------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 219 Today's Topics: So long lunch money! [ "Chris Darrow" ] Re: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can [ Kim Flint ] Re: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can [ DENNIS PISKO ] Re: Top 40 loops [ Bopster ] Re: Klein talk! No loops! (If Kim ca [ Marzzz@aol.com ] Re: Klein talk! No loops! (If Kim ca [ PJBMHB@aol.com ] Re: Looper CD update [ ANET@aol.com ] Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rar [ ANET@aol.com ] Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rar [ ANET@aol.com ] Re: Kleins (OLC) [ KingsleyD@aol.com ] RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rar [ Michael Peters ] Domain Name/Server Charges [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] Re: Top 40 loops [ ZeplinSoup@aol.com ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 10:15:18 PST From: "Chris Darrow" To: "Loopers" Subject: So long lunch money! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second the second request for info on the electronics of electronic musicianship! And Matthias, yes I'm interested. I'm broke, but will find a way. (If I can't have my Plexes, why not listen to them!) So I guess e-mail me personally (adress below) and we'll get it figured out. However, I would like to know more about it, and perhaps other's on the list would too. Asuming the music can be described, even abstractly, what's it like? What sort of form? Short or long tracks? How long's the CD? How many tracks? What sort of style(s)? Instrumentation? Do you use different techniques or tricks on different tracks. What are they? etc. Oh, and of course, the G word... (G__r) Furthermore, it would really make it worth it for me if, publically or as a seperate CD insert when you send it, you jot down something personal about what it all means to you, where you come from, how you ended up doing what you're doing, etc. (You too, kim!) This stuff is not only food-for-living but directly influnces listening. I usually listen to a CD, read the insert, then listen again. Thanks. chris sound@soli.inav.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:27:40 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Michael said: >Kim said: > >>>Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"? These things cost $2-3000 don't >they? >> >>I wish... mine was quite a bit more with all of my customizing. The >>translucent purple sunburst was worth every cent, though! > >I can see myself explaining _that_ to my wife! "But honey, it's _purple_!" Actually, my girlfriend had creative control over that aspect of it. She's far more visually artistic than I am, and it came out great. She got a piece of scrap swamp ash from Lorenzo and painted it the way she wanted. Then Lorenzo had to go trucking all over Northern California to find someone who could duplicate it on the guitar. He found a guy who did it perfectly, and subsequently had some sort of emotional breakdown and hasn't been available for painting guitars since. (Guitar painters seem to be a rather unstable lot, must be the fumes.) So mine is quite unique. Anyway, this approach seemed to greatly ease the relationship issues of spending large quantities of cash on toys for me. Plus, Lorenzo let's my girlfriend feed the llamas when we go up there, which seems to help. Still, I'm definitely in a weakened position when it comes time to complain about excess household expenditures.... I'm not sure how you might do this with a looper. Maybe you say, "gee Honey, you could bitch at me so much more easily if you just sampled yourself and let it loop for a while. Think how much time you could save!" heh, no actually that probably wouldn't work.... >>of course, I cough up blood when the credit card bill arrives each >>month....but what the hell, you're supposed to suffer for art right? > >Hey, why don't you just send the bill back with "You have to suffer for my >art" written on it! (After all, most people suffer for mine just by >listening to it...) "well golly, Michael said it was ok...." >>I had the same thing happen to me with the mesa triaxis. Stay away from >>those, too. I won't even go near the home studio areas of the music store. >>Way too dangerous..... > >I won't, trust me. At the moment I'm desperate for their Subway Blues >"budget" combo (ie about $800 over here - must be getting that darn CE...), >and I can't afford _that_! No, that has nothing to do with CE. Mesa amps cost a fortune here, too. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:48:06 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Message-ID: <347F9E86.21DF@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim Flint wrote: > > Michael said: > >Kim said: > > > >>>Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"? These things cost $2-3000 don't > >they? > >> > >>I wish... mine was quite a bit more with all of my customizing. The > >>translucent purple sunburst was worth every cent, though! > > > >I can see myself explaining _that_ to my wife! "But honey, it's _purple_!" > > Actually, my girlfriend had creative control over that aspect of it. She's > far more visually artistic than I am, and it came out great. She got a > piece of scrap swamp ash from Lorenzo and painted it the way she wanted. > Then Lorenzo had to go trucking all over Northern California to find > someone who could duplicate it on the guitar. He found a guy who did it > perfectly, and subsequently had some sort of emotional breakdown and hasn't > been available for painting guitars since. (Guitar painters seem to be a > rather unstable lot, must be the fumes.) So mine is quite unique. > > Anyway, this approach seemed to greatly ease the relationship issues of > spending large quantities of cash on toys for me. Plus, Lorenzo let's my > girlfriend feed the llamas when we go up there, which seems to help. Still, > I'm definitely in a weakened position when it comes time to complain about > excess household expenditures.... > > I'm not sure how you might do this with a looper. Maybe you say, "gee > Honey, you could bitch at me so much more easily if you just sampled > yourself and let it loop for a while. Think how much time you could save!" > heh, no actually that probably wouldn't work.... > > >>of course, I cough up blood when the credit card bill arrives each > >>month....but what the hell, you're supposed to suffer for art right? > > > >Hey, why don't you just send the bill back with "You have to suffer for my > >art" written on it! (After all, most people suffer for mine just by > >listening to it...) > > "well golly, Michael said it was ok...." > > >>I had the same thing happen to me with the mesa triaxis. Stay away from > >>those, too. I won't even go near the home studio areas of the music store. > >>Way too dangerous..... > > > >I won't, trust me. At the moment I'm desperate for their Subway Blues > >"budget" combo (ie about $800 over here - must be getting that darn CE...), > >and I can't afford _that_! > > No, that has nothing to do with CE. Mesa amps cost a fortune here, too. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like the klien sound I have heard. I live in ct. Does anyone have any suggestions about how I could sit down and play one? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:37:36 +0100 From: Bopster To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Top 40 loops Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971129123736.006a02fc@mail.dlc.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hlo loopers, This comes perhaps a bit late, but one top 40 group which is quite fond of loops is "Garbage". Perhaps best classified as decadent, dirty, pop songs for the slightly crooked. Another pop/rock group which has been looping since 1993 is U2. And of course drum loops are very commmon in the drum/bass genre (check out Bowie's earthling album). Enjoy your day, Bopster ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:04:24 -0500 (EST) From: Marzzz@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, pisko@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Klein talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Message-ID: <971129110423_-1775071356@mrin44.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/97 11:56:46 PM, pisko wrote: >I like the klien sound I have heard. I live in ct. Does anyone have any >suggestions about how I could sit down and play one? Call Lorenzo German of Klein Electric Guitars at 707-938-4189. He can do one of two things for you: 1) Refer you to a guitarist with a Klein guitar in your area who is willing to let you check out their guitar (e.g., in the Chicago area, you would come see me) or- 2) Send you a demo guitar in exchange for a refundable deposit ($3000 last time I checked) and you would have a week or two to play and evaluate it. I did this option and got to play the Klein in my home with my amp for two weeks, and fell in love with the guitar. The funny thing was, the first couple of times I played it I though it was nice but not spectacular, but then all the little subtleties started revealing themselves- I was playing better with ease, the tone became addictive, etc. etc. When I got my Klein several months later, it was even better! Mine is a translucent ruby red swamp ash with subtle burst, solid rosewood neck, Barden pickups, and S-Trem. Like Kim, I could just stare at this guitar and be happy, but when I play it......!!!!! btw- I have a Steinberger guitar for sale, excellent condition for a good price.... Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:09:52 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Message-ID: <971129110952_-2141232430@mrin45.mail.aol.com> just don't drop it if you get a loaner!! =-) PJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:59:30 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update Message-ID: <971129125930_1340255402@mrin86.mail.aol.com> No problem, thanks for the update. Let's move on and start the second CD project as was suggested by Kim. I have some acoustic guitar work that I would like to submit for approval. Excellent idea keeping a cd project alive on a continuous basis. I don't have a lot to offer digitally, but I do have analog equipment for mix downs and final tape submissions (archaic, but effective). Let me know. Here's another idea, CDs by music genre! As mentioned earlier, I'm a real acoutic guitar fan and could see an entire cd made of acoutic guitar loopers. Just a thought, Thanks!