------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 238 Today's Topics: Re[2]: PMC-10 [ Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) ] Resetting the Vortex? [ Todd Pafford ] How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One [ Tom Spaulding ] Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One [ "Chris Darrow" ] rfc-1 midigator [ Monkici@aol.com ] Re: PMC-10 [ Ed Drake ] ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Messag [ admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail ] ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Messag [ admin_dtt.usa.hub@ccbbn14.dttus.com ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:05:41 -0800 From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Subject: Re[2]: PMC-10 Message-ID: <00065241.1264@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Methinks this might become a situation where the PMC-10 begins appreciating in value slowly... I better start hoarding them now before it becomes another Vortex. It really is a great pedal capable of far more than all other pedals but one. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: PMC-10 Author: Kim Flint at INTERNET Date: 12/19/97 12:06 PM At 12:37 PM -0500 12/19/97, Hogan, Greg (Exchange) wrote: > Miko said and asked:" I've been hoping to see more sturdy units >capable of >> assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the >> ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as >> well. >> This gives you the ability to control several midi module real >> time >> controllers with a single pedal. >> >> Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is >> it's >> architecture like? Is it easy to program?" >> >> There was a lone reply from our kindest forum host which >> stated:"Isn't the Lex pedal only dedicated for the MXP? I didn't think >> it was actually a midi pedal, but I could be wrong." >> >Yes, The MPX R1 does MIDI. It is meant to give you control of all >things MIDI. ah, thanks for correcting me, Greg. Some other questions, in addition to Miko's: - Can the footswitches be programmed to act in a momentary or toggle function? Momentary meaning you press the switch and one midi string is sent, when you let go of the switch, a second midi string is sent. Toggle meaning the first time I press a given switch, it sends one string of midi commands, the second time I press it it sends a second string. The most obvious example of momentary is playing notes or chords on a synth, where press down on the switch sends the note-on and releasing it sends the note off. Toggle is useful for a stomp-box like approach, where you might have one effect assigned to a given switch. So you press that switch and the effect comes on, press again and it turns off. The PMC-10 and Roctron pedals can do these and I find it extremely useful. - Does it have midi in? If so, can it do things like midi merge, midi filtering, etc.? - Can you send all possible midi commands? For example, I want to send note-on, note-off to synths and samplers. I'd also like to send start-song and stop-song messages to sequencers. And for any commands not explicitly available, I'd like to be able to send sysex, or even just directly type in the hex for the midi command. (for example, I'm a long way from needing this, but eventually I would like to use Midi Show Control for lighting and such. If I could spontaneously set the lighting while playing, that would be very cool. I wouldn't expect this in a midi pedal, but if I could type in the hex for it myself that would be fine.) Again, I can do this stuff with the PMC-10. But like Miko, if the pmc starts acting up I'd like to know what else I can get. - how many patches/banks/sets etc can it hold? thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:40:21 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Resetting the Vortex? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks, I recently picked up a Vortex from fellow on the list (Thanks Len :) ) but there seems to be a problem that I was wondering if any of you Vortexians out there could help me out with. To start, I simplly wanted to try out the presets, but ran into a wall. It seems some of the presets aren't where they should be (or just non-existant). The Register/Preset light is off (denoting preset mode), now when I turn the R/P knob to 1, I see and hear 16. There are several others in the following pattern: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 <- knob settings 16 15 6 5 5 6 7 8 8 7 14 13 13 14 15 16 <- settings I get (moving into register mode yields the same sequence) So, what's up here? The effects I do get are correct in that 16 always yields Fractal, 15=Bleen and so on, but I can't get the effects like 1, 2, 3, 10, etc. Is there a way to reset the Vortex to its factory settings? Thanks. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:29:20 +0100 From: Erik Ljones To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Jmman sighted Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971220002920.006956e8@pop.stud.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Rogue Music has another Jammie on their auction site #500429--they're still >>crowing about the $ 611 bid they got for the one (soulless East Coast gear >>vampires) >I'd have to say that if you're willing to pay that sort of money for a >JamMan, you should just buy an Echoplex. I wish I could just buy an Echoplex. I have been wishing that for 8 months. Unfortunately it is impossible to just buy an Echoplex. Hope this will change SOON though, as I am starting to loose my patience. On second thougts I think I already did that several months ago...Anyone have a $600 Jamman for sale? (Don't reply to that one, I'm just being silly.) Later, Erik Ljones ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:01:14 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: kpaul@gibson.com Subject: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One Message-Id: <97Dec19.180058cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Gentle Readers- As I have privately related to various vociferous would-be Echoplex owners, the fine folks at Bananas at Large and Thoroughbred Music were the recipients of the first batch of EDP's from our gleaming new Nashville plant. We are told to expect at least 100 more units within the next 30-45 days, based on estimates from the assembly plants. Exact locations as to where these units will end up are not available at this time, but I would think any retail establishment worth its salt would respond to a plethora of consumer inquiries with a fat order to Oberheim, especially if they had recently received backordered units that satisfied their grumbling masses. Ne c'est pas? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 20:03:34 PST From: "Chris Darrow" To: "Loopers" Subject: Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One: WAIT Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this first come, first serve? In Feb. it will be a year of waiting. I placed my order with a vender very low in the pecking order, and I understand that completely. But I would have led my life differently if I had been given a realistic time frame from the beginning. Every month it's another 4-6 weeks. Last summer I spent who knows how much gas money on my van because I was carrying around way too much equipment, expecting to be mailed the EDPs upon arival. But that's the least of it. These aren't just toys to me, It's what I want to DO. I was waiting to go back to school so I would have lots of time free to study looping. Now when I get them, if I get them, I'll be too intwined in Plan B to give it my full attention. But the worst of it is how my self confidence has wained while waiting. And what do you tell your grandfather before he dies anyway, "Yes Gramps, I really AM doing something worth while switching from instrument to instrument alone in my room and stomping on tape marks on the floor marked "Multiply" and "Undo" and..." Sorry for the tryrate, but what do you expect after nearly a year? What am I to expect? I understand that it was difficult. And the people that read this aren't neccesarly the ones who screwed up. But when can I expect deliver? Honestly? I think Oberheim should throw in the extra simms for full memory at cost or less, personaly. But that's not why I'm writting this, don't get me wrong. I JUST WANT MY PLEXES. Or at least a date I can expect them so I don't fuck myself again. Peace. ---------- > Dear Gentle Readers- > > As I have privately related to various vociferous would-be Echoplex owners, > the fine folks at Bananas at Large and Thoroughbred Music were the > recipients of the first batch of EDP's from our gleaming new Nashville > plant. We are told to expect at least 100 more units within the next 30-45 > days, based on estimates from the assembly plants. Exact locations as to > where these units will end up are not available at this time, but I would > think any retail establishment worth its salt would respond to a plethora > of consumer inquiries with a fat order to Oberheim, especially if they had > recently received backordered units that satisfied their grumbling masses. > Ne c'est pas? > > Tom > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: Monkici@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: rfc-1 midigator Message-ID: <971219235215_1748096162@mrin51.mx> there was a great unit made by lake butler called the midigator. they have gone the way of the dodo, but i have seen many of these units in new condition for a song ($85-125.) i have been using one for years. adrian belew turned me on to them years ago when we toured together. you can send note on/note off, program change (up to 128 commands per pedal per preset, with 128 user programmable presets, five pedals each.)sys-ex messages and they can do lots of things that i haven't scrached the surface of. i use mine to program change effects, do audio path routing ( with FLASH switchers), and trigger samples from my akai s-900. if anyone is interested they can e-mail me directly and i'll tell them where i saw one last. peace, ric hordinski ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 From: Ed Drake To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PMC-10 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" kim said: >You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >looking for though. kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is $999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate it. I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of these. ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up feature wise to these other units? There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, no patch naming. Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for me because it is a desk/table top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways (toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are no longer around and the All Access costs so much? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:39 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882666699@ccbbn21.dttus.com> User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp07.dttus.com by ccbbn21.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:37 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA00032 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:08:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19174 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:09:09 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY12-0004QK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-Id: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 kim said: >You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >looking for though. kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is $999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate it. I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of these. ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up feature wise to these other units? There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, no patch naming. Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for me because it is a desk/table top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways (toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are no longer around and the All Access costs so much? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:15:50 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@ccbbn14.dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882666950@ccbbn14.dttus.com> User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp03.dttus.com by ccbbn14.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:15:48 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp03.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00060 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:13:25 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19423 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:13:58 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY5i-0004oz-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:13:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:39 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882666699@ccbbn21.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"vvr2fD.A.DQE.sBFn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:13:54 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp07.dttus.com by ccbbn21.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:37 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA00032 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:08:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19174 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:09:09 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY12-0004QK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-Id: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 kim said: >You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >looking for though. kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is $999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate it. I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of these. ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up feature wise to these other units? There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, no patch naming. Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for me because it is a desk/table top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways (toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are no longer around and the All Access costs so much? Ed --------------------------------