------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 235 Today's Topics: RE: Fripp, making friends in the aud [ "Ott, John" ] Re: Re: Long improvs [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: test [ MEHDI@ms.com ] Re: Boss Sampler s-202 [ MEHDI@ms.com ] RE: Who's going to NAMM? [ "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" ------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 235 Today's Topics: RE: Fripp, making friends in the aud [ "Ott, John" < ] Re: Re: Long improvs [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: test [ MEHDI@ms.com ] Re: Boss Sampler s-202 [ MEHDI@ms.com ] RE: Who's going to NAMM? [ "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" < ] Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing I [ floyd@voicenet.com ] JamMan Wanted [ "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Antti_Rintam=E4ki?= ] Re: Echoplex price [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing I [ Tom Spaulding < ] Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing I [ Fmplautus < ] Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing I [ Tom Spaulding < ] Re: Digitech vintage pieces sighted [ "T.W. Hartnett" < ] Re: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Saili [ Fmplautus < ] Re: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Saili [ Tom Spaulding < ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:11:57 -0600 From: "Ott, John" < To: "'loopers delight'" < Subject: RE: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? Message-ID: < On the hidden track of the live League of Gentlemen, it is dozen or so announcements Fripp made at the beginning of each show. Basically saying the they were a "Dance band" and the requirement for being on the Dance floor was motion. Others were invited to watch/listen from the sides and rear of the Dance floor. Fripp said on 12/10 at the Birchmere that he has considered quitting touring and concentrate on running DGM, because of all the hassles of being a touring musician. The "Vampiric" actions of adoring fans is one of his oft quoted reasons. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Cholmodeley [SMTP:andre@monmouth.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 1997 1:15 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? > > ok, i'll weigh in on the frippbash.... though as many do, i love the > man > and his music. he's one of my biggest influences and has written some > of > the sickest stuff - 70s, 80s, 90s!!!! > > but - i like to kick my heroes... this story tho, is about a good > friend.... > > back during the League of Gentlemen tour, Fripp had the concept that > it was > a "dance" band of sorts, so thet booked into places that were dance > halls, > open seatless spaces, etc. He wanted you to DANCE, dammit. > > So my friend , who is an amazing guitarist and fripp-head, got right > to up > the the front of the stage, basically front row, and hung out near > fripp to > enjoy his playing, technique, music. > > But he wasn't dancing. > > After several songs, (and i paraphrase) Fripp leaned forward and > hissed > "why aren't you dancing !? You're being a vampire !!!" This is for > dancing, > stop sucking up my energy !!!" > > So - i think the guy just has a real planned out life (read any liner > notes > of the late 70s early 80s) > > what are ya gonna do?? he's a genius. just a cranky one, that's all. > > peace, andre' Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:winmail.dat (????/----) (00022423) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Long improvs Message-ID: <<971216123833_1573555610@mrin51.mx> <<<<>I've been forcing myself to record 1/2 hour improvs at home, all live, no >overdubs- after the first few hours or so, I really have to strain to come >up with ideas, ...>> This basically what I do all the time with my setup-- alternating playing periods with marathon fx-editing and sound-design sessions, so that I can use new timbres and textures, in new combinations (multiple-output guitar into mixer=MANY possible parallel fx layers) when I switch back to improv/taping. I feel like I'm "dueting" with my processors, learning their interactive options as i play, never sounding the same from one session to the next, because I don't make notes or try to be "precious" even about particularly gorgeous combinations--having the sounds and the performances they inspired on tape is enough. Editing down the hugh piles of tape that accumulate from whole days filled with playing is a pleasant chore that gets put off usually for months on end...and seems to require a totally different part of the brain, not the lizard/wizard/angel part that I'm after during the playing; it's oriented towards finding some way of sharing the results with other ears...but I often get bogged down here, and just go back to more taping, since I prefer listen to the unedited tapes. It reminds me of my days as a painter, stepping back to evaluate/discover next step/find new doors into work in progress--I find I'm always trying to structure my music-making to be more like my experiences as a painter--I simply find sound and time more compelling than color and form at present. The net results in terms of playing new things vs. rehashing old tricks seem to break down into these fairly obvious experiences: during the playing: Old stuff still sounds old; Old stuff sounds fresh, and I'm inspired to extend it into new realms; (most likely) New sounds call forth new playing even if only slightly varied versions of old stuff...but sometimes totally surprising. During playback of tapes: old stuff often sounds good--leads to new practice/composition efforts; New stuff that sounded wonderful at the time may not hold up; (best result) "What WAS that cool thing!?!?"