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Message-ID: <971129131645_344730613@mrin83.mail.aol.com> I'm very interested in this project. Now in setting up your suggestions on the net, I have been doing some investigative work on credit card orders via the net etc., as well as studying java etc. etc. A simple web page is no problem, but adding the commercial end of it will take some dinero to get it started. In fact, there seems to be a lot of plug and play apps that would allow website visitors to put stuff into their shoping cart, credit card validators and even the concept of a 1-900 number which could offer other services that would be automatically charged to a customer's phone account. Just wondering if there are any expert webmasters out there that have set up the total thing? Send a reply and tell us where your site is located. P.S. There are other issues as well of which a CPA or Lawyer looper could advise, such as tax numbers and incorportation etc. etc. Not to push, but this will need to be done if money exchanges hands. You know, Uncle Sam = bad dude. Food for thought. Any CPA or Lawyer loopers out there that know this stuff? There will need to be project manager as well who sets up timelines and deliverables as well. This person would be the cheif overseer and whip-meister. Perhaps the first project died because there was no skin in the game. What if there was an up front charge of $50 - $100 for music submissions? Or an initial group of investors to get it off the ground. Say a $50 buy-in of which the first two or three CDs are mailed to you free. At this point, we would need a marketer, someone who is a business major and knows how to market stuff. Then there's the technicians who collect and edit tapes etc. etc. The could be spread all around the country, with the details predefined as to what the job requirements are, for example: Tape collectors who listen to tapes and convert say, just one song to digital format on their PCs and submit them to the DAT facility, that way the conversion efforts are not all on one shoulder. Anyway enough is enough, Think about it, I am sure we have something here and it will become a big thing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:21:16 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Message-ID: <971129132116_-187573514@mrin83.mail.aol.com> Absolutely the right direction. I would be willing to help register a domain name, I think it's about $100 and would donate half to the effort. As far as disk space for a sample page, I think there are enough free sites or low cost providers that we can get 20 meg for $20/month. Why don't you set up a list of expenses and publish them to see what the reply would bring. Go for it!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:27:19 -0500 (EST) From: KingsleyD@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kleins (OLC) Message-ID: <971129162719_-1638125015@mrin51.mail.aol.com> >Not _another_ Klein player!! Where did all these wealthy guitarists come >from??? Hmmm... in (fellow looper & Kleinholder) Jon's & my case, from the same family! As for acquiring the Klein, I sold some other guitars (a Les Paul & an ES-175) and worked at the Klein booth at summer NAMM to raise the cash. It took the better part of four years from when I decided I wanted one to when I finally got one - a custom-made one, that is; I've had an older one, which I found lying around Washington Music Ctr, for a few years. As for Jon, he's done some work for KEG himself, and part of his paycheck was in the form of a gtr. (Or part of his gtr was in the form of a paycheck; I'm not really sure how much cash changed hands & in which direction) In any case, I'd say enterprising, rather than wealthy, would be the proper epithet. My guitar may be cool but my rack is pretty impoverished. (only *one* jamman, sob, sob...) I will say that, as with Kim, Marshall, and other Klein owners, my GAS is pretty much in remission, the American Standard Strat I recently purchased notwithstanding. (it's a toy) My advice is to figure out a way to come up with the cash or the credit. It's one fantastic instrument. Kim, I didn't know yours was *purple*. I'm jealous! Lorenzo talked me out of purple and into red, or "pomegranate" to use LG's term. Off to see Andy Summers again tonight! After my near-slanderous post, I went & bought the new CD anyway. I *really* enjoy it. AS must have had an off night. I guess we'll see. --Kingsley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:00:57 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Message-ID: <199711300501_MC2-2A1D-6F26@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline hi ANET, >there seems to be a lot of plug and play apps that would allow website >visitors to put stuff into their shoping cart, credit card validators >and even the concept of a 1-900 number which could offer other services >that would be automatically charged to a customer's phone account. >Just wondering if there are any expert webmasters out there that have set up >the total thing? Send a reply and tell us where your site is located. I'm currently working (in my day job) on an e-commerce application (SQLServer/Livewire) which is almost finished and contains hierarchical catalogues, shopping cart functions, email order - but not the credit card stuff (yet) (the customers we have so far don't want/need that). Anyway, don't you think this goes a little too far at this point? We don't even have the CD yet, and once we have it, I doubt that we could sell more than a couple dozen (unless a record company gets interested and puts marketing dollars into it). Maybe I'm wrong ... What I had in mind was just an easier way to find out about other looper's CDROM projects - a simple online catalogue like the Discipline label website, containing information about, for example, Matthias Grob's CDROM. This could be done without too much effort, and wouldn't need credit card validation and lawyers. >I would be willing to help register a domain name, >I think it's about $100 It's about $100 *each year*. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm in Germany where prices might be different.) ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:43:21 GMT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Message-Id: <24633.199711301243@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Absolutely the right direction. I would be willing to help register a domain >name, I think it's about $100 and would donate half to the effort. I thought it was much cheaper than that - there are often banners on search pages advertising "yourname.com" services for $40/year I think. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:58:04 GMT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Message-Id: <24964.199711301258@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kim said: >Michael said: >>I can see myself explaining _that_ to my wife! "But honey, it's _purple_!" >Actually, my girlfriend had creative control over that aspect of it. She's >far more visually artistic than I am, and it came out great. I would do this, except I know the resulting product would be solid pink. My wife recently found a pink Japanese 62 reissue Strat in a mail order catalog. "If we got that I might actually learn to play guitar." I pointed out that the Blade R4 was the same shape of instrument, and far superior in every other respect. "But it's not pink...." >Then Lorenzo had to go trucking all over Northern California to find >someone who could duplicate it on the guitar. He found a guy who did it >perfectly, and subsequently had some sort of emotional breakdown and hasn't >been available for painting guitars since. Do you realise that, if it's sooo difficult to reproduce, you may have been responsible for his breakdown?? >I'm not sure how you might do this with a looper. Maybe you say, "gee >Honey, you could bitch at me so much more easily if you just sampled >yourself and let it loop for a while. Think how much time you could save!" >heh, no actually that probably wouldn't work.... Wait, I have an idea! Wait till 3am, record a loop of "let's sell the car and buy a Klein" and run it, ever so quietly, by the bed for a few hours. Now _that_ would be occult looping!!! :) >>Hey, why don't you just send the bill back with "You have to suffer for my >>art" written on it! (After all, most people suffer for mine just by >>listening to it...) >"well golly, Michael said it was ok...." ..OK, that depends if it's Visa or MC.... >>I won't, trust me. At the moment I'm desperate for their Subway Blues >>"budget" combo (ie about $800 over here - must be getting that darn CE...), >>and I can't afford _that_! >No, that has nothing to do with CE. Mesa amps cost a fortune here, too. Yes, tho' I think the Subway Blues retails over there for about half that. No that's not due to CE, it's import duty and shipping which has always made US product expensive over here (and UK product like Marshall more expensive over there). The funniest part is when UK-made Celestion speakers get put in American amps (incurring shipping and tax) before being shipped to the Uk (incurring more shipping and tax).... no-one seems to just import unloaded cabs! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 07:30:28 -0800 From: JT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971130073028.006bd17c@mail.nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Michael PETERS wrote: >It's about $100 *each year*. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm in Germany where >prices might be different.) Internic registration in the US is $50/yr, but you have to pay the first two years in advance ($100). After the first two, you can pay year to year. Michael PYCRAFT wrote: >I thought it was much cheaper than that - there are often banners on search >pages advertising "yourname.com" services for $40/year I think. That is for the actual hosting service after the internic registration. And $40/yr. is cheap enough that I would probably avoid it. It sounds too good to be true. JT ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:14:47 -0800 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Domain Name/Server Charges Message-ID: <01bcfdb3$75be2460$5923dacf@75014556> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been doing some investigation on this for my own purposes. First off by my own experiences domain registration costs $100, paid to Internic; this covers two years of registration for a site, and, in the case of you having your own server, gives you a static IP address as well. On servers, I've found a bunch named aitnet.com that offers for a start $14.95/month per server. They offer 25MB storage gratis, as well as stuff like live net broadcasting. I'm looking into this group to transplant earthlight.net until I've got my box-at-home for this purpose. What I'm doing in the meantime is staying with Primenet, while using a forwarding agent to send everything addressed to earthlight.net mail-wise to me, as well as redirect requests to that domain to my Primenet locale. Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:35:26 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Message-ID: <971130163526_1483909939@mrin38> Yes, thanks for checking me, I got a little excited about the concept, but hey if I weren't a dreamer, I probably would not be a musician. Someone else had posted the idea of a group of people contributing to say a initial 500 cds or so, of which would be split among the investors to market on their own. This sounds like a very good starting point of which we could see the response and then discuss the internet marketing approach. I don't know, I just feel that looping is really a new art that has not caught on yet and the potential audience would be enormous. For example, look at the popularity of the new-age music phenomena (Yanni and others), and groups such as Manheim Steamroller etc. etc. In fact, a local radio station in Minneapolis has a Sunday "Musical Starstreams" show that is very popular. Not that these folks are loopers, but they have a corner a a certain market. As to the 2nd CD project, I am not a producer so I don't know the steps, but I would think we would need someone to collect the submissions, perhaps someone that will have a track on the cd (to keep the interest) and then 2) Decide the order of materials and do whatever engineering work necessary. I am assuming that each artist would send a fully mixed down version. Now I could see that submissions could be rejected if they don't meet certain requirements such as tape hiss, db levels etc. etc. If they were rejected, then the producer would need to decide if that artist would need to remix or wait for the next CD etc. etc. However, prior to the final stuff being sent to production, there would be a formal review or selections and a check off of general content and each artist's final approval. From there, it's off to the presses. As far as economics, I see 1)Kim needing something, 2) The producer needing something and then 3) The artists being delivered the final product of which they market and report back to the group the success of the sales. etc. etc. From there, who knows? Thinking out loud again. Any dates in mind? Thanks; John Peters ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:56:09 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: domain name stuff Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:30 AM -0800 11/30/97, JT wrote: >Michael PETERS wrote: >>It's about $100 *each year*. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm in Germany where >>prices might be different.) > >Internic registration in the US is $50/yr, but you have to pay the first >two years in advance ($100). After the first two, you can pay year to year. that's right. >Michael PYCRAFT wrote: >>I thought it was much cheaper than that - there are often banners on search >>pages advertising "yourname.com" services for $40/year I think. > >That is for the actual hosting service after the internic registration. >And $40/yr. is cheap enough that I would probably avoid it. It sounds too >good to be true. > >JT There's usually a good reason why it's that cheap. Probably they make most of their income of advertising and selling addressess to spammers. Or their servers are extremely old and slow, meaning page downloads will take forever. Plus a lot of people use them to send spam, meaning the host gets blocked by anti-spam programs on all of the other servers in the world. I'd stay very far away from anything like that. A more typical web hosting charge is about $30/month for the basic level. For that you should get fast, reliable servers, tech support people, 25-50MB of disk space, proper management of domain name serving, mail forwarding, and that's about it. Things like email accounts, mailing list serving, statistical reports on site hits, etc usually have some additional fee. If we were going to switch Looper's Delight to it's own domain and server environment (outside of my account), I would only want to do the professional, correct way. I wouldn't want to take a chance on things getting completely screwed up on some fly-by-night ISP scam. And before we made the correct change, I would want to be sure that it had somehow developed a reliable trickle of income to support it's costs over an indefinite period of time. Until we manage to get that organized, it will probably stay the way it is. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:39:22 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Top 40 loops Message-ID: <971130193921_-462685005@mrin79> my 2bits---->sections of songs that are repeated with respect to a form ( AABA , ABBACBA ,ect) are loops Top 40,jazz,blues,boogie woogie,and,and,.... - --------------------------------