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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 218

Today's Topics:
  RE: Looping with a drummer            [ R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compus ]
  Echoplex 6.0 upgrade (custom)         [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft ]
  Re: New Oberheim Plug                 [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft ]
  Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade              [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rar  [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: Re: Fripp tour?                   [ Marzzz@aol.com ]
  Re: Re: Andy Summers concert          [ Marzzz@aol.com ]
  RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rar  [ Michael Peters <MPeters@compuserve. ]
  RE: Looping with a drummer            [ spat@visi.com ]
  Andy Summers concert (Gear talk! No   [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft ]
  RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rar  [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rar  [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft ]
  Re: Andy Summers concert (Gear talk!  [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  FS: Lex Prime Time $375               [ "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Tra ]
  Re: FS: Lex Prime Time $375           [ PJBMHB@aol.com ]
  C'mon guys...                         [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft ]
  'plex foot controller                 [ Henry Throop <throop@bogart.Colorad ]
  Re: FS: Lex Prime Time $375           [ Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net> ]
  Re: 'plex foot controller             [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  WOW, my first Jamthing sighting!      [ "Bailey, Jim" <baileyj@donmspcn.cma ]
  Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can do   [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft ]
  Roland RE 800 - Anyone know this uni  [ Drumworker@aol.com ]

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:47:48 -0500
From: R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE:  Looping with a drummer
Message-ID: <199711261948_MC2-29C9-32AB@compuserve.com>
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Well, I am an (acoustic) drummer/ 
percussionist who also happens to do a 
bit of looping/signal processing. I've found that 
learning to play with loops has actually helped 
*improved* my time. 

I can't stress the importance of having good
monitoring! If I can't hear the loop well, there's no 
chance of grooving with it. It can be really frustrating 
otherwise. In situations where the monitoring is 
inadequate, I generally use headphones.

Another way I've found that works is to use a 
drum machine as a MIDI master to sync my 
looper (Jamman) and any others in the group. 
This has the added bonus of incorporating the 
*non-human* machine sounds into the brew. 
This can sometimes be a great combination. 
I usually record a loops or layers onto the machine 
beat and then either eliminate parts of the machine
beat or mute it entirely.  Sometimes I simply use 
delay and echo effects from an overhead microphone 
to create polyrhthms/ cacorhythms.
But this is wandering ... sorry.

I don't currently have any electrodrums so I 
haven't any advice in that regard. There are 
probably other drummers on this list with ideas, 
suggestions, etc. (P.S: I would love to hear from 
any of you percussive loopists too!)

Hello... any other drummonds out there??

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:13:52
From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Echoplex 6.0 upgrade (custom)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971127151352.3a67269c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>The problem is that Oberheim can't be bothered getting CE certification.
>>It is a disgrace that they aren't concerned with our safety in this way!
>Aren't you the same continent that thinks it's a good idea to run 220V all
>around the house?

Well, that's just a macho "ours is bigger than yours" thing.  The UK
actually runs 240V...

>I think I'm going to customize a "special" echoplex just for you Michael.
>Make sure you're standing barefoot in a puddle when you press the "mute"
>button....  :-)

Hahahahaha!
Ah, the Premanent Lifetime Mute Button?
"Well officer, he hit this and hasn't said much since... what's left of
him..."

Michael

PS further to our recent discussions on CE, I have now seen a CE sticker on
the back of a Jackson.  Which is funny, as Jacksons have often been the
source of loads of irritating noise...

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:23:37
From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: New Oberheim Plug
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971127152337.1a2f2ba2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>I'll refer you to the "review" on our web page at www.oberheim.com. 

Who wrote this review?  Is it.... objective?

>Personally, I think the GM1000 processing power and architecture is great,
even unique, >but the presets are (no offense) the Italian idea of Modern
Guitar sounds - heavy on >the "Steve Catheter" Toto Tones.

Why do Americans hate Steve Lukather so much??? What's the problem?

