------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 227 Today's Topics: Re: Loop Length [ Kim Flint ] Vortex Questions [ "Jesse Kudler" ] Re: for sale VORTEX [ Len Seligman ] SIMMS for Plex? [ Ed Drake ] RE: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs [ "Bailey, Jim" ] Vortex Virgin [ djdowling@earthlink.net ] Re: Vortex Virgin [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:04:55 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop Length Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:22 PM -0500 12/7/97, David Myers wrote: >Randy: > >No big deal. Record a short sound, then just tap "multiply" until you have >X (e.g., 16) number of end-to-end copies. Tap it again to fix the multiply >number. Overdub some stuff. Then to divide, tap "multiply" again, and the >'Plex will start counting thru your "segments". This time a second tap can >halve your total loop if you tap at X divided by two (e.g., 8), or >whatever. In other words, "multiply" can just as easily be "divide". >Sometimes I like to alternate even/odd multiply/divide figures successively >to mess up the rhythms, or what a trained musician would probably put in >terms of time signatures, syncopation, or some such. I just work with >sounds. > >Kim and Matthias will be chuckling at such rudimentary use of this machine. >"Multiply" functions are completely covered in the manual. not at all! It is one of the easiest things to do with the echoplex, but also one of the most powerful and musically interesting. And what you are doing with "dividing" the loop is often overlooked. That is also an extremely useful technique. Thanks for the nice explanation. Another very useful function of multiply is in combination with Record. If you have multiply going, and press Record, the loop length will be redefined at that point. So you could take a loop and cut out a shorter chunk, making that the loop, by pressing Multiply and then Record before you reach one loop time. Or you could make it longer by leaving multiply on past one loop period (or more) and pressing Record, getting the whole loop plus some arbitrary amount as the new loop. Multiply-Record and Dividing are great when you work with long loops and use feedback to evolve the loop. Letting feedback act on a long loop takes forever, so you turn feedback down a bit and shorten the loop with multiply or multiply-record. Then with overdub on you can quickly change the character of the loop, and then turn feedback up again, and maybe multiply it out into a longer loop again. >Only mentioned >it because I'm curious if the JamMan does this sort of thing.... no, multiply in real time is unique to the echoplex. You could do it with hard disk recording, but nowhere near as easily. Once you try, it seems so completely natural and obvious. I don't think I could live without a feature like this, and neither could Matthias, obviously! kim >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Myers >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 11:36 AM >>Subject: Re: Loop Length >> >>>With the Oberheim Echoplex, I like to set up a 1 sec loop, record a bit and >>>then multiply it out to maybe 16 sec, add some more material, then divide >>>the loop period to perhaps 8 sec, etc. etc. JamMen, can you do this? One >>>of many reasons the 'Plex is more an instrument than an effects device. >>> >>>David ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:21:07 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Vortex Questions Message-ID: <01bd03a1$7814f7e0$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01BD0377.8F3EEFE0" I've got some questions on the Lexicon Vortex for those who'd like to take a swing at it:   1.  Is there any way to configure an effect so that I can have only my echoes heard and no input signal?  Most of the effects still have the input signal when the Mix level is set at 64.   2.  Is there a compelling reason to use the Vortex with my amp's effects loop as opposed to going from guitar to vortex to amp input?   Thanks in advance for any help.   -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 02:11:39 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Questions Message-Id: <199712080711.AA09259@world.std.com> >Lexicon Vortex >1. Is there any way to configure an effect so that I can have only my = >echoes heard and no input signal? Most of the effects still have the = >input signal when the Mix level is set at 64. Try setting mod fx level to 0 and echo fx level to 64. This gives you what you want on 90% of the effects. The idea of the vortex is that's a "chorusy echo"; mod fx level controls "direct" chorusy sounds, and echo fx level controls the echoes. So if you don't want the "direct" chorusy sounds, turn down mod fx level. Looking at the charts, the exceptions I see: it looks like Atmosphere B is fine as is, and you need mod fx level non-zero to hear echoes. Shadow B can't be configured to give only echoes. Choir B only has echoes in general, and mod fx level selects modulated eches whereas echo fx selects clean echoes. Mosaic B, due to the bug I posted before, probably won't be very interesting with mod fx level at 0. Sean Barrett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 03:28:32 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Vortex Questions Message-ID: <01bd03b3$45092b20$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the help. Before, I mistakenly thought the mod fx level controlled the mix between the wet and dry sounds of the un-delayed portion. I didn't realize it acted as an actual level control. I can pretty much do what I wanted now. Thanks, Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Sean T Barrett To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 2:17 AM Subject: Re: Vortex Questions >>Lexicon Vortex >>1. Is there any way to configure an effect so that I can have only my = >>echoes heard and no input signal? Most of the effects still have the = >>input signal when the Mix level is set at 64. > >Try setting mod fx level to 0 and echo fx level to 64. >This gives you what you want on 90% of the effects. The >idea of the vortex is that's a "chorusy echo"; mod fx level >controls "direct" chorusy sounds, and echo fx level controls >the echoes. So if you don't want the "direct" chorusy sounds, >turn down mod fx level. > >Looking at the charts, the exceptions I see: >it looks like Atmosphere B is fine as is, and you need >mod fx level non-zero to hear echoes. Shadow B >can't be configured to give only echoes. Choir B only >has echoes in general, and mod fx level selects modulated >eches whereas echo fx selects clean echoes. Mosaic B, >due to the bug I posted before, probably won't be very >interesting with mod fx level at 0. > >Sean Barrett > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:54:26 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale Message-Id: <199712081454.JAA09388@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" D. tou ever get that Vortex?