------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 233 Today's Topics: Re: Fripp - "Sully his hands in comm [ paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, ] Re: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! [ "Mikell D. Nelson" ] Re: UNDO MALFUNCTION ON ECHOPLEX(Is [ Kim Flint ] Re: music links to other loopers exa [ Kim Flint ] Echoplex price [ "Clark Battle" [ Fmplautus ] Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp????? [ John Michael Beard ] Re: Re:N.A.M.M show [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." ] Re: music links to other loopers exa [ Chris Chovit ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:13:33 -0400 From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp - "Sully his hands in commerce" Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain I did not make a statement regarding Fripp to have my nationality called into question rather I was speaking to the entertainment value provided me by Mr. Fripp. Given his ego, I am sure he would find this discourse amusing and be delighted it was occurring. Which is partly my point. By the way, I am a fan of his playing and witnessed myself the League of Gentleman ... yadda yadda ... much more I have sat through and appreciated the plights of much "lesser" artists in an attempt to create an event involving something of their heart, soul and expression and to actually communicate something to the audience. It would have been more honest and frankly more lighthearted of Robert had he admitted that the music was in fact precious and glorified ... but there was nothing lighthearted about it or him whatsoever ... oh, save for the "sully" comment ... I stand corrected. >It's true - Americans really have no concept of irony do they? > >---------- >From: Mark Landman >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? >Date: 13 December 1997 19:12 > >>I saw Fripp last night in Philly ... he never broke a sweat, presented >>himself as some judgemental overlord, and completed the evening by having >a >>mutual masturbatory session with some members of the audience over the >>idiosyncracies of "Crim" factoids. His playing was mediocre and it was >>more commercial than most anything I've heard in the genre ... commercial >>in that he was selling TC Electronic, Eventide, and Roland products >through >>a constant manipulation of them. He announced at the beginning that he >>didn't see the music as "precious" and that people should feel free to do >>what they want ... mill around and talk. It was probably the most >precious >>event I can recall being. His use of loops and high-end gear is notable, >>however there is nothing more flat than an artist who demands an audience >>find something to appreciate in the repeated use of the same motifs, >sounds >>and movement over a protracted period of time and then tell you he is not >>being precious. >> >>It was all art as commerce without substance. To end the evening, he let >>everyone know that, "though he would not sully his hands in commerce", he >>did have Fedx'd in a large supply of CDs that he was selling ... but that >>his assistant would be doing that. >> > >#1 A sense of humor is helpful in determining what appropriate and >unappropriate. I suspect the "Šsully his hands in commerce" comment is >simply that keen British sense of humor some Americans completely miss. > >#2 Looking at several complaints in recent posts (early starting times, >extreme repetition combined with extensive signal processing, encouragement >for the audience to treat the experience as something different that a >"sit-down" concert) paint the picture of someone who is trying to find >better ways of allowing this music to happen. > >Perhaps the typical concert setting, behaviors and time constraints don't >lend themselves to allowing "good loopage" to occur. I know Mr. Fripp >endeavours to present this material in all day installations at churches, >subways, etc. I remember as far back as his appearence at Mabuhay Gardens >(with the old Revox set-up), his comments to the effect that we'd have been >better off bringing pillows and relaxing on the floor to experience >Frippertronics. The emergence of "chill rooms" years later seems to me to >confirmed some small prescience on Mr. Fripps partŠ > >The fact is this is someone who is deeply concerned with trying to balance >the sometimes unbalanceble extremes of art and commerce. Fripp seems to >truly care about making real music happen, instead of presenting a >pre-packaged format of material to promote record sales. > >Even if his opinions make us uncomfortable, or are downright unfathomable >at times, we should be glad to someone who stills cares so deeply about >what he is doing after suffering in the music industry for so many yearsŠ > >Happy Looping- > >Mark > > > >---------- Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:38:14 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! Message-ID: <34930E35.6D3E@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > How come in the last, say 20 years (or 30, etc) computer chips, electronic > components, micro-wiring and soldering technology and technique, plastic, > have all been greatly improved in quality and been slashed in price. > > Every consumer iterm that involves these components has become drastically, > amazingly cheaper, yet vasly higher in quality, than 20 or 30 years back - > clock radios, cassette decks, walkmans, VCRs, computers like the ones we're > all on right now, etc. > > Yet musical gear, effects processors, many synths, tuners, etc all cost AS > MUCH, sometimes MORE than they did years ago. Of course - many exceptions > to the rule.... but in general, c'mon!!!! Two reasons: 1) Prices are set at what the market will bear. If people wouldn't pay the prices asked, the manufacturers would reduce the price or redesign the products. 