>In the meantime, demand that your local Favorite Music Retailer stock one,
check it out >and let me know what you think of it. The GM400 is a
single-rack, scaled-down version >that does less of the same. 

There's a big 2U Viscount processor that's been around a little while - is
this it?
Are there plans to OB-ise the 1/2-rack processor Viscount sell over here?

Michael 

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:41:21 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade
Message-Id: <v03007802b0a2bbfdc33b@[200.254.32.111]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>I am having great success with the new software upgrade!  I like the fact
>that (when brother or midi syncing) if you screw up a loop and erase it,
>you don't have to wait for the downbeat to come along before you can record
>another.

Yep, and we are going to do this for the synced Record, too.

Matthias

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:41:21 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs
Message-Id: <v03007805b0a2c487c4c7@[200.254.32.111]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Great! Matt in action!

>Well it looks like the current CD project will remain in the hands of Ray
>Peck.  He seemed reluctant to turn over the DATs to me and I don't feel
>like I'm in a position to demand them back.  He gave me no indication as to
>when the project will be completed...only that he needs to either a) find
>someone to transfer the DATs to CD-R so he can compile the tracks or b)
>wait for Event Electronics to ship their Layla soundcard so he can do the
>transfer.
>
>I offered to compile the DATs using ProTools and then dump everything to a
>master DAT.  Since I don't have the capability to burn CD-Rs, and given the
>fact that Mr. Peck wants to edit the Looper CD, I can't be of any further
>help.

Since its almost a year now, some people might have better material by now
and  send them in as a CD? I made some effort then to do so.
(Now I have my own cheap burner and must say it is very very handy!)

Today (!) I started to sell a limited series of 50CDs, home made, with
"perfect" lable and cover, numbered and signed, of a '95  recording
("Musica AguArianA para pensar-se"). I had a gig at night and sold the
first and the guy did not mind to pay 25$. Should I ask more? (I mean: $
for the CD :-)

After a really ripe slice of pinapple:
I could do that with all my old recordings. They are good and clean, but
never will turn into a ordinary CD (because I am preparing to record the
"real" one).
The mix is done live, so it might not be all that perfect. But all "error"
parts are cut out, usually inaudibly.
There are duos with all kinds of instruments...

Anyone interested? These documents about the developpment of the first
dedicated looping device might have a tremendous value in a few years... :-)

Matthias

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:51:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Marzzz@aol.com
To: jprice@intcpi.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Fripp tour?
Message-ID: <971127235135_1739442312@mrin46.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 11/26/97 12:28:42 PM, you wrote:

>Fripp is pretty light in the gear Department ( The Mobile, Globile
>concept or somethn to that effect, I think ) Sure he has rack mounts and
>synths embedded into his rig. But Im certain he could put his entire
>setup into the back seat of a Hyandai and still have room for a
>passenger to sit comfortablly along with his gear, if necessary.
>Fripp just doesnt carry around all of the equipment baggage that most
>world class guitarists seem to inately aspire to hording.
>For goodness sakes, Fripp doesnt even play thru an amp. 

I remember last year in the guitar Mags Fripp was explaining his gear, and
that he couldn't afford to have all his rack stuff shipped over from England.
It sounds to me like he tours with a manageable rack (in concert last year it
appeared to be a substantial 16-or 20-space rack) but has a ton of stuff at
home.....

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:55:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Marzzz@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk
Subject: Re:  Re:  Andy Summers concert
Message-ID: <971127235537_1437432963@mrin53.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 11/26/97 10:40:16 PM, you wrote:

>> And I'm not saying that 'cos I'm a Klein person - I have a particular
>fondness >for 335's as well. 
>
>Not _another_ Klein player!!  Where did all these wealthy guitarists come
>from???

We're not wealthy, once you play one it ruins you for everything else. We
beg, borrow, and steal! If you're interested I'm sure Lorenzo at Klein can
set you up with one, or refer you to a used on that become available at rare
intervals.....