--I just picked up an Rds 8000 and am having lots of twisted fun with my boxes Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: vortex? Message-Id: <199712081454.JAA09409@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:51 AM 12/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi! > >I'm new to this list and would like to hear from anyone with experience >with the Lexicon Vortex. I recently sold my two LXP1s and bought two used >Alexs to replace them, but I'm also now considering a Vortex. I play >synth, harmonica and vocals to write songs in my home recording setup. >I've heard it demoed on guitar and it sounds great, but I don't play >guitar. > >Anybody with experience with it on vocals, synth etc.? > >Thanks in advance. > >Dan > > > > > I can't speak professionally being a mere tone drone, but I've been using my recently acquired one for vocals(chanting and throat-singng), jaw harp and didgeridoo and it's the BEE'S KNEES! (hundreds of loopers can't be wrong)--if ti just had more twirly knobs and less of them' NUMBER settings that you had to scroll through (MIDI virgin) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:54:36 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman commodity index/attn Greg H. Message-Id: <199712081454.JAA09429@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just saw another Jammman listed on Harmony this AM--actually had a price (475) instead of "accepting bids" (reputedly the aptly named Rogue Music got over $ 600 for one at auction) Oh yeah, a Boomerang as well--$ 325 new in box Greg, MAKE IT STOP! reissue the silver edition anniversary Jamman (Electro Harmonix is doing it . . . I can hardly wait to see the looks on the faces of those poor bastards apeculating on the "collectable" " $ 800" 16 delays and microsynths when the reissues come out) Oh, Greg while I've got your ear, I sure could use three or four tiny little Jamman case screws (long and short) to replace the ones I , ahem, . . . butchered, doing my 32 sec upgrade I wuv my Jammi drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:43:52 -0800 From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word and contracts Message-Id: <199712081531.HAA00446@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Kim Flint > thanks for the input....hopefully the folks involved in the cd project are > paying some attention to these business aspects? Be good to keep things on Huh? What? Yeah I'm paying attention....and taking notes! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:48:50 -0500 From: Len Seligman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: for sale VORTEX Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971208104850.00726414@dharma.mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:06 PM 12/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >mint with pedal. > >best offer. > >im in chicago Did you sell this? If so, what were the high bids? I'm contemplating selling my Vortex. Thanks a lot, Len Seligman (from DC) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:36:15 -0500 From: Ed Drake To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SIMMS for Plex? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just wondering where the best (ie. cheapest!) place to get SIMMS for the Echoplex these days? I've found one place that has them for $12-13 apiece, but the guy I talked to on the phone said these chips were a rather large size (2 1/2 inches tall) and I'm not sure if they would work in a Plex.They had smaller 30 pins available at $26 each. At another place I was quoted a price of $18 apiece. So far that is the cheapest I've seen, that I'm pretty sure will work in a Plex. Anyway , what is everyone else's experience with this? Ed ------------------------------ Date:Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:34:00 -0500 From: "Bailey, Jim" To: 'looppost' Subject: RE: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs Message-ID: <348C20EA@199.71.37.25> > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [SMTP:MPeters@compuserve.com] > To: Tom Attix > Subject: RE: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs > > Maybe the CD should also carry a number - "Looper's Delight Vol. 1" (or > #2, > if Ray Peck manages to finish our first CD attempt first), making it clear > from the start that there is more to come. Or perhaps call the first one "Loopers Delight," the second one "Loopers Delight," the third one "Loopers Delight"... :-} . (Hmm, why did the name Peter Gabriel just come to mind?). Slightly more seriously, though, if the type size started out large - say 30 point - and got gradually smaller with each issue...? Naw, not really, but it seemed funny at the time. Jim Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:06:55 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Fmplautus' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDoctOrs Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A5A@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain Very groovy idea! -----Original Message----- From: Fmplautus [SMTP:Fmplautus@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 1997 2:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDoctOrs Hi Loopers: Here's an idea. Why not ask David Torn, or Robert Fripp or Eno or others with "reputations" in this quirky field to be EDITORS of each CD...not contributors of tracks...but