2) Probably more important is market size. For every digital effects unit sold, there are probably 500 VCR's, 500 stereo systems, and 1000 Walkman devices sold. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were even larger than this. When you order 250,000 of a certain part the cost gets very, very cheap. Hey, I want a $199 effects unit with true bypass and stereo operation that has rich sound and unlimited programmability, but it ain't going to happen. Motley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:40:43 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources Message-ID: <34930EEB.46D6@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Some of the places I found that sell used stuff for cheap include: > > EU Wurlitzer-www.wurlitzer.com > Daddies Junky Music- www.ugbm.com > Thoroughbred Music.-www.tbred-music.com > Lentines-www.lentine.com I'm not so sure about Daddy's. I got their catalog for awhile and everything seemed high to me. Nut Pie Boy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Mikell D. Nelson" cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: > > Some of the places I found that sell used stuff for cheap include: > > > > EU Wurlitzer-www.wurlitzer.com > > Daddies Junky Music- www.ugbm.com > > Thoroughbred Music.-www.tbred-music.com > > Lentines-www.lentine.com > > I'm not so sure about Daddy's. I got their catalog for awhile and > everything seemed high to me. Not only high prices but whenever there's a good deal in their flyers or the website it's always gone. > > Nut Pie Boy > steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:45:36 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: UNDO MALFUNCTION ON ECHOPLEX(Is it broken?, Anyone else have this experience?) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" check the web pages again. You are experiencing a well known old hardware-based thermal problem that is very easy to fix yourself. Here's the link right to the answer: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html#faq5 kim At 12:32 PM -0800 12/13/97, Ian Reid Maxwell wrote: >I own an echoplex. It seems as though my Undo function is broken. It >undoes everything. It seems to >act just as the record function by erasing everything(or I guess recording >an empty loop). If I use a >short press it records, and if I use a long press it resets just like the >record function does. Help!!!!!!! >I'm new at this. Am I doing something wrong? Is it something an upgrade >will fix? > I've read just about everything on the Echoplex web pages. I have >experienced some of the other >bugs in the old software , but I have not found anything discussing the >undo function acting this way > Again Help!!!!!!!!! > > > Ried Maxwell > POWERLOUNGE RECORDS ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:08:31 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music links to other loopers examples, web site Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:02 PM -0500 12/13/97, ANET wrote: >Hey Terry Spaulding; I think you mean Tom..... >Kim sent me a note yesterday stating that he is always looking for volunteers >to the site and a lot of folks are making recommendations to good stuff that >they know about. and if someone wanted to volunteer to compile some of these great recommendations into a nice web page for the site, that would sure be great! The site does have a section called "loopography" which is supposed to be a listing of great loop based music out there to try. The section is suffering from a bit of neglect and needs someone to own and love it. Michael Peters is the editor now, but he already has the big job of the profiles page and can't do everything! I guess even more it needs the rest of us to write up little reviews of our favorite recordings to submit. I'm sure there is gobs of great info that's been posted to the list, someone just needs to mine it out of the archives. It might even break down into two sections, one for classic and influential looping recordings, and one for all the other stuff. Here's the link to the page if you want to check what's there so far: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loopography/Records.html There is also an "artists" section that should be for info about well-known loop artists that people can check out. It has nothing on it all yet and is just crying for a loving sponser..... If you want to check out just how lonely and empty that poor page is, the link is here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/Artists/loopartists.html >I have always thought that get down to local levels really exposes the true >music to be found and I am sure there is more true music out there than what >we hear over the airwaves. > >Wouldn't