------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 216 Today's Topics: RE: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade [ Andrew ] RE: Looping with a band. [ Leonardo Cavallo ] Re: Leonardo, seductive is the Dark [ Leonardo Cavallo ] Re: Looping with a band.(LEO) [ Leonardo Cavallo ] RE: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." ] echoplex = instant cool [ gorton@umich.edu (Russell Gorton) ] digitech RDS 900(0?) looks like the [ trevor d bajus ] My nerdiness cannot be denied! (or: [ trevor d bajus ] Fripp tour? [ David Myers ] RE: Footswitch for Lexicon Vortex [ "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" ] Re: quadraverb questions!!!?? [ "Raul Bonell Tomas" ] Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade [ floyd@voicenet.com ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:38:26 -0000 From: Andrew To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Message-ID: <01BCFA68.48F46410@PCANDREW> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCFA68.4903A650" OS wrote I had no idea the Echoplex was a 'current' product - I assumed it was old and dead like the JamMan. I've never seen or heard of an Echoplex in England - anyone know where I should look? As far as I can ascertain, the Echoplex has never been available in England. Several attempts to find one have pointed me to Italy ( Milan or Rome I think ) as the nearest source to the UK. I went as far as calling Milan, but language differences became a problem. Oberheim say they do not ship direct to the UK. You might try and get one direct from a dealer in the US, but watch out, the warranty might be void in Europe. ( Funny story - when I first contacted Oberheim USA to ask who my nearest dealer in the UK was they said Gibson UK. I called Gibson UK and they said they no longer dealt with Oberheim, and hadn't for a while... Life was so much simpler when all I wanted was another BOSS pedal. ) Good luck Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:40:42 +0100 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Looping with a band. Message-ID: <19971126134041234.AAA62@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 14.26 25/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > Leonardo asked: > "And what about the midi mute-restart when 2 jam are connected?" > >JAMMAN will not echo it's MIDI input to the MIDI output. The addition >of a MIDI THRU box will allow you to control both of your JAMMANs. > Hi Greg I already use 2 jams connected via midi. Jam master midi out -> jam slave midi in. To connect a drum machine I've to add a thu box, yeah, I've already tried. But my question was: when using ONLY 2 jammans (no drum machine in this case) what does it happen when tha master give the midi mute restart command? The other jam mutes and restarts in sync? thanks for the help ciao leo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:40:36 +0100 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Leonardo, seductive is the Dark side, do not be swayed! Message-ID: <19971126134032828.AAC232@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 20.50 25/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, > >I'm going to take a stab at this one. Sorry Greg, but you are neglecting >the mysterious side of reality. Yes that's right, I can get two JamMans >to pass midi from one to the other. Yes I know it's impossible, but if >you let go your concious self, and feel the Force flowing in and through >you, it works. Here's how I go about it: > >First train with Jedi master. (optional) Then, hook the output of a >sequencer or Drum machine to the MIDI in of a JamMan (optional) use >a MIDI merge to take the MIDI out of an ART X-15 MIDI foot controller and >merge it with the sequencer output. This allows both clock and program >change info to get into the JamMan. You could run the MIDI clock through >the effects, but that gets messy for me. > >Nobody likes a mess! > >Now, take the MIDI out of JamMan #1 and run it to JamMan #2. Feel the >Force flowing...Start the sequencer, use either the foot controller of >JamMan #1 or a MIDI controller and send a start loop (MIDI message #1) the >loop will close itself according to the length of your sequence. Now, >start a loop with JamMan #2 in the same way. They are independent, but >both synched to eachother. Yes, I actually do this all the time. >Remember, there is no try. There is only do, or not do. Now, when I send >a MIDI message from my foot controller, because it's merged with the MIDI >clock from the sequencer, it hits my JamMan as well as JamMan #2. I know >this works, as it's currently a problem for me because JamMan #2 is being >manned by a different person in my band and he doesn't always want a MIDI >fade message when I send one to my JamMan. (he can't be first in line, as >my MIDI merge requires a hot +5v center pin, and the JamMan doesn't supply >this. My Ensonic TS-10's MIDI out does.) A MIDI message of program >change #11, sent >from my ART X-15 Ultrafoot (could my success have something to do with the >"Ultra" quality of the X-15? Could be...) always sends my band mates >JamMan into a fade, along with mine. Mute and restart work as well, but I >don't use them as much so it's not a problem. > Well, in this way the master is the seq/drum machine, right? It's not what I was thinging about, but worth a try. Having to buy a midi box to control program changes from my pedalboard, i'd like to use my jam as master and drum machine and other jam as slaves. I wanna rule the world! ciao leo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:40:33 +0100 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with a band.