Marshall (back to lurking)

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:18:49 -0500
From: Michael Peters <MPeters@compuserve.com>
To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs
Message-ID: <199711280219_MC2-29F2-E6BA@compuserve.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: inline

>Since its almost a year now, 
>some people might have better material by now
>and  send them in as a CD?

That's right, I think I have better material now, which I'd like to see on
a new CD (but I'd like to see the first CD as well).

>Today (!) I started to sell a limited series of 50CDs, home made, with
>"perfect" lable and cover, numbered and signed, of a '95  recording
>("Musica AguArianA para pensar-se"). 
>Anyone interested? 

Yes, I'd love to have one.

In fact, my plans are very similar - I think I'll be able to come up with a
limited CD edition of my recent looping improvisations in spring ... and
several other people on this list have their CDs ...

Maybe we could set up some kind of small central marketplace for our own
music (the official Looper's Delight CD, as well as our private efforts) on
the looper's delight website? Complete with descriptions, cover image, a
realaudio sample, bank account number, and email address? Would that make
sense, and is there enough disk space for that Kim?

___________
Michael Peters   
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters
HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want"
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:23:54 -0600
From: spat@visi.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE:  Looping with a drummer
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971128082354.0067b4bc@visi.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

       I'm not a drummer, nor do I play one on tv, but for recording
purposes I use a homebrew set of drum triggers with a drum machine as a
sound module, coupled with a mic'ed snare drum.  The snare lets me put in
lots of rolls, rimshots, and other brufordisms not possible to convincingly
program on a drum machine.  Sometimes I will get a loop/groove going by
playing a few bars of drums, but generally I find I can get the groove to
swing more if I start the loop with bass or piano, and layer the drums on
top of that.  This lets me practice my drumming skills and jam a bit before
committing the drums to the jamman.   The hardest thing about playing drums
to me is keeping the timing steady, but with the jamman I only gotta be
tight for a few bars and let it loop away.  I keep it real simple so I have
room to embellish later as the loop progresses and builds.   Before adding
more percussion to the loop, I change the reverb program on the drums to add
different layers of depth.  Or, if in a slighty mischievious or naughty
mood, well gosh,  I dial in one of those crazy vortex patches, all good
clean fun.  No "butt-looping", this.
       Right now in my looping, I am very much feeling the need to take that
next step, namely aquiring a method of storing and editing the loops into a
coherent form of sorts.  Others on the list are in the same quandary, so
c'mon  you more experienced loop-types you, share your methods with the list.
        <now imagining several sage loopers, Tolkiean in apperance, stroking
long gray beards and readjusting wizard hats while nodding slowly as they
ponder such plaintive pleas... nope, wait a minute, now I'm imagining a fat
guy in a bathrobe eating a sandwich. nevermind.>

      
     steve

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:15:49
From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Andy Summers concert (Gear talk!  No loops!)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971128111549.09dfb9f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>> And I'm not saying that 'cos I'm a Klein person - I have a particular
>>> fondness for 335's as well. 
>>Not _another_ Klein player!!  Where did all these wealthy guitarists come
>>from???
>We're not wealthy, once you play one it ruins you for everything else. We
>beg, borrow, and steal! If you're interested I'm sure Lorenzo at Klein can
>set you up with one, 

Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"?  These things cost $2-3000 don't they?

>or refer you to a used on that become available at rare
>intervals.....

Errr.... do they sell them on interest-free credit?   :)

Michael

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:56:47 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs
Message-Id: <v03102808b0a44064e785@[207.171.198.35]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 2:18 AM -0500 11/28/97, Michael Peters wrote:

>Maybe we could set up some kind of small central marketplace for our own
>music (the official Looper's Delight CD, as well as our private efforts) on
>the looper's delight website? Complete with descriptions, cover image, a
>realaudio sample, bank account number, and email address? Would that make
>sense, and is there enough disk space for that Kim?

yeah sure, go ahead. We can always buy more disk space. Right now there is
about 10MB available, which should be plenty for this.

