------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 226 Today's Topics: Michael Hedges [ Kim Flint ] Re: Michael Hedges [ PJBMHB ] Re: Loop Length [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] RE: Loop Length [ David Kirkdorffer ] Re: Michael Hedges [ andre ] RE: a tape for Euroloopers? [ Michael Peters ] Re: CD / loops in South America [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: Loop Length [ David Myers ] Re: Loop Length [ "Randy Jones" ] RE: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word [ Michael Peters ] Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word [ Kim Flint ] Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDo [ Fmplautus ] Re: Idea about the Looper CD from Lo [ PJBMHB ] Steve Morse and Looping [ "future perfect" ] [phiba-improv] Stick night @ LionFis [ JSPEEr ] Re: Loop Length [ David Myers ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:47:55 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Michael Hedges Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not exactly about looping, but I heard yesterday that Michael Hedges was killed in a car accident a few days ago and thought some of you might want to know. Tragic....he was only 43. His music had a big influence upon me once upon a time; caused me to see my instrument as filled with possibilities I had never imagined before. I never did see him play live.....and I never had and idea how he played most of the stuff he did. It seemed very technically difficult, but it never stopped being great music. If you've got one of his albums, pull it out and give it a listen. I've got _Live on the Double Planet_ on now..... kim Windham Hill Artist Michael Hedges Killed in Auto Accident 09:04 a.m. Dec 04, 1997 Eastern BEVERLY HILLS, Calif.--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Dec. 4, 1997-- Windham Hill Records' solo guitarist Michael Hedges was killed at age 43 in an automobile accident over the weekend. The car was found yesterday by authorities off Highway 128 near the town of Boonville, Calif., outside of Mendocino, Calif. The accident is currently under investigation. Hedges was born in Sacramento, Calif. and grew up in Oklahoma. He last resided in Mendocino. He is survived by his mother, Ruth Ipsen, of Fresno, Calif., a sister, Carol Hedges of San Francisco, two brothers, Craig Hedges of Los Angeles and Brendan Hedges of Madera, Calif., and two sons, Mischa, 11, and Jasper, 13 of Mendocino. Respected worldwide for his pioneering solo guitar technique, Hedges joined the label in 1980, releasing his first record, "Breakfast in the Fields," in 1981. Subsequent releases included the Grammy-nominated "Aerial Boundaries" (1984), "Taproot" (also nominated for a Grammy in 1990) and Oracle (1996). His final recording, an acoustic composition titled "Java Man," will appear on an upcoming Windham Hill compilation titled "The Sounds of Wood & Steel" on Jan. 27, 1998. The family requests that donations be sent directly to "Children of Michael Hedges," c/o Bank of America, 228 N. Main Street, Ft. Bragg, Calif. 95437 (See also: http://www.businesswire.com) Copyright 1997, Business Wire ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:34:55 EST From: PJBMHB To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Michael Hedges Message-ID: <32da73b9.34886695@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit wow, that really sucks!! =-( PJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:46:29 -0800 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Loop Length Message-ID: <003c01bd01be$ddc79320$f33bd4cc@sgoodman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Kata asked: >This may sound like a silly question since the trend is toward longer looping times, but what is your favorite length of loop? I vary between 3-7.6 seconds as my usual base, since that's the comfort zone my Digitech unit has (a limit of 7.6 seconds, obviously). I can also utilize delays in my QuadraVerb+ to give a spatial illusion of sorts, and give the impression of varying loop length. In cases where I've had a yen for longer times, I capture it into a .WAV file and multi-track it with CoolEdit Pro, using either the Loop Duplicate and/or live input, then putting tracks on top of that. Lately I've been working on a series of pieces that are on average 3-5 minutes in length, that are useable in a variety of textures.... One of them is on my *new* tape [nudge, nudge, wink, wink], and entitled "Happy Pants". Other samples from the work may be found at my Studios page, URL'ed below. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:52:36 -0700 (CST) From: Kevin Simonson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Michael Hedges Message-Id: <199712052152.AA073378756@eagle.uis.edu> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 331 I would suggest anyonewho feels the need to express direct your browsers to http://www.nomadland.com THere are some beautiful postings on the discussion group. sigh. -- Kevin Simonson Computer Science Graduate Program University of Illinois - Springfield simonson@uis.edu "Knock loudly, they just installed new padding..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:11:12 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Mike.Biffle@wj.com'" , 'Loopers Delight' , Mark@asisoftware.com Subject: RE: Loop Length Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A52@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain Interesting question! I have also found my phrasing naturally starts loops of about 7-15 seconds generally. However, I also purposely start loops of 20-60 seconds just to really create some space. On the other extreme, I play a game to see how short is the shortest loop I can build from - Multiplying these "micro-loops" can be quite interesting. -----Original Message----- From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com [SMTP:Mike.Biffle@wj.