------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 236 Today's Topics: Christmas Gear Wish-List [ David Kirkdorffer ] Re: Arcane Device [ landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) ] Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing I [ Marzzz ] Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing I [ Kim Flint ] Re: Arcane Device [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] Re: replacing parts of loops [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] PMC-10 [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] Re: replacing parts of loops [ Kim Flint ] Re: replacing parts of loops [ Kim Flint ] Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing I [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Sample editor for the Macintosh. [ mark sottilaro ] Re: Boss Sampler s-202 DR.sampler [ Kim Flint ] Re: Boss Sampler s-202 DR.sampler [ "Jesse Kudler" ] Question Re: Looping Microphone [ Drumworker ] Re: PMC-10 [ Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:10:26 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Christmas Gear Wish-List Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F530A64@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain Knowing what a bunch of gear-heads we sometimes have been, I thought you may be interested in these brand new effects. Enjoy! David Kirkdorffer UNDO NEW AND IMPROVED EFFECTS PEDALS FOR MUSICIANS Cry-Baby Wah-Wah: Makes the guitar truly sound like its master. Choruckus: Thickens sounds by adding successive layers of hiss and noise. Ring Modulator: Subtly converts wedding-rings into pinky-rings when in presence of sexy audience members. Trouble-O: Changes the relative volume your instrument so that you can't hear it clearly anymore. De-esser: Gives vintage down-trodden slave effect. Bottle-neck slide: Gives one the ability to play instrument while drinking beer, emphasizing "pro" capabilities. Echo: Takes mundane lyrics and turns them into a Greek tragedy. Nose-gate: Safety-device to keep fans from getting too close to your stage effects. Flannel-ger: Makes instruments sound like 1992-1994. Hammy-bar: Used to help guitarists make difficult transition from success to superstardom. Slap-back delay: Adds/subtracts time needed to yield a complimentary phase. Reverboration: Ominizes weak vocals. Pop-garde: New effect that turns simple little ditties into critically acclaimed hymns-for-a-generation. Dilettante-Delay: Tricks audience from seeing though inadequate musicianship by adding sheen to musician's sound. Grand Funk Equalizer: Makes everyone sound like an American Band. And here are a few from another list I was sent... Time distortion: Makes guitar solos seem longer. Can also be achieved by ineptitude. Blame shifter: Shifts the pitch of mistakes down one octave so that the audience thinks it was the bass player. Depander: Filters out popular cover songs. Overjive: Makes Hootie songs sound like Parliament. Active pickups: Amplifies "signals" sent to attractive audience members. Fluff box: Filters out excessive musical substance. Rehash: Stores and plays back your favorite riffs constantly and forever. Feedback Eliminator: Drowns out "constructive criticism." Band Pass Filter: Eliminates sexual advances between band members. Depressor: Changes any chord to E minor. Paralytic Equalizer: Makes you as good as other guitarists by injecting them with nerve toxins. ### ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:10:38 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In...Really! Message-Id: <97Dec17.181021cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Anyway, we are thrilled, thrilled to hear that Santa's reindeer are dropping >chips over Nashville. Yes, the Big Red One has blessed us this week, and breathes promises of even more next week, the twinkly little elf. > >Meanwhile we will try to heal our affliced 'plex with more precious thoughts >and some of that incense stuff. > While Ma in her kerchief (yikes!) and I in my toupe, settled down for the night for a Long winter's Loop. All the, Tom > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:04:38 -0700 From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Arcane Device Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain Mark Kata wrote; >Is anyone hip to Arcane Device? > >From what I can ascertain, the band consisted of one person, David Myers. >He used a bank of digital delays as sound sources and sound modifiers. > >I have his CD, Trout, and it is very droney. > >Apparently he stopped recording a couple of years ago. > >We're always talking about looping guitar, synth, percussion, etc., but no >one has every mentioned using a looper as a sound source. Does anyone >know how this can be done? > O.K. David, that's your cue to "de-lurk"Š We're fortunate enough to have David on this list, and sure he developed some interesting insights into "drone performance"Š Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:57:31 EST From: Marzzz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tspauldi@gibson.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-ID: <220491b5.349874fe@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/97 9:18:17 AM, you wrote: >The first batch of 30 Echoplexes has arrived in NashVegas and are being >tested, tweaked and boxed and will ship by this Friday. I got a copy of Throughbred Music's catalog in the mail today, with an Echoplex diplayed in all it's glory..... Now, a question: Can an Echoplex be controlled by a Midi Footcontroller (such as a DMC Ground Control), in place of the dedicated Echoplex Foot Controller? Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:41:59 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971218014159.00ce99bc@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:57 PM 12/17/97 EST, Marzzz wrote: >Now, a question: Can an Echoplex be controlled by a Midi Footcontroller (such >as a DMC Ground Control), in place of the dedicated Echoplex Foot Controller? On the Looper's Delight web site, in the echoplex section, is a page called "Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial," which explains most everything about that subject you would likely want to know. http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, and have been quite happy with it. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:48:27 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Arcane Device Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain >Mark Kata wrote; > >>Is anyone hip to Arcane Device? >> >>From what I can ascertain, the band consisted of one person, David Myers. >>He used a bank of digital delays as sound sources and sound modifiers. >> >>I have his CD, Trout, and it is very droney. >> >>Apparently he stopped recording a couple of years ago. >> >>We're always talking about looping guitar, synth, percussion, etc., but no >>one has every mentioned using a looper as a sound source. Does anyone >>know how this can be done? >> > > >O.K. David, that's your cue to "de-lurk"Š > >We're fortunate enough to have David on this list, and sure he developed >some interesting insights into "drone performance"Š > >Mark I also have Trout, and a few other pieces, and I've always wondered how he got some of the sounds. So here's another vote for de-lurking... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:48:32 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and >making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I >sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace >at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, >your method. > >-Jesse > I do this a lot. Often I will lay down a longish droney texture in punch-in loop mode, and then use replace to "drop in" silence and other parts. I find that there's a minimum time that I can hit and release the pedal twice, about a second, which defines the finest granularity of the rhythms. I gather that with the Echoplex, you can assign the pedal to only record while the pedal is depressed, which could decrease the minimum punching time quite a bit. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:40:28 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PMC-10 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 12/17/97 Kim Flint said: >The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC >Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground >control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send >appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which >work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal >recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, >and have been quite happy with it. I also picked up an used PMC-10 for $100, about one year ago upon Kim's reccomendation and I whole heartedly endorse it. I do not use it with an Echoplex, since I do not own one, but I do use it to control three separate Jam Men. Currently I've been working with the Expression Pedal part of this machine to control a Sherman Filterbank. The PMC-10 is deep unit capable of much more than I'm using it for. Porbably why it did not catch on. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:03:52 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971218020352.00d762dc@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:48 PM 12/17/97 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and >>making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I >>sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace >>at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, >>your method. >> >>-Jesse >> >I do this a lot. Often I will lay down a longish droney texture in punch-in >loop mode, and then use replace to "drop in" silence and other parts. I >find that there's a minimum time that I can hit and release the pedal >twice, about a second, which defines the finest granularity of the rhythms. >I gather that with the Echoplex, you can assign the pedal to only record >while the pedal is depressed, which could decrease the minimum punching >time quite a bit. Yes, that's right. You can get extremely short replaces by just lightly tapping the button. You can get some really interesting textures that way. Replacing with silence is one of my favorite techniques, too. The holes in the sound form a rhythm, which is pretty interesting. Another thing I like to do is build a loop that is one chord, and then tap replace in a rhythmic way while playing a different chord. You get brief, jarring chord changes which can be really cool. After you do this for a while, the loop becomes completely mutilated into a different sort of texture althogether. great fun.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:50:06 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971218045006.00cf2f64@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:48 PM 12/17/97 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and >>making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I >>sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace >>at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, >>your method. >> >>-Jesse >> >I do this a lot. Often I will lay down a longish droney texture in punch-in >loop mode, and then use replace to "drop in" silence and other parts. I >find that there's a minimum time that I can hit and release the pedal >twice, about a second, which defines the finest granularity of the rhythms. >I gather that with the Echoplex, you can assign the pedal to only record >while the pedal is depressed, which could decrease the minimum punching >time quite a bit. Yes, that's right. You can get extremely short replaces by just lightly tapping the button. You can get some really interesting textures that way. Replacing with silence is one of my favorite techniques, too. The holes in the sound form a rhythm, which is pretty interesting. Another thing I like to do is build a loop that is one chord, and then tap replace in a rhythmic way while playing a different chord. You get brief, jarring chord changes which can be really cool. After you do this for a while, the loop becomes completely mutilated into a different sort of texture althogether. great fun.