(LEO) Message-ID: <19971126134032828.AAA232@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 00.37 26/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >ciao leo >i play with a guitarist in a duo (i play drums and percussions with >electronic effects eccetera), and we use the midi mute-restart function >with the two jammans midi-connected as you say. (midi pedal >> jamman 1 >> >jamman 2) >it works very well. >ciao nicos > Hi Nicos And what does it happens? The 2 jams mute and restart at the same time? It could be really interesting to be able to stop and let restart in sync 2 loops together.... thanks leo PS. Hey nicos, are you living in Losanna, Svizzera? Are your origins italian? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:32:00 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971126153200.3a8f5186@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I had no idea the Echoplex was a 'current' product - I assumed it was >>old and dead like the JamMan. I've never seen or heard of an Echoplex in >>England - anyone know where I should look? >As far as I can ascertain, the Echoplex has never been available in England. >Several attempts to find one have pointed me to Italy ( Milan or Rome I think ) >as the nearest source to the UK. I went as far as calling Milan, but language >differences became a problem. Oberheim say they do not ship direct to the UK. >You might try and get one direct from a dealer in the US, but watch out, the >warranty might be void in Europe. The problem is that Oberheim can't be bothered getting CE certification. It is a disgrace that they aren't concerned with our safety in this way! All European companies have to meet this standard, so there can be no excuse for the lax behaviour of our American cousins! Guys, sort yourselves _out_!!!! Michael (All the above to be taken with a great big smiley, of course....!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:08:37 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: CE or not CE...What is the Problem? Message-Id: <97Nov26.080917cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There are options to consider and tweaks to make. We will have CE approved Echoplexes very soon ( no man shall know the time or date!). "My plans...my plans...my beautiful plans..." Tom At 09:32 AM 11/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >>>I had no idea the Echoplex was a 'current' product - I assumed it was >>>old and dead like the JamMan. I've never seen or heard of an Echoplex in >>>England - anyone know where I should look? > >>As far as I can ascertain, the Echoplex has never been available in >England. >Several attempts to find one have pointed me to Italy ( Milan or >Rome I think ) >as the nearest source to the UK. I went as far as calling >Milan, but language >differences became a problem. Oberheim say they do >not ship direct to the UK. >You might try and get one direct from a dealer >in the US, but watch out, the >warranty might be void in Europe. > >The problem is that Oberheim can't be bothered getting CE certification. >It is a disgrace that they aren't concerned with our safety in this way! >All European companies have to meet this standard, so there can be no >excuse for the lax behaviour of our American cousins! > >Guys, sort yourselves _out_!!!! > >Michael > >(All the above to be taken with a great big smiley, of course....!) > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:56:30 -0500 From: gorton@umich.edu (Russell Gorton) To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: echoplex = instant cool Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Why does an Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro (16 Mb) equal instant cool, you ask? 1. I've written a new rock song for my power-trio (other guys) plus multi-instrumental writer/arranger guy (me) band. Instead of just plugging through the chords with them in pieces and arguing over a LOUUUUUUUD drummer about where to make the changes, I can now record each drum pattern into a separate loop of the EP. I just play the drum kit (terribly) and whack at the Record button with my left foot between hi-hat clutches, until it's close to seamless. Then, I use NextLoop with SwitchQuant to record the structured song onto the multitrack by "tabbing" through each loop for enough repetitions, then layer the crude instrumental parts on the tape. Then, when teaching the song, it's CAKE...just give them my "rough" tape. Echoplex is like a drum machine, but far easier to use and faster to get a project recording done with (provided you have a drum set miced into a soundboard with aux sends to the Echoplex...kind of a big prerequisite, I guess.) It's drum machine, Echoplex-style. 2. I was a class clown in middle school orchestra 12 years ago. I used to terrorize the teacher and disrupt class, mouth off, etc. I finally paid her back by giving an electric 'cello demonstration to the 7th/8th grade string players (ages 10-13). I do other volunteer teaching and I know what a tough age group this is to impress. The secret? Echoplex. I'm serious...I just played some bullsh*t riff-off of Michael Hedges' _Rickover's Dream_ with a guitar pick near the bridge of the 'cello, where the transducer really catches a metallic glint. Then turn the hall reverb way up, thicken the flange, and Multiply some bowings on there. I was able to keep the room quiet (from talking) for about 10 minutes. My old teacher couldn't believe it. Echoplex = instant cool. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:23:55 +0000 From: trevor d bajus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: digitech RDS 900(0?) looks like the Time Machine Message-ID: <347BF8BB.1041@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive the cluster of posts please. I was having mail troubles. Anyone know the difference between the 900 and the Time Machine? There doesn't seem to be much info on the site. I talked to one of the guys at digitech, and he said that the 900 had a lower sampling rate/bit depth, or something. I got to fool around with one a (900) the other day- a friend has one which went on the fritz, so I popped the top off and took it for a ride after I fixed it. Really very, very cool in a low tech grotty kind of way. So went out on a quest to find one, and located an RDS 2001 just down the street. I am afraid to say that it did not sound nearly as cool as the 900. Bummer. Anybody looking to get rid of 900? Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:28:35 +0000 From: trevor d bajus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: My nerdiness cannot be denied! (or: Remember that sustainer retrofit...?) Message-ID: <347BF920.29E1@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like my toys, and I'm proud of it, dammit! Anybody remember the name of that company that was retrofiting strats with those Michael Brood-like devices? They sent me a catalog, but those gremlins hid it again.... Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:38:05 -0500 From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fripp tour? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Got tickets for Bob's space journey here at the Bottom Line, Dec. 13. Anyone know if he's doing other dates, seen him lately? Frankly, I almost passed up this gig since the Soundscape CD's seem to indicate he's been working with about one-and-a-half musical ideas, of late. "Lookit how much gear I've got!" is hardly an artistic statement. But maybe some of you guys will take in the show & post your views.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:54:36 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Footswitch for Lexicon Vortex Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786A6@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain Andrzej asked: > "Hi, > Short question. I've just bought a Lexicon Vortex. It does not > have a > footswitch. Is it easy to substitute it? What should I use?" > You can use to normally opened footswitches wired to a single cable with one switch closing the tip and sleeve connection and the other switch closing the ring and sleeve connection. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:52:04 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786A5@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: improv@peak.org[SMTP:improv@peak.org] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 7:40 PM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! > > > Dave Trenkel asked: > > "Didn't Mission of Burma, Roger Miller's early band, have a > >member who just did processing and tape-looping?" > > > > Yes, Their soundman, Martin Swope, added tape loops which > was > >an integral part of their live sound and their latter recordings. > > > Right, and didn't Swope and Miller start Birdsongs of the Mesozoic? > That > was a cool band, especially their early stuff. I loved their chessy > new-wave cover of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. > I believe the main person behind Birdsongs was and is Erik Lindgren. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:04:00 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp tour? Message-ID: <347C567F.33D5@intcpi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Myers wrote: > > Got tickets for Bob's space journey here at the Bottom Line, Dec. 13. > Anyone know if he's doing other dates, seen him lately? Frankly, I almost > passed up this gig since the Soundscape CD's seem to indicate he's been > working with about one-and-a-half musical ideas, of late. "Lookit how much > gear I've got!" is hardly an artistic statement. But maybe some of you > guys will take in the show & post your views.... Fripp usually works in whatever way The Music tells him to work. He never works the way anyone would like him to work. He has always seemed to take great joy and often ( rightfully so IMHO ) gone to great lengths to pour salt in any expectations anyone may have of him or about his music. Also, Fripp is pretty light in the gear Department ( The Mobile, Globile concept or somethn to that effect, I think ) Sure he has rack mounts and synths embedded into his rig. But Im certain he could put his entire setup into the back seat of a Hyandai and still have room for a passenger to sit comfortablly along with his gear, if necessary. Fripp just doesnt carry around all of the equipment baggage that most world class guitarists seem to inately aspire to hording. For goodness sakes, Fripp doesnt even play thru an amp. Listening without expectactions is usually the 1st step to hearing something completely. If your really listening and then perhaps you actually hear the issue of whether or not you like something becomes almost irrelevant. Fripps music isnt always about needing to be appreciated or enjoyed ( it rarely ever is ) moreover, its meant to be sincerely and freely heard from more than just your ears. You should still ck him out. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:00:54 +0100 From: "nicomonguzzi" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with a band.(LEO) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ciao > >Hi Nicos > >And what does it happens? The 2 jams mute and restart at the same time? It >could be really interesting to be able to stop and let restart in sync 2 >loops together.... > yes the 2 jammen mute and restart at the same time, and you can even change the loop (from loop number 1 to loop 2 and so on). >thanks >leo > >PS. Hey nicos, are you living in Losanna, Svizzera? Are your origins italian? (not very loop concerned) Yes i live in Losanna, Svizzera, but i come from Meride, Ticino, the south part of switzerland where we speech italian. My mother comes from Milan, so my blood is half italian (and my heart even more..). I like soccer (calcio) like an italian. Among others things i must program my VCR because this night i have a concert and Champion's League is on tv... ciao nicos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:49:06 +0000 From: malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jam man memory Message-ID: <347C6110.2D78@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After receiving the machine today, i'd want to expand it to 32 sec. The thing is none here (France) knows about ZIP memory chips... Hence no one sells it. If I rememmber well, someone talked about the set of chips being found at about 50 bucks? Or amybe someone has some to sell, either way, if you have a phone number op provide me, that would not be a 800-xXXXXX (800 don't pass international...) Thanks in advance.. Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:01:49 +0000 From: "Raul Bonell Tomas" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: quadraverb questions!!!?? Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Steven May you counsel me some interesting places where to find used Quadraverbs (or gear in general)? Peace.Love.Raul. > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:21:28 -0500 (EST) > From: Steven Dubofsky > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: quadraverb questions!!!?? > Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, andre wrote: > > > hey all.... > > > > anyone have a alesis quadraverb out there??? any thoughts??? pros/cons...? etc > > I use a QV GT and love it. Honestly I can't think of any cons except the > delays don't sync to midi clocks. > > > > > > i mostly wanna know whether or not it suffers from that annoying msec delay > > when you cahnge programs via midi - some devices do, some don't - that > > delay as the software change kicks in, you know...? pls let me know anyting > > else about the unit - i have a chace to buy one - also what's a good > > ballpark proce. i know there are updated quads and the quad GT, but this is > > what is here, now. > > > There's a delay for sure. The older GT's can be found under $200 US. I got > mine for $125. > > > steve d > > > Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. > DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw > may be habit forming. Consult your physician. > > http://www.gti.net/skullsaw > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:50:14 -0500 From: klaw@iglou.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hail Burma ! They lit a fire under my ass& showed me anything is possible in music. I saw them oct 82 before Vs was released.Kinda changed my life.Any one here heard Roger's latest Elemental Guitar which features a healthy amount of looping in songform context?On the subject of Punk(?) looping what about Elliot Sharp? K Law ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:30:54 -0800 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Andre wrote: >One somewhat strange thing I've noticed has to do with reversing a loop >while still slaved to MIDI clock. On most occasions, I've found that >after engaging the reverse command (via the UNDO parameter bank), the >"000" reading will show in the display for several repetitions of the >loop, after which the reverse will finally take effect. It's entirely >probable that this is due to some parameter setting which I'm presently >ignorant of; if anyone could shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it. > My guess is that you must have QUANTIZE=ON, so that the reverse playback is not taking effect until the end of the current cycle. You say that it does not take effect until after "several repetitions"...? That is weird. Are you sure about that? Perhaps, you changed the length of the cycle, without reaizing it... I am having great success with the new software upgrade! I like the fact that (when brother or midi syncing) if you screw up a loop and erase it, you don't have to wait for the downbeat to come along before you can record another. Hope you all get some good loopin' in over the long weekend! Cheers, Chris ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 1997 18:31:44 -0000 From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Message-ID: <19971126183144.11006.qmail@omni2.voicenet.com> Chris Chovit wrote: > I am having great success with the new software upgrade! I like the fact > that .... > > Hope you all get some good loopin' in over the long weekend! Hmmmmm. It's nice to hear some positive feedback about the upgrade. But it leaves me wondering... how did these folks get the upgrade and why is it taking so long to receive my shipment? - Floyd --------------------------------