Dialogic Project Sheila Chandra - Weaving My Ancestors Voices Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Mustt Mustt Lush - Spooky Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Ry Cooder - Buena Vista Social Club (interesting Latin, recorded in Cuba with several 60-80yr old Cuban musicians) Adrian Belew - Op Zop Too Wah Tony Levin - Tales From The Iron Mountain Greg Howard - Sol (A Chapman Stick player) Stew Benedict ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:10:06 -0500 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Nerds Message-ID: <01BCF4B1.C90EA460@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Looping Technique When my loops start sounding the same, I turn the wet/dry mix control to full dry. Then I play very sparsely for a minute or two. Then I stop recording, unplug my guitar, turn the mix control up just enough so that it's barely audible and go upstairs, closing the basement door behind me. Then I try to forget what I played and ignore the sound coming from my rig. The floor and door filter out the highs and force me to mentally fill in what I can't hear. I let this go on for a few hours, especially if my kids and wife don't complain. It usually gives me some new ideas. Top 10 List 1. Is This My World That Hovers? [Wild Turkeyneck Records, 45 Belmont Ave., Suite 4C, Garfield, NJ 07026) - Ken Rubenstein (1991 Guitar Player International Soundpage Competition Winner) - Fantastic, highly creative loops & compositions 2. The Police (live) 3. Paul Motian Trio (live in Japan) 4. Duran Duran's Greatest Hits (don't laugh) 5. Suicide 6. The Planet Radio Station in Detroit - I haven't listened to commercial radio (except for the news) since 1990. This station plays alternative rock from the 90s and 80s. I find it very strange and empty. Especially considering that my usual points of reference are Derek Bailey, Fred Frith, David Torn, Crimson, etc. But, it's fun to listen to, anyway. 7. Larry Young (Hammond organ trio recorded in 1961) Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:49:56 +0000 From: malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Jam update Message-ID: <3472DFFC.22B3@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank to the list, I could locate a jamman and get it sent to france. I should have it within the 3 or 5 days. So, this question about update suddenly woke me up. Did we have an answer on this point or not? What the update would add? Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Fried To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: good ole delay needed Message-Id: <199711191419.JAA11212@echonyc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, A piece of gear that is crucial to my shows next month is in the shop, and may never get out. Know anyone with a lexicon pcm-42, Deltalab ADM-2048 SuperTimeLine or the equivalent?? (it's my deltalab that's in the shop.) That is: high quality digital delay, at least 2000 msec, that good old glissando at the turn of a knob, and that red infinite repeat button. Other colors are acceptable. I'm desperate. And asking around. I'd like to stay vintage, and AVOID Jam-Man, the new echoplex and the like if I can. I've been doing this for years and want to stick to it. At this point I play the delay like an instrument and don't want to learn a new instrument. Not now anyway. Joshua ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:59:07 -0500 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Nerd Herd Message-Id: <14585925601028@cfpa.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I have to do this about once a month or so. The geeks start to run amok, so you gotta thin out the herd a little." WORD :-))) Kim, for those of us who don't get a little chill on the back of our necks when talking gear, thanks for keeping L'il Loopy D. living in the broader vein. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:29:57 +0100 From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Top ten list Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820F28ED@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Content-Type: text/plain Top 10 - varies from time to time, but currently (in no specific order): Sylvian & Fripp, "Damage". This CD is so increadibly good - better than anything else I heard either from Fripp / Crimson, or from Sylvian / Japan. Gentle Giant, "Three Friends". Could have named most GG albums. This, and their first self titled, are the easiest to get into. Peter Gabriel, "Passion". Outstanding. Someone else mentioned it. His masterpiece. Also love his albums with Genesis. Klaus Schulze, "Dune". Could have named "X", "Timewind" or "Mirage" as well. The man who showed us that electronics don't have to sound "cold". Roger Waters, "Amused to death". One of the best "Pink Floyd" albums (;->). Unbelievable that I had refused to hear it for many years, because of the split, and because of negative critics. What a mistake. Tori Amos, "Little Earthquakes". Her best, and her most personal album. Tangerine Dream, "Zeit". The masterpiece of "Kosmische Musik". Other highlights were "Rubycon" and "Encore". Brian Eno, "Ambient 4, On Land". Once a critic cynically wrote, plants would probably like this "music". - Guess I have much in common with plants. Eberhard Weber, "The Colours Of Chloe" If you know him, you probably know his later loop-based albums, or his work with Kate Bush. Very unique bass player. Kate Bush, "Never For Ever" Ok, the second side of "Hounds of Love" is even better, but not the complete album. Follow the Nile ... JH. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:00:10 -0600 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Haible Juergen's Top ten list Message-ID: >>>quote >>> > Sylvian & Fripp, "Damage". > This CD is so increadibly good - better > than anything else I heard either from Fripp / Crimson, or > from Sylvian / Japan. <<<<< end quote <<< Agreed, some of the interplay between Fripp and Michael Brook and Trey Gunn is subtle but amazing none the less, I had to see the LD of the Sun Plaza show to see who was playing what. >>> quote >>> > Roger Waters, "Amused to death". > One of the best "Pink Floyd" albums (;->). Unbelievable that I had > refused to hear it for many years, because of the split, and because > of negative critics. What a mistake. <<< end quote <<< This is good but I think his Radio KAOS is better. (more musical) (had it on in the truck on the way to work yesterday) my two cents Later john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:15:08 -0800 From: Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971119101508.009f7d80@global.california.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:28 AM 11/19/97 -0500, Stew Benedict wrote: >Greg Howard - Sol (A Chapman Stick player) > hmmm... I knew a guy by the name of Greg Howard that played stick. What label is this on? If there's any kind of contact address, does it happen to be in Virginia? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:20:01 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Dave said: >>Kim mentioned: >>> >>>Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst >> >>if you like this, check out "The Instrumentalyst" instrumental remixes from >>the above CD. Dan Nakamura, AKA the Automator, is one of the most >>interesting hip hop producers today. >> > >Is the Instrumentalyst album remixes? or the same stuff as the album >without the raps? > Some of each. I haven't actually compared then side by side, but some pieces are definitely extended, with different sections, etc. I just find that I want to listen to the instrumental CD more often. The Dr's raps are great, he seems to be one of the few honestly funny rappers out there, but when the novelty wears off, the instrumental tracks are still very interesting. The Automator produces most of the stuff on the Ubiquity label, and everything I've heard of his has been quite good. As far as the Dr. Octagon CD being one of the best of all time, well, I think that the state of commercial hip-hop has gotten to be so low that anything that shows a modicum of cleverness and innovation sounds outstanding. Whether I'll still be listening to it 5 years from, as I am still listening to "Fear of a Black Planet" and "Paul's Boutique" remains to be seen. BTW, the new Wu Tang Clan has some quite interesting production, kind of murky and trip-hoppy, but very dark and menacing. Now if they'd only do an instrumental mix of this record... The MC Hellshit/DJ Carhouse CD has my vote for hip-hop disc of the year, though. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:41:09 +0300 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-ID: <00005A04.4007@poyry.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part In no particular order: 1- Jan Garbarek & Hilliard Ensemble: Officium (sax improvisations on top of gregorian chant); 2- Tom Verlaine: Warm & Cool (instrumental and very cool); 3- Rabi Abu Khalil: everything (ethno jazz with lute and occidental players like Charlie Mariano, Steve Swallow, Glen Velez etc.); 4- FFWD: FFWD (Fripp + Orb + FSOL); 5- Pepe Habichuela: Habichuela en la rama (flamenco with "duende"); 6- Ravi Shankar: In Celebration; 7- Lost in Space (D'N'B compilation); 8- Kula Shaker (british pop guitar band); 9- Loop Guru: Amrita (lots of sample loops from ethic sources); 10- Miles Davies: In a silent way Miguel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:00:16 -0800 From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: On being complete nerds Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC56BA79@sf-01-msg.dns.microsoft.com> I don't know what the label is but you can order his recordings through Stick Enterprises (www.stickent.com). > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [SMTP:sechevar@california.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 10:27 AM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: On being complete nerds > > At 05:28 AM 11/19/97 -0500, Stew Benedict wrote: > >Greg Howard - Sol (A Chapman Stick player) > > > > hmmm... I knew a guy by the name of Greg Howard that played stick. What > label is this on? If there's any kind of contact address, does it happen > to be in Virginia? > --------------------------------