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 1:29 PM To: 'Loopers Delight'; Mike.Biffle@wj.com; Mark@asisoftware.com Subject: Re: Loop Length I usually end up with something in the 4 bar / 16 beat range. That is probably around the same 7-12 second range you state. When I'm in delay mode is where I really get into longer time values. BTW, I'm a 32 sec JamMan user. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Loop Length Author: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) at INTERNET Date: 12/5/97 1:11 PM This may sound like a silly question since the trend is toward longer looping times, but what is your favorite length of loop? I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. Occasionally, I find extremely short loops (under 500 milliseconds) to be fun, too. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:22:11 EST From: Ruffass To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Michael Hedges Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit please unsubscribe me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 03:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Michael Hedges Message-Id: <199712060837.DAA29215@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, Kim.. i had the sad, yet impossible now to forget , experience of seeing Micheal's last show, last sunday night at the club bene in sayreville nj... he played an amazing show, having seen him 6-8 times over the last dozen or so years. i remember marveling still at him devasting technique, which he delivered with total ease and calm..cracking jokes between every few songs. he also goofed around, using a manikin's head as a holder for his headphone mic.. and bouncing around on a kid's giant play ball. he would take a set break, do yoga, and come back energized and kickin' i'll never forget this show, i'm gonna write the whole experience down one day, esp. the cool converstaion i had with him and other fans post show. he would always come out and rap, sign , just hang out with fans/friends.. please check out his music if you never has. he was the human loop machine. andre' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 05:07:50 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: a tape for Euroloopers? Message-ID: <199712060507_MC2-2AF5-C557@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>although I doubt that it would make any sense musically. >...but of course it would! Look at the musical >success of the Eurovision Song Contest! >(This is a joke that non-europeans may not get) >"Norvege - nul points" :) ROFL! ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:38:38 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop Length Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971206153838.0c27d93e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. I concur with this. I think the main reason for updating to 32 secs wasn't sor 32-sec loops, but to allow me to do shorter loops without fear of running out of time. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 10:01:33 EST From: ANET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word and contracts Message-ID: <5bbd93a0.348968d0@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kim; I'm not a business major, but basically there are different types of business partnerships. One is known as an S-Corp. where people get together and sign some papers which state they are now in business as whatever. It requires a filing at the state level and identifies the people and assumed business name. From there tax ids and other stuff is required. Contracts are very important for this effort. If people do not have a clear vision of what is owed them based on their contributions and someone starts making a whole bunch of moola on it, get ready to find a chat room for fighting legal battles. So, two issues which you may want to investigate would be the contracts for the producers to issue to the contributors, and then what you need to do to incorporate so that your corporation is liable and not you. Hey, I am not a lawyer and don't know this stuff, but at some point, this is a necessary step. Thanks; John Peters (ANET@AOL.COM) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:13:52 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD / loops in South America Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Siobhan: >>If you are considering doing more than one CD, you could do them on a >>regional basis. Have the loopers in each area organize, choose, each >>region gets a side of a double CD or their own or whatever. That way the >>work gets broken out to various people, the product is more effective in >>terms of promoting gigs, it might even be a vehicle to meet each other and >>perform together. Might be too involved but its a thought.... Yes, don't "overglobalize" :-). Maybe region it not the strongest criteria though... Then Dr Pycraft: >This could be cool - FE we have enough European loopers on LD to make a go >of it. Sure, I can give you the contact of about 80 LOOP delay users! (I actually should have informed them about the list and... I feel just embarrassed to tell them that there are still no Plexes in my good old Europe... >I guess the US would spit into vaguely East/West lines, and so forth. >(Matthias will probably get most of the S. America disc to himself!) :-) Actually I am not the only one here. I just sold a few LOOP delays here and the users start grabbing it. This week I showed