...leads to much analysis, often frustrated, but inevitably, back to more sound design and technical practice, and the start of the spiral/circle... David ------------------------------ Date: Tuesday, 16 December 1997 0:52am ET From: MEHDI@ms.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: test Message-Id: <<199712161754.MAA26001@bkinis.ms.com> test ------------------------------ Date: Tue 16 Dec 1997 01:02 ET From: MEHDI@ms.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boss Sampler s-202 Message-Id: <<199712161804.NAA27462@bkinis.ms.com> Hi All, I've been reading about the above sampler and believe that it may be a good piece of equipment to begin with...I want to learn about sampleing (rap..) and think this might be a good initial investment on learning how to loop muscial notes/tracks in order to create "phat" beats and maybe even songs. Your opinion (or practical experiences) would be appreciated ! ps: do they hold classes in ny for anyone interested in learning how to SAMPLE ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:27:56 -0500 From: "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Who's going to NAMM? Message-Id: <<215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B94BB@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain I'll be in town for the show and interested in getting together. I'll watch the email for the time and location. Bob Sellon Engineer Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Kim Flint[SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 10:39 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? > > At 03:19 PM 12/15/97 +0000, Anton Chovit wrote: > >Kim Flint wrote: > >> > >> The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We > had a > >> little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to > do it > >> again this year? > >> > >> kim > > > > > >Sounds interesting. What did you have in mind? > > > > I was thinking we could agree to meet at some spot for lunch on one of > the > show days. Probably saturday since most people going are likely to be > there > that day. Pretty free form from there...meet in real life, talk about > looping, recommend stuff to check out that we've seen, advice on which > parties to crash, etc. Whatever happens I guess. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:52:41 -0800 From: cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Chris Stecker) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use this technique quite a bit. I'm usually looping electronic (analog synths) or processed speech (samples or a live mic). The music is usually big and noisy, which is fine with me, and one nice way to bring it all down with a real edgy feel is to replace sections of the loop with new, sonorous material. (I prefer silence or a nice soft drone as the new material). On my Ibanez DD200, I turn "hold" on and of with a pedal, and with my echoplex, of course, I use Insert in rpl mode. The insertions are usually quite short, and I time them as randomly as possible. There comes a point where enough of the old loop has been replaced that the remainder re-organizes itself perceptually into a rhythmic sequence of short "spurts" of the original material appearing in silence or from that nice, even drone. Often, one section or another of the new, rhythmic loop will have a better groove than the entire thing, and I'll use multiply-record to nab just that chunk, and then I've got a nice rhythmic beat to build something new upon. When you listen to a voice become a mass of swirling voices, then a giant cloud of noise, and then finally that same sound becomes an electronic beat, it's pretty astounding. That's why it's one of my favorite things to do. (It's also real handy when the rest of the band just doesn't have the same appreciation for your 25-second looping masterpiece, and you need something new for them to groove to.) ___________________________________________________________________________ Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu Graduate Student, Psychoacoustics 3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 University of California, Berkeley Berkeley CA 94720-1650 Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall, (510)642-5352 http://ear.berkeley.edu !!Ask me about Space Mesa, Ovenguard Music, Receptacle Culture, and CELL!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:39:57 +0100 From: "nicomonguzzi" < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ciao >> > >I was thinking we could agree to meet at some spot for lunch on one of the >show days. Probably saturday since most people going are likely to be there >that day. Pretty free form from there...meet in real life, talk about >looping, recommend stuff to check out that we've seen, advice on which >parties to crash, etc. Whatever happens I guess. > >kim obviously i can't come to the namm, but i will probably go to the frankfurt musik messe in march. i hope you can write a nice report of the namm show (and of the loopers convention) as soon as you come back. thanks ciao nicos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:16:41 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" < To: < Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Message-ID: <<01bd0ad4$de99ae40$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, your method. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Chris Stecker < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com < Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 3:55 AM Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops >I use this technique quite a bit. I'm usually looping electronic (analog >synths) or processed speech (samples or a live mic). The music is usually >big and noisy, which is fine with me, and one nice way to bring it all down >with a real edgy feel is to replace sections of the loop with new, sonorous >material. (I prefer silence or a nice soft drone as the new material). On >my Ibanez DD200, I turn "hold" on and of with a pedal, and with my >echoplex, of course, I use Insert in rpl mode. The insertions are usually >quite short, and I time them as randomly as possible. There comes a point >where enough of the old loop has been replaced that the remainder >re-organizes itself perceptually into a rhythmic sequence of short "spurts" >of the original material appearing in silence or from that nice, even >drone. Often, one section or another of the new, rhythmic loop will have a >better groove than the entire thing, and I'll use multiply-record to nab >just that chunk, and then I've got a nice rhythmic beat to build something >new upon. When you listen to a voice become a mass of swirling voices, >then a giant cloud of noise, and then finally that same sound becomes an >electronic beat, it's pretty astounding. That's why it's one of my >favorite things to do. (It's also real handy when the rest of the band >just doesn't have the same appreciation for your 25-second looping >masterpiece, and you need something new for them to groove to.) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >Chris Stecker > >cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu > >Graduate Student, Psychoacoustics >3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 >University of California, Berkeley >Berkeley CA 94720-1650 > >Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall, (510)642-5352 http://ear.berkeley.edu > >!!Ask me about Space Mesa, Ovenguard Music, Receptacle Culture, and CELL!! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:06:32 -0500 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' < Subject: Arcane Device Message-ID: <<01BD0AB1.ECFAF200@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is anyone hip to Arcane Device? >From what I can ascertain, the band consisted of one person, David Myers. He used a bank of digital delays as sound sources and sound modifiers. I have his CD, Trout, and it is very droney. Apparently he stopped recording a couple of years ago. We're always talking about looping guitar, synth, percussion, etc., but no one has every mentioned using a looper as a sound source. Does anyone know how this can be done? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware ------------------------------ Date: Tue 16 Dec 1997 20:19 ET From: MEHDI@ms.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: lists@slip.net Subject: Re: Boss Sampler s-202 DR.sampler Message-Id: <<199712171320.IAA23773@bkinis.ms.com> Hi All, I've been reading about the above sampler and believe that it may be a good piece of equipment to begin with...I want to learn about sampleing (rap..) and think this might be a good initial investment on learning how to loop muscial notes/tracks in order to create "phat" beats and maybe even songs. Your opinion (or practical experiences) would be appreciated ! ps: do they hold classes in ny for anyone interested in learning how to SAMPLE ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech vintage pieces sighted Message-Id: <<199712171435.JAA07647@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PDS 2000 (2 sec delay pedal--flanger) $80 RDS 8000 (the famous time machine--love mine) $ 300 a litttle high I htink Steuart 310 558 8311 liebigsa@maritz.com Saw a $ 200 Jamman (e-mailed, but no response) and a $ 150 Vortex as well, not to mention a whole slew of "WTB: Jamman" 's , but unless the gods take pity: drone on~~~TOm Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:49:44 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: kpaul@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com, rackers@gibson.com Subject: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-Id: <<97Dec17.084928cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Beleaguered Brethren (and Sistren)- The first batch of 30 Echoplexes has arrived in NashVegas and are being tested, tweaked and boxed and will ship by this Friday. I am not sure which Dealer is first in line, but this should cover at least half of the confirmed backorders that we have in hand. My guess is that Banana's at Large has had the oldest backorders and will therefore be first to receive a shipment. Call Rick and tell him you are ready to pick your order up!!! Thanks for your limitless patience, more EDP's are coming soon. All props to Kim Flint for his invaluable help and kudos to the trained personnel of OB-ville. Fall on your knees, Oh hear the angels looping... Tom At 10:32 PM 12/15/97 -0600, you wrote: >CAN YOU STILL BUY THE OBERHEIM ECHOPLEX DIGITAL PRO? > >WHERE IS IT AVAILABLE? (I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ONE FOR AGES) > >THANKS, > >SCOTT. >METAPHOR@EARTHLINK.NET > > > ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 1997 17:29:53 -0000 From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-ID: <<19971217172953.8224.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> ... and how about the PROMs for the folks who have ordered upgrades? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:36:42 +0200 From: "Antti Rintamäki" < To: < Subject: JamMan Wanted Message-ID: <<007101bd0b12$5707fca0$e623d3c2@Studio.kpnet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT !!!!! Wanted !!!!! JamMan with extra memory !!!!! Wanted !!!!! Contact via e-mail.... Antti Rintamäki Studio Soiva Kivi Folk Arts Centre Kaustinen - Finland ajr@kaustinen.kpnet.fi http://www.lesti.kpnet.fi/kaustinen/studio.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:43:26 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex price Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I've been checking around - I emailed oberheim & the list price for one with >4meg is $869 + shipping/tax/whatever. So I'd say the store is either gold- >plating them first or gold-digging the customers. >Still, that leaves you plenty of room to haggle, or to try somewhere that >sells below list. Its probably cheaper to buy with little memory and upgrade with cheap simms, even used ones. Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:21:41 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-Id: <<97Dec17.122121cst.26895@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Soon, very soon. At 11:29 AM 12/17/97 -0600, you wrote: >... and how about the PROMs for the folks who have ordered upgrades? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:00:12 EST From: Fmplautus < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-ID: < Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Tom: The LoOpDoctOrs saw your post and now wonder if this means that our long lost fifty bucks that we sent to Oberhiem several months ago for the software upgrade might indeed be redeemed by the chips in the said Gibson manger? In otherwords, will you send the software upgrade chips soon? On another less pleasing note. Our beloved Echoplex started to go south at the last gig. We are perplexed. It has developed a nasty distortion...all functions work fine, but there is now a tonal yowl where it should be clean. We are going to change the input resistors, which we modded according to Kim's article on Looper's delight and which had helped enormously with clipping problems. We did add memory a couple of months ago. But except for the input resistor change as advised by Loopers Delight, our 'plex is stock. Any words of wisdom as to why a 'Plex will start to distort? and if we can't fix it ourselves, what do you suggest at this point as far as sending it in for repair? Best, the LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:30:19 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-Id: <<97Dec17.133004cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Dear Doctors- The LoOpDoctOrs saw your post and now wonder if this means that our long lost >fifty bucks that we sent to Oberhiem several months ago for the software >upgrade might indeed be redeemed by the chips in the said Gibson manger? Long deposited, perhaps, but long lost - never!! >In otherwords, will you send the software upgrade chips soon? Yes, yes, very, very soon Precious. We swears it! I expect we will begin to honor all requests within the next 10 days, provided that all payments of gold, frankincense and myrrh clear the moneylenders. >On another less pleasing note. Our beloved Echoplex started to go south at >the last gig. Perhaps it is headed towards Nashville! We could use some! ;) We are perplexed. It has developed a nasty distortion...all >functions work fine, but there is now a tonal yowl where it should be clean. Tonal Yowl...wasn't she on Baywatch? >Any words of wisdom as to why a 'Plex will start to distort? and if we can't >fix it ourselves, what do you suggest at this point as far as sending it in >for repair? Kim may be able to help with a fix-it-yourself trick, but if it requires a room at the inn, our stable staff (yuk, yuk) is prepared to fix-or-replace it posthaste. Ship it To: Oberheim 1818 Elm Hill Pike Nashville, TN 37210 Attn: Richard Akers, Service Department Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 10:52:01 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" < To: "Looper's Delight" < Subject: Re: Digitech vintage pieces sighted Message-Id: <<199712171652.IAA10756@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >PDS 2000 (2 sec delay pedal--flanger) $80 >RDS 8000 (the famous time machine--love mine) $ 300 a litttle high I htink > >Steuart 310 558 8311 liebigsa@maritz.com > >Saw a $ 200 Jamman (e-mailed, but no response) and a $ 150 Vortex as well, >not to mention a whole slew of "WTB: Jamman" 's , but unless the gods take >pity: I heard from this guy last week, at the time he had TWO RDS 8000's, but wanted $310 each. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:29:48 EST From: Fmplautus < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-ID: <<16d0b930.3498606f@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Tom: You have made the LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:32:57 EST From: Fmplautus < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-ID: <<34be1419.3498612b@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Oops...Sorry Tom and Loopettes...We were in such hysterics over the laugh provided by the shepards and servents of oberheim that our digits convulsed. Anyway, we are thrilled, thrilled to hear that Santa's reindeer are dropping chips over Nashville. Meanwhile we will try to heal our affliced 'plex with more precious thoughts and some of that incense stuff. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:04:34 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-Id: <<97Dec17.180415cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Thanks Tom: > >You have made the LoOpDoctOrs No, the Lo0pDoct0rs have made me, seemingly. --------------------------------