I was thinking actually, if any of these official Looper's Delight cd's
make any money it might be nice to skim a little of the proceeds to help
pay for Looper's Delight's existence. Now I know this may come as a shock,
but LD actually doesn't exist for free. It would be great if it could
gradually become self-sufficient. My wallet would definitely be
appreciative! I was also thinking it would be cool to get our own domain
name, now that things are getting bigger. Stuff like that costs more money
of course, so I've put it off. But if we could figure out ways for the
whole thing to bring in a little trickle of income, it would work. The cd
thing would be a nice way.

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:56:58
From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971128115658.24f74a70@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>I offered to compile the DATs using ProTools and then dump everything to a
>>master DAT.  Since I don't have the capability to burn CD-Rs, and given the
>>fact that Mr. Peck wants to edit the Looper CD, I can't be of any further
>>help.

CDR aside, CD printing currently runs at about 700UK for 500 CDs. I imagine
it's probably cheaper in the US (maybe $750/500 CDs?)  That way, 10
contributors could contribute $75 and get 50 copies.  This assumes 7
minutes per contributor, on average.

>Since its almost a year now, some people might have better material by now
>and  send them in as a CD? I made some effort then to do so.
>(Now I have my own cheap burner and must say it is very very handy!)
>
>Today (!) I started to sell a limited series of 50CDs, home made, with
>"perfect" lable and cover, numbered and signed, of a '95  recording
>("Musica AguArianA para pensar-se"). 

Buy this recording, people.  Trust me.
I may buy one myself - I've nearly worn my tape copy out!
BTW Matthias, wouldn't pensar-se and viajar both fit on one CD?

>I had a gig at night and sold the
>first and the guy did not mind to pay 25$. Should I ask more? (I mean: $
>for the CD :-)

Well, it's better selling at $25 to someone who's happy to pay it than at
$30 to someone who finds it too expensive.  

>I could do that with all my old recordings. They are good and clean, but
>never will turn into a ordinary CD (because I am preparing to record the
>"real" one).
>The mix is done live, so it might not be all that perfect. But all "error"
>parts are cut out, usually inaudibly.
>There are duos with all kinds of instruments...

Woah!  Put me on the list for a copy NOW!!!!

>Anyone interested? These documents about the developpment of the first
>dedicated looping device might have a tremendous value in a few years... :-)

I imagine it would be strange for everybody with EDPs, thinking "this is
the music my Plex was made to make"...

Michael

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:30:41 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Andy Summers concert (Gear talk!  No loops!)
Message-Id: <v03102809b0a446e16de7@[207.171.198.35]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 11:15 AM -0800 11/28/97, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>> And I'm not saying that 'cos I'm a Klein person - I have a particular
>>>> fondness for 335's as well.
>>>Not _another_ Klein player!!  Where did all these wealthy guitarists come
>>>from???
>>We're not wealthy, once you play one it ruins you for everything else. We
>>beg, borrow, and steal!

yes, be extremely careful before you come in contact with a Klein guitar!
Within moments you will be blissfully filling out the order form, carefully
weighing the advantages of swamp ash vs maple, with dreams of trans-trems
floating in your head. Somewhere, locked in a closet deep in your brain,
will be a voice asking you how you expect to pay for this, but it will be
totally drowned out by that gorgeous tone.....

happened to me, at the frankfurt musik messe of all places, and I hardly
qualify as an impulse shopper.....

>>If you're interested I'm sure Lorenzo at Klein can
>>set you up with one,
>
>Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"?  These things cost $2-3000 don't they?

I wish... mine was quite a bit more with all of my customizing. The
translucent purple sunburst was worth every cent, though!  It looks so
great, I would be entirely happy if it was just a sculpture hanging on the
wall. The fact that it's also an awe-inspiring guitar is quite a nice
bonus. Definitely in the "gee, I guess I don't need to buy any more
guitars" category. (hopefully...)

of course, I cough up blood when the credit card bill arrives each
month....but what the hell, you're supposed to suffer for art right?