it to Lazzo, a great african reggae singer, and he immediately created incredible structures of rythm voices and melodies, reminding the south african choir tradition, as he commented himself. We also discussed other aplications with the band. He suggested that I should operate a Plex a the main desk (I mix his live sound) with a pedal extension to him. I think we will have to use two mic lines to transport the pedal control from the stage to the desk and the Plex output to the stage mixer. I wonder how long it will take until we are really able to execute such stuff at the precision he demands. I have written before about percussionist Bira Reis. We also have Miguel from Sao Paulo on the list. He uses the JamMan for sounds that you might rather expect from NY than from SA, but its cool, unique! In Rio, Ramiro Musotto is trying to build his (at least localy) famous percussion work into a combination of sampling and plexing. I heard of a flute player, too, and there must be more... The internationally most famous might be Nana Vasconcelos who uses a little Boss pedal to make his voice fly over his percussion playing. So, yes, we could do a CD of percussion/voice loops. Meanwhile I prefer to participate on a "northern" version... Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:31:51 -0500 From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop Length Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times >when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. > >I concur with this. I think the main reason for updating to 32 secs wasn't >sor 32-sec loops, but to allow me to do shorter loops without fear of >running out of time. > >Michael With the Oberheim Echoplex, I like to set up a 1 sec loop, record a bit and then multiply it out to maybe 16 sec, add some more material, then divide the loop period to perhaps 8 sec, etc. etc. JamMen, can you do this? One of many reasons the 'Plex is more an instrument than an effects device. David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:14:03 -0600 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: Loop Length Message-ID: <01bd01b1$f34582a0$1b3163d1@user.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello David, et al. Would you mind giving explicit, sequetial steps in actually doing this so that another might try it? I'm standing here staring at the front panel of the EDP with my guitar in hand... Anyone else with some very specific guidelines for doing something cool on the EDP? I'll save the posts for future requests. Thanks, Technoslow, Randy Jones Randy -----Original Message----- From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Loop Length >>>I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times >>when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. >> >>I concur with this. I think the main reason for updating to 32 secs wasn't >>sor 32-sec loops, but to allow me to do shorter loops without fear of >>running out of time. >> >>Michael > >With the Oberheim Echoplex, I like to set up a 1 sec loop, record a bit and >then multiply it out to maybe 16 sec, add some more material, then divide >the loop period to perhaps 8 sec, etc. etc. JamMen, can you do this? One >of many reasons the 'Plex is more an instrument than an effects device. > >David > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 05:07:52 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word Message-ID: <199712060507_MC2-2AF5-C558@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >When the cd is made, each partner gets some smaller number >of free cds than has been proposed so far, and the rest >are sold from a single vendor. yeah, sounds good. I don't need 30 copies of a CD which carries one of my pieces, 5 or 10 copies would be really ok for me. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:19:28 EST From: PMimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MetaSynth Message-ID: <6c2f097c.3489a543@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just downloaded a demo of MetaSynth at <>. While I don't know squat about synths this looks (sounds) like it could be, not only usefull but, also lots of fun. - Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:29:45 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word and contracts Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi John- first, would you mind trying to quote the things you are replying to? sometimes I have a hard time figuring it out since I deal with pretty large amounts of email.... At 10:01 AM -0500 12/6/97, ANET wrote: >Kim; >I'm not a business major, but basically there are different types of business >partnerships. One is known as an S-Corp. where people get together and sign >some papers which state they are now in business as whatever. It requires a >filing >at the state level and identifies the people and assumed business name. From >there >tax ids and other stuff is required. Sadly, I've had to learn far more about these things than I ever imagined! S-corp would be far to complicated for a simple cd project. Just a general partnership is all that's needed. That way, all income just passes through to the partners and they have to deal with taxes on their own. Easier for international issues as well. much simpler as a whole. thanks for the input....hopefully the folks involved in the cd project are paying some attention to these business aspects? Be good to keep things on the legit side.....I'd help with it more but I'm just too busy right now. So I'll just toss an occasional comment from the sidelines..