it be nice to add links to folks that know about this stuff of which >we could sample? > >Just an Idea, I don't think loopers-delight has that yet. It would be an >excellent add-on. well, there is the Profiles section of the website, which is about all of us ordinary folks. There are a lot of people on there now, with descriptions about what they do, how to contact them, influences, instruments/gear they use, recordings available, links to web sites, etc. If you're not on the Profiles page yet, then get you info together and get it in there! Michael Peters takes care of that part of the web site, so you should send it to him. There are instructions on the page for what you need to do, so make sure to read them first! Here's the link to the page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/profiles/Profiles.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:30:38 -0800 From: "Clark Battle" To: Subject: Echoplex price Message-ID: <19971214013031.AAA29985@default> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Im back after a long hiatus having moved from Philly to Seattle. Im itchin' for an Echoplex. However, a dude at a music store looked up the price and said they were like $1200!!! Did the price double in the last year or something? They used to be $550 or so. Is the music store guy just ill informed or has Oberheim actually priced me out of the market? If they are that expensive then maybe i should look for a used Djamn Man. Anyone... Clark Battle BattleAxe! ~ sound tools ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:15:10 EST From: Fmplautus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Message-ID: <61d23ae9.34934f44@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The LoOpDoctOrs find stereo not only possible in small clubs but mandatory. The "sweet spot" is a canard. Sure, there is a set point in any given club where if you did you on axis measurments you might get a true "Blumlein" fill, but you know what...you can be well OFF axis and with our JBL Eon system and several Vortexes wafting, you can hear all kinds of depth, ping pong shots and backhand swirly's that you just won't get in the flat, pointelist world of mono-pa. By the way, when we play we not only have stereo out to the audience via our very mundane PA (no crossovers, but sometimes a bass feed to a mono drum machine amp), but also through the various stage monitors that each one of us use. So you are talking about an interesting array of stereo sources blasting at any number of points in the room. Balanced? Heck no...but then who comes to see the LoOpDoctOrs expecting equilibrium? A little phasey loopy weirdness is much preferable to the monotones, as God understood when he put our two eared, two eyed and nearly hairless species on the planet. All LoOpDoctOr odors, however, emenate in mono. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:20:02 -0600 From: John Michael Beard To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971213092002.00693e24@pop.flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:07 PM 12/13/97 EST, you wrote: > >Am I missing something? > > > yes John Beard www.flash.net/~jbstudio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:56:31 -0800 From: cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Chris Stecker) To: Subject: Is my echoplex dead or what? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all. This is a message for Echoplex tech-spurts. The rest of you can skip on down to the next message. My echoplex (loop 3, v3.2) appears to be dead right now. When I turn it on, the OS version message and total record time show up as before, and everything appears normal. The record LED is lit green, as is the feedback LED. All other LED's are dark. None of the buttons do anything, except for "parameters". I can cycle through the four parameter banks, and when I enter a new bank, I can press one other button (doesn't seem to matter much which one) and read the corresponding parameter's value. Subsequent button presses do not change the value, however, and no other buttons (except "parameters") are functional. Once I loop through all parameter banks, I can press record, at which point the echoplex appears to record for about 0.5 seconds, at which point the "1L" message comes up, as if I'd made a long record press. I've tried several remedies: powering up with various key combinations held (some of which will cause my display to take on an alien appearance, with random segments lit), and replacing the RAM (I've had it at 16MB. I replaced that RAM with the original simms, but experience no change in behavior, beyond a shorter listed record time.) Nothing seems to produce any change. I experienced a short spell of very similar behavior one evening a couple of months ago. However, the echoplex shortly thereafter returned to normal, and I failed to report the bug. This time, it's more persistent (much more). I've called echoplex tech support and left a message. The tech people and I are playing phone tag at this point. Feeling helpless, I thought I would post this message and see if anyone has had experiences like this or knows of something else I might try. If anyone has an email address for Oberheim tech support, I'd like it. This phone thing doesn't work well for me. Thanks, Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu Graduate Student, Psychoacoustics 3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 University of California, Berkeley Berkeley CA 94720-1650 Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall, (510)642-5352 http://ear.berkeley.edu !!Ask me about Space Mesa, Ovenguard Music, Receptacle Culture, and CELL!