------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 206 Today's Topics: Greg Howard. Looping. Current Listen [ "John Stevens" ] Re: EBow with a Guitar Synth? [ "John Stevens" ] Re: EBow with a Guitar Synth? [ miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) ] Top ten list [ Michael Peters ] Controller pedal [ Neil Goldstein ] Pushing the Nerd Meter Toward the Re [ Crimson@aznet.net ] Reluctantly pushing the nerd meter t [ Crimson@aznet.net ] Logic Audio Users [ "G. Peterson" To: "LOOPERS-DELIGHT" Subject: Greg Howard. Looping. Current Listening. Message-Id: <199711191900.TAA13454@beryl.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Greg Howard album Stick Figures is on the Espresso label ES-9301. He can be contacted (so says album sleeve) at: PO Box 4051 Charlottesville VA22903. I started looping using guitar/Ebow through a Roland RE301 in mid 80s and created reasonable Frippian sounds that way. Now I use a Pentium 166 running the Microsoft Midisoft Studio 4 for all my musical writing/recording. By the way, Projeckt One (Bruford, Fripp, Gunn, Levin) play the LONDON (UK) Jazz Cafe 1st-4th December. Wish I could get there but ill-health prevents this. However, hopefully some loopers may make it and report back ;-) Listening to at present: 1. Bjork - Homogenic 2. Levin et al - Iron Mountain 3. Tony Geballe - Native Of The Rain 4/6. RF Pie Jesu, The Outer Darkness and November Suite (one of RF's best Soundscapes so far) John Stevens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:35:35 -0800 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: EBow with a Guitar Synth? Message-ID: <01bcf522$4e5c5b60$0a3bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Stevens intoned: > >I started looping using guitar/Ebow through a Roland RE301 in mid 80s and >created reasonable Frippian sounds that way. >Now I use a Pentium 166 running the Microsoft Midisoft Studio 4 for all my >musical writing/recording. What has been anyone's experiences with EBow via a guitar synth unit? Do the tones get picked up the same way? I've thought about upgrading the ol' Strat with one of those GR units at some point, just to utilize some method of scoring my work... Hm, at work at the moment... What's playing right now? KKGO's got Beethoven's 6th on. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:56:11 +0100 From: Erik Ljones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Techno Animal (was: Re: Jon Hassell and other looping in London) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971119205611.0073dc28@pop.stud.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" K Law wrote: > Speaking of Jon Hassel David& anyone else have you heard Re -Entry by >Techno Animal? His contributions on 2 pieces are distinct elevating factors >in the music which is sort of a heavy electronic trance dub> hard to >catergorize.This is one of the most innovative recordings of the past ten >years IMHO . I had the pleasure of talking to Justin Broadrick (Half of TA) >last year at a Godflesh show and he said they sent Jon a dat with the >backing tracks on it and he added his bits>> I was amazed >>the trumpet is >so seamlessly a part of the music its hard to imagine without it. I have this double-CD. Track #1 (featuring Jon Hassel) on Dream Machinery is magnificent. The second CD, Heavy Lids, is a masterpiece. I urge everyone to check it out...you won't regret it. Have also been listening to some of Broaderick's cynical ambient/noise/isolationism work as FINAL. I'm not as impressed by this though, but alot of the sounds/noises are actually heavily treated guitars, so these cd's may be of interest to some of you. Don't know if they're available in the US though (J. Broaderick is from Birmingham, England). They're on some obscure label I can't remember the name of, but I can check it out if you want me to. Later, Erik Ljones (Norway) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:54:23 -0000 From: "John Stevens" To: "LOOPERS-DELIGHT" , "John Stevens" Subject: Re: EBow with a Guitar Synth? Message-Id: <199711192050.UAA15635@beryl.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: John Stevens > To: Stephen P. Goodman > Subject: Re: EBow with a Guitar Synth? > Date: 19 November 1997 20:52 > > > > ---------- > > From: Stephen P. Goodman > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: EBow with a Guitar Synth? > > Date: 19 November 1997 19:35 > > > > John Stevens intoned: > > > > > >I started looping using guitar/Ebow through a Roland RE301 in mid 80s > and > > >created reasonable Frippian sounds that way. > > >Now I use a Pentium 166 running the Microsoft Midisoft Studio 4 for all > my > > >musical writing/recording. > > > > What has been anyone's experiences with EBow via a guitar synth unit? Do > > the tones get picked up the same way? I've thought about upgrading the > ol' > > Strat with one of those GR units at some point, just to utilize some > method > > of scoring my work... > > > > Hm, at work at the moment... What's playing right now? > > > > KKGO's got Beethoven's 6th on. > > > > Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! > > > > > Yes. I have a Roland 300/303 which I used with an E-bow to very good > effect. Especially if its set to 5ths/octaves. There can be glitching > problems, but careful use of the E-bow minimises these. Of course, the > glitches could be incorporated into the music;-) > > Cheers John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:04:50 -0500 From: Walt Blackler To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello! and my Top Ten listens... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everybody! I really enjoy this newsgroup; interestingly enough, I do not have any of this equipement but I work on a Mac running Deck II (I know, I know). I'm thinking of switching over soon and so here I am listening to some experts in the "components" side of sampling. I love all the great listening suggestions from you guys! My top 10 listens right now: 1. Funkmaster Flex Vol 1. (its alright) 2. Brand New Heavies - Heavy Rhyme Experience. (If all hip-hop albums were this good...) 3. Sublime (trying to learn his unique ska/reggae/punk/rock aesthetic) 4. P-Funk All Stars "Dope Dogs" Well this album really is something. It was not released in the United States at all, but it is available from Japan. This album is George Clinton's masterpiece of the 90s, being a comprehensive social commentary on the modern crack-influenced innner city drug culture. This album is virtually totally unknown in the United States but I assure you - if you listen, you will love it! It is amazing. (I also like the TAPOAFOM album from last year as well as Bernie Worrell's Blacktronic Science - Bernie is a musical genius) 5. obligatory Miles pick: Get Up With It: 1970-1974. Also not available in the US but available in Europe. It is basically a bunch of stuff culled from tape of the era edited by Bill Laswell and his gang. I think there is definitely some post-production on it as well. 6. Squirrel Nut Zippers - can that woman copy Billy Holiday any more blatently? probably not! I do like the songs and the male vocalist however. 7. Mahavishnu Orchestra - Visions of the Emerald Beyond. One of my favorite albums of all time. If you have not heard it - go out and give it a listen. 'nough said. 8. 9/20/80 Bob Marley - Bob's last show on CD (well at least half of it). The show is incredible. The strength in his voice at a time when his health was really failing him.... absolutely incendiary versions of Zimbabwe, Zion Train, many many others. This widely available bootleg is the bomb. 9. DJ Shadow - Entroducing... A great album. I really like his sensibilities. He isn't so much into straight-ahead song structure as much as a really good "musical ride." 10. Material - Hallucination Engine. What do you guys think of this? I love it! Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell.... tell me what you think. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:00:31 +0300 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) To: , "Stephen P. Goodman" Subject: Re: EBow with a Guitar Synth? Message-ID: <00005A5A.4007@poyry.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I use the E-bow with a Roland GR-300 and it works very well. No problems at all. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: EBow with a Guitar Synth? Autor: "Stephen P. Goodman" na internet Data: 19/11/1997 11:35 John Stevens intoned: > >I started looping using guitar/Ebow through a Roland RE301 in mid 80s and >created reasonable Frippian sounds that way. >Now I use a Pentium 166 running the Microsoft Midisoft Studio 4 for all my >musical writing/recording. What has been anyone's experiences with EBow via a guitar synth unit? Do the tones get picked up the same way? I've thought about upgrading the ol' Strat with one of those GR units at some point, just to utilize some method of scoring my work... Hm, at work at the moment... What's playing right now? KKGO's got Beethoven's 6th on. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:23:37 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Top ten list Message-ID: <199711191623_MC2-28CC-C9C2@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline ok, here's some of my favorites, in no particular order ... recent favorites - Robert Wyatt - Shleep Tony Geballe - Native of the Rain David Bowie - Earthling Robert Fripp - That Which Passes Arto Lindsay - Mundo Civilisado all-time favorites - Synergy - Computer Experiments Vol. 1 Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians Philip Glass - Music with Changing Parts Michel Redolfi - Nausicaa Soft Machine - Third Brian Eno - Music for Films Brian Eno - On Land Harold Budd - The Pearl David Sylvian - Gone to Earth Jon Hassell - Aka Darbari Java King Crimson - Red Peter Gabriel - Passion Robert Fripp - God Save the Queen David Torn - Tripping Over God Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 2 generally, I listen less and less to records - excellent as they may be - because I find that it gives me more kicks to play and listen to my own stuff ... I wish I had more time ... ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:40:20 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Top 10 and looping techs. Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My top 10 list of most played discs is heavily influenced by hanging out with my 8 yr old daughter who is a top 40 and "alternative" fan, and a limited budget for buying CDs (too much spent on my own gear): 1. Spice Girls (some of the production is admirable...) 2. Sarah McLaghlan (grows on you, beautiful) 3. XTC (my fav band by far, new album to be out in 5/98 I hear) 4. Talvin Singh presents Soundz of the Asian Underground 5. new Bjork 6. Fleetwood Mac live 7. Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks "Orange Crate Art" 8. Beatles Anthology 9.. I'm too involved in creating my own shit to listen much to other music, and find there's not enough time and money to hear all the great stuff people recommend. I have a band doing trad songs with vocals and harmony (working on CD and refining writing and arranging), but have tendency to do experimental stuff on my own. Looping: My "typical" loop trip is using a VG8 into a JamMan and Vortex, sometime synced to an MC303. I was recently given a beautifyl kalimba which I've looped along with an African drum for some fey World music soundz. I am a huge fan of Logic Audio and spend lots of time working within that environment working on captured loops and adding improv guitar or K2000 tweaks. Thanks for all the cool recommends for techniques and discs. Great list! Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:19:27 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Controller pedal Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody have a source for buying a controller pedal (for midi cc and Vortex) at a good price? Thanks Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:48:09 -0800 From: Crimson@aznet.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pushing the Nerd Meter Toward the Red Message-ID: <34735E99.5BBD@aznet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What does anyone think about the GR-1, both in the context of sounds for looping and just as a generally cool toy. How does it stand up vs. the GR-9 and the GR-30. "Hallucination Engine" is a GREAT album. Amazing production and even more amazing are the musicians. -- Cheers, Adam Tuckerman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:05:50 -0800 From: Crimson@aznet.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Reluctantly pushing the nerd meter toward the red. sorry. Message-ID: <347362BE.C26@aznet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What does anyone think about the GR-1, both in the context of sounds for looping and just as a generally cool toy. How does it stand up vs. the GR-9 and the GR-30. "Hallucination Engine" is a GREAT album. Amazing production and even more amazing are the musicians. -- Cheers, Adam Tuckerman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:22:40 -0500 From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Logic Audio Users Message-Id: <199711200034.TAA05983@venice.connection.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I am considering purchasing Logic Audio recording/sequencing system(software and card) for windows 95 I would be very interested to hear any feed back, good or bad from users. I currently am running a 4 track tape machine synched to an old Mac SE, that is running Performer and slaving a few samplers. drum machine, etc. As I am mainly an anolgue type guy (guitars and old pedals), one of my concerns is being able to process some of the tracks through some older funky outboard effects at mixdown. Someone suggested Logic Audio as it has 8 outs which should make thispossible for me. Is this system worth considering or would I be better off (less grief) for instance just running an Adat and a mixer for my home studio writing? Or for that matter, are there any other system set ups similiar to this that you might recommend me checking out. Any and all thoughts and input would be greatly appreciated. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:18:20 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hallucination Engine Message-Id: <199711200018.QAA13754@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 10. Material - Hallucination Engine. What do you guys think of this? I > love it! Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell.... tell me what you think. One of my favorite CDs. The bass grooves on this CD first started me thinking seriously about taking up the bass. I'm at the point where I'm ready to put up my Gibson 355 for sale and invest in a bass guitar. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:53:14 -0500 (EST) From: haganbr@jmu.edu To: Loopers Delight Subject: finding a jamman Message-id: Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am relatively new to the looping scene, but after hearing Phil Keaggy play his jamman at a concert I was hooked. I heard they were discontinuing the model. I would desparately like to find one, new or used. I live in Virginia and would like to find one nearby, but I am willing to find it in any place I can throughout the country. If someone knows where I can purchase one for under list price please let me know. Thank you, Brian Hagan Haganbr @jmu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:10:08 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: nerds Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Anyway , I have taken up this space because I feel this is stuff that is >>more valuable to us as MUSICIANS , as well as guitarists. I hope we can get >>more discussions on this subject , and thank you Kim , for pionting out >>that the emperor is almost completely nude ( and not very sexy)......chew >>on that , guys!! >> >>Your looper in Norway , Thomas Woehni > >That's exactly it. There's a lot more to music and looping and our >relationship to those things than the junk we plug into to do it. Easy to >forget about that sometimes..... > >kim Ok, but why then talk about the (CD-) output of the others, while we create our own? And then not even list it up on the page "loop artists" ? And how about our own sample CD or label? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hail Laswell Message-Id: <199711192341.SAA19489@cliff.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:04 PM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everybody! I really enjoy this newsgroup; interestingly enough, I do >not have any of this equipement but I work on a Mac running Deck II (I >know, I know). I'm thinking of switching over soon and so here I am >listening to some experts in the "components" side of sampling. > >I love all the great listening suggestions from you guys! >My top 10 listens right now: > SNIP > >10. Material - Hallucination Engine. What do you guys think of this? I >love it! Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell.... tell me what you think. > > > > > Yes, Laswell is the Creator (other than some of that weeenie shit with that Japanese synth guy) Also FYLP the Golden Palaminoes the Ginger Baker "Middle Passages" and my fave "Nicky Skoplelitis "Ekstasis" a Mid-East tinged (oops, hope the NSA dosen't flag me for that) psychoswirl of world FUNK even if Laswell never played an instrument in his life, his Axiom label has recorded and produced some of the finest world artists alive . . . check: Mandinka and Fulani Music of Gambia Foday Musa Suso (on CMP) "The Dreamtime" (kora master) Gnawamusic of Marrakesh "Night Spirit Masters" and thes just scratch the surface--check the Axiom'Meta web-site The man should be canonized. Tom This top 10 stuff is serious sh#t--let me mull it over. Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:15:37 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Occult loops Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Twayn opened a very interesting subject: >As a member of an occult fraternal organization, I >have opportunity to investigate the subtler >capabilities of sound looping/delay. I think this is a very serious subject, since we musicians interfere a lot in our listeners minds and maybe should do it a bit more consciously, with some more concrete knowledge about our "tools" and "clients". >Personally, I find that running a static loop for >astral applications (i.e. guided imagery travel) to >be not as effective as a more delay oriented >approach. The evolving effect that can be achieved >with a long delay time and long decay seems to be >more effective for creating a "travelogue." In other words: If the Feedback is all up, the sound holds you down, the music has to develop into a story to give freedom to the soul. Is that too much simplified? Maybe the music has to follow the travel and its not enough to simply change, but it takes the sensibility to create the "sound track" for the others trip? >On the other hand, the hypnotic effect of a repeating >sound (or texture) can also be quite effective. Sorry the silly question: What is the difference between the hypnosis and the imagery travel? Isnt hypnosis used for traveling and regression, too? I probably should go through those experiences myself... :-) I am playing on the roof of a chinese healing center every day (watching sundown) for the terapies instead of rehearsing alone at home. I want to learn and record and install the equipment to keep the whole center in the good working and healing clima all day. People there like the sound and trust me and will end up paying for the whole project. So the other day, just when I wanted to leave and fade my 10 seconds nice harmonic slow continuous wash loop, the tibetanian master (he calls himself "lama") came arround and said: this is perfect sound so I can take my massage now (after giving 10 of them, all day long). So I said: What a pitty I do not have time to play for you. I can leave the loop, but