I had the same thing happen to me with the mesa triaxis. Stay away from
those, too. I won't even go near the home studio areas of the music store.
Way too dangerous.....

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: 28 Nov 1997 08:29:08 -0800
From: "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Travis@msgate.apple.com>
To: "Loopers Delight postings" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: FS: Lex Prime Time $375
Message-ID: <n1331423893.4176@msgate.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body"

FS: Lexicon Prime Time Delay/Sampler

Asking Price: US$375
Condition: Mint
Production Year: 1979
Description:

       In near mint condition, Memory expander board, performs delay,
repeat/hold, multiple tap outputs, serviced last year, operates
       perfectly.

       for more details,

       Isaiah

Seller: Isaiah Solomon, 303-629-6916
E-mail: zoosx@earthlink.net
Location: DENVER, CO
Post Date: 11/28/97

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:46:59 -0500 (EST)
From: PJBMHB@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: FS: Lex Prime Time $375
Message-ID: <971128094659_949365660@mrin52.mail.aol.com>

how many seconds of delay does this puppy have? =-) PJ

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:37:32
From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: C'mon guys...
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971128183732.0a473bbc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi everybody,

This is a second call for anybody remotely connected to the music
electronics business - Tom, Greg, Bob, Kim, Matthias, Jon etc to send me
something about their experiences in said trade.  Good news, bad news,
_anything_ for my Electronics with Music undergrads.
My meeting with them is on Monday, so I'd _really_ appreciate some of you
guys sending me some stuff today (or over the next couple of days).  Just a
couple of lines!

This is in no way to neglect the wonderful reply that Motley sent (thanks
Motley!) - but the more the merrier!

Thanks,

Michael

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:59:40 -0700 (MST)
From: Henry Throop <throop@bogart.Colorado.EDU>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: 'plex foot controller
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.971128114806.23958A-100000@bogart.Colorado.EDU>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Thanks to Tom, I just ordered a brand new 'plex from Professional Music &
Sound in San Diego ($525 / 1 MB).  

Tentatively, I also orderd the foot controller too.  However, I've heard
enough ramblings againt the unit that I wonder if there's another option I
should look at instead; e.g., something with heavier-duty or
better-feeling buttons.  Any suggestions?  I'm open to re-wiring or 
gutting something that almost fits the bill.

(I happened to see that Roland sells a unit called the FC-7 with seven
stompbox-style buttons that looks like it would be easy enough to wire up.
Has anyone used this?  I've got a lack of stores around here to actually
try out equipment.)

btw, Professional Sound & Music had a new JamMan listed for $340 on their
clearance page, www.prosound.com / (619) 583-7851.  Someone will get this,
I'm sure.

-henry
throop@colorado.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:21:58 -0800
From: Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: FS: Lex Prime Time $375
Message-Id: <v03007800b0a45619c571@[1.1.1.9]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>how many seconds of delay does this puppy have? =-) PJ

There were two models.  The first one had only 2 seconds of delay time.
Then the unit was upgraded to 8 seconds.  I'm not sure how to tell the
difference between the two units, without trying it out.  I think they
might have called the upgraded version Prime Time II.  ANyone have any more
info on this?

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:01:03 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: 'plex foot controller
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I've been using my footpedal for years with no problems. They are so simple
in design, that there is hardly anything to go wrong. And they are quite
ruggedly constructed out of sheet metal. Some people tend to stomp on them
rather than tap, and since you will be using the switches a lot there is
some chance that you will break them if you do that. On several occasions
I've met people who literally stomp on it with cowboy boots, and then are
surprised that they broke the switch after a few thousand uses. Those are
usually where the "ramblings" are coming from. If you are not the sort that
does that, then don't worry about it. Get the efc-7 pedal, which is all
nicely labeled and ready to go, and see if you have any problem with it.