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:27:05 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is my echoplex dead or what? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:56 PM -0800 12/13/97, Chris Stecker wrote: >Hi all. This is a message for Echoplex tech-spurts. The rest of you can >skip on down to the next message. ready to spurt..... >My echoplex (loop 3, v3.2) appears to be dead right now. When I turn it >on, the OS version message and total record time show up as before, and >everything appears normal. The record LED is lit green, as is the feedback >LED. All other LED's are dark. None of the buttons do anything, except >for "parameters". I can cycle through the four parameter banks, and when I >enter a new bank, I can press one other button (doesn't seem to matter much >which one) and read the corresponding parameter's value. Subsequent button >presses do not change the value, however, and no other buttons (except >"parameters") are functional. Once I loop through all parameter banks, I >can press record, at which point the echoplex appears to record for about >0.5 seconds, at which point the "1L" message comes up, as if I'd made a >long record press. It sounds to me like one of the front panel buttons is getting stuck on somehow. (or footpedal if you have one plugged in.) I just turned one of mine on while holding the Next button down and it pretty much behaved just like you describe. Try all of the buttons and see if any feel like they are sticking. If they are, it might be that the top piece of metal got bent down a little and is pressing against the tops of the switches. That used to happen to me with prototyping the things because I always had the tops on and off and never used the screws, so eventually they'd get bent somehow and interfere with the switches. Or maybe that hole has some little metal spur or dirt got in it or something. If that's not it, then it would be something weird like a bit of metal floating around on the circuit or something. Or maybe some part of the circuit just broke, but that seems a bit unlikely for what you describe. >of something else I might try. If anyone has an email address for Oberheim >tech support, I'd like it. This phone thing doesn't work well for me. Pat Murphy is the dude you want. >3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 If they had a contest for most boring/ugly architecture on campus, Tolman would be a contender. I think the only class I had there was a discussion section of electro-magnetic fields and waves, which may be influencing my opinion.... oh wait another Tolman experience....summer after 8th grade I took a math summer school class at Berkeley, and they would have these optional/fun lunchtime classes as part of the program. I took one where this goofy math teacher from some suburban high school taught us how to break dance. That was in Tolman. In retrospect, completely surreal.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:45:08 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re:N.A.M.M show Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971214144508.3d0fadf6@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kim: >>>Who is going to check the credit status and invoice and collect from every >>>single consumer that calls up to order direct? What will shipping costs be >>>if every unit is sold and shipped to an individual? Who will >>>repair/service the units? >> >>Well, Musician's Friend manage it, and make a profit into the bargain... >>...remove the middleman, take out that profit margin, help starving >>musicians... ;) > >well, Musician's Friend is a middle man, right? Besides, I never thought >their prices were that great, so their profit margin must be larger? or did >you mean Carvin? No, I mean that if Obie sold direct (OK, say if Gibson sold direct) the markup Musician's Friend need to add would no longer be necessary, and we could all play or Tal Farlows through our EDPs and Orange stacks, rather than our Epiphones through our Peaveys. (no disprespect to Epi and Peavey, of course...) ;) >You don't have Guitar Center there, yet? You poor guy. ;-) No, we don't... :( What we do have is just about every guitar shop in the country doing Mail Order, though. You'll find in the UK's Guitarist magazine a _huge_ number of ads. >>> That's what marketing campaigns in magazines and in store clinics and >>> displays are for. > What? you can't get Oasis to stop by? Oh, yeah... "My name's Noel Gallagher, and I'm going to use Epiphone guitars to show you some neat tricks I've learned. OK, number one, this is an E chord..." (thrang thrang thrang....) Now the Spice Girls, that would be different.... :) >>> At a tradeshow it's like this: An important dealer comes >>> up. He's busy, got a lot to do that day, you spend 5-10 minutes discussing >>> the products in the booth with him. He knods, says, "I'll buy 50 of those, >>> 100 of those, let's do the order now." Papers signed, he's gone. >> Is this really not possible over the phone? If they spend so little time >> with the gear and can't touch it anyway, why bother getting them together? > It's the free liquor and big parties with famous people. You get a lot more > sales that way, and its not the same over the phone. Let's put it this way. You say this and expect me not to be jealous??? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 08:47:53 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re Loop Doctors Message-Id: <199712141347.IAA05978@newman.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:15 PM 12/13/97 EST, you wrote: >The LoOpDoctOrs find stereo not only possible in small clubs but mandatory. > SNIP >several Vortexes wafting, you can hear all kinds of depth, ping pong shots and >backhand swirly's that you just won't get in the flat, pointelist world of >mono-pa. SNIP > >Balanced? Heck no...but then who comes to see the LoOpDoctOrs expecting >equilibrium? A little phasey loopy weirdness is much preferable to the >monotones, as God understood when he put our two eared, two eyed and nearly >hairless species on the planet. > >All LoOpDoctOr odors, however, emenate in mono. > >Best, >The LoOpDoctOrs > > > Love your always informative and whimsical posts . . .when I grow up< Iwant to be JUST like you. droneon~Tom PS--I love all of the dessicated, droll technical posts that have enriched my life while depleting my pocketbook as well--you folks are SWEEEEELLLLLLLL (sorry, kind of LOOPY right now . . . oh, no more of those ELECTRIC SNAKES in my Boss flanger . . . SHOO! . . . Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:03:05 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources Message-Id: <199712141403.JAA07688@newman.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 03:02:40 >To: mnelson@dmans.com >From: Tom Lambrecht >Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources > >At 04:40 PM 12/13/97 -0600, you wrote: >>> Some of the places I found that sell used stuff for cheap include: >>> >>> EU Wurlitzer-www.wurlitzer.com >>> Daddies Junky Music- www.ugbm.com >>> Thoroughbred Music.-www.tbred-music.com >>> Lentines-www.lentine.com >> >> I'm not so sure about Daddy's. I got their catalog for awhile and >>everything seemed high to me. >> >>Nut Pie Boy >> >> >> > >Daffy's has some deals--but they don't really exist except in your MIND--picture this--salivating as you log onto their website and spot a Lex Vortex "VG condition" $159---with trembling hands, you punch at the phone, obligingly enter the que for what seems like an eternity and talk to the salesman who informs you that it was snapped up a long time ago--why is it still on their Web site (updated every few days)? ONLY THE GODS KNOW!! And their catalogs are enterttaining to flip through (and free), buttotally useless by the time they thread their way through the Byzantine labyrinth known as 3rd class mail. > >he best way t get the good shit (the really GOOD SH#T) at a reasonable price is to extend your tendrils and gently caress the newsgroups, Harmony Central, etc. There I've said the UNSAYABLE and I hear a chorus of wails and chastisements from the veterans who have been reaping the evil rewards of buying used gear from the ORIGINAL user (gasp) for years. > >well, now I'll pull my hood over my head and ostracised, retreat from polite society. > >drone oN~~~~~~~~~~~Tom > >PS--try adding a little of green Argentine mate' to your morning tea--it's GOOD for the mind. > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:36:33 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? Message-ID: <3493FD01.2295@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ANET wrote: > My feelings on Fripp at the moment are not good, and now he stops when a flash > goes off? What a luxury, play music for a living and have an attitude as > well. I know, paparazzi are everywhere right? > > Am I missing something? Perhaps you are missing something. I agree with Fripp's stance on photography of performance not because I am a "devoted fan" but because I am a theatrical director, producer and sometimes actor. It is understood that flash photography is not allowed during plays and other such performances but somehow this rule of respect for the performer(s) and audience does not translate to musical performance. Why should this be so? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:36:26 EST From: PJBMHB To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i would not really say that daddy's has cheap used stuff. their prices are usually on the high side and you have to haggle a lot with them. =-) PJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:28:07 -0800 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music links to other loopers examples, web site Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/Artists/loopartists.html > I am in the process of completing a CGI-based page for the Loopers of the World section, which will allow users to create, edit and delete their pages, as well as to create links to other web sites. Hopefully this will inspire new additions to the section. I am trying to finish this before Friday, so please wait until then to attempt to post any new profiles. Thanks. chris --------------------------------