editors of the compilation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:58:23 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SIMMS for Plex? Message-Id: <199712081858.NAA09699@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:36 AM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >Just wondering where the best (ie. cheapest!) place to get SIMMS for the >Echoplex these days? I've found one place that has them for $12-13 apiece, >but the guy I talked to on the phone said these chips were a rather large >size (2 1/2 inches tall) and I'm not sure if they would work in a Plex.They >had smaller 30 pins available at $26 each. At another place I was quoted a >price of $18 apiece. So far that is the cheapest I've seen, that I'm pretty >sure will work in a Plex. Anyway , what is everyone else's experience with >this? > >Ed > > > > > Dont' know about a "plex" but I (and a number of others) got my ZIP's for my Jammmi from VisioSoft (800.735.2633) for SIGNIFICANTLY less than other sources . . . might check for your box Incidentally best is not cheapest, but Dave T., "badman" Malhomme and myself have had good luck with these guys--shipped promptly, knowledgable and cheap. drone on~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:11:23 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale Message-ID: <348C465B.517@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, I got the Vortex last week.I've been so busy that I haven't had much time to play with it. Have you got your Vortex going yet? If so, maybe you can help me out. While running throught he presets I was not blown away by what I heard. The booklet suggests that I would hear some dramatic thigs on certaion patches , however, many are doing very little at the moment. I attribute this to the fact that the presets can be altered, and as it's a used unit, I imagine they have been changed. This is my dilema: how do I get a good look at what this thing can do when the basic effects that illustrate its scope have been altered? If your presets are relatively intact I'd be interested in a run down of some parameters. This is a tedious request, but even a few patches would be helpful. Oh, how did your Jman surgery turn out? And whats the new effect you've got like? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:39:31 EST From: ZeplinSoup To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Morse and Looping Message-ID: <6761270.348c45f9@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I saw deep purple in Atlanta on friday and as far as I could tell Steve had about 5 volume pedals that for the most part were either on or off.He would set the loop and then stomp on the volume pedal for the loop volume and then play over that.Actually with knowing what you can do with loops and live improv I was kinda dissappointed -sometimes,he doesnt really listen to what he is playing and plays these annoying pivot type licks that seem just "trown in",not reallly matching his phrasing..-even still he usually is fantastic!.I commented to my friend that this kind of show will be not around much longer as Art will inevatibally become "one" with music...that little loop segment cuold have been cooler.I dont think that he used a jamman just a long delay with feedback control. Reeve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:26:34 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Virgin Message-ID: <348C49E9.8A6@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This will not be a sexy post. Just got my Vortex w/ manual etc. This unit is used and it seems to me that the presets are not intact (big surprise). The manual (and all the buzz from loopers) suggested that I should hear some pretty dramatic things...I don't. Some presets sound like nothing. It is difficult for me to gauge the abilities of this device with no examples. Would anyone be interested in providing parameter info for the presets (or cool reatives) so that I can get a feel for this thing? Also would appreciate comments on setup: where do you place your Vtex? Mixer fx loop, amp fx loop, pre mixer or amp? etc. Thanks Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 13:31:04 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Vortex Virgin Message-Id: <199712081931.LAA05952@scv4.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just got my Vortex w/ manual etc. This unit is used and it seems to me >that the presets are not intact (big surprise). The manual (and all the >buzz from loopers) suggested that I should hear some pretty dramatic >things...I don't. Some presets sound like nothing. It is difficult for >me to gauge the abilities of this device with no examples. Would anyone >be interested in providing parameter info for the presets (or cool >reatives) so that I can get a feel for this thing? >Also would appreciate comments on setup: where do you place your Vtex? >Mixer fx loop, amp fx loop, pre mixer or amp? etc. For my money the coolest Vortex routing is in a mixer, with the mix set to 100% wet, and the dry signal running in parallel. Also, the Vortex is much, much, much cooler in stereo. Especially through headphones. As far guaging the pre-sets, what instrument are you playing? Many of the Vortex effects are very sensitive to input dynamics, so if you're using input signals of relatively constant level (compressed guitar, synth sounds with minimal velocity sensitivity), you may not be getting the complete wow factor. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:17:58 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: , Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale Message-ID: <01bd041e$c23ab800$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That message probably wasn't meant for the list, but I'll reply anyway. The Vortex presets can't be overwritten. Changes can only be saved in the register spots. Perhaps you need to turn the input knob up or maybe your effects sends aren't turned up enough, if that's how you've got it rigged. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale >Tom, >I got the Vortex last week.I've been so busy that I haven't had much >time to play with it. Have you got your Vortex going yet? If so, maybe >you can help me out. While running throught he presets I was not blown >away by what I heard. The booklet suggests that I would hear some >dramatic thigs on certaion patches , however, many are doing very little >at the moment. I attribute this to the fact that the presets can be >altered, and as it's a used unit, I imagine they have been changed. This >is my dilema: how do I get a good look at what this thing can do when >the basic effects that illustrate its scope have been altered? If your >presets are relatively intact I'd be interested in a run down of some >parameters. This is a tedious request, but even a few patches would be >helpful. >Oh, how did your Jman surgery turn out? >And whats the new effect you've got like? >Dave > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Lawrence Schwartz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex w/ headphones Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Recently, my neighbors politely asked me to restrain my explorations of sound. It probably had something to do with my recent acquisition of a Whammy pedal, the expansion of my guitar's range by 2 octaves in each direction, and my newfound ability to annoy dogs and vibrate walls. So, I have been working with headphones for the last couple of days. First, I plugged them into the headphone jack of my amp, but I worried that running the amp without a speaker cabinet plugged in would do it no good. Last night, I tried plugging the phones into the appropriate output of my jamman (my setup: guitar>whammy>volume pedal>Rat>Vortex>Jamman). Hot damn! This was the first time I'd head the Vortex in stereo. Wow! (Yes, I remember our discussions of how the Jamman loops in mono but it passes stereo signals through intact...) I want to emphatically second Travis' suggestion that the cat trying to figure out his new Vortex get some good stereo phones. A lot of patchs that sounded like "chorusy echo" or "echoey chorus" before make a lot more sense and the power of the echo settings is a lot clearer. Polyrhythmic echo settings that sounded like a blur kick ass when one rhythm is on one side & one on the other. Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs. It appears that most small clubs do not run stereo PAs, or don't use the stereo capability of the ones they have. I suppose the only solution is to get a power amp and a couple of cabinets of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and how? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 15:12:43 -0800 From: Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971208151243.00a1f100@global.california.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:45 PM 12/8/97 -0500, Jeff Lawrence Schwartz wrote: >of my jamman (my setup: guitar>whammy>volume pedal>Rat>Vortex>Jamman). I prefer to 'tex my 'plex (Echoplex>Vortex). :) Setup some loops and mod them in real time. >Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs. It appears that >most small clubs do not run stereo PAs, or don't use the stereo capability >of the ones they have. I suppose the only solution is to get a power amp >and a couple of cabinets of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and >how? More than a few people on the list go for full range stereo (not in the hi-fi sense) systems. Myself, I plug in through 2 212 cabinets and a stereo power amp. I was using a mesa 295, but recently started using a 20/20. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 17:05:32 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Message-Id: <199712082306.PAA05720@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs. It appears that >most small clubs do not run stereo PAs, or don't use the stereo capability >of the ones they have. I suppose the only solution is to get a power amp >and a couple of cabinets of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and >how? I play in stereo live, and use a stereo power amp (either a Mesa 20/20 or a 50/50) and two 1x12 EV-loaded Thiele ported cabinets. I space the cabinets apart to emphasize the stereo image. On my solo looping gigs, I put the speakers as far apart as possible, usually 20 feet or so, depending on the room. On those gigs, I don't use a PA, so they audience does get the stereo effect (I monitor through headphones). For my band-oriented guitar playing, I also go in stereo, but the stereo is just for me. Most PA's on the club level are in mono, and soundmen don't want to be bothered with mic'ing two cabinets. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:27:40 +0000 From: babs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Morse and Looping Message-ID: In message <6761270.348c45f9@aol.com>, ZeplinSoup writes >I saw deep purple in Atlanta on friday and as far as I could tell >Steve had about 5 volume pedals that for the most part were either on or >off.He would set the loop and then stomp on the volume pedal for the loop >volume and then play over that.Actually with knowing what you can do with >loops and live improv I was kinda dissappointed -sometimes,he doesnt really >listen to what he is playing and plays these annoying pivot type licks that >seem just "trown in",not reallly matching his phrasing..-even still he usually >is fantastic!.I commented to my friend that this kind of show will be not >around much longer as Art will inevatibally >become "one" with music...that little loop segment cuold have been cooler.I >dont think that he used a jamman just a long delay with feedback control. >Reeve > I'm not a fan but I thought you might be interested in this little snippet from a Morse interview in the Oct' 96 issue of Guitar Shop. "I have a bunch of Ernie Ball volume pedals. There's this one section when I play a little rhythm part and I alternate using either a modified Lexicon PCM 42 with extra memory for the repeat hold or a JamMan. The JamMan works great, as far as putting a loop in of any length. It doesn't allow you to layer the loops as seamlessly from one to another as a regular delay would." Also he says he uses a PCM 41 for short delays and a GSP-21 preset for long delays... Hope that was of some interest... :) -- babs --------------------------------