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 14:39:04 EST From: Fmplautus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDoctOrs Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Loopers: We have been out of the country but now that we are back, we are thrilled at the idea of a compilation CD... Looopers Delight is one intriguing bunch! Here's an idea. Why not ask David Torn, or Robert Fripp or Eno or others with "reputations" in this quirky field to be EDITORS of each CD...not contributors of tracks...but editors of the compilation. This idea is modeled on the way that books like "The Best American Shorty Stories for 19..." are produced. In that series a famous artist/writer is asked to edit (select and organize) a compilation of stories for each volume. For instance Joyce Carol Oates edited the collection one year, making her selection for the volume. Of course there would have to be a pre-selected pool of loops but we could take care of that ourselves and also make sure that people were fairly rotated so that everyone gets his or her shot. Personally the LoOpDoctOrs are more intrigued by what and how David Torn or Robert Fripp might select and edit onto the Loopers Delight CDs then hearing a single contribution of theirs, which actually overshadows or dilutes the creativity and originality that this group represents. In short, we get the brand name association, the creative input and taste of these interesting pioneers, but in a quirky and different way. What do you all think? Best, The LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:16:22 EST From: PJBMHB To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDoctOrs Message-ID: <68164014.348b2e48@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit neat idea!! =-) PJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:46:10 -0500 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Steve Morse and Looping Message-ID: <01bd036a$4b456e20$f3f0ffd0@future-perfect> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw Deep Purple last night in Orlando. Morse did about a 5 minute looping piece featuring volume swells and an arppegiated picking pattern. I believe he used one of his Lexicon delays for this. The loop length was no longer than a few seconds. Dave ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: JSPEEr To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: [phiba-improv] Stick night @ LionFish Dec 13 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi folks, I'm not subscribed at the moment, so I hope this announcement makes it to list distribution. I'm excited about this gig because it's going to be a great night for my looping group with fellow Stick player Paul Mimlitsch. I hope some of you in the area can make it! Please contact me directly at jspeer@haverford.com with quesitons or comments. **Chapman Stick Night at the LionFish Cafe** 614 N. 2nd Street, Philadelphia Info & directions: 215/829-9103 Saturday, December 13, 1997 8:30 pm Admission: $6 3 acts featuring 4 Chapman Stick players, large range of styles will be represented. INVASION OF TIME -- Double stick / looping group, performed at TAG this year. Paul Mimlitsch: Stick & loops Jim Speer: Stick, loops, MIDI Jody Janetta: Percussion GREG HOWARD -- From Charlottesville, VA, Greg is one of the leading solo Stickists playing today. Portions of his many fine recordings can be heard almost daily as snippets between news items on National Public Radio, among other places. Rare Philadelphia appearance. THREE HOUR TOUR -- A new power rock trio, featuring the compositions and arrangements of New Jersey Stick player, Ray Ashley. An odd assortment of cover tunes, from African mbira music to King Crimson. Ray Ashley: Stick Joe D'Andrea: Drums Helene Zisook: Electric violin An informational WWW page has been set up at: http://mars.superlink.net/~rayash/sticknight.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:22:37 -0500 From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop Length Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hello David, et al. > >Would you mind giving explicit, sequetial steps in actually doing this so >that another might try it? I'm standing here staring at the front panel of >the EDP with my guitar in hand... > >Anyone else with some very specific guidelines for doing something cool on >the EDP? I'll save the posts for future requests. > >Thanks, >Technoslow, >Randy Jones > >Randy > -------Reply---------- Randy: No big deal. Record a short sound, then just tap "multiply" until you have X (e.g., 16) number of end-to-end copies. Tap it again to fix the multiply number. Overdub some stuff. Then to divide, tap "multiply" again, and the 'Plex will start counting thru your "segments". This time a second tap can halve your total loop if you tap at X divided by two (e.g., 8), or whatever. In other words, "multiply" can just as easily be "divide". Sometimes I like to alternate even/odd multiply/divide figures successively to mess up the rhythms, or what a trained musician would probably put in terms of time signatures, syncopation, or some such. I just work with sounds. Kim and Matthias will be chuckling at such rudimentary use of this machine. "Multiply" functions are completely covered in the manual. Only mentioned it because I'm curious if the JamMan does this sort of thing.... > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Myers >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 11:36 AM >Subject: Re: Loop Length > >>With the Oberheim Echoplex, I like to set up a 1 sec loop, record a bit and >>then multiply it out to maybe 16 sec, add some more material, then divide >>the loop period to perhaps 8 sec, etc. etc. JamMen, can you do this? One >>of many reasons the 'Plex is more an instrument than an effects device. >> >>David --------------------------------