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:07:35 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LoOpDoctOrs looking for a loop doctor: >It has developed a nasty distortion...all >functions work fine, but there is now a tonal yowl where it should be clean. >We are going to change the input resistors, which we modded according to Kim's >article on Looper's delight and which had helped enormously with clipping >problems. We did add memory a couple of months ago. But except for the input >resistor change as advised by Loopers Delight, our 'plex is stock. > >Any words of wisdom as to why a 'Plex will start to distort? and if we can't >fix it ourselves, what do you suggest at this point as far as sending it in >for repair? Why dont you describe the kind of pain a bit, like: Only the loop is distorted or even the direct signal? Does it depend on volumes? Does it rather sound like a bad speaker or like a guitar distortion? Does it go away when the loop reduces by feedback? Does it change according to temperature? ... But I do not see why we would discuss that on the list... Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:43:44 -0500 From: mark sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sample editor for the Macintosh. Message-ID: <3498D42E.50A7D7DD@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Looper's and Loopettes, Here's a question that's a little off the looping subject, but not totally. As a die hard Mac user (see previous posts) in the Computer Graphics field, I long for a really, really Pro Sample editor for the Macintosh. I've been using MacroMedia's SoundEdit 16 for a while, and for most Computer Multi-media it's pretty good. Last night I tried to use it for something a bit more taxing, and frankly it sucks. Is there something like Soundforge for the Mac? I've downloaded LiSa, but in my limited time playing with it, it seems more performance oriented. What's the word on the street? -- -- Mark @ ø??? IAMNOTHERE c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:42:32 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971218114232.09f7c3f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kim: >The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC >Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground >control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send >appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which >work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal >recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, >and have been quite happy with it. BTw, plexers, it's possible to configure a Digitech RP1/10/12/20 to send CC messages (I think that's what the EDP uses... whatever) _without_ changing the onboard patch, ie you can mix pedals within a bank to either change onboard patches, or control the EDP, or both. It won't send patch change info without changing patch, so you can't use it to drive your JamMan _and_ gain access to the onboard sounds in a controllable way... Michael (not wishing to start the "JamMan shouldn't use Patch Change" debate or anything!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:15:17 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sample editor for the Macintosh. Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:43 AM -0500 12/18/97, mark sottilaro wrote: >Hey Looper's and Loopettes, > >Here's a question that's a little off the looping subject, but not >totally. As a die hard Mac user (see previous posts) in the Computer >Graphics field, I long for a really, really Pro Sample editor for the >Macintosh. I've been using MacroMedia's SoundEdit 16 for a while, and >for most Computer Multi-media it's pretty good. Last night I tried to >use it for something a bit more taxing, and frankly it sucks. Is there >something like Soundforge for the Mac? I've downloaded LiSa, but in my >limited time playing with it, it seems more performance oriented. >What's the word on the street? Paul posted about this thing called metasynth: >Just downloaded a demo of MetaSynth at <>. While >I don't know squat about synths this looks (sounds) like it could be, not only >usefull but, also lots of fun. - Paul I downloaded it and tried it out. It's very different, but very, very cool. It was done by the guy who wrote some/all of Kai's Power Tools, so as you can imagine its a completely visually oriented synth/sample editor thing. Really quite fun and remarkable, and designing filters with the spraypaint tool was just too much! It might not be the practical thing you're looking for, but try it anyway. Other than that, I haven't been paying attention to that field for a while. Is Digidesign Sound Designer still around? Seemed to be the thing all the sound design people were using last I paid attention. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:12:56 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: lists@slip.net Subject: Re: Boss Sampler s-202 DR.sampler Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:21 AM -0800 12/17/97, MEHDI@ms.com wrote: >Hi All, > >I've been reading about the above sampler and believe that it may be a good >piece of equipment to begin with...I want to learn about sampleing (rap..) >and think this might be a good initial investment on learning how to loop >muscial notes/tracks in order to create "phat" beats and maybe even songs. > >Your opinion (or practical experiences) would be appreciated ! I've never used it, but it looks like it might be a cool (and cheap I guess) thing to start off with if you want to play around with sampling and programming beats. It's got 8 little pads, a mic, some effects, filters, a bpm matching function. It is pretty limited though, so at some point you might want to trade up to a more pro type sampler if you get serious about it. Yamaha makes the SU-10 which I think is similar to the boss, you might want to look at that too. some things to consider about about the Boss (and yamaha): - the sound quality isn't that great, which might not matter for you now but probably will eventually - It doesn't look like there is any way to load samples from another standard source, like your computer. That's not so bad though, because it will probably force you to get your own samples, which will keep your beats from sounding exactly like everyone else. You want to learn about sampling, so that's probably a good thing. It does use some little memory card to save stuff, I imagine Boss supplies a few preloaded with samples. - You probably can't expand the memory - The little memory cards are probably not that cheap. - no sample editing - limited effects and filters These are things you'd find in a more expensive sampler, so it's no surprise the Boss doesn't have them. It's not trying to be fancy. Another thing you might consider is using your computer and some of the cheap software out there. A lot of people use a program called Recycle to take sample beats from the net, chop them up into individual drum samples, and construct their own beats from that using a sequencer or tracker program. Might be cheaper and more powerful if you already have a computer with sound capability. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:47:42 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Boss Sampler s-202 DR.sampler Message-ID: <01bd0baa$bfbe2f60$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On this note, I should recommend Stomper, a free program that lets you make various percussive sounds. It's easy to use and lets you do a lot of stuff. Not sampling of course, but it's a very easy and cool way to generate your own sounds. The URL is http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/mus_info.html It's billed as "a free TR 909." -Jesse >Another thing you might consider is using your computer and some of the >cheap software out there. A lot of people use a program called Recycle to >take sample beats from the net, chop them up into individual drum samples, >and construct their own beats from that using a sequencer or tracker >program. Might be cheaper and more powerful if you already have a computer >with sound capability. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:24:48 EST From: KingsleyD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Message-ID: <61ddfed9.34994e53@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kim & all: I'll be at NAMM, working with Lorenzo at the Klein booth. Count me in on the loopers' lunch... --Kingsley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:38:19 EST From: Drumworker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question Re: Looping Microphone Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm compiling a list of microphones that would be suitable for use when looping with Steel Pan - small condenser, unidirectional - that kind of idea. Is any one familiar with the AudioTechnica #At 4049? Would that be a good choice of mic for this use? Any other suggestions? Thanks all! Paul O. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:02:35 -0800 From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: PMC-10 Message-ID: <00063C68.1264@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I too use a PMC-10 and have found it to crash sometimes unexpectedly. More than once I've been recording with others or performing (only once) and had it dump on me. Ouch!!!! I've had it to Digitech a few times and they've been very helpful but not completely successful. It's been quite awhile since I've had a crash... (Fingers crossed). That said, I've been hoping to see more sturdy units capable of assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as well. This gives you the ability to control several midi module real time controllers with a single pedal. Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is it's architecture like? Is it easy to program? Thanks -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: PMC-10 Author: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) at INTERNET Date: 12/17/97 8:40 PM On 12/17/97 Kim Flint said: >The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC >Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground >control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send >appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which >work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal >recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, >and have been quite happy with it. I also picked up an used PMC-10 for $100, about one year ago upon Kim's reccomendation and I whole heartedly endorse it. I do not use it with an Echoplex, since I do not own one, but I do use it to control three separate Jam Men. Currently I've been working with the Expression Pedal part of this machine to control a Sherman Filterbank. The PMC-10 is deep unit capable of much more than I'm using it for. Porbably why it did not catch on. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** --------------------------------