------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 273 Today's Topics: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Messag [ admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail ] Re: PMC-10 [ Kim Flint ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! 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Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:34:27 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp03.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00035 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:31:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA27792 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:32:29 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaFk-0002V2-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:30:37 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882675037@ccbbn3.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"kEcKrD.A.cCC.qDHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2013 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn3.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:30:34 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp01.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00026 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:30:12 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA27572 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:28:38 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaC1-000282-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:33 -0800 Message-Id: <19971221012455.28941.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-Ip: [209.17.137.83] From: "Gambaude Palliard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Robert Rich/Amoeba Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:24:54 PST Resent-Message-Id: <"wb1Ci.A.uwB.jAHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:33 -0800 Hi all, Robert Rich's name doesn't seem to come up very often on this list, however many must be familiar with his solo or collaborative works (with Steve Roach and others) and know that his music is very loop-based (a spring 97 issue of Keyboard, I believe, had a little feature on him, & mentioned use of several Jamdudes). I have a copy of his 1997 cd Watchful for sale. Please e-mail me personally if you're interested. Some info on the cd follows. happy looping, Gam On Watchful, Amoeba presents a cinematic 48-minute document of corrupted memories, recurring dreams, and personal crises in extreme close-up. Watchful is a strange trip along a very twisted path. The tracks: Inside It's a big world out there, and you're keeping a copy of it in your head FYI. Opening with simple hand drum and guitar, Inside explodes into a panorama of swirling guitars and Djimbes. Skin Where do you end and the rest of the world begin? Rich dwells psychotic over the "fragile line between blood and air." Hans Christian's cello adds a smooth and unsettling film over Davies' guitar pulse. Out there. Origami Instrumental featuring Davies on slow-motion guitar and Rich on alien woodwinds. Can't Find My Feet (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) The wind blows so hard that a simple walk up the block ignites an identity crisis. Stark voices by Ivy Barry set against on Rich's wind-blown vocals sends a shiver down your spine. Guitars and cellos swarm, rinse, and hang dry. Ignoring Gravity Is lucid dreaming the favorite pasttime of the collective unconscious majority? Dunno, but courtesy of Rich, this vessel is more than just a nice place to visit. Don Swanson (of L.A. art-rock ensemble The Telling) brings the snare and cymbals. Water Vapor The blue sky has become a pool reflecting the ceiling of a cold, damp cave. Rich supplies a courteous warning on lap steel. Desolation W.S. Burroughs once said "Thou shalt not be such a shit you don't even know you are one." Rich's vocals and Davies' guitars take it personally, and lacerate in unison. A new all-time low. Big Clouds Squelching voices dance and play as the storm subsides amid bursts of drums and blasts from within the pan pipes. Saragossa (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) Inspired by, among other things, the film, The Saragossa Manuscript. Pull on a single strand and the whole damn sweater unravels. Any Other Sky Catatonia in Catalunia. One minute you're on the east coast, the next on the west. You wake up to discover your address book has been out of date for 20 years. Splendid rhythms from Davies and Swanson and sax pedal tones from Scott Wright tune your head to receive Rich's mantra: "Doesn't matter." Watchful The titles role at the end of a 45-minute movie. Overhead power lines rattle. Piano and guitar discuss. Rumbling bass concurs now and then. Assume crash positions. "I've seen the future, and it is slow." - A.Harris, San Francisco 1990 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:55:45 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PMC-10 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 6:12 PM -0500 12/20/97, Ed Drake wrote: >kim said: > >>You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >>most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >>higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >>tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >>looking for though. > >kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is >$999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone yep, they ain't cheap. >I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding >one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one >with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've >done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This >will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of >these. I found one pretty easily, actually. I haven't looked in a while, but I imagine they show up fairly often. For ~$100 and the feature set, I would consider the memory/programmer problems infrequent enough to not worry about them. I've never had the memory problem myself, and you can buy another programmer from Digitech if you need to. I'm not sure how much, but I imagine it's reasonable. >There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, >to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember >downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I >hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, >no patch naming. Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. >Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x >from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an >incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for >me because it is a desk/table >top controller. if you've got loops going, your hands should be free some of the time, right? >It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Really? I'd buy it at that price. Where? I've been seriously thinking about getting a controller like that. Once I had two expression pedals at my feet, I realized I wanted more! A bank of sliders would be perfect. >Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly >most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer >being made. I do know people using the PMC-10 successfully for international touring. The pedal itself is really quite rugged. The programmer is the only flimsy part, and you wouldn't have that plugged in while performing. > I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out >as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for >someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe >the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are >no longer around and the All Access costs so much? That's basically it. The only significant market for midi pedals is guitarists, and then only the small number who are willing to do more than plug direct into an amp. ...And most of those only need to send program change to their Digitech rack unit. A lot of that market is stripped further by the pedals with all the multieffects built in, like Zoom and DOD have been doing well with. The few players who need something more sophisticated probably have a larger amount of gear and a correspondingly larger budget, and will demand something with very high quality, which appears to be the AllAccess. I think that's why the cheap, sophisticated pedals wound up succombing to the cheaper, unsophisticated pedals. I think if someone were to make put out another midi pedal now, it would either be something cheap and straightforward to compete with the DMC ground control, or something more expensive and powerful to compete with the AllAccess. The best pedals were being made several years ago; getting one used is definitely the best deal. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------------------------