Then if you really feel you need something different, building a custom
pedal is fairly straightforward. The hardest part is actually finding
switches that you like for tapping out delays. I tried a lot of them and
actually wound up back at the red mouser switch used in the echoplex pedal.
Everything else was either too stiff, or too loose, or the throw was too
long, or I couldn't feel the contact point accurately. I don't have any of
those problems with the efc-7 pedal.

And if you ever do stomp a switch into oblivion, remember that they only
cost $.50 from Mouser and are simple to replace.

kim


>Thanks to Tom, I just ordered a brand new 'plex from Professional Music &
>Sound in San Diego ($525 / 1 MB).
>
>Tentatively, I also orderd the foot controller too.  However, I've heard
>enough ramblings againt the unit that I wonder if there's another option I
>should look at instead; e.g., something with heavier-duty or
>better-feeling buttons.  Any suggestions?  I'm open to re-wiring or
>gutting something that almost fits the bill.
>
>(I happened to see that Roland sells a unit called the FC-7 with seven
>stompbox-style buttons that looks like it would be easy enough to wire up.
>Has anyone used this?  I've got a lack of stores around here to actually
>try out equipment.)
>
>btw, Professional Sound & Music had a new JamMan listed for $340 on their
>clearance page, www.prosound.com / (619) 583-7851.  Someone will get this,
>I'm sure.
>
>-henry
>throop@colorado.edu


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Date:Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:00:00 -0500
From: "Bailey, Jim" <baileyj@donmspcn.cmail.southam.ca>
To: looppost <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: WOW, my first Jamthing sighting!
Message-ID: <347F4C92@199.71.37.25>

I have finally seen my first Jamentity in the wild. Part of a free-improv 
trio, the guitarist (a guy named Justin Haynes) had one connected to an 
Alesis Quadraverb (I think), and a bunch of FX pedals. Some good stuff, and 
very unusual loops including reverse signals. I hope to have him on my radio 
show soon, so may have more info on him then (he ain't got access to this 
web thingy).

Jim Bailey

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:45:06
From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Gear talk!  No loops! (If Kim can do it...)
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Kim said:

>>Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"?  These things cost $2-3000 don't
they?
>
>I wish... mine was quite a bit more with all of my customizing. The
>translucent purple sunburst was worth every cent, though! 

I can see myself explaining _that_ to my wife!  "But honey, it's _purple_!"

> Definitely in the "gee, I guess I don't need to buy any more
>guitars" category. (hopefully...)

I said that 9 months after I started playing guitar, when my Squier was
superceded by my Levinson Blade R4 - about $1000 in 1989.  I bought it with
my first month's wages ever - left me with $100 to live on for the month...
Over 8 years later I still have that guitar, and haven't bought another.
That would involve selling the Blade - somehow I've never managed to name
her.  Not that I haven't been tempted to trade - on a weekly basis - but
something just stops me inside.  It says "you'll never get her back".

>of course, I cough up blood when the credit card bill arrives each
>month....but what the hell, you're supposed to suffer for art right?

Hey, why don't you just send the bill back with "You have to suffer for my
art" written on it!  (After all, most people suffer for mine just by
listening to it...)

>I had the same thing happen to me with the mesa triaxis. Stay away from
>those, too. I won't even go near the home studio areas of the music store.
>Way too dangerous.....

I won't, trust me.  At the moment I'm desperate for their Subway Blues
"budget" combo (ie about $800 over here - must be getting that darn CE...),
and I can't afford _that_!

Michael

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:20:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Drumworker@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Roland RE 800 - Anyone know this unit?
Message-ID: <971128182050_833387847@mrin53.mail.aol.com>

Everyone,

I've seen a Roland RE 800 Digital Delay for sale and I'm wondering if anyone
knows anything about it? The store doesn't have the manual and the only way
to really try the thing is to buy it. Any info about how good/useful this
unit is would be appreciated.

Many Thanks,
Paul O.
"Drumworker@aol.com"

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