isnt it horrible to hear the same 10 seconds over and over? He: True, give it some more variations! So I multiplied it to 80 seconds, playing some loose melody over it and left. The next day I asked him about the feeling during the massage and he said it was perfect for him to relax. He had heard the same about 50 times and its base even 400 times, but since he did not listen like a musician, he did not mind. So this is probably neither a hypnotic nor a imagery travel situation, but has a bit of both? So did my loop? If we are able to feel whether our public likes our sound, are we aslo able to feel what these people need in their situation? Even better than these people can feel and tell? If do not feel it right, we are not musicians? If there are several people listening (the terapist and the client for example), do we attend them unequaly, or mixed, or one after the other, or do we even synchornize them so they do the same trip together? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:15:37 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Occult loops Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi out there! > >Well, I guess if there are weirdoes on this list I'm one of them, so ... hmmm, yes... >Do you know about "Brainwave Synchronization" ???? >It's about getting the brain into a given state of awareness by getting >the sounds in sync with a given brainwave frequency depending on what >state you want to make to listener have ... like dreamy sleep, better >concentration etc. >It's only works with headphones! (What a shame). > >This is just one thing that I'm into of weird stuff ... but enough for >now. Yes I heard about it and I am very interested in knowing more, please tell! Somehow I feel that loops so something similar, but I may be completely wrong... Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:49:17 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Recent listening and self-promotional blurb Message-ID: <3473890D.6F72@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No Top 10 list, but these are some things that have caught my ear lately: Stereolab -- "Dots and Loops" Very post-modern, deadpan-ironic take on the whole '50s Space-Age Bachelor Pad/Futurist Lounge Music idea. Not the sort of thing I would have expected myself to like from the descriptions I'd heard of it, but I played a promo copy at work and really enjoyed it. Still can't decide how much of it should be taken seriously and how much is a wry commentary on the retro-futurist slant. Bonus points for several odd-metered tunes, some jungle excursions, and the ever-popular cool, detached European female vocalists crooning heady obscurities over the whole willfully cheesy thing. Spring Heel Jack -- "Busy Curious Thirsty" This might be the best jungle album I've ever heard (which, given my pedigree, isn't necessarily saying much); I'd personally have to give it the nod over recent outtings by Photek, Squarepusher, Talvin Singh et al, even though SHJ are generally not taken very seriously by the jungle community at large. Big band brass samples, distorted basslines, and some allusions to Gamelan and 20th Century classical music (including one drumless 9-minute atonal epic that I still haven't made up my mind about). But it just seems to *work* more consistently and engagingly than any other drum-n-bass disc I've run across. Party music with brains, perhaps... (I doubt any one else on the list will know anything about these last two items, but if nothing else I might win an award for most obscure entry:) Zvuki Mu -- [don't know the title since I can't read Russian] A compilation album of the group Zvuki Mu, one of the definitive underground bands to emerge from the '80s Russian rock scene. This seems to be a compilation CD of various pieces from their career. Some truly beautiful and disturbing material here. Center -- "Made In Paris" A 1989 album by Center, another one of the premier '80s Russian rock bands, who recorded this record for Polygram France at the height of the post-Gorbachev media feeding frenzy that surrounded Soviet rock music at the end of the 1980's. Between the atypical harmonic sensibilities, the Russian lyrics, and the glossy '80s production aesthetic, this is like '80s AOR radio from another planet. [For the truly obscurely-inclined, I'm currently working with Center leader Vasily Shumov on a series of remixes of material from this record; you can download files by checking out http://music.calarts.edu/~shumov/radio/band/. There's much looping to be found, though perhaps not quite of the variety you might expect... For more info on Shumov and Center you can check out two home pages, at http://home.earthlink.net/~lavausa or http://music.calarts.edu/~shumov/radio/] --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gear alert Message-ID: <971120015205_-1106265108@mrin39> FYI: Spotted today in the used rack at Sam Ash in New Haven CT: DeltaLab Effectron $149 PCM41 $699 